dalsingh101 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 4 minutes ago, paganvegan said: Sikhs are meant to view God as their husband and not the other way around. God is our husband regardless of our gender. Men don’t deserve to be treated or viewed as God, for God is Perfect and men are imperfect. Men only deserve respect from women if they respect women first. If a man beats his wife she should beat him too. If he swears at her she should also swear back at him. If he drinks so should she, if he sleeps around a woman MUST ALSO DO THE SAME and sleep around as much as she can. She should divorce him as soon as possible and take her kids with her if he is ever abusive towards him. Mostly, in the punjabi culture men beat their wives because their wives view them as God. Women should always view their husbands as Shytes and kick and bad mouth them from day one of their marriage lol Sikhism believes in equal rights for both men and women. There is no gender bias in this religion, if there is, it is due to not following sikhi. Are you a pagan vegan trying to teach us what Sikhi is? If so, you can f**k off mate and stick to your own beliefs. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganvegan Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 2 minutes ago, dalsingh101 said: Are you a pagan vegan trying to teach us what Sikhi is? If so, you can f**k off mate and stick to your own beliefs. That’s very harsh man! Sikhi believes in equality so women should treat men exactly the SAME as they treat women, I’d say! 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 2 hours ago, paganvegan said: That’s very harsh man! Sikhi believes in equality so women should treat men exactly the SAME as they treat women, I’d say! F**k what you got to say. We define ourselves along the parameters laid down for us, not on some random vegan's whims. Yes, women and men are deserved of equal respect, but to think women and men's lives aren't effected by gender is ridiculous. Ain't you got a community of your own to preach to? Go sod off over there. What are you, some jumped up white boy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh123456777 Posted September 11, 2018 Report Share Posted September 11, 2018 2 hours ago, paganvegan said: Sikhi believes in equality so women should treat men exactly the SAME as they treat women, I’d say! We are all created different physically and due to that men and women are not equal. There is a bit of equality regarding the soul(atma), but again it depends on the souls avastha. Another thing is, Sikhi is not vegan. No way will it ever be vegan. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tva prasad Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: That's way too simplistic. It's like Fred West's children worshipping him. Or some other pedo who happens to have kids. It's mad. If people haven't figured out that not all parents/spouses are benevolent creatures, and that they too can have serious issues for one reason or another they must be living in some sort of psychological cave. You know, if I met an apna , who had a decent sister or daughter who somehow ended up with some abusive husband (this does happen in our community), and his advice to her was to worship the fudhu like a god - I'd have absolutely zero respect for them as a man. I wouldn't even want to see their face. I bet most who would promote this would be proper momma's boys too. And I'm not idealising females either, I know plenty can be proper self-absorbed c**ts. Parents and husbands also have their own duties towards their children and wife, respectively. I was just talking about this specific topic. However, you are right about abusive husbands but the opposite also happens. If a wife has an obligation towards her husband the husband also has an obligation towards his wife. I was merely speaking from a spiritual perspective, outlining the reason behind this practice and why it is recommended. However, in today's society your concerns are quite valid. If a woman is told/explained to view her husband as god, her husband also has to be told/explained to follow the duties and role of a man in marriage. I fully agree with your point that it goes for both genders to respect and trust each other in marriage. P.S. there is nothing wrong with being a "momma's boy", if your parents are genuine 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchpagg47 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 10 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: F**k what you got to say. We define ourselves along the parameters laid down for us, not on some random vegan's whims. Yes, women and men are deserved of equal respect, but to think women and men's lives aren't effected by gender is ridiculous. Ain't you got a community of your own to preach to? Go sod off over there. What are you, some jumped up white boy. Na, no equal respect either|| 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchpagg47 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 13 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: And I would bet that many of these in our community would try and hide behind the concept of their wife blindly seeing them as gods, rather than go through the arduous process of increasingly their manliness. If more blokes strove to do this, we wouldn't have half the problems we have out in the west in my opinion. Some people have such unrealistic expectations of women (and I bet it is driven from lack of experience in that department), it's no wonder certain apneean say 'sod this' and run of with Tom, Dick and Flannah. Thank Waheguru for CP which helps us balance out our understanding of inter-gender relationships in an earthy, realistic way! Three cheers for CP!! No, this is because Monogamy allows the best Women to monopolize the small minority of men worth marrying. So middling women have no options, A combination of Honor Killing & Polygamy would solve this issue, although obviously this post won't get apporved by the homosexuals who moderate this "forum" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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paganvegan Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 21 hours ago, dalsingh101 said: F**k what you got to say. We define ourselves along the parameters laid down for us, not on some random vegan's whims. Yes, women and men are deserved of equal respect, but to think women and men's lives aren't effected by gender is ridiculous. Ain't you got a community of your own to preach to? Go sod off over there. What are you, some jumped up white boy. Talk about touchy or what? Silly old fart behaving like a cow dung cake only fit for chullahs! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paganvegan Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 5:04 AM, starchpagg47 said: No, this is because Monogamy allows the best Women to monopolize the small minority of men worth marrying. So middling women have no options, A combination of Honor Killing & Polygamy would solve this issue, although obviously this post won't get apporved by the homosexuals who moderate this "forum" Which small minority would it be? I hope it doesn’t comprise you? There is no ‘best’ either unless you are referring to your old school headmistress, lol! You have to be bonking mad, reallly need your head examined by a top mentalist! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted September 12, 2018 Report Share Posted September 12, 2018 2 hours ago, paganvegan said: Talk about touchy or what? Silly old fart behaving like a cow dung cake only fit for chullahs! You should change your name to paganvegantroll. It'll be more accurate. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
starchpagg47 Posted September 20, 2018 Report Share Posted September 20, 2018 On 9/12/2018 at 11:45 AM, paganvegan said: Which small minority would it be? I hope it doesn’t comprise you? There is no ‘best’ either unless you are referring to your old school headmistress, lol! You have to be bonking mad, reallly need your head examined by a top mentalist! It comprises whoever is willing to kill for it, which flat out isn't you. Fkn anglo 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Manpreet26 Posted May 29, 2020 Report Share Posted May 29, 2020 Cdnsikhgirl and sukrit kaur (behen jii) I am with GGS . but can you please tell me why superior God is referred as husband (male) and inferior human soul is referred as wife(female) Is it due to they consider female inferior to male? Just asking peace 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 Bump, this is interesting topic. lol 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 On 10/17/2015 at 5:38 AM, Koi said: If you love someone, do they have authority over you? If you love God, does he have authority over you? Though, does he not have it regardless? If you love your husband, does he not have authority over you? I'm not talking in a master slave mentality, but from the point of view of love. Because, even the Almighty God, if he is bound by one thing, that is love. Just something to think about... 100% 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sarabatam Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 ok my 2 cent take, both male and female power/control should be given, surrender, centralized to sri guru granth sahib ji, guidance via hakumnamas. Now sri guru granth sahib is giver of salvation its not a rule book to live your socio-economic mundane life (i wont bring prem sumarag granth due to controversies) . All though if you have your spiritual life- approach your life from top, ordained by sargun saroop ishat guru - sri guru granth sahib ji then your social, economic life should also flow spontaneously with minimal clash course with each other, as per divine will-Hakum rajai chalna. I am not fan of human examples as shabad is eternal but best example in our history - bhagat kabeer and his wife-mata loi thats what i've learnt from the divans. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahanpaapi Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 57 minutes ago, sarabatam said: ok my 2 cent take, both male and female power/control should be given, surrender, centralized to sri guru granth sahib ji, guidance via hakumnamas. Now sri guru granth sahib is giver of salvation its not a rule book to live your socio-economic mundane life (i wont bring prem sumarag granth due to controversies) . All though if you have your spiritual life- approach your life from top, ordained by sargun saroop ishat guru - sri guru granth sahib ji then your social, economic life should also flow spontaneously with minimal clash course with each other, as per divine will-Hakum rajai chalna. I am not fan of human examples as shabad is eternal but best example in our history - bhagat kabeer and his wife-mata loi thats what i've learnt from the divans. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mahanpaapi Posted August 6, 2020 Report Share Posted August 6, 2020 This divine protocol exist beyond intellectually and materially visible world, although it is transition through this one. One can only grasp this protocol if s/he actually belief in past and next life and vital role of devotional love. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikhilove Posted October 11, 2020 Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 On 10/14/2015 at 4:47 AM, paapiman said: 1. Nanaksar Perspective: Note: Babjee below refers to Srimaan 108 Sant Baba Nand Singh jee Kaleranwale Quote and once Babajee said, "Well done ladies! It is enough for you to serve your husbands. There is no need to come over here". Unquote [1] [1] - Sri Nanaksar Stairs to God 2. Saints Perspective: Quote Rishis (Saints) have said about a married woman that, "instead of looking to anybody else, she should regard her husband as her greatest Guru. A woman has to bow only to her husband and serve him with her own hands. Her duty is also to look after her children, her mother in law, father in law, brother in law, guide her children properly and look after the welfare of all family members. Thus her duties are many and all duties are of great responsibility. Unquote [1] Bhul chuk maaf The husband should do the same for the wife. Many husbands beat the living daylights out of their wives, abuse their children etc. What of them. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Sikhilove Posted October 11, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 11, 2020 Men and women are Equal. Gurbani tells us to see God in every heart, and see that He is our True Husband. At some point, humans decided that mean are higher than women, when Gurbani teaches pure equality. Look at Mai Bhago, the perfect example of a woman. Our different Janams, our different sexes in janams are symbolic of this. We are ever changing. Only the Truth remains. Why worship a fleeting shadow when the King of Kings is the only being that remains, the only reason we wake up, eat food, breathe air, walk amongst the trees etc. Life is temporary. See God in your husband and wife, love them, respect and cherish them but don’t be attached to them. Don’t worship And get attached to a temporary body when image is an illusion. Live free of the illusion and if you want to worship, worship All as God. The men on here are getting it twisted to what they want the meaning to be. Mool Mantar sums everything up, God is One, His name is Truth, there is no other. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Soulfinder Posted October 12, 2020 Popular Post Report Share Posted October 12, 2020 19 hours ago, Sikhilove said: Men and women are Equal. Gurbani tells us to see God in every heart, and see that He is our True Husband. At some point, humans decided that mean are higher than women, when Gurbani teaches pure equality. Look at Mai Bhago, the perfect example of a woman. Our different Janams, our different sexes in janams are symbolic of this. We are ever changing. Only the Truth remains. Why worship a fleeting shadow when the King of Kings is the only being that remains, the only reason we wake up, eat food, breathe air, walk amongst the trees etc. Life is temporary. See God in your husband and wife, love them, respect and cherish them but don’t be attached to them. Don’t worship And get attached to a temporary body when image is an illusion. Live free of the illusion and if you want to worship, worship All as God. The men on here are getting it twisted to what they want the meaning to be. Mool Mantar sums everything up, God is One, His name is Truth, there is no other. 100% correct bhen ji as all of the souls aatma is one whether it belongs to a male or female makes no difference at all. 5 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sikhilove Posted October 13, 2020 Report Share Posted October 13, 2020 20 hours ago, Soulfinder said: 100% correct bhen ji as all of the souls aatma is one whether it belongs to a male or female makes no difference at all. True. There are slight individual differences, ie our bodies in the khel, but we are in essence One, same Truth. That’s why of ego, they call it the darkness of ego.. it’s ignorance, hence darkness. Everyone wakes up to a world that He runs through And has created..His projection How can you really be in ego if you accept this. 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 9/12/2018 at 12:04 AM, starchpagg47 said: No, this is because Monogamy allows the best Women to monopolize the small minority of men worth marrying. So middling women have no options, A combination of Honor Killing & Polygamy would solve this issue, although obviously this post won't get apporved by the homosexuals who moderate this "forum" Sikhism is strictly against Honor Killings and Polygamy. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
paapiman Posted February 24, 2021 Author Report Share Posted February 24, 2021 On 10/11/2020 at 7:00 PM, Sikhilove said: Many husbands beat the living daylights out of their wives, abuse their children etc. What of them. Sikhism is strictly against wife beating and abuse of any fellow human being. Bhul chuk maaf 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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