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To answer these your questions, let us first see what does the word religion mean.

The word religion, comes from the latin word "religare". Which means, that what unites you to your origin. I

In our case as souls in human form, means to reunite our souls, or merge our souls in Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

Only that jugtee, or practice, which can make possible, that merging in Him, can be undoubtley called religion therefore.

As per the Bani, there is nothing as such which can do so, except only one method, as instructed by our Guru Sahibans.

That method is very simple. But people, because of its simplicity, fail to take it as true. Though they do not voice it out, but there deep in their minds, they refuse to accept it. And from there on, starts "maanmat" .

And there where is maanmat, means, problems, discrepancies, disputes, hatred, hot arguments, killings, suicides are sure to arise and take place.....

You see, our Guru Sahibans are the embodiment of True wisdom or gyan. Their gyan is perfect, there are no mistakes in their statements, because whatever they utter, is because, Wahiguru Himself speaks through them.

That is when the Bani says: Prabh jee baseh, Sadh ke hirdey. Prabh Jee baseh, Sadh kee rasna.

They have given it in written to us, the method by which we can practice religion in the true sense, and become one with Him.

If we read thier Bani or listen to it, in each Ang of it, they constantly mention it again and again....

But we donkeys, do not pay attention to their words, and try to implement our additions and manipulations to their Bani, just to suit our egos ....

So naturally, instead to become nearer and nearer to Wahiguru, we, by our maanmat ways, get farther and farther from Him.... then too we proudly say we are sikhs....shame on us

You see, sikhee is not difficult at all. It is we who have distorted their teachings, and made a false identity for ourselves. That too, when Sikhee, is just for dissolving our ego, become purer and merge in Him. This is sikhee, and is the real purpose of our beloved Guru Sahibans, and all true Bhagats and Gurmukhs, being them from any place or any time; but as Wahiguru, that Supreme power is one, so naturally the method in merging in Him, has to be one.... It can not be, different for diffrent races, castes or creeds, which are all outer layers, and there is no reality in them.

Our true essence is our Soul consciousness, that ray of Jot of Wahiguru.

So naturally, it is that ray of His Jot, which returns and merges back at the end of the day in the Supreme Jot Wahiguru. Our realtion with Him, is like that of a drop with the ocean, like that of a ray with the Sun.... it is a pure spiritual relation, not a bodily one, or a physical one.

So going back to your questions above, no true Gurmukh will ever tell you to stop the relgion or the customs, of the place of your origin. Because all these outer aspects are related to the body, not to the mind or soul.

For example, the robber changes his outward attire, to rob and commit his sins. But we all know, the evil is in the mind, not in the dresses or body, because if it was so, by changing his attire or appearnce, his personality and nature has not changed....


So you see, Guru Sahibans or true Gurmukhs, will never ever tell you to stop your relations with your family, friends or stop practicing the customs of the culture we are born in, neither will they ever engage/ enchain you in new customs or rituals...that is not their purpose.

They just come here to our level, to remind us of our true spiritual nature, and tell us that we as souls, are here as aliens in this creation, our True Father, is Satnam, our True desh,is Sach Khand, and that, all our miseries are due for being away from Him.

They also sing His glories/ Bani, to just kindle His love in our hearts for His Lotus Feet, and generate a genuine longing to go back and merge in Him.

So now here comes the answer to the question of what is true religion.

As we saw above, we cleared it, that religion is to named only to that activity or process, by which a soul, independent of its caste, creed or colour, can merge its soul consciousness in that Super Consciousness, or call it Wahiguru.....

And that jugtee which is repeated again and again in the Bani, by our Guru Sahibans, is His Simran alone.

They have made it very clear for us foolish people, by giving it written for all times and places, be it past, present or future, and their words are eternal, that whosoever follows this their commandment, shall merge and become one with Him, thus fulfill their purpose of human life/birth.

They say: Jin Har japeeya, se Har hoeeya. These are their golden words, which are a Treasure beyond measure ....

And these words mean: He whosoever repeats His Name, shall merge in Him, and become one with Him.


Just give a little thought to these their words and look them again and again, the soul just rejoices and dances in ecstacy, that, that Lord which is Nirankar and Anamee, is realized by this simple techinque , by mugahds, manmukhs, moorakhs, and paapees.... like the most of us are.

All this is nothing, but His utter Grace and Love for us, that He came at our level as Guru Sahibans and Gurmukhs and made Himself available to us, which would be quite impossible otherwise....

Waheguruuuuuuu, Waheguruuuuu.....

Thats pretty bold outrageous statement, its like saying all singhs now days are bunch of cry baby fuddus who lack any juice in their balls to do anything but whine all day on internet board. On many level now days amount of cry baby fuddus singhs are far more greater than bibyan who are malesh.

Dear Saroj Bahl,
this is true what you say.

People do all that you have mentioned, simply because they do not follow Gurmat as per Bani.

The Bani says: there is only one Truth, Wahiguru (Ik Onkar, Satnam). And the way to meet and merge in Him, is through His Simran alone, no other way.

But then too we manmukhs do many many other things which we see them being done since we were born...Nobody stops to see and check if they are acting and behaving as per the very principles of Gurmat .....

So naturally, we have gone astray, and stepped deep in the manmukhta and maya, taking our beliefs as truth, that is why, there is so much hatred and violence.... If only some wadbhageee could read, understand and follow Gurmat truly, believe me, there would be no such abnormal situations....

But unfortunately, as long as this creation goes on, these stupid things will continue to happen. Because this creation is imperfect, and if has to continue, these things will continue happening.

You want to get true happiness and peace? Just step out from this bhavsagar and reach Parbraham, then you will experience these Truths of Love, Mercy and Grace of Wahiguru....

We are foolish people, we did not spare even Guru Sahibans , Mahapurukhs, like Christ or Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj...

And even today we continue abusing such noble and humble souls....foolish human beings.

We are more in love with the jewel boxes(religions), which have no real value by themselves, and are just as good as decorations only, and on the contrary, we ignore the real valuable Jewel of Nam or Shabad within us....

Sat Sree Akal.

I think the easiest way that I came across gurmukh and manmukh being explained was........
GUR-MUKH= Gurus-Mouth(mukh)
So what is uttered and what comes from guru's mouth ?........simply the TRUTH....all Sat..in it's purity.
When someone is Gur-Mukh, then they are living,breathing,following and in full conduct with the words that come from the Guru's Mukh.
In contrast, when someone is MAN-MUKH= Mann's Mouth......... then they are following and living in conduct with what their MANN(Mind) tells them...Man-mukh follows instructions from Mukh(mouth) of the Mann.
And this Mann is hugely influenced by maya and encased in the strangle-hold of Kaal.
Getting out of kaal's desh, then you are within A-kaal,...Akaal purakhs bondaries.....therefore, gone from Man-mukh to Gur-mukh.
Biq question is.... Is it Mann vs Guru or is the Mann bad...some people will ask ?
No, mann is not bad but it's LOST in maya... that's the problem....Mann has forgotten it's source, whereas Guru comes as pure, clean and and as truthful existence from this source.
To add, we continually add more and more dirt on our Mann on a daily basis. The precious jewel or jyot is still there gleaming in it's purity but we have put layer upon layer of dirt on top it.
That's why gurbani says 'Mann tu jyot saroop hai, apna mool paichan''...oh mind, you are the embodiment of jyot, recognize your own source and origin...
This means that we have to work to recognize our own source of the mind.....find that origin... that place is the home...the home of sach-khand, waheguru's darbar,....the nijh mahal..

No,...not quite...
Sikhi is the path of where one is to transform from manmukh to gurmukh isn't it ??
What's this got to do with brahmin?.... and is calling every other non-sikh a giddar, going to keep you on the right path towards gurmukh?

Isn't that simran?

I also recall there was a statement in an extant hukam-nama from Guru Gobind Singh ji for his followers to "Guru Guru jaapna".

ਆਸਾ ਮਹਲਾ ੪ ॥
Raag Asa by Guru Ramdas ji
ਤੂੰ ਕਰਤਾ ਸਚਿਆਰੁ ਮੈਡਾ ਸਾਂਈ ॥
Karta Purakh you are my Swami, my master.
ਜੋ ਤਉ ਭਾਵੈ ਸੋਈ ਥੀਸੀ ਜੋ ਤੂੰ ਦੇਹਿ ਸੋਈ ਹਉ ਪਾਈ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Whatever You please comes to fruition. Whatever You give us we get.
ਸਭ ਤੇਰੀ ਤੂੰ ਸਭਨੀ ਧਿਆਇਆ ॥
Everything belongs to You and everyone meditates on You.
ਜਿਸ ਨੋ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾ ਕਰਹਿ ਤਿਨਿ ਨਾਮ ਰਤਨੁ ਪਾਇਆ ॥
Those whom You bless, find the jewel that is Your name.
ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਲਾਧਾ ਮਨਮੁਖਿ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥
Those who are Gurmukhs find the jewel, and those who are Manmukhs lose it.
ਤੁਧੁ ਆਪਿ ਵਿਛੋੜਿਆ ਆਪਿ ਮਿਲਾਇਆ ॥੧॥
You make us lose it, You make us find it again.

I'd be fascinated to know where you think the Singh Sabha interpretation fits into this spectrum?

For many years-abhramic black and white interpertations of Sikh terms found in Gurbani were put fwd by sikhs who were more attuned with conceptual sikhi than essence Sikhi in expereince. Two such terms which were coined often were Gurmukh and Manmukh to explain good and bad without much contexualization. Sure we look at the basic interpertation of Gurmukh and Manmukh it means - Gurmukh (one who follows Guru) and Manmukh (one who follows mind) and there is no issue using that to discourage others from fives vices, improve discipline But what gets missed from time to time is broader, deeper estoeric definition of term Gurmukh and Manmukh-

Gurmukh - Gurmukh ( one who is attuned and indentifies with inner pure consciouness our real jot-chaitan/intuitive wisdom, acts, functions from inner soul - our real jot as it appear as hakum always unfolding) backdrop behind conditioned mind which is not confined to social religious construct (amritdhari or not).

Manmukh- Manmukh(one who is attuned with mind, one who indentifies with conditioned mind), functions, acts, reacts out of mind. This manmukh definitation is not confined by social religious construct be it amritdhari or not.

So by that deeper definition most of us are manmukhs and only rare diamonds are gurmukhs. So let us all strive to be indentify, function, acts, react from our real inner soul consciounes (Gur-chaitan-mukh towards) by further stilling our mind via Gur shabad, Gurshabad gian- wisdom than spent time judging others.

"A stupid man's report of what a clever man says can never be accurate, because he unconsciously translates what he hears into something he can understand."
Bertrand RussellBritish author, mathematician, & philosopher (1872 - 1970)

Simple explanation.

I think it is really important to (ultimately) cognise things as the result of individual actions (even when they work in concert). In terms of discrimination, this could be the personal behaviour of powerful elite individuals (say like Rupert Murdoch) who use their mechanisms to spread and bolster their worldview which informs the behaviour of those that buy into it. At ground level it's discriminatory behaviour on an inter-personal basis, be it verbal abuse/bullying, exclusion or what not.

Again, realising that confronting and putting people on the spot for their own personal behaviour is a far more powerful mechanism/tool than the top down approach which has people pointing fingers at gaseous villains like Hindus, the illuminati, RSS, Freemasons etc. etc. without actually directly challenging anything to try and cause real change.

Sure, use whatever theory to try and grasp the problem, but ultimately don't forget that underlying all these things are choices and decisions and everyday actions by individual people. We can do something about that.

Good achievement.

We need more stuff like this and less pendu stuff.

It really irks me when they totally ignore historical details; the Khanda symbol of today wasn't used at that period. lol

It really irks me when they totally ignore historical details; the Khanda symbol of today wasn't used at that period. lol

If Sri guru gobind Singh ji did practice sarblohi bibek then I would thin all the gurus would have to. But in a sakhi of Sri guru har Rai sahib ji guru ji was on his horse and met a old bibi who made roti and guru ji ate it. There was no sarbloh or sucham at all. The singhs asked guru ji why he did that and guru ji said I saw prem and pyaar in that food. We have to have a balance and guru ji shows it again and again. Probably in one sakhi guru ji does one thing and another sakhi he does another. He does opposite things to break pakhand and hankaar.

If you can keep sarblohi bibek go for it but I am not strong enough to do it. I have all the respect for somebody who can and will never break the rehit. I have seen many people who do sarblohi bibek and a year later they eat at McDonald's etc.

I think, we are wrongly mixing 2 things, and we sholud separate them: one is the hygiene and the other is karmas.

Regarding hygiene, whether amritdharis or not amritdharis, all should be well conscious of its importance in heath issuses and try to act accordingly, whether in the langar, home, or anywhere else....


Secondly the karmas point, karmas do not get transferred from one to others, just like transferring or downloading an attachment file on internet, neither by shaking hands, or being in other´s company.

Karmas are created alone by one´s own actions, thoughts and behaviour.

Hygiene is on a physical level, while karmas are on a mental level.

I think, it was in Kabir Sahib´s time, that when he observed that people were going to the so called sacred rivers to bathe and think that by doing so, it will wash one´s karmas or sins...

So he said to them, take a "mirch" and dip it into that sacred waters belived by you people, and then cut it and taste it. You will see that the taste has not changed at all. So if these waters, can not even change, a physical attribute of something, how can you even think, that bathing in it, or drinking it, can wash your sins or karmas which are not material?


In the same way, our Guru Sahibans, have only stressed on His Naam, as the only washer or eraser of all our subtle filth of karmas and sins.

Once having tasted that Naam within, then one can see the changes, that one from a devil (sinner) or a manmukh, one is changed into a Gurmukh or a Saint.

After that stage, one´s speech, one´s thoughts, one´s actions, are changed drastically. We can say, one is converted from a crow which subsists on vishtaa or filth, to a swan which drinks the nectar of Naam only.

Such is the wadeeayee of Gurmat and Naam.

That superstition one is one his worst videos. He has better stuff out there.

PS Ford is a badass ok. Anyone who throws a football like that and laughs about it is a chill mothafuka.

Yeah!

Check this out guys: if you're in the UK and you think Boris Johnson is a 'character'.

Check out the Canadian mayor.....

I wouldnt go that far, I would rather listen to what he says on merit and research anything he says that seems dubious.

You have any evidence of this?

Facts ? What facts are those?
If the 3ho SIkhs are not on the correct path, who is going to put them on the correct path? SGPC? Taksall?

When the time comes? for what ? You to get some help.

I think his nurse forgot to give him his Temazepam myself.

Psychologically he seems to be playing out some big, bad jut kharku gangsta fantasy out in his head via the Internet.

Good luck getting any sense out of him.

Bwaaaaaahh!! lol