Dancing Warrior

It’s a supply and demand business, so much of it goes on India, Indians, religions cults are a hub for it. The people want it, he provides it. This guys just a dip stick the whole incident has just been “bollywood directed†by the Indian media and its so blatantly obvious! They even provide mood music! LOL Mann Singhs been doing this for years he even had a picture of himself in Guru jis dastar and kalgi like the Sobha Singh painting. I didn’t see certain “panthic groups†going bananas back then. This whole regurgitated sorry mess is a direct product of the very sorry state of certain corrupt institutions that surround us and represent us. I cringe at times when I see and hear the response from some of our Sikh representatives have expressed. As for the dera guy he’s just nonsense and an idiot. What do you do when you see dog mess on the side walk? Walk through it or around it?

They forgot to mention the committee faction members, who enjoy the occasional royal rumble!

Guys, an extract below for those who did not know who the great saint was. I would have done it myself but being too fat, ugly and lazy I trusted in the great deliverer of Knowledge The Oracle “Search, Cut and Paste†Lal Shahbaz Qalandar: A great saint By: Noor Mohamed Mathyani Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, a patron saint of Sindhis, was born early in the twelfth century in 1177 in Marwand, now Afghanistan, to a noble Makhdum, sayed Ahmed Kabir, who was a close friend of the King of Tabriz. Lal Shahbaz Qalandar’s real name was Syed Muhammad Usman and his mother was a high-ranking princess. He showed from his infancy signs of a deep spiritual nature. It is said that even when very young he had developed occult powers. He knew Quran by heart at age seven, and at twenty he was initiated into the Qalandar order. The call of the Spirit came to this man who was destined to be the mystic light, the light of Sufism to India and especially to Sind. He had three other friends: Baba Farid Shakar Ganj of Pakpattan [1174-1266]; Jalaluddin Bukhari of Uch- Bahawalpur [1196-1294] and Bahauddin Zakaria of Multan [1170-1267]. They are known to the Sufis as the four great friends, the great pioneers of 13th century Sufi movement. Lal Shahbaz Qalandar and his friends conceived the idea of coming over to India. The King of Baghdad, who loved and revered Lal Shahbaz Qalandar, entreated him not to leave Baghdad; but he, who felt the urge from within, could not see his way to remain, and soon after led his three companions on the holy mission that was to spreads Islam in India. Many are the stories given about their adventurous journey: tradition is resonant with the voice of miracles. It is said that when the party arrived at the Persian Gulf and after they had reached one particular island they could not find a soul. They had to cross to some other place to secure a boat. Lal Shahbaz Qalandar said to his companions: "Depend upon God and enter the stream; but take care, you must have no attachment to the things of the world, otherwise the waters cannot give you a safe passage. Here is my bowl, lay your hands on it and it shall serve us as a boat." The four entered the stream. In the middle of the river the bowl began to sink and the companions along with it. Usman said to them, "One of you has some burden of the world on your person." Actually Bhawaldin, on of the three companions, had carried with himself a gold brick, calculating that it might be of some use on a rainy day. Marwandi ordered him to throw it into the river, and behold! As soon as the brick sant, the bowl came up and the friends safely reached the other side. Lal Shahbaz Qalandar is said to have been challenged on the way by a famous ascetic to bathe in a tub of burning oil. He successfully passed the test. Thus he earned the title of Lal (a ruby) as the ascetic said to him, "Thou are indeed the Lal of Lal (the ruby of rubies)". This meant that Lal Shahbaz Qalandar was real gold having been tested by fire. He received no injury; only his robe turned crimson. It is believed that Lal Shabaz Qalandar was so named because of the red robe he wore all his life, and a story is told of how Lal Shahbaz Qalandar rescued his friend Sheikh Farrid Shakar Ganj by a miracle from a baker's wife’s accusations. The friends, in 1263, arrived in Sind, which included in those days Multan and some other portion of the Punjab, where people begged Lal Shahbaz Qalandar to stay. His three friends went to other lands. He continued journey south, eventually settling down in Sehwan in southern Sindh, where he took up residence in the trunk of a tree on the outskirts of town. Sehwan is located on the right bank of the Indus about 180 miles north of Karachi. Sehwan is famous for its ancient Shiva temple and the remains of Kafir-Qila, a fort reportedly made by Alexander. Lal Shahbaz lived and died in Sehwan. The legend has it that the incumbent fakirs in Sewhan sent him a bowl of milk filled to the brim indicating that the place was already full of faqirs and there was no room for one more. He returned the bowl floating a single flower on the top suggesting by this reply that there was ample room for him, as he would remain among them floating as a flower. His legend spread far and wide by the time of his death in 1274. Thus a sacred flower was planted in the soil of Sind. It is said that 17 leading tribes of Punjab accepted Islam at the hands of Baba Farid. Some of these tribes were Kharals, Dhudhyan, Tobian and also Wattoo, a Rajput tribe. Jalaluddin Bukhari converted the Soomros and Sammas of Sindh while Shahbaz Qalandar had a great following in Multan and Northern Sindh. The shrine around Lal Shahbaz Qalandar tomb, built in 1356, dazzles the eye with its Sindh kashi tiles, mirror work and two gold-plated doors - one donated by the late Shah of Iran, the other by the late Prime Minister Zulfikar Bhutto of Pakistan. The inner sanctum is about 100 yards square with the silver canopied grave in the middle. His annual Urs celebrations are held on the 18 Shahban - the eighth month of the Islamic lunar calendar. It attracts over half a million pilgrims mainly from Sindh and Punjab who flock into Sewhan, a small town of about 30,000. On each morning of the three-day feast, the narrow lanes of Sewhan are packed to capacity as thousands and thousands of pilgrims, fakirs and worshippers make their way to the shrine to commune with the saint. END

With great respect, how can you understand any ones karma? What has Budha Dal got to do with anything? You’re hypothesising but if Indra turned up at any ones door with a view to killing their family that’s different to her trusted bodyguards shooting her when she was clearly not trying to kill them or their families etc. We can never know what crimes she did commit because she never faced a jury, so we can only make assumptions to suit our case of argument to justify the brutality that some are capable of committing.

Freed ji, I would have to agree with you about the Sikhiphobia that the Canadian press has recently been plugging, it could possibly be due to the fact of the out come of the public inquiry linking the bombing of the Air India to Sikh Separatists. However the acquittal of two of the tree charged with the bombing was accepted by certain Sikh groups as a victory and a true reflection of the Canadian judiciary, even though one of the defendants were found guilty for his part in the bombing and sentenced. Now the same Groups claim the government of Canada, US, India constructively and deliberately are out to defame Sikhs and pollute the ideology of Khalistan! Because the public inquiry found against them! Surly if that was the case it made more sense for the dark shadows to imprison all three of the defendants in the criminal trial by hook or crook, would that have not been a better strategy to defame, incriminate Sikhs and khalistan? With the regards to the other political movements and personalities you have raised, yes very true one persons freedom fighter is another persons terrorist. However in the case of the Air India Bombings, the Canadian flight bombing in Japan and the murder of Baljit Kaur these in my opinion are acts of terrorism and should be condemned even though the ones who are responsible take up the persona of being Sikhs of the highest calibre. Niranjana, you make a very valid point “you have made reference to the killing of Indira Gandhi. This is an interesting area of discussion given that we find no historic precedent set by our Gurus or Sikhs for attacking a woman in such a manner...yet those who regard themselves as the best followers of the Guru sing the glories of such acts in their Gurdwaras frequently?” I cannot for the life of me find any justification for the killing of women regardless of any crime they may have been charged with this is the behaviour of the KKK not Sikhs of Nanak. In the case of Baljit Kaur, we can never know if Jarnail Singh ever gave the order to commit such a heinous crime without firm evidence. I have often thought how much in the “know” was he about events that took place and also how much of his ideology actually links in with mindsets of certain groups today. Certain Groups would now explode and say “so what!?, what about the rape and murder of innocent Sikhs by the Indian Army police etc”. What a barbaric mentality setting the bar, the fact that “Yes” they did commit wide scale atrocities but so did the terrorists to me they are all alike just in different uniforms.

My opinion it was an act of barbarism to do such a thing to a woman what ever her crime. Even in a combatant situation killing, mutilating, dishonouring a woman is totally totally unacceptable. But then Two armed guards killing a defenceless women what ever her crime was that acceptable? In my opinion no. Such crimes against women, children and the non combatant are crimes against humanity be it a freedom fighter or an army officer. Depravity is depravity what ever the uniform, what ever the righteous cause. Chatanga I am not neo or sanathan or any such label you may care to define me with, I don’t even believe in religion to me its just a moral code. There is a difference between morality and spirituality. I only consider myself a Sikh just a leaner I cant claim to be any more because I believe in its unlimited capacity it could take life times just the fathom what a Sikh is. So many mechanically rifle through Bani, scripture and history and are most learned I truly believe I don’t even understand the beginnings of Mool Mantra, Ek Onkar, because if I did I would be truly liberated.

Would that be a khalistani Rupee? You had better start saving; it could take you a life time even several, considering the currency holds no legal tender. However the “INDIAN†rupee can be a viable alternative. Err…what’s Satani belief? worshipping Satan? He can’t be all bad; I mean how many wars have been fought in Satan’s name? (Not including lord of the Rings)

Niranjana Ji, It’s pretty obvious mate, if you don’t support the Khalistani ideology, their belief system, their personalities, their whiter than white existence you are automatically pro Indian army, pro Indra Gandi, pro human rights violations, pro rape, pro murder, pro kps gill. If I got a pound every time I’ve been labelled “Anti Panthic, Gandi Lover, Indian ass kisser I could have purchased my own Che Guevara T-shirt and financed a real fight for independence like in the Passport to Pimlico.

You have no idea Oh’ Chubby Wan Kenobi , how much power I hold in my mighty hands………all four of them. :x :evil: But even with all my Tantric powers I am no match for the great Moriarty. :wink:

Furthermore I am open to any “ KellaThore†challenge, but you must provide your own kelle ( please buy organic and without packaging) karma and all that you know! Bandar Shah

I SEE DEAD PEOPLE………honest………..further more I can confirm non of them have a so much as a sausage roll! They are doomed in limbo until they can find a decent KFC……one where the tamil don’t mess your order up……However I have found an ancient ustad who is willing to teach us Darwinists the true Mukthi Liberation by power Maha Bandar Shah penthra. Below is a short clip where I show “who da man†WARNING Javanmard this is me, after seeing this you will shake in those very trendy shoes you have on. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=__7L6ht6_Qg Not for the faint hearted. This is at my best.

Mr Java a man of great talent also produced directed and stared in all three roles at the same time I tell you! Of the epic “Amar Akbar :wink: Anthony 8) ” We are truly in the presence of greatness. A true artist http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RKjC_5oIU7s http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1I-VoACs0o I Johnny English strive to be like you, “ O’ very fitted clothes one” you are truly worth more than the fifty camels they paid you. However in this fairytale romance he plays a Hindu, Muslim and a Christian!!

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Tsingh ji thank you for the info, can you recommend any book houses etc that post out internationally?

I spoke once with a most respected Singh Sahib in discussion about the V/Waheguru Mantra he explained that the mantra had been there during the time of Guru Nanak dev ji perhaps even before. However it was not written or talked about being that sacred, it was only passed down from Guru too disciple in an oral tradition during initiation of Charan Amrit . Can any body shed any light on this? thank you

Guv, Where will this battle that they train for take place?

Take your headphones off it may help

Guv-Ji It must be difficult to carry around a personality like yours, day in day out.

It is pointless to fathom creation and its purpose it is simply beyond our understanding. No religion can understand it explain it. We are unsettled, we don’t even understand ourselves yet we try to explain creations purpose. If one feels it is not enough that they are part of it (creation) and one wants to be with it, be it, that’s different.

When one becomes so inflexible one becomes breakable. Instead of glorifying the piar that bounds us together these people try to alienate the differences. This in my opinion, is only to reinforce ones own bigoted inflexible ideology. It is not enough that one succeeds but others must be wrong and fail as well. The lord is limitless his creation is limitless. Yet these people spend their lives championing and policing their own limits at the expense of others. Chatanga, I see you have Shiva as an avatar. What a contradiction. Let me tell you a story, One day Shiva and Parvati lay in deep intimacy, She turns to speak to Shiva she says “You are spiritual yet you dance, drink, eat flesh, instead of saints you sit with demons, you smear ashes from funeral piers, you eat and drink out of a skull, you don’t even wear clothes!” Even Parvatis Father Duksha had always seen Shiva as unruly, unorthodox and even demonic. Shiva replied “If it is created it is sacred, there is a difference between morality and spirituality. Who defined my actions as evil and unmoral? Only your own limitations” Chatanga, You may want to revise your avatar.

Did all Avatars have physical form? I understand that through the passage of time a lot of them have become symbols and metaphors but were they real in the essence of physical matter as we understand today? Some Sikh scholars do confirm that Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh were indeed real physical personalities. I must confess I have always found them fascinating

Did all Avatars have physical form? I understand that through the passage of time a lot of them have become symbols and metaphors but were they real in the essence of physical matter as we understand today? Some Sikh scholars do confirm that Brahma, Vishnu and Mahesh were indeed real physical personalities. I must confess I have always found them fascinating

“Dancing woarrior you should shut up, your hattred is transparent here.†It is? Funny, I seemed to have missed something. Sorry I have too much ego for me to shut up, Hey I admit it! I’m not really in to that “I’m Daas†all crouching and Hubble nonsense. “You are probably one of those who think nankana sahib should still be in the hands of the mahants who killed raped and killed the pilgrims.†:shock: I missed something again! Err…ok, and I also support the Nazis burning books if it helps you feel any better about me. Ok Chatanga that’s my synopsis out of the way, now perhaps you want to look at yourself. :wink: