You probably know enough already to walk quite far down this journey. Now work on the practical building not the theoretical understanding unless you need your battery charging. I should also practice what I preach HaHa.
You shouldn't really have too many questions for Gurmukhs unless your having simran problems or experiences that you want to share or discuss with them. Honestly they get fed up with people calling them all the time. Don't become one of those. Keep it once every few weeks or months. Then they love to hear from you, and see how your getting on. Just shows them you not one of those who came and then disappeared never to reach out to them again.
Don't become one of those who calls after every sneeze or tyre puncture to ask why it happened to you? Please do ardas for me etc etc.. When they do a natural bachan of their own choosing for you, then that is the most powerful blessing you will ever need.
I was recently telling my teacher that I'm struggling to do simran for more than 15 mins before I drift into Sunn and I am going in and out in one sitting. I was concerned that I should be forcing myself to stay awake because I kept on hearing mix signals from everyone what I should do, even once from him. He said absolutely not. Don't force yourself because you wont be able to. Let sunn/sehaj come. Get to the stage when you are able to say Waheguru once and you have gone into Sunn. Leave the rest to Waheguru to work His magic. If you can fall into sunn / sehaj listening to sehaj dhun/anhad sounds then even better, but if not keep working on the gurmantar and let the mind drift into sunn when it wants. 🙏 This has been bothering me for months and years now I think and I keep going round in circles because I'm stuck in same rut because I keep hearing different views. Rather than just letting it happen I kept on wanting to solve the issue when I should have just gone with the flow ages ago.
Even Charanjit Singh Gorkhi said he used to drift into Sunn when he was doing simran, although he never used a term for it. The similarities are all there, but we can't rush these things no matter how much want to. Go with the flow bud and work on the practical abhiyaas. Give more importance to that rather than the Akath katha, if you feel you have heard enough now. Personally I stopped listening to all the Q&A now from Simranjeet Singh because it was pushing me back into more research of how to quickly get to others peoples avastas. It's great what he is doing, but for me now it is having a negative effect.
Dass is very happy to post on here is and i am glad to be a part of this sites family. Its a long time 17 years and may Waheguru keep you in chardikala !!
Hey dalsingh bro,
Do you really believe I can be blind to the facts you are mentioning?
This kaam vaasna chor has left almost no one free from its deadly effects.
Name me one country or one race or creed which is free from this malady?
Film industry and sport sector in USA with me too, Colombia, Thailand, India, the muslim countries, the religious class in christianity within the goray, the political, the royal families, the doctors with their patients, the goray and other paedophiles with children of only months...
Open any news channel, any newspaper, one only sees sex crimes, apart from other atrocities, but sex crime is just too much...
It is just sickening, there is no such corner in this world full of evilness and negativity where this sex crime does not take place.
Some time ago, I read how apnay outside the gurdwaras in UK also have committed paedophile acts with our own children while parents are inside.
These are just some cases which come on the surface, but how many more are happening every second, every minute...
Bloody bastards.
SSA Brother dalsingh101 jee,
The goray covering the crime of these bastards is totally bad, sorry if I missed mentioning in my post above, not that I am not aware of it, but my post was mainly to bring light to the ill mentality, ill culture, of these bastards, which ends in crime and terrorism against humanity.
But then, the very goray also suffer at the hands of these bastards. All nationalities have criminals, but the difference between these and the rest is that, these are a product in industrial quantity, due to their devlish beliefs and retrogating culture.
Anyhow thanks for bringing the awareness of these matters, in this your present thread.
SSA.
From Bhai Randhir Singh Ji's book 'Anhad Shabd Dasam Duar'
OPEN DISCUSSION OF UNSTRUCK ETHEREAL MUSIC AT TENTH DOOR OF ABODE DIVINE.
CHAPTER 2 ‐ INDICATIONS OF DASAM DUAR OPENING
A. Trickling of Amrit.
B. Hearing of unstruck Ethereal Music, Anhad.
The two indications of Dasam Duar opening are:
First is the trickling of Amrit, extremely pure. Secondly the highly elating sound of Ethereal Music, so ecstatic, is heard. These two events of spiritual bliss are primary indications that are known to occur, seen and heard that naturally follow the high spiritual Sahaj attainment. These are not mere wishful dreams. In the fort of human frame temple and Abode of Self, these are true happenings, experienced in state of full awakeness. Ceaseless Naam‐Devotion leads to: aulitE kmlu bRhmu bIcwir ] AMimRq Dwr ggin ds duAwir ] Turns around the lotus of interior body with contemplation of Lord Supreme. Then what follows is: Trickles Amrit from the highest Dasam‐Duar. Gaurri M.1 p.153 AMimRq Bojnu kry AwhwrI ]1] rhwau ] Working like a fountain, "Trickles down nourishing Amrit that rejuvinates the devotee.” Gaurri M.5 p.181 ggin rswl cuAY myrI BwTI ] sMic mhw rsu qnu BieAw kwTI ]1] Says Kahir Ji “Trickles from my furnace at high Dasam Duar exalting Amrit. Collecting Nectar Supreme, my selfhood burns as fuel in the furnace. 1. Rag Gaurri p.328 Essence of wisdom, Nectarian Divine‐Knowledge, dawns as Sahaj state of Equipoise. This entire Play Divine occurs within the body. It may be possible to deny events of outside occurrence but occurrence within interior of body, closest personal experiences, can never be denied. Strange and unfamiliar it appears to those, without personal experience of Amrit True, Light Divine and the consequent Bliss. This blissfulness is limited to devotees of ceaseless Naam‐Devotion. Their bodies are rejuvenated with nourishment of Amrit, drinking deep of this. Their inner well of body interior is brimming with Amrit. The splendour of Light‐Divine within imparts golden hue to their bodies. The body so blessed has great appeal and attraction with a magnetic pull over the beholders. Thus they appear beautifully enchanting. kwieAw kMcnu sbdy rwqI swcY nwie ipAwrI ]18] kwieAw AMimRiq rhI BrpUry pweIAY sbid vIcwrI ]19] Golden is body imbued with Naam, Naam‐Divine makes it beautifully enchanting. 18. Body is brimming with Amrit within, bestowed through Naam contemplation. 19. Ramkali M.3 p.911 It is possible to drink Amrit within, in interior of the body, but "obtained through NaamContemplation" is the pre‐requisite for occurrence of this Divine Play. Chanting of Guru's Chant,
Naam, brings about alchemic phenomenon of brimfulness of body with Amrit, a perpetual occurrence. The source is the opening of Dasam Duar, responsible for regular trickle of Amrit of most exalting taste and ecstatic. The devout, bearing this unbearable experience of pure joy, bloat not to make a show of shallowness. Their spirit is enjoying nourishment of high spirituality engrossed in ecstasy of Nam. So long as, satiated with Amrit, switch at navel is kept pressed; the enlightened spirit enjoys untold bliss of celestial spheres, nourished with Amrit. The devotee, enjoying this state, tastes most wonderful Amrit and listens to elating Ethereal Music. This is a state of absolute concentration, holding all body organs in control. Rhythm of Anhad Music holds not only body organs under control but it is verily efficacious in holding entire universal balance in wonderful Natural‐Play‐Divine. This is the force of Naam‐ Amrit, Word‐Divine! Its play is evident at Dasam Duar, as Naam‐ Force, sustaining all life in perfect control and balance, in accordance with Gurbani: 'The Word‐Divine that holds universal balance." This Naam‐ Force has the capability of perfect control over volatile mind in the interior of body, replica of universal model. It is essential to activate this Force to bring it into Play with Touch‐stone of Naam, Guru's Word. It is realizing this state of Amrit‐Nourishment, automatic natural‐rhythmic recitation and perfect balance of model universe within the body, that Jingle of unstruck Ethereal Music, Anhad, multiorgan music is heard. This is very Real! Manifestation of Anhad starts Celestial Music and the entire region from highest Dasam Duar to navel becomes one. This is the miraculous working of Naam‐Devotion and consequent enlightenment within, transforming mortal frame into Amrit‐ Enlightenment of body with Golden Hue. Mortals, abiding in three states of worldliness can never imagine the most ecstatic play of Anhad Shabad‐Dasam Duar. This is incomprehensible, invisible and Limitless, Divine‐spiritual‐secret. All philosophical, scientific, chants and all the Vedicknowledge cannot go beyond the physical world. With limited conceptual aspect, why should one delve in frivolous argumentation? If one is a sincere and true seeker, it is open for spiritual experimentation. However, it is far too easy to be a non‐believer than a man of faith that calls for dedicated labour of Divine‐Love. The last line of the earlier quote (Chapter 1): "Thus speaks Nanak, Realizing Satguru controlled is volatile mind that comes to abide in Abode of Self ‐ Dasam Duar." It is authentication of the preceding lines through reaffirmation that controlled mind abides in Abode of Self at Dasam‐Duar. Mind undergoes experiences as stated below: iehu mnUAw sdw suiK vsY shjy kry vwpwrw ] AMqir gur igAwnu hir rqnu hY mukiq krwvxhwrw ] This mind always dwelling in peace, delves naturally in the business of Naam‐Devotion, gathering Naam wealth. Bestowed by Guru's Grace is Knowledge Divine and Jewel of Naam within, efficacious for redeeming. (2.) Vadhans Ki Var Slok M.3 p.593 gurmuiK rwg suAwd An iqAwgy ] gurmuiK iehu mnu BgqI jwgy ] Anhd suix mwinAw sbdu vIcwrI ] Awqmu cIin@ Bey inrMkwrI ]7] iehu mnu inrmlu dir Gir soeI ] gurmuiK Bgiq Bwau Duin hoeI ]
Aihinis hir jsu gur prswid ] Git Git so pRBu Awid jugwid ]8] Guru‐oriented forsake worldly attachment, pleasures and duality. Guru‐oriented mind keeps awake in Divine‐devotion. Listening to unstruck Celestial Music, Anhad, the devotee with ardent faith contemplates Word bestowed by Guru, Naam, and seeks self within. Realizing self, he attains oneness with Lord, Formless. 7. Immaculate becomes the mind at Abode of Self Dasam Duar, envisioning Lord everywhere. Gurmukh beings are ever engrossed in Loving Devotion. (8.) Aasa M.1 p.415 iehu mnu inhclu ihrdY vsIAly gurmuiK mUlu pCwix rhY ] nwiB pvnu Gir Awsix bYsY gurmuiK Kojq qqu lhY ] su sbdu inrMqir inj Gir AwCY iqRBvx joiq su sbid lhY ] KwvY dUK BUK swcy kI swcy hI iqRpqwis rhY ] Anhd bwxI gurmuiK jwxI ibrlo ko ArQwvY ] nwnku AwKY scu suBwKY sic rpY rMgu kbhU n jwvY ]65] Guru‐oriented realize Lord, as their Source and their steady minds abide in their interior. Lifebreath abides in bliss on the seat of navel and seeking Gurmukh finds the Essence. Word‐Divine also resides in interior, Abode of Self. Realized is this Light‐Divine, Effulgent Naam, the universal Sustainer. Yearning hunger for Lord True ends afflictions and satiated is mind in seeking Eternal One. Graced rare ones comprehend Naam‐force of Ethereal Anhad, Sustainer of all life. Says Nanak, those reciting Naam all the time are imbued with Naam and this hue of Love‐Divine is Eternal. Ramkali M.1 Sidh Gost p.945 Practitioner of Naam Simran breath by breath, WAHEGURU, within the interior ceaselessly as normal practice, keeps at it all the time. Blessed is this Naam‐devotee with peace eternal in inner being. Mind is steady in Bliss. Lighted within is the lamp of Naam. This is the enlightenment of Naam‐light, Jewel of knowledge within, the source of Liberation from worldliness. "Bestowed by Guru is the commodity of Knowledge, Naam". There is no other redeeming spiritual knowledge. Knowledge of other faiths pertains to functional names of Divine only. Liberating and enlightening knowledge comes through Gurmat. Guru‐oriented beings listen only to the singing of True Gurbani and shun the half‐baked Bani of imperfection. They delve only in True Naam Amrit, Most Sublime; nothing else is of their interest. They remain wide‐awake in Guru‐devotion of Naam‐Simran, God‐ remembrance. They blissfully enjoy celestial Music, Anhad Shabad. The Gurmukhs, young spiritual swans take NaamNourishment and contemplate Word‐Divine. They draw their sustenance from spiritual Jewels and pearls of Naam and Gurbani. Realizing Essence of Spirit within, engrossed they remain in Anhad Shabad. Their minds become immaculate through perpetual engrossment in Divine. At this stage of spiritual awakening of Fourth state of Knowledge, Gurmukhs remain engrossed in hearkening Anhad Shabad and in Meditation. The volatile mind, under control of Gur‐Shabad, attains absolute steadiness. Through practice of Naam Simran, mind now comprehends The Source, Divine‐spirit. This is inner vision of Naam‐enlightenment. Naam‐lamp is lighted with the bellow‐like simran, breath by breath and friction of this touchstone within generates spiritual spark. This spiritual spark is the sweetest, life‐giving initial nourishment of Amrit. This has the effect of permeating through every vein of the body, engulfing with enlightenment. Unfathomable sweet engrossment leads to:
iehu mnu inhclu ihrdY vsIAly… ‐ "Abides this mind steadily in the interior… No more mind wavers, abiding steadily within. Naam practice and sprinkling of Amrit, gushing sound of continuous automatic Simran, straightens up the inverted lotus at the navel and nurses it to flourish with nourishing panacea of Amrit. Nectarian taste of Amrit is without parallel. It generates life‐giving light of electrification that holds the breath at navel under the influence of ecstatic tasting of Amrit. Thus pressed with breath holding, navel experiences bliss of enlightenment. Ecstasy of this experience brings about absolute concentration of mind. Abiding in the self abode at lotus of navel, consciousness enjoys heavenly bliss that lifts the consciousness to new heights. With breath thus pressed at navel, consciousness takes flight to unlimited heights. Higher the flight of consciousness, greater the bliss of Ecstatic Amrit. This is the discovery of natural consequence of Divine yearning and bliss, contemplating Oneness of individual soul with Essence of Supreme soul. The above is a brief explanation of the line in foregoing Gurbani Shabad. "Life breath abides in bliss on the seat of navel and seeking Gurmukh finds essence." What more could be said? Those, who have experienced more of the referred Play‐Divine, may wish to elaborate further. This is the limit of my personal experience. kihby kau soBw nhI dyKw hI prvwnu ]121] "Words fail to express this marvel. Only the experience can truly satisfy. " Slok Bhagat Kabir Ji p.1370 It is not that vivid explanation of Surat‐Shabad Gurmat explanation is withheld purposely. The fact is that it defies description and it is indeed a matter of personal experience. Beyond words is Fathomless! Shabad, Gurmantar, abiding at the seat at navel, the seeker Gurmukh comprehends Essence and lights up spiritual enlightenment within his interior void perpetually. The bigger Universal Play in nature is also envisioned and comprehended through Gur Shabad. The alchemy of Naam‐Simran becomes nectarine, ceaseless and automatic phenomenon. The Gurmukh practitioner is not inconvenienced in any way, unlike the practitioners of Hathh Yoga. In the natural Gurmat Yog, of God Realization, body torturing is not involved. Yearning for more, unlimited flourish of enchanting enlightening further enhances spiritual hunger and bliss of enlightenment limitlessly. Hungering to behold Eternal Lord, Creator, ends all bodily afflictions as also evils of mind. No more is there any thirst for worldly desires. The yearning for more and more contemplation of Naam is most over powering to end all other wants. And this insatiability of Naam devotees is thus limitless. There is no end to hunger for Naam and yearning to behold Lord of Naam, yet there is a strange sense of fulfilment and satisfaction. No more is a scope left for worldliness and its desires nor bothersome pain and sorrow. Sustenance of Gurmat Naam, vision of the Lord and complete satiation therein is the high Gurmat spirituality that enables hearing elating Music of Anhad Shabad tinkling. Only rare Gurmukh devotees come to realize Anhad Bani. Though rarely experienced, yet Truth of this is undeniable. Guru Nanak bears witness true, that once attained, this high spirituality and its hue become eternal. idnu idnu cVY svwieAw nwnk hoq n Gwit ]16] "O Nanak! ever mounting is the elation of the accepted devotees and there is never a slide down in their state of spirituality. "
Thitee Gaurri M.5 p.30 Truly accomplished is the life with such spirituality, available only to the initiated Gursikhs, faithful to Gurmat. Their love for Gurmat way of life makes for engrossment in Naam and its alchemy to flourish in essence of Anhad. Their life‐breath imbued thus in high spirituality, they get rid of all doubt and sorrow. All the concentration is focussed on Guru's word, chant of Naam and consequently in Invisible and Incomprehensible Lord. It is only Naam‐devotion and its miraculous influence that enable contemplation of Lord Supreme and reaching highest spirituality. Heard now is Anhad sound of Musical organs along with singing of Gurbani as the Heavenly Ethereal Music. It is Grace of the Benevolent Guru that opens the heavy gates of Dasam Duar and the graced ones alone merge in Spirit‐Divine. Says Gurbani: jIvno mY jIvnu pwieAw gurmuiK Bwey rwm ] hir nwmo hir nwmu dyvY myrY pRwin vswey rwm ] hir hir nwmu myrY pRwin vswey sBu sMsw dUKu gvwieAw ] Aidstu Agocru gur bcin iDAwieAw pivqR prm pdu pwieAw ] Anhd Duin vwjih inq vwjy gweI siqgur bwxI ] nwnk dwiq krI pRiB dwqY joqI joiq smwxI ]1] Found is the life, real life through Guru's teaching, enchanting Gurbani. Guru bestows Naam‐Divine with each breath. Breathing Naam with every breath, all my doubt and sorrow is banished. Contemplating Invisible and Incomprehensible Lord through Gurbani, attained is the highest pure supreme spirituality. Singing Satguru's Bani, I have come to enjoy ceaselessly elating Ethereal Unstruck Music, Anhad Shabad. O Nanak! Bestowed is Grace Divine by Benevolent Lord and merged is my soul with Spirit‐Divine. 1. Rag Aasa Chhant M.4 p.442 Hearing of Anhad Shabad and merging with Spirit‐Divine is not easily attained through mere words or high sermons. It requires utmost Naam‐Devotion, bestowed only by Gracious Guru, Sovereign, Controller of Naam commodity. It is through True Satguru, met through, great fortune, whose tutelage may bestow Naam‐devotion, with His Grace. Naam‐devotion is ceaseless engrossment in Naam. The virtues of Naam‐Jewel are to be sung with loving Faith through Gurbani endlessly. Forsaken are personal needs of eating and sleeping until realization of the high objective. Such has to be the meditation of engrossed and unwavering mind! Practioners of this description are found in Guru's House, Gursikhs delving in Naam‐Jewel and earning great Merit‐Divine. They offer their entire beings, body and mind, to Satguru in devotion and remain under His refuge. Hopeful of Guru's Grace, they are engrossed in Naam and Gurbani devotion. Graced are they! Their life objective is attained, realizing Fathomless, Incomprehensible and Invisible Lord. Says Gurbani quote: myrw Twkuro Twkuru nIkw Agm AQwhw rwm ] hir pUjI hir pUjI cwhI myry siqgur swhw rwm ] hir pUjI cwhI nwmu ibswhI gux gwvY gux BwvY ] nId BUK sB prhir iqAwgI suMny suMin smwvY ] vxjwry iek BwqI Awvih lwhw hir nwmu lY jwhy ] nwnk mnu qnu Arip gur AwgY ijsu pRwpiq so pwey ]3] Inaccessible and Fathomless Lord of mine is Most Enchanting. O' Satguru, my Sovereign, I seek Commodity of Naam Divine through Your Grace! Seeking Naam and engaging in sole occupation of Singing Virtues‐Divine with loving devotion of Lord. Forsaking worldly slumber and hunger, devotee
merges with Lord, Unmanifested. Seekers of Naam‐Divine alone come together and earn great Merit‐Divine. O' Nanak! Making offering of entire being, mind and body to Satguru, rare one, graced by Satguru, alone receives Naam commodity. 3. Aasa chhant M.4 Ghar 1 p.442 Sri Guru Granth Sahib, Lord of Naam and Gurbani, is verily a brimming ocean with the spiritual Jewels, that enable realization of Dasam Duar, hearing of Anhad Shabad, Celestial Music and envisioned is Reality of Lord Supreme. This is an accomplishment of those, who put unwavering Faith in Gurbani and lead Gurmat way of life. Naam‐Jewel comes to abide in their hearts and opened is the vista of single‐minded Ceaseless Naam‐devotion. Ocean like interior of body is thus churned with stirrer of Naam‐recitation, to find the Essence. It then becomes evident that Guru and Lord Supreme are One as Spirit‐Divine, envisioned through enlightenment of Self. rqnw rqn pdwrQ bhu swgru BirAw rwm ] bwxI gurbwxI lwgy iqn@ hiQ ciVAw rwm ] gurbwxI lwgy iqn@ hiQ ciVAw inrmolku rqnu Apwrw ] hir hir nwmu Aqolku pwieAw qyrI Bgiq Bry BMfwrw ] smuMdu ivroil srIru hm dyiKAw iek vsqu AnUp idKweI ] gur goivMdu guoivMdu gurU hY nwnk Bydu n BweI ]4]1]8] Brimful is the ocean‐like interior with Spiritual Jewels. Found is this Treasure by devotees of Gurbani. Delving in Gurbani is found most precious Naam‐Jewel. Finding Naam‐Divine leads to abundance of Naam‐Devotion. Churning body‐ocean, envisioned is the novelty, Guru is Lord Supreme and Lord Supreme is Guru! O' Nanak! No difference can be discerned with Oneness in Spirit‐Divine. 4. 1. 8. Rag Aasa Chhant M.4 p.442 Blessed with vision of Invisible, Incomprehensible Lord Supreme, these Gurmukhs also experience Dasam Duar and Secret Divine play of Anhad Shabad. In elation of their ecstasy, they pour out: Ando Andu Gxw mY so pRBu fITw rwm ] cwiKAVw cwiKAVw mY hir rsu mITw rwm ] hir rsu mITw mn mih vUTw siqguru qUTw shju BieAw ] igRhu vis AwieAw mMglu gwieAw pMc dust Eie Bwig gieAw ] sIql AwGwxy AMimRq bwxy swjn sMq bsITw ] khu nwnk hir isau mnu mwinAw so pRBu nYxI fITw ]1] All is bliss with vision of the Lord! Tasted is the sweet Naam‐Amrit. Noam has come to abide in my mind with Grace of Guru. I now enjoy Equipoise, Spiritual Sahaj. Flourished is my interior being, bursting forth in joyful singing. Banished are the five evil foes. Cool and satiated is my being with Amrit Gurbani. Such is benevolence of Saintly Guru, Friend Emissary Divine! Says Nanak, beholding the Lord with my own eyes, my mind is enslaved to Him. 1. Aasa M.5 Chhant Ghar 1 p.452 After initiation and taking Amrit through Five Chosen Friendly Saints and Divine‐emissaries, when some predestined mortals experience first vision of Divine Spirit, they get elated beyond measure. In this blissful state, brimming with joy, they pour out their feelings, expressed in devotional ecstasy of Gurbani Kirtan. It is piercing like Celestial Music, in accordance with Will‐Divine. Revelation of this nature through personages of Gurus was also automatic under compulsion of joyful direct experience, most high through Divine Communication. Timeless Being, Lord Almighty,
willed this revelation so as to establish witness for the benefit of non‐believer mortals. Thus under authority of Divine is established the reality of invisible spiritual states visioned, as invisible is made visible. In the face of Truth Divine, it would not be possible to deny for Gursikhs, rather the reality will coax them to progress further in spirit of elation. In this vein, Lord of Gursikhs, fifth Nanak has revealed this authenticated Gurbani about Anhad Shabad: nv inDy nau inDy myry Gr mih AweI rwm ] sBu ikCu mY sBu ikCu pwieAw nwmu iDAweI rwm ] nwmu iDAweI sdw sKweI shj suBweI goivMdw ] gxq imtweI cUkI DweI kdy n ivAwpY mn icMdw ] goivMd gwjy Anhd vwjy Acrj soB bxweI ] khu nwnk ipru myrY sMgy qw mY nv iniD pweI ]3] All the nine treasures are available at my door. I have attained all through Naam‐contemplation. Meditating Naam, Lord has become my constant natural Companion. Gone is all worry, no more straying about, my stable mind is ever carefree and peaceful. Automatic is the thundering of Lord from within and Unstruck Ethereal Music, Anhad Shabad of ecstatic beauty. Says Nanak, Lord abiding with me, I have attained all the nine treasures. 3. Rag Aasa Chhant M.5 Ghar 1 p.452‐53 Devotees of ordained Gurmat‐Naam, Gurmukhs have personally verified Gurbani‐Truth. Naamdevotion enables all the above quoted experiences and accomplishment of stated spirituality. With enlightenment of Naam, the interior being is all lighted up. The treasure of all treasures, WAHEGURU, is visioned closer than the closest, in the very being. This comes as undeniable experience. Here and now, a direct experience! All worries are then gone. Mind abandons all straying about and dwells steadily in peace. Lord thunders forth from within and being is rejuvenated with perpetual youth. Mind is blissful, imbued with Divine‐Love and beauty. Meeting Lord, Husband, face to face and in full contact, one is blessed with real treasures and cherished life objective. All talk of other supernatural powers appears to be a lowly acquisition.
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Chamchagiri has no limits.
Why are u continuing when your "teacher" said it will not be replied. Beware you are trespassing the wishes of your "teacher " 😂😂😂, she may get angry.
And about your nonsense of immense Vella, well you are infinite in this aspect.
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SSA Lucky Jee,
nice to see you.
You are 100% right what you have stated above, and nobody denies that what you have expressed is what Kirtan is and has to be in sikhee; but we are not alone in this world, the word kirtan , or kirtana, means ‘telling, narrating, enumerating or describing’ and originates from the Vedic period, where it was first written as anukirtana or anukriti, meaning a ‘re-telling.
We as skhs are not alone in this world, there are many more. For example , prayers, or meditation, are common to all to an extent, we can not say to anybody, listen because you do not perform as per our point of views or our panth, your prayers, your meditation, your kirtan, is all rubbish.
The so called kirtan which I posted and which a particular member has created so much mess about it due to own personal mental rigidity, is nothing but evilness of that member.
Has anyone paid attention to the wordings in it?
Isn´t the singer asking god for guidance and singing His praises, and tht too in punjabi language, which is more related to us to understand? Or is it because it is in a filmy tune or whatever tune, it is invoking the devil.
I am not saying, nor did I ever mention, that it is o.k to sing like that at Gurdwaras or at any groupal meetings, and that is the real kirtan.
It is sung by someone who loves Him, and has sung His praises, he has not used Gurabni in filmy tunes, which would be completely wrong, but he is singing out of his soul to the Lord.
We live in this world, and just as we hear so many types of music, so by chance I heard this song, which touched me, because it reminded me of Waheguru , not because of anything, but because His praises were sung, because of that I called it beautiful.
Plus, does not the vey Bani say:
ਮੇਰੇ ਹਰਿ ਪ੍ਰੀਤਮ ਕੀ ਕੋਈ ਬਾਤ ਸੁਨਾਵੈ ਸੋ ਭਾਈ ਸੋ ਮੇਰਾ ਬੀਰ ॥੨॥
Maerae Har Preetham Kee Koee Baath Sunaavai So Bhaaee So Maeraa Beer ||2||
he whosoever tells me the stories of my Beloved Lord, is my Sibling of Destiny, and my friend.
So let us ask ourselves, is the guy not singing the praises of Him and calling Him Rab, in our case Waheguru Akal Purukh, of whom we are being reminded of His praises being sung?
Then why so much hatred? Is he inducing anyone to worship any other deity, or is he singing the praises of any other god or godess apart from Him? If not, then why to be so mentally rigid and act wickedly?
The problem is some have limited themselves as being bamawadee among hindus , thus we read the Bani as parrots, but we fail to understand what it says, we have become so mecahnical, thus we fail in being humans and use our hearts and minds to absorb the teachings of the Bani.
When I heard the guy singing, I was overwhelmed, I said to myself, my God Waheguru, you are so great, you are beyond description, your praises are infinite and are very dear to my heart.
Keeping only this in mind, I felt like sharing with the sangat here, not knowing that some few people induced by one particular member and the chamcha, would propagate so much of nonsense and hatred, that also, due to personal ego, instead of seeing His praises sung by the singer. Which is all that should matter, as seen in the pangti above of Sree Guru Ram Das Maharaj.
Lucky Jee, you know me since a long time, here and on the other forum, and you know that never ever I can do anything which may go agianst Sikhee, rather I want all the sangat, all the world and the universe, to be blessed with the truth, wealth and beauty of Gurbani, which is beyond any parallel.
SSA.
Daas was thinking for a few days now about if someone on this forum site has had any experience with there soul leaving the body and travelling whilst sitting in samadhi with eyes closed.
Daas read in Sant Baba Harnam Singh Ji Rampurkhera Wale jeevani that it can happen as Baba Ji were a puran mahapursh.
As Daas has seen topics written on Anhad Shabad,Dasam Daur etc it would be interesting to mention this as real life experience would be great to hear like fellow site veers as @DeNiro @Lucky @Sat1176 @ragnarok
Here is a mention of the two saakhis about Baba Ji of how they travelled with their aatma soul and a list of books mentioned where a yogi is mentioned who actually did vist a city whilst sitting in samadhi.
Also Bhai Sahib Bhai Veer Singh Ji wrote in Uchay Khandaan
De Kautak” (Miracles of higher dimensions), Pyaray da Pyara (Lover’s lover) and
Raja Shiv Nabh Singh about these happenings.
Glad you paid attention to some older posts.
ਜਬ ਭਗਤਿ ਕਰਹਿ ਸੰਤ ਮੰਡਲੀ ਤਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹ ਮਿਲਿ ਹਰਿ ਗਾਵਉ ॥
Jab bẖagaṯ karahi sanṯ mandlī ṯinĥ mil har gāva▫o.
When the galaxy of Saints worship the Lord in devotion, I join them, singing the Glorious Praises of the Lord.
ਕਰਉ ਨਮਸਕਾਰ ਭਗਤ ਜਨ ਧੂਰਿ ਮੁਖਿ ਲਾਵਉ ॥੩॥
Kara▫o namaskār bẖagaṯ jan ḏẖūr mukẖ lāva▫o. ||3||
I bow in reverence to the humble devotees, and apply the dust of their feet to my face. ||3||
Here, one is to walk and tread on the path that the sant's themeselves have walked. This is meaning of pangti "kara-o namashkar bhagat jan, dhur mukh lava-o" . SIt and do bhagti with them, but then you will need to move on and go further. They are there to guide you and know you're the pardesi from dharamsala.. It's an avastha, but at this avastha one also has opportunity to get Aatmic gyan from certain points in deep simran.
You know what Bhai ji, I hear what you are saying above, but it does seem that you have totally missed out the role of the gora establishment in consistently covering up for these perverts.
As for the dude asking why we have the ability to sin, after which we get punished. You may think you don't want to be punished, but in my opinion everyone gets what they want out of life. Most times you sin you do it out of masochistic tendencies, trying to punish yourself.
There is no good or bad; right or wrong. You reap what you sow. 'Getting punn' is not an aim in itself, we need to transcend punn and paap. There is always a caveat, there is no black and white dichotomy between the two.
Whatever is in the mind, comes forth; spoken words by themselves are just wind.
He sows seeds of poison, and demands Ambrosial Nectar. Behold - what justice is this? ||2||
- Satguru Angad Maharaj
When Neo bhaji says that "Things we did in our mind does NOT get bad karma, but seeds gets sowed........"
Isn't the seed also a form of fruit (good or bad) because the seeds will force us to do either Good or Bad........e.g If we think about bad for someone, then we create a seed in our subconscious mind which in turn will compel us to do something wrong......same way, if we think of good for someone, then we create a good seed in our subconscious mind which in turn will compel us to do something good.............in other terms our "Free Will" will be effected because of our mind thoughts..........and if this is the case, then surely mind thoughts does carry fruit (either good or bad).
Another thing is that doing the karmas by mind may also land us into mind problems in the coming years or janams.......e.g some persons are always in tension, worry, negative thoughts, negative attitude, no peaceful mind etc........All these problems are due to the previous bad Mind thoughts............To some extend we can say that karma done physically has different level of punishment or rewards vs the karmas done through the mind......but anything that our Mind thinks does carry punishment or reward.......it could be in the form of peaceful mind (reward for good mind thoughts), or tension (punishment for bad mind thoughts), or good/bad seeds our subconscious mind etc. etc.
Good karma and Bad Karma are NOT something like good and bad based upon the physical aspect.......Good karma are those which help us to leave ego and get merge with GOD......and Bad karma are those who keeps us away from the GOD.
Well, what are your tastes I do not care. I write and post what I think is good and feel sharing it, I do not write to please anyone.
Ok?
I have told you many times, widen your horizons a bit, you are not the center of the world, so that all has to revolve as per your thinking and likes.
Accept people as they are, nobody is perfect, and you even less... So stop being so negative.
Had you paid attention a bit to the wordings, you would have realized that it is nothing but seeking His help and guidance.
In fact inspiring words with deep meaning are more valuable, music as in this case is secondary.
So, is that in any way wrong or bad?
For your kind information, the word kirtan, or kirtana, means ‘telling, narrating, enumerating or describing’ and originates from the Vedic period, and that is exactly what the singer is doing, communicating with the Almighty.
You may not have good vibes towards me, and I understand and accept it, but so do I towards you...
I do not like 99.99% of your posts, yet I respect your freedom, and do not wait for a chance to point out.
I let you be as you are, for hardly anyone can change anyone.
Mooorakh jee, just mature up by accepting things as they are taste wise, thinking wise, and do not be so judgemental.
Hope you have understood.
Respect and tolerance is the key.
Stay blessed.
SSA.
Waheguru Ji
Please see this website as it documents that this has been going on for a long time.
http://www.aurangzeb.info/search?updated-max=2008-06-04T14:37:00%2B05:30&max-results=200&m=1
Example
35. Destruction of sixty-three Temples at Chittor
On Monday, the 22nd February /1st Safar, the Emperor went to see Chittor fort; by his order sixty-three (63) Temples of the place were destroyed.
Note:
The temple architecture at Chittor had attained a high level of excellence and it suffered an irreparable loss on the occasion of Aurangzeb’s visit to the Fort. A number of these temples were fine specimens of temple architecture, built according to the cannons of Vastu and Shilpa-Shastra, and having exquisite sculptured figures, foliage decorations, decorative motifs, some even dating back to the 8th century, such as the Kalika Mata or Sun Temple. Among the Temples which suffered damage were also those built by Maharana Kumbha, such as Kumbha Shyam Temple.
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