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he's possessed.......

same could be said for akj hyper ventalting in their smagams and causing distortion of vahiguroo mantar. It's funny how we perceive things as they call it beadhi, how we scream out of our lungs- possession, beadhi of sikh sentiments and have no problem with beadhi happening in maharaj's darbar in everyday samgams- distortion of vahiguroo gurmantar just because one tribal group is more popular and influential in the panth than another.

Beadhi game card is very dangerous, its usally two edged and relative to individual perspective/surti/avastha.

I totally regret putting the whole classic asa di var namdhari video online now after seeing bunch of sadistic individuals instead of appreciating classic asa di var in raags, they nit picked on small clips like this from the asa di var video and make mockery out of it. It's because of same very reason, i usually draw parallelism of this video which is not so acceptable because of people's personal bias vs infamous audio clip of akj distorting vahiguroo gurmantar to grrrrrrrrrr, bruahhhhhhhhhh, aaahaha,,eeeoooo which these people have no problem attending.

If you really sworn to search for beadhi as they call it happening in groups then you must be impartially point out all the beadhi happening in acceptable tribal groups as well including distortion of gurmantar in akj and rise of homosexuality in taksal dera's, molestation of childrens, womens in nanaksar abroad and back home.

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There are cases of homosexuality in dera's of taksal back in india. Ask your elders who lives close to mehta. I m not biased against taksal in fact i intially took amrit from taksal. I am proving a point here, let me put it in layman terms and bold letters-

No samparda or jatha is immune from malicious/unmoral activities going on inside but its usually chelas of mahapursh who are 75% like snakes anyway try to nit pick stuff against other groups and forget about their own, there is saying in punjabi- apdi manji thela sooti mar kai dekhi aa pehla?

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I don't think you can compare this with the AKJ style of simran. As far as I recall theirs doesn't involve having your dastar unwind and fall on the floor!

Yes you are right when they do simran or in mastane atleast their dastar doesn't fall on the floor but essence is same, namdhari going wild-dancing in the above clip and akj going wild-shaking their heads, head banging, distortion of gurmantar have one thing important in common, they are both doing it because of anand they are getting and they have became mastane and are unaware of surrounding.

Look i have no problem with both parties as they might be getting true anand which we obviously can overlook. Who i am to judge? but at the end of day, if one party wishes to play beadhi game card, possession game card then i must step up to show other side as well.

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There are cases of homosexuality in dera's of taksal back in india. Ask your elders who lives close to mehta. I m not biased against taksal in fact i intially took amrit from taksal. I am proving a point here, let me put it in layman terms and bold letters-

No samparda or jatha is immune from malicious/unmoral activities going on inside but its usually chelas of mahapursh who are 75% like snakes anyway try to nit pick stuff against other groups and forget about their own, there is saying in punjabi- apdi manji thela sooti mar kai dekhi aa pehla?

There was only one such case that I've heard of and I don't even know of that is even true or not.

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I don't see wht Taksal, Nanaksar issues were brought into this thread, they are not comparable - you are comparing mastanai Vs mahapaapi.

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I don't think you can compare this with the AKJ style of simran. As far as I recall theirs doesn't involve having your dastar unwind and fall on

Tony, actually, thre are cases where Jathaa singhs puggan have come flying off due tot he head banging motions. In fact, a confused Jathaa Singh I know actually told me that last week one Snigh was making bhangra dancnig movements with his shoulders and later with his arms in very energetic and jerky motions whilst amritvela simran (loud version) was going. I told him it was expected, if you are going to create music with fast and loud drumming going and high volume vocal repititions, your subcon is going to do what it traditionally associates such music with.

I can't believe how low people go to have a dig at someone they know absolutely nothing about, who may be pyaara of Sat-Guru for all they know.

Carry on, that bank balance is fattenign up nicely.

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2 (or 3 or 4) wrongs don't make a right.

Anyway, my comment wasn't serious.......lol. Furthermore, I don't belong to any 'party', but I do have an issue with people distorting Gurbani, whether it be one Akhar in Aasa Di Vaar or Gurmantar.

It's all very well having wishy-washy views and pretending to be tolerant but the fact is that my Guru is Poora and needs no modification.

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rise of homosexuality in taksal dera's, molestation of childrens, womens in nanaksar abroad and back home.

There is a recognised form of homosexuality called the 'Harem Effect' which occurs when one sex is confined together for periods of time in seclusion. It happens in ALL prison around the world when male inmates are locked up for years at a time. Even though they are naturally Hetro, because they have no female around they turn to fellow inmates to satisfy their sexual urges and thus become Homo for a period. When they get out into the real world amongst the opposite sex they return to being hetrosexual.

I have also heard such rumours when I was in India late last millenia.

What we must remember is that just because these guys live in deras doesn't necessarily mean that they have high avastha. They still need to satisfy any base desires they have. if the common source (ie wives or girlfriends) is deprived they will look else where (porn, masturbation, female members of visiting sangat, children and even animals).

hence the reason that even life long unmarried sadhus/sants such as Sant jagjit Singh says that people should get married and do what the birds and bee do.

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You missed the trick, the Gurbani is not modified (in physical form), only the tradition of vocally reciting one word 'which' Namdharis believe was changed by 'our' collective 10th Guru, as per 'non' Namdhari and respected ithihaas. (and no, I don't agree with the Namdhari/Kavi Santok Singh version, but thats not the point).

If you don't agree fine, you don't have to take the piss out of something you don't understand i.e. "he's possessed" etc.

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sometimes the body can be a cage, most of the time we dont care, but once in a while some people feel such an urge that their bird like soul breaks free, in such cases the body becomes a rag doll to the uncontrollable un explainable rush of emotions and love pouring out from within..

In other cases he may be doing interprative dance routine to the shabad being sang, which I think is a welcome development to exploring Sikhi in many new and wonderful ways..

Also like to add, come on man!!!.. how is nobody amazed that a Baba of his age is able to perform those moves man ! He should be in the olympics..

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Dancing and singing divine praise exists in most tribal and religious traditions across the world.

To the highet level I would argue that South Indians have maintained the ancient Vedic art of worship (story telling of the Gods) through dance. amazing stuff. The worship of Rumi sahibs dervishes is beautiful and mystical too.

I wouldn't class what the Hari movement do as dancing...

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The thing is I regard dancing as something spiritual and I'm trying to be open minded about the Namdhari gone wild but I can't help thinking it's wrong. In Sikhism it's always about disciplining yourself, what Guru Gobind Singh Ji says. (E.G. don't give into your hormones think of others as your Paji or Panji etc when your young along those lines) - therefore dancing like that - would it not be unacceptable.

Then I'm thinking I've got double standards when it comes to Sufism and ere dancing, I'm like that must be some cool spiritual experience ere having. I no I'm a hypocrite!!!

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don't give into your hormones think of others as your Paji or Panji etc - therefore dancing like that - would it not be unacceptable.

Where does it say that? who would you get married to if you see everyone as a brother. Presumably your local aunty will introduce you to some chap, you both agree and get married - thats incest!

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According to a book of hare krishna from the 1500's Guru Nanak participated in the ecstatic dance along with the hare krishna members when He visited jagatpur

Yes, according to them when Guru Nanak Dev Jee visited Orisa he met Chetanya Mahaprabhu and they both began dancing during Aarti pujaa. You can imagine how that must have looked like.

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Nanak Satgur Bhetiya Poori Hovaie Jugat |

Hasandaie Khelendiya Pehendiya Kavandaiya Viche Hovaie Mukht ||

[Ang- 522]

I think above tuk even though it does not mention dancing dedicated towards vahiguroo directly but it does sum it up very well. Sikhi does NOT promote always bairaag or sad mood all the time, it promotes celebration of this life while staying nirlaip...!

:D:D

over and out !

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"Where does it say that? who would you get married to if you see everyone as a brother. Presumably your local aunty will introduce you to some chap, you both agree and get married - thats incest!"

Careful:

Desa Singh Rehitnama says : treat anothers daughter as your own and regard anothers wife as your mother.

52 Hukumnamay say: Recognize all other women other than your wife as mothers and sisters./Daughters Do not engage in Extra-marital behavior with any other than your legally wedded spouse.

There are other historic quotes of the 10th Master. But on a commonsensical level, we must look to Punjabi tradition of our grad-parents (and even parents) generation. Everyone in the pind was bhen/bhra - irrelevant of even caste or faith, let alone being Khalsa.

Todays age, there is nothing wrong with living in the same way. If we be traditionalists, then we treat every bibi with family respect. When our parents find a spouse for us, according to puratan rehits, we accord her the respect of a mother (don't mock this, try and understand it) to say, that a man reserves utmost respect for his mother - that same method of communication and level of love should be accorded to your wife - daughter of the Khalsa. That you share intimacy with each other - should not detract from the need for utmost respect being accorded.

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