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lol sikhsangat.com explains everytihing.

like I said, no one said not to thirst, to aim high. the point is to not be consumed by it. If you've made up your mind, what exactly are you asking help for?

if God is at the core of all things how can there be a reality that is not spiritual, I disagree with your duality. I have experienced exactly the opposite of your sentiment. How can a way of life that teaches you to love, tolerate and respect everyone not teach you how to deal with other people. A way which tels you reap what you sow, that you have to work hard to get what you want. I think that you came to Sikhi with a preconceived notion of what it was, ignored the reality of it and wandered around in your mental image of what it is to be a Sikh and growing tired of your delusion are blaming Sikhism rather than yourself. Nowhere are we taught not to participate in society at any level, the only teaching is that you should not let it consume you.

I'm not sure what you want help with. It's pretty much a given that SIkhi saroop will grate with the mainstream society, it has *always* been like that, it's nothing new. I don't want this to be an overly critical or mean post, but if your character didn't improve I can only assume that you didn't read/understand Gurbani; also Sikhi aims to 'wake you up' not send you into a deeper sleep, the point is to wake up to the reality around you and not be affected by it, not to isolate yourself form it. You speak of Sikhism as a requirement to an end, a tool; I see it as a lifestyle dedicated to God and His bhagti, with worldly things being necessary but ultimately unimportant (in a Raja Janak kind of way) and something you should happily be willing to die for rather than give it up (thats the aim anyway). You speak of Sikhism as a physical thing ("religion gets in your way") - the physical aspect of Sikhism is a uniform, and isn't what being a Sikh is all about you must do what keeps your conscience clear, but I dont think you understand what Sikhi is at all.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/bbctwo/programmes/?id=retreat Anyone watch this? Thoughts? Aisha is pretty representative of what is wrong with western Sikhism today. that link is broken, so use this one instead

if you want freedom of religion we have that in pretty much every country in the world outside of the middle east, and india... i don't think its a credible reason for a khalistan sikhism wasnt borne from us, its the other way around, itll take care of itself.

I call bullshit, if we needed it we wouldve got it in the 80s i can see it now, a bunch of neophyte sikhs with no knowledge of their history running around banning things in the name of 'freedom' and we end up with a pos totalitarian country imo the type of people we want as sikhs are people who will be sikhs no matter how badly they are persecuted, like the people who were sikhs when it was punishable by death having a state back a religion is a big mistake, next you'll have the state police the religion; the last thing sikhism needs is central organisation and a bunch of idiots forcefully dictating what is and isn't sikhism a la islam in afhanistan/arabia etc and like some other people said, we cant even run a local Gurudwara without beating each other up, how the heck are we gonna run a country, if we eserved it we wouldve got it in the 80s, of that i have no doubt

also it would only be idol worship if he thought the actual picture was Guru Sahib, he was bowing to the representation of Guru Sahib, not the paper it was printed on.

of course

I dont know much about this in general, but your argument is ludicrous. Just because someone wants to read something else doesn't mean they don't value Guru Sahib. It's not heresy to be curious about other religious texts.

lol its so typical in the UK to find ppl that blame the hindus, GOI and the British for everything like the rest of us are mindless drones with no capacity for individual thought they don't force ppl to become amritdhari, how deeply one is involved is left up to one to decide

this is just ridiculous...the last thing i want to be doing is shouting expletives at a saroop of Guru Teg Bahadur Ji

I would not call it mocking, merely telling us what they really are. We have demons and devte, the path of the gursikh is neither, it is right in the middle, with no discrimination between 'good' and 'evil', we hve to become nirgun, without paap, without gun - something that is only possible through human birth. The hindu gods are devte, in jap ji sahib it says that they can't see waheguru. Maya is, by definition, that which makes you forget waheguru, so they are naturally bewitched by her, it is the natural state of things. Guru Sahib is not saying good things about them, nor is he saying bad things about them. They have their own duties, which is not to bring us naam.

im guessing to stop ppl changing it in future

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why did you quote mloco

ditto

I heard in a Sant Isher Singh recording somewhere online (cant remember where) that 108 (of 108 beads) mala of low avastha Sikh is equal to one mala of Brahmgiani.

this has been discussed before, search

i would say no, because the logic behind vegetarianism in Sikhi has nothing to do with taste, but with the composition of meat - it is composed of all 5 elements and puts greater weight on oneself, which makes bhagti harder. Its like non alcoholic wine - we dont abstain from alcohol because of the taste but because of the effect, non alcoholic wine is basically fruit juice, you can't say that its the same to drink as alcoholic wine.

that has nothing to do with the topic

because no animal was killed in its production, and no you're not eating meat, you're eating soya, which is not rajas food.

I would say that this question misses the point that all the Gurus are roop of Guru Nanak, who is roop of Nirankar etc etc whether or not Guru Gobind Singh Ji inclded their bani is non consequential.

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