Kaljug Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Waheguru Ji Ka Khalsa, Waheguru Ji Ki Fateh! This looks like it will be an interesting book: http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/019975506X/ref=pe_3421_23452111_snp_dp Not available to buy yet. The product description on Amazon reads: The Dasam Granth is a 1,428-page anthology of diverse compositions attributed to the tenth Guru of Sikhism, Guru Gobind Singh, and a topic of great controversy among Sikhs. The controversy stems from two major issues: a substantial portion of the Dasam Granth relates tales from Hindu mythology, suggesting a disconnect from normative Sikh theology; and a long composition entitled Charitropakhian tells several hundred rather graphic stories about illicit liaisons between men and women. Sikhs have debated whether the text deserves status as a "scripture" or should be read instead as "literature." Sikh scholars have also long debated whether Guru Gobind Singh in fact authored the entire Dasam Granth. Much of the secondary literature on the Dasam Granth focuses on this authorship issue, and despite an ever-growing body of articles, essays, and books (mainly in Punjabi), the debate has not moved forward. The available manuscript and other historical evidence do not provide conclusive answers regarding authorship. The debate has been so acrimonious at times that in 2000, Sikh leader Joginder Singh Vedanti issued a directive that Sikh scholars not comment on the Dasam Granth publicly at all pending a committee inquiry into the matter. Debating the Dasam Granth is the first English language, book-length critical study of this controversial Sikh text in many years. Based on research on the original text in the Brajbhasha and Punjabi languages, a critical reading of the secondary literature in Punjabi, Hindi, and English, and interviews with scholars and Sikh leaders in India, it offers a thorough introduction to the Dasam Granth, its history, debates about its authenticity, and an in-depth analysis of its most important compositions. Anyone know the author? I can't find any other publications by the guy. Regards, K. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 http://www.lafayette.edu/about/news/2010/09/03/robin-rinehart-sikh-text/ http://muse.jhu.edu/login?uri=/journals/biography/v023/23.3gold.pdf http://www.oup.com/us/catalog/general/subject/ReligionTheology/ComparativeReligion/Eastern/?view=usa&sf=toc&ci=9780199755066 http://books.google.co.uk/books?id=hMPYnfS_R90C&printsec=frontcover&dq=robin+rinehart&source=bl&ots=bkwYPVOPjX&sig=GLJ6yyl1a6KHNk_k-RwYDXzjmPc&hl=en&ei=mclBTe-YHIPJhAeS6s3sAQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=2&ved=0CCAQ6AEwATgK#v=onepage&q&f=false The above links dont give a lot of indication of whats in the new book but some background and previous work of the author. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) Its a female. She wrote a chapter in a book by Pahsaura SIngh "Sikhism and history" some 10 years on various strategies on how to interpret the Dasam Granth. She said that it was vital that one does'nt study Dasam Granth without also studying court litterature from the various darbaars in south india and east india at the time, as well as other important aspects which she felt was missing in the current dasam granth books at the time... I think she took it upon herself to interpret the dasam granth in the light of all the recommendations she made back then. Here is a an article about the book http://www.lafayette.edu/about/news/2010/09/03/robin-rinehart-sikh-text/ "“Here’s a text people have the same arguments about over and over and over,” explains Rinehart, professor and head of religious studies and chair of Asian studies. “Let’s leave the controversies aside and see how it fits in Indian literature as a whole. It seems to be an example of the kind of text that was produced at the courts of kings, and it has a lot of connections with earlier forms of Sanskrit literature and what’s called Indian ‘story literature.’”" Edited January 27, 2011 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 (edited) Her position on the Charitro Pakhyaan is that it fits with other court litterature from various tamil and hindi darbaars which the court poets etc would sit an discuss with their sultan.. Not a bani to be recited, but to be discussed.. Edited January 27, 2011 by amardeep 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 27, 2011 Report Share Posted January 27, 2011 Her position on the Charitro Pakhyaan is that it fits with other court litterature from various tamil and hindi darbaars which the court poets etc would sit an discuss with their sultan.. Not a bani to be recited, but to be discussed.. I'm surprised no one has beaten you with the blasphemy stick for saying that! I recall reading a Kapur Singh article that was suggesting that much of the contents of DG were not written as bani but as secular literature by Guru Gobind Singh ji. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 I did recieve various death threaths on PM hihihii 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 looks a very intereesting read, anyone know when the release dat is? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Her position on the Charitro Pakhyaan is that it fits with other court litterature from various tamil and hindi darbaars which the court poets etc would sit an discuss with their sultan.. Not a bani to be recited, but to be discussed.. that is where a lot of people get confused, cos charitrpakhiyan is written as a discussion between a minister(wise counsel) and the king. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 What do you mean ji 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Anyone know the author? I can't find any other publications by the guy. Its a female. lol. reminds me of when i was very young, and went to the local library and said to the librarian : "whats the name of the guy who wrote FAMOUS FIVE series? " I loved the Famous Five. Julian, Dick, George, Anne and Tim. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 lol. reminds me of when i was very young, and went to the local library and said to the librarian : "whats the name of the guy who wrote FAMOUS FIVE series? " I loved the Famous Five. Julian, Dick, George, Anne and Tim. Famous Five, ( never call her Georgina). Secret Seven. SImply Brill! Pack some homemade lemonade for our next adventure. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Famous 5! You big bunch of girl's blouses! lol I'm messing (partially). 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 28, 2011 Report Share Posted January 28, 2011 Actually I take that last post back. In a day and age when people don't bother reading, you should be given a pat on the back - even if it is The Famous Five. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Actually I take that last post back. In a day and age when people don't bother reading, you should be given a pat on the back - even if it is The Famous Five. Thenk Ju ji. I was gonna say that for a teacher your first post was rather irresponsible. Almost put me off books for life! Its because of Enid Blighton that now I'm reading fine high brow literature such as Harry Potter series, The Sun newspaper and Jordan's auto-biographies. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Famous Five? Why so english? It's all about the Hardy Boys. Now that takes me back...... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Famous Five? Why so english? It's all about the Hardy Boys. Now that takes me back...... Why so Yankee.? I had a Hardy Boys phase for a while 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HSD1 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 I had a Hardy Boys phase for a while What happened? Anyway arent the americans the new anglo-overlords of the sikhs? I was just doing what other sikhs have been doing the last 150 years lol. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Asterix was much better than all the aforementioned crap! A small group of pendus holding out against a larger group of imperial invaders with a magic elixir that gives them uncommon strength and courage. Hmmmmm........where have I heard that before....sounds quite familiar? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SURYADEV Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 Asterix was much better than all the aforementioned crap! A small group of pendus holding out against a larger group of imperial invaders with a magic elixir that gives them uncommon strength and courage. Hmmmmm........where have I heard that before....sounds quite familiar? LOL Can I get hold of that book under the Asia History section in my Waterstones? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chatanga1 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 What do you mean ji at the end of every story, it ends " Charitar Samaaapat Mantri Bhoop Samnade..." meaning the discussion ends between the Minister and the King. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 (edited) Need I say more....... Look, he's getting his toorkah on. Edited January 29, 2011 by dalsingh101 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Laadli Fauj Posted January 29, 2011 Report Share Posted January 29, 2011 wheres that image from babaji 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Its out now on amazon 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted February 27, 2011 Report Share Posted February 27, 2011 Have you guys noticed this trend of only putting out books in hardback with hefty prices. Well okay, I'm only talking about Niddar's book prior to this, so it's not exactly a trend but you get where I'm coming from, no? I'm going to have to try and get the library to buy it. That's a bit steep, in this economic climate too! I mean, are they actively trying to discourage sales? Or is the high price a way to ensuring everyday Joe Singhs don't buy it and keep the debate within limited circles? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted February 28, 2011 Report Share Posted February 28, 2011 I prefer hardback myself even though they are much more expensive. How is the library system in the UK? Do you have to buy books from there/pay a fee? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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