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Some great videos from Bhai Dharamjit Singh on their YouTube channel. Although the recent ones have been heavily edited so they are not too revealing. Would be great to have regular sangat with Gurmukhs like these. Damn shame he is in India as he comes across as someone who really wants to share and help others on their journey. He doesn't hold back in the gyan he reveals which is very rare to find. When you do sangat these days you will find that most reveal snippits of information and never the whole thing. You have to put the pieces together yourself after listening to various sources all from the same group. 

@harsharan000. Thank you for answering. so glad to be here where I could post questions and read other posts or articles to get answers.

Being new to this forum and meditation, I am amazed at the knowledge and experience some of the forum members have.  I could hardly sit for 10-15 minutes with lots of distractions in mind, bringing my attention back to meditation/breathing/Simran and then again wandering off in my thoughts.
I know we have different experiences based on family backgrounds, past karamas, hard work we put on in meditation in this life but may I ask saadh sangat, for how long (months, years ) they have been practicing meditation/Waheguru Simran for?
 

@Mooorakh.
Thank you Bhenji. I am always late night owl instead of waking in the morning and doing my studies.  Now, I find it easier to do simran in night after finishing everything.
I would like to do as much as possible simran now , without wasting my life further and looking for gursikh people company too.  My mind is going off other things like facebook, moovies etc and am enjoying spiritual side of life.

@Sat1176, SSA Veer
What time were you doing Simran and Mool Mantar? for how long? how do you carry on while doing other daily duties? Please shed some light to help us. 

Thank you very much bhenji. Really appreciated for giving the names of the forum members, started feeling like family here. 

Thank you very much bhenji. Really appreciated for giving the names of the forum members, started feeling like family here. 

@Mooorakh.
Thank you Bhenji. I am always late night owl instead of waking in the morning and doing my studies.  Now, I find it easier to do simran in night after finishing everything.
I would like to do as much as possible simran now , without wasting my life further and looking for gursikh people company too.  My mind is going off other things like facebook, moovies etc and am enjoying spiritual side of life.

@Sat1176, SSA Veer
What time were you doing Simran and Mool Mantar? for how long? how do you carry on while doing other daily duties? Please shed some light to help us. 

Aurengzeb's wife was in a lot of pain, when she was pregnant. Baba Ram Rai jee (while his stay at Delhi) was requested to relieve her pain. Baba jee brought a container of water and read Sri Japjee Sahib jee over it. Then, that water was given to Aurangzeb's wife and she felt better after that.
Source - Sri Sooraj Prakash Granth
 
Bhul chuk aaf

I found this article on a web, which I am reproducing it as it is, though it appears to be the words of a highly evolved soul, we can learn a lot from it, by getting inspired and understanding the importance of Rom Rom Simran, which is the base line of this article.

Hope you enjoy it......


Namaste dear friends...

I am sharing this gentle and humble practice, yet the most powerful for those who want the love of God and his remembrance all the time.

Also I am sharing it because to my surprise I've found it also to be very self pacing energetically and relieves the person from energetic problems in the head...

It's the zikr of the divine name or constant mantra repetition of a certain deity...

By the constant repetition of the divine name we are always in the presence of our beloved and reminded of him... I can't think of anything else to bring us nearer to our angelic nature...

For angels, as Rumi says... Their oxygen is to repeat the divine name...

Love for God becomes so great when we undertake this practice... We fly on the wings of bhakti... We burn in Ishq... We burn in love for our beloved...

It is rumi who said I burnt and I burnt and I burnt... Well there is nothing sweeter than burning for the sake of our beloved

Now I consider the Indian legacy as my mother and suffism (christian, muslim and jewish) my father... Arab christians, jews and muslims... All use the name of Allah as a translation from english to the word God. And the great name of Allah the beloved is what I use for this practice myself... People may also use the name of Jesus or Yahwa or any form of christian prayer... As per my indian friends.. They may use any mantras they like and which relates to their deity... Lord Shiva, Ganesha, Mother Kali, Krishna ect... The divine name we choose is the one which we really consider as our beloved... It's our highest ideal. Our chosen Ishta.

Concerning the technique, it's very easy and simple and it is the following:

We repeat the divine name inside ourselves at the area from the right side of the physical heart extending to the middle of the chest. We repeat it in the space from within and "not on the surface".

We do so while being involved in whatever activity we're doing. Eating, walking, working ect... But we do so with respect and humbleness... And we do our worship as if we see our beloved and in case we can't we should know that He/She sees us.

As every practice... This one might have it's clunky stage but if we push ourselves into it for the first two days it will become an automatic process and the repetition of the divine name then will happen by itself in our heart... Even when we are talking to others... If we find it hard to repeat the divine name from within... We can repeat it with our tongues at first and gently go down to the heart area afterwards...

If one would like to push this practice even farther and be with the divine name of his beloved... He can do this practice while negating every other thought but the divine name inside his heart and turning away from all thought and just being with the divine name. But we do so gently without fighting.. We just favor the divine name above everything else.

To whomever feels attracted to undertaking this practice I strongly suggest you do so... It's very beautiful and I can't think of anything better than being with our beloved all the times...

Much love to All, may divine grace blesses those who undertake this practice and guides their step.

Peace,
Ananda


Sat Sree Akal.

Thank you very much bhenji. Really appreciated for giving the names of the forum members, started feeling like family here. 

I KNOW HOW IT FEELS I MYSELF WAS BULIED AT SCHOOL I TOOK IT FOR A LONG TIME BUT THEN ONE DAY I FLIPPED AND SHERE CAME OUT DONT KNOW WHAT HAPENED BUT KNOCKED HIM OUT IN ONE LITTLE PUNCH ALL HIS MATES WERE THERE I OFFERED THEM OUT ONE BY ONE BUT NO ONE WANTED TO FIGHT.

I ALSO HAD A FREIND QUITE A BIT YOUNGER HE HAD KESH AND WENT TO A CATHOLIC SCHOOL FOR DAYS ON END HE WAS BULIED UNTIL HIS MUM AND DAD FOUND OUT THEY CUT IS KESH BUT HE DIDNT WANT IT TO HAPPEN HE STILL WANTS TO GROW HIS KESH BACK BUT AS HE ALWAYS SAYS "ONCE YOU BEEN DOWN THE WRONG PATH ITS HARD TO TO TURN AROUND AND COME BACK"

SORRY DID YOU ALL HEAR ABOUT THE SINGH IN 1997 I THINK WHO HANGED HIMSELF BECAUSE HE GOT BULLIED HE WROTE A POEM IT WENT SOMETHING LIKE THIS

The Bully

By Harjit Singh Lakhan

Racist ruffian, low-down scum
Foul mouthed thug do you think its fun
To beet up a kid who's half your size?
Knock his turban and punch his eyes
He gets good grades and it makes you sick
Turban-head's clever and you're so thick.

You push and punch and steal his lunch
You swing your fist his nose goes crunch
Bleeding Paki! Bloody Paki!
Swear a lot then steal his money
Grab his arms - push him to the wall
Punch! Crunch! He takes the fall
Kick! Spit! Watch him crawl
Walk away from his crying call.

Lessons start at the school from hell
Classroom's more like a prison cell
Sitting in his blood stained clothes
Tears in his eyes and a busted nose
Bully boys don't stop their taunting
No teacher saw his daily haunting
No teacher said you're a lion Singh
Be BRAVE, be STRONG but never give in
School bell rings:"Bye-Bye friends I ain't coming to hell again!"

Running home as fast as he can
No one knows his secret plan
Up the stairs for freedom calls
He escapes from his body walls
Free at last from the violence
Hangs himself in deathly silence.

Where he ends we begin
Bullies won't kill another Singh
Unite as CHILDREN make the change
Don't let things stay the same
We want freedom - no more crime
We want freedom all the time
No more Singhs will die this way
Unite as CHILDREN - fight them today!

CHILDREN unite
It's time to fight
The Bully boys
The racist noise
Don't live in dread
Tell the teacher instead
You're not alone
Let your trouble be known

(dedicated to Vijay Singh, aged 13 who hanged himself at home after being bullied at school)


Nanak naam chardi kalaa, tere bhane sarbat ka bhala


I KNOW THE DAY HE HUNG HIMSELF IT WAS HIS SISTERS WEDDING WEEK THEY COME BACK FROM A PARTY OR SOMTHING AND FOUND HIM HANGING FROM THE STAIRS WITH HIS MUMS CHONNE SHES STILL GOT IT BLESS HER SOLE


I AM VERY SORRY FOR THE CAPITAL LETTERS DIDNT REALISE

This is very nice thnx for sharing 

All I'm saying is tinnitus is not Anhad Shabad. Only Radhasoamnis call the tinnitus as Anhad Shabad. Anhad Shabad sound is something that is directly from Sachkhand and can only be heard by those who have a lot of Naam Kamaee. In the starting stages it is best to focus on the Naam Dhuni. Train the mind at Amritvela hours to focus on the Dhuni of Naam Simran. The more Balvaan the mind becomes in focusing one will experience a number of extra ordinary signs. Bandgi Nama by Raghbir Singh Bir is a must read for ones who want to walk on the path of Gurmat Naam Simran.

You start with simran of Gurmantar with your dhyan on the sound of the jaap. When your mind sits and listens and quietens in its flights of thought then with gurus grace you will slowly begin to hear the internal sounds.

Then you stop your jaap and concentrate on the sound coming from within.

:-)

So how does one know which one they are hearing?
Do you see much difference with what was said above to this:
Discourse given by Sant Baba Isher Singh (Rare Wale) where his instructions were as follows with regards to the Anhad Shabad:
Sit in a secluded place and for 2.5 hours, closing eyes and keeping back straight at 90 degrees.
Keep on listening to the sound ringing in both ears and be intoxicated with it. One should hear this sound for 8-10 days.
After that one should direct one's consciousness to on the right ear. An extremely fine and sweet sound sound will begin to be heard from the right ear.
After about 10 days one should withdraw one's consciousness and cease to hear the sounds, ringing in the two ears.
After some effort one would be able to hear a sound from the Agya-chakkar (at the root of the two eyes and the nose). It is the same sound that one used to hear from the right ear.
After concentrating on the Agya chakkar, one should keep on hearing this music for 1 month or 2 and recognize it as the symbol of the Formless God.
Then one should uplift ones consciousness and listen to the music from the point where the eye-brows begin. After practicing for 2-3
months with full concentration one should raise the consciousness to up to the head, to the point where 4 parts of the oranium join which is called the palate. This point is also called the tenth gate.
After practicing this for 3 months one should hear the music from the back of the head, at the point where the backbone (spine) touches the Sukhmana Nadi. One should practice here for 5-6 months.
After this when the seeker becomes full adept, he should concentrate his consciousness on the tip of the nose. At his point he would see strange supra-worldy sights and one acquires carious kinds of power. This practice will take some two years. But there is a supreme need to keep watch on the instructions ordained here. Eager enthusiasm is required beyond limit. Under these activities, one would see different kinds of lights, strange sights of secret worlds and hear strange musical strains.

If I listen to these sounds how will it help me progress?Wouldnt I just be stuck in trying to find the sound and not progress at all?What if it's a play of maya and trying to lure us away from real bhagti?

Simran Stages
In terms of a layman AJAPA JAAP is the spiritual condition of a person when the Simran goes on an auto pilot mode in your Surat and then in Hirdey and so on as explained below. It means that Simran becomes a round the clock thing inside you, Simran doesn’t stop at any moment, it carries on and such a condition comes with Gurkirpa and after a lot of Bhagti Kamai or can also be attained with the Kirpa of a Puran Braham Gyani.  The normal sequence is as follows:
 
1. Jaap with Tounge – Rasna – this happens in Dharam Khand
 
2. Jaap with the breathing – with Swaas – this happens in Gyan Khand and Saram Khand
 
3. Then Naam goes into your mind – Surat, in your thinking, then it becomes Simran from Jaap – this is a very good stage – this happens in Saram Khand and Karam Khand – some people go into Smadhi at this stage.
 
4. The next stage is when Simran goes into Hirdey – this one is even much higher stage when Naam goes into Hirdey – this is where it goes on an automatic mode, this is where the real bhagti starts, one goes into Smadhi and Sun Smadhi– Karam Khand  – this is when you go into Smadhi and the real bhagti starts, your bhagti account is opened in the Dargah.
 
5. The next stage is when Simran travels to the Nabhi, when Nabhi Kamal blossoms – Karam Khand
 
6. The next Stage is when Simran goes into Kundlini – Mooladhaar Chakkar and spine – Karam Khand
 
7. The next stage is when Simran travels through the spine to the brain, and back to Surat where it completes the cycle. This is what the real Mala of Naam is.  When this happens then the Gyan Netter and Dassam Duaar opens and you form a permanent connection with Akal Purakh, you start to get divine knowledge – Braham Gyan. This happens in Sach Khand.  Enjoyment – Anand in Smadhi and Sun Smadhi is beyond description. That is why the Maha Purakhs go into very deep meditation some time for days together. You experience a lot of things during your Smadhi and Sun Smadhi, see a lot of things, it is beyond description what happens and through what you go when you go into deep meditation. This is the stage when all the doors – Bajjar Kapaat are opened and there is a continuous flow of Amrit, body is always full of Amrit.
 
8. The Simran in Smadhi and Sun Smadhi continues until NIRGUN AND SARGUN becomes one, at this point Simran goes into rom-rom – every bit of your body does Naam Simran, your Suksham Dehi becomes as pure as gold, your entire body is filled with Naam Amrit all the time. You become Braham Leen, and  reach Atal Awastha.  These stages are beyond description. Sat Chit Anand Ghar Hamare – Gurmukh Rom Rom Har Dhyae – Nirgun Sargun Nirankaar Sun Smadhi Aap, Apan Kia Nanka Apan Hi Fir Jaap and so on.  One lives in Puran Parkash all the time and listens to Ilahi Kirtan – Anhad Naad Dhunis all the time. It is just incredible experience. This is when one becomes Sat Ram Dass and is directed by the Almighty to serve the Sangat. And this is what your target should be when you have been prompted to move on the Bhagti Marg.
 
Following is the benefit sequence:
 
Jaap with Rasna 1000 times  = Jaap in Swaas one time
Jaap in Swaas 1000 times = Simran in Surat one time
Simran in Surat 1000 times = Simran in Hirdey or elsewhere one time
 
So Simran in Hirdey and beyond is the most rewarding one. Again some people might think we are getting into counting the benefit, and it is correct to say that we should not indulge in counting, but it is just a way to make the Sangat understand that which way and where Simran will bring what kind of rewards.
 
The 1000 numbers signify that the rewards of Simran in Hirdey are much higher than doing Jaap with Rasna. If you do Jaap with Rasna  your Rasna will become pavitter – pious, by doing jaap in along breathing – swass your swass will become pious – pavitter, by doing Simran in mind-Surat-Chit- mind will become pious – pavitter, and that is what you need to do to make your mind pious – pavitter, that is how you will have control on your mind – MAN JEETE JAG JEET – MAN TU JYOT SAROOP HAI and you will be able to rise above Panj Doots – KAAM, KRODH, LOBH, MOH, AHANKAAR AND ALSO ASA, TRISHNA, MANSHA, NINDYA, CHUGLI, BAKHILI, RAJ, JOBAN, DHAN, MAAL, ROOP, RAS, GANDH, THESE THUGS – MENTAL SICKNESSES. 
 
And when Simran goes in to Hirdey – and Simran will go to Hirdey by itself with Gurkirpa only, and so in Chit, Hirdey will become pavitter – pious and a pious Hirdey will become Mahaparupkari and Dana Dina, NIRBHAO, NIRVAIR and so on, it will start to absorb all the vital qualities of Akal Purakh and will become a Puran Sant Hirda, and will achieve JIVAN MUKTI – PARAM PADVI-BRAHAM GYAN. 
 
The true definition of a Sant is not by wearing a chola – outside dress and outside rituals, it is the Hirda that becomes Puran Sachyara – completely truthful and that  – HIRDA IS SANT and when the Naam Rattan goes into Hirdey – jad naam rattn Hirdey vich jad da hai taan Braham Gyan di neev rakhi jandi hai ji, so please try to understand it and put it into your daily lives to get Naam Rattan planted in your Hirdey – then naam goes to Nabhi and spine and so on, and again it happens by itself and with Gurkirpa and not by our own efforts, it will happen only under Hukam.
Again higher state of AMRIT IS NAAM AMRIT and – PRABH KA SIMRAN SABH TE UNCHA – HAR SIMRAN ME AAP NIRANKAARA – KINKA EK JIS JEE BASAVE TAKI MAHIMA GANI NAA AAWE – HAR KE NAAM SAMSR KICHU NAAHIN – TUDH BAAJH KUDO KOOD – EH DHAN SANCHO HOWO BHAGWANT, so please try to make your life cleaner, rise above Panj Doots, kill your desires and don’t indulge in Nindya, rise above all the doubts – Dubidha – Dharam De Bharam – follow the Braham Gyan of Gurbani in your daily lives, become a Puran Sachyara – completely truthful person, serve the truth and achieve your goal of Jivan Mukti.
 
As you continue on this path, and as you make more and more progress by following and living according to Gurbani, and Simran is the most important ingradient over here, and you become more and more Sachyara, your Atmik Awastha will keep on moving upwards through the Five Khands.In Sach Khand you reach Chad Di Kala  – this is a very high stage of spirituality, it is the completeness stage, it comes only after reaching the Atal Awastha, means when the soul is always in the Nirlep Awastha, means can’t be distracted or deviated due to any happening around you, doesn’t bring any doubts and bharams in side you concerning the Gur, Guru and Gurbani, it is the highest stage of bandgi, it is the Puran Braham Gyan Stage, Param Padvi Stage, the Sach Khand Stage, when nothing can break you up from the Gur, Guru and Gurbani, when you have completely won over the maya. The soul becomes a single vision, no worldly sukh or dukh can effect it, no animosity with anybody, no effect of ustat or nindya, always absorbed in Almighty, always doing good to others, no harming or hurting of anybody, win over panj doots, desires and maya. This state of Chad Di Kala comes through Naam.  In Gurbani this is what the Satguru’s prayed to God if it is in God’s Will, that Naam Chad di kala be given to EVERYONE IN THE WHOLE WORLD FOR THEIR UPLIFMENT.  ‘Nanak Naam Chad di kala. Teray Bhanay Sarbatt Da Bhalla.”   When you are this state you also help others to reach it too.  That is a SANT reason for being in this world.

You are welcome.. lemme know if I could be of any help . Cause we have senior abhiyaasi members here on the forum- you can read their posts to get the necessary boost and knowledge and ask them things personally too
Sat veerji, lucky veerji, Bhagat Singh ji, his servant, Tva prasad veerji are major jewels ( pls forgive me if I have forgotten anyone) who can answer your questions then Sajjan thug ji, raganorak, neo and deniro are those quiet ones but ofcourse at Gupt higher levels. .. Dalsingh and chatanga veerji are different level scholars
And me, still nascent ji, jaikara veerji, jageera ji, soulfinder veerji, , sukhpreet, mahanpapi ji, harsharan ji, kaju etc are all walking on these paths on our own journeys at followers level- seeking struggling, searching- holding hands of each other and arguing at times. ((Pls forgive me but that's my personal account of this forum))
Welcome to this world of sangat

Hmm... Such an honest answer...
 
But @Kaur1510
as u r new to Simran this may not work for you. We really have to work aLot - massakat to control our thoughts initially, till our body learns to enter 'sunn', and doing Simran while at work is something that even I can't do yet. Yeah listening to kirtan, japp videos/ audios or just doing chupai Sahib or Japji Sahib while in the kitchen is easy.
As a student, when I was in 6 or 7 grade my mom used to wake me up early to study but all I did was dozing off. In later years I realised that it's more convenient for me to sit at night and study after everone retires to bed, the same works for me still. The sehaj dhun becomes more pargat once it's late and the world around becomes quiet, though everyone talks about Amritvela - I do try to wake up then -alarms etc but honestly I don't know what happens after 10-15 minutes of Simran in Amritvela. I find myself in my rajai all wrapped up a few hours later.
So it's basically your personal thing- Amritvela is when your mind relaxes and get absorbed in the Mighty Lord! Then Amrit literally drips on Rasna ... That will take time ofcourse as that happens once all your 'paap' gets burnt off'. Be positive! Take the initiative - move that first step and feel
Satguru kot paenda aage how laet hai..."

@harsharan000
Thanks for the motivating advice. That's what I do, at work, home whenever wherever, a small dose of Simran is better than waiting for the right time.   
 

my background is from nearby area of Rara Sahib. My mom must had darshan of baba ji many times for sure as my maasi tells me she attended Sant ji's diwans many times.  I always visit rara sahib to pay my respects whenever i visit india.  I must have had darshan of Sant Baba Kishan Singh Ji, i remember once i was very unwell and mum took me to Rara Sahib. I was very young but do remember it was Baba ji sitting on the chair and the sangat was sitting around them on the floor. My mom told Baba ji about me but don't remember exactly what Baba ji said.
 

I would surely try to do meditation simran.  Thanks for supporting.