Harbhajan Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 source: http://www.ibnlive.com/news/all-followers-...pc/59093-3.html All followers of Sikh gurus not Sikhs: SGPC New Delhi: The Shiromani Gurdwara Prabandhak Committee or SGPC has contended that different sects who worship and follow Sikh gurus cannot be called part of Sikh community and the recent Punjab and Haryana High Court order denying minority status to the Sikhs was a serious error. Filing a petition before the Supreme Court against the HC order striking down a Punjab Government notification, granting minority status to SGPC-run educational institutions in the state, the SGPC said it is a serious error to treating all followers of Sikh gurus as Sikhs. The SC issued notices to the Centre, Punjab state, Sahil Mittal and others on the basis of two separate petitions filed by SGPC and state of Punjab. A bench consisting of Chief Justice KG Balakrishnan, Justices CK Thakker and RV Raveendran, however, refused to stay the operation of the High Court judgement dated December 17, 2007, holding that there is nothing to show that Sikhs were not a dominant group in the state. Earlier a group of students had moved a petition in the High Court after they had been denied admission in medical science courses in view of 50 per cent reservation granted to Sikhs in the SGPC-run medical colleges, which enjoy the status of minority institutions. The students had challenged the validity of Punjab Government notification dated April 25, 2006, under Section 2(f) of Punjab Private Health Sciences Educational Institutions (regulation of admission, fixation of fees and making of reservation) Act 2006, which granted minority status to SGPC-run educational institutions. According to the petitioners, Sikhs constituted 65 per cent population in Punjab and cannot be granted minority status. The High Court later ruled that the definition of minority under Articles 29 and 30 of the Constitution of India couldn’t be overruled or changed through a state government act. ---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/India/T...how/2786665.cms Those not on our rolls are not Sikhs: SGPC 16 Feb 2008, 0051 hrs IST, Dhananjay Mahapatra,TNN - TIMES OF INDIA NEW DELHI: At a time when there is a hefty premium on the numbers a community or caste can boast, the Sikh Gurudwara Parbandhak Committee, along with the Punjab government, seem anxious to prune the ranks of Sikhs. Determined to retain the 'minority' tag which gives SGPC virtually a free hand in running the huge network of Sikh educational institutions, the committee has said that only its members can be counted as Sikhs. The audacious claim, which seeks to conflate the community with members of the controversial religious body and puts a whole number of sects - from colourful Nihangs and Nirankaris to Dera Sacha Sauda, Udasis and Radha Soamis - out of the fold, was put forward in the Supreme Court on Friday by SGPC and the Punjab government. SGPC and the state government, controlled by its political cohorts - the Akalis - had approached the SC to challenge an order of the Punjab and Haryana High Court which ruled that the community could not claim "minority status" in Punjab. The HC judgment had come on petitions filed by students who had applied for admissions to medical and dental colleges run by SGPC but failed to secure them because of the 50% reservation given to Sikhs after the state conferred minority status on the Sikh community. The SC Bench comprising Chief Justice K G Balakrishnan and Justices C K Thakker and R V Raveendran, which issued notice on the petitions but refused to stay the HC judgment, seemed to scoff at the arguments. On behalf of the petitioners, counsel Harish Salve and Jayshree Anand argued that SGPC had since its formation in 1925 recognised only those as Sikhs who believed only in "Guru Granth Sahib", the "Ten Gurus" and "no other religion". Though true, the criterion has never been used as a litmus test for determining who is a Sikh. Though the community has frowned upon leaders of Nirankaris and Baba Ram Rahim of Dera Sacha Sauda, who call themselves Gurus, Nihangs have rarely been seen as outsiders. The community leaders did not seek to look askance at Sikhs worshipping Hindu gods even after the toll the turbulent 80s took on the bond between the two communities. The HC in its December 17, 2007, judgment had said: "There is no material to substantiate that 'Sikhs' are a non-dominant group in Punjab apprehending deprivation of their rights at the hands of 'dominant group' who may come to power in the state in a democratic election." Counsel for SGPC tried to substantiate their plea by arguing that the number of Sikh electors in Punjab registered with the religious body was 53.98 lakh, which is less than 50% of the total 1.65 crore registered voters in the state. It did not seem to wash with the Bench which remarked that if the SGPC's method of determining the minority status was to be accepted, then the entire Hindu community, with myriad sects and sub-sects, would also be entitled to claim 'minority status'. SGPC and the state, in their appeals before the SC, took shelter under a declaration from the National Commission for Minority Act under which the Central government had issued a notification on October 23, 1993, declaring Muslims, Christians, Sikhs, Buddhists and Zoroastrians as minority communities. The Bench, however, demurred, pointing out that the Act pertained to the areas where the community, in relation to the total population, was in minority, implying that the law could not be invoked in Punjab where, according to the 2001 Census, Sikhs were the majority. The stand of the Bench mirrored the one taken by a constitution Bench in the T M A Pai case. This was also the reasoning that HC used to strike down a 2001 notification of the Punjab government, allowing SGPC to reserve 50% seats for Sikhs in its educational institutions. The HC had said government should have taken the population of the state into consideration rather than of the country. 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Maha Kharag Singh Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 what a bunch of *%$~#!@^ this means that udasis etc cannot be classed as sikhs, what a boad of lollocks 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 y is anyone surprised? These leaders 've done this since 1860's. then under british, now under the 'dusht hindu evil congress jhoothi sarkar' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Maha Kharag Singh Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 WTF i just read the second article, Nihungs arent Sikhs? ehna di **** di, have they forgotten if there was no laadli fauj there would be no sikhism! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Matheen Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 the committee has said that only its members can be counted as Sikhs. The SGPC is embarrasing itself. Don't these moorakhs think before releasing statements/ opening their mouths. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Considering that Guru Maharaj is Jagat Guru,- Guru of the World,- all of mankind are potential students in the school of Nanak. One does not have to be a sikh in order to follow the spiritual guidance of Guru Granth Sahib, the rules of sikhs are contained in different works, and the Guru Granth can be used by hindues as well, why we have "sikhs" in Sind, pakistan and other provinces known as "sehajdhari sikhs" even though they stil follow the external rules of their own respective religion 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DTF Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 I think everyone is reading this the wrong way. SGPC is trying to keep sikh pupils in the majority at their institutions. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 canthe Guru Granth really be used by hindus? would the idol worshippers give up idol worship if it sed in Guru Granth Sahib? 500 years ago Guru Ji told the poeple all over india that idol worship is useless. How many people still do it today? Can the hindus really use the Guru Granth Sahib? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Malwe Da Sher Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 Guru Ji said people should wake up at amritvela, does that mean all those that wake up after 5-6 am cannot 'use' Guru Granth Sahib Ji? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sag_roti2 Posted February 19, 2008 Report Share Posted February 19, 2008 canthe Guru Granth really be used by hindus? would the idol worshippers give up idol worship if it sed in Guru Granth Sahib? 500 years ago Guru Ji told the poeple all over india that idol worship is useless. How many people still do it today? Can the hindus really use the Guru Granth Sahib? ......and who are you to decide who can read the Guru Granth Sahib ! Amey Bakwas mari janda ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
username Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 no sag roti, i was replying to an earlier post which says the Hindus use Aad Guru. im asking can they "really" use it? what im getting at is reading something for guidance ie Aad Guru and then ignoring it ie idol worship. i just used idol worship as an example. you're a biut touchy arent you. next time i will tone it down, i promise. Anyone can read Guru, we all know that. i wasnt hinting that they cant read it,rather that they choose t ignore it. you think we dont want to the world to know aboutn the teachings of Guru? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mekhane'ch Jannat Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 The idols referred to by our Guru's are not the ones made from stone, a hindu may worship an idol but be free from 'idol worship' whereas some sikhs who worship akaal worship their internal idols everyday while reading bani. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 20, 2008 Report Share Posted February 20, 2008 The idols referred to by our Guru's are not the ones made from stone, a hindu may worship an idol but be free from 'idol worship' whereas some sikhs who worship akaal worship their internal idols everyday while reading bani. vah ji vah, very very very deep thought you just wrote in just three lines..for some it takes a whole book to write this message across.... it takes some juice to decipher this agami gal... tat gyan right here.. ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harbhajan Posted February 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 22, 2008 http://www.tribuneindia.com/2008/20080223/punjab1.htm#6 Sikhism: Tarlochan flays govt, SGPC Tribune News Service Chandigarh, February 22 Former chairman of the National Minorities Commission and member, Rajya Sabha, Tarlochan Singh has criticised the Punjab government and the SGPC for trying to “narrow the ambit of Sikhism for their vested interests of controlling admissions to educational institutions by characterising them as minority institutionsâ€. Tarlochan Singh was reacting to an appeal filed by the Punjab government and the SGPC before the Supreme Court against a judgment of the Punjab and Haryana High Court saying the Sikhs were not a minority community in Punjab. In a statement here on Wednesday Tarlochan Singh said by denying voting rights to the Sehjdhari Sikhs in the SGPC elections, the community had already shown the door to Sindhi Sikhs and members of the Udaasi sect. Now by saying the Radhsoamis, Namdharis and followers of Baba Dyalji were not part of the Sikh community, the community was being narrowed further. He said vested interests were narrowing the confines of a religion founded by Guru Nanak Dev just to seek admission to education institutions. Earlier, the SGPC used to claim that the Sikhs in the world number over two crore. But the new stance of the SGPC would reduce the population of the Sikhs in the world to mere 50 lakh. This would create a grave crisis for the community at the world level in future. Tarlochan Singh said the Arya Samaj and the Sanatan Dharam had conflicting principles, but both were Hindus. Similarly, Catholics and Protestants and Shias and Sunnis followed different principles, but were called Christians and Muslims, respectively. It was unfortunate that leaders of the Sikh community were not willing to accept members of various Sikh sects as Sikhs. Describing the issue as “political,†he said before going to the Supreme Court, the SGPC and the Punjab government should have consulted intellectuals and legal experts as well as taken the MPs into confidence so that the issue could be raised in Parliament. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sag_roti2 Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 you're a biut touchy arent you. next time i will tone it down, i promise. Sorry...maybe Its my hormones... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sag_roti2 Posted February 24, 2008 Report Share Posted February 24, 2008 i just used idol worship as an example. quote] By the way...hindus do not worship "idols" they 'worship' murtis. 'idol' was a derogatory word used by the Christian Missionaries to denigrate the Hindu (and other) religions....we should not use the language of these Crusading Christians whose only aim was to show how superior their religion was to that of the 'natives' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipledgeblue Posted June 8, 2008 Report Share Posted June 8, 2008 SGPC sikhi was directly influenced by protestant christianity, as are modern translations of bani, where different shabads are simply generalised go meaning "God". This narrowing down of a sikh to only being a follower of the SGPC Lahore Singh Sabha Tat Khalsa is another one of these christian attributes, of a membership only tribal religion. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mithr Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 londondajatt, just curious, but would you consider the Radhaswamis, SachaSaoda and the likes to be Sikhs who although beleive in our 10 Gurus but claim to be Sikhs? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ipledgeblue Posted June 9, 2008 Report Share Posted June 9, 2008 I don't have the right to judge who is and isn't sikh. If someone who follows Guru Sahib isn't their sikhs then what else are they? By the way I am not Sikh (religious label with capital S) but I am a sikh (disciple) of the Gurus. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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