sukrit kaur

Baba Kehar Singh Ji did sewa of keertan with Baba Nand Singh Ji & Baba Ishar Singh Ji Kaleran at Nanaksar Jagraon. He always said that he would leave his body while doing keertan.
One morning, 3 am , he sat on the vaaja, had his hands on the harmonium, bowed down his head , and then left this physical body to reside in the charan kamal of Guru Nanak.

I dont know why ,but that made me LOL.As I think,This is the True Maya/illusion.This is a Big trap of Kal to deciet a soul by creating doubts.When such question arises in anyone's mind,leads to doubting the stature of true Brahmgyani.Why the most of souls like me are still wandering in search of a true satpursh.? This is the main reason.Maya has created a such trap,a such network that we become so suspicious and our minds start doubting every object.Only, with grace of waheguru,this is understandable.When a TRUE BRAHMGYANI shows his mercy,then the lucky one is true winner of this game and then he can well understand the reality.But Then he becomes silent.Silent in name of God! And still it's a puzzle for others.

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If I was you I would visit Darbar Sahib...just to satisfy the doubt in mind..
But rest is upto you.

Regarding your questions 1 and 2. I beleive question and answers discourse by sant darshan singh ji dhakki wale will help clarify: 3. Good question, very first birth was due to ignorance of this jiv that he/she separate from creation, from that point our perception of reality start getting divided/fragmented to doership/actions/karams- different types of karam-rebirths due to karam-good or bad/desires relative realities etc.-
3 a) Kaal can control our karamic cycle if we keep identify ourselves with body and mind- relative realities then there is reincarnation, life, death, hell or heaven whole karma cycle. However, once we identify ourselves/realize ourselves to be God's light our soul- unconfined unconditioned jot(pure awareness/consciouness) we step out of these relative realities/reincarnation/karam/rebirth and into absolute truth/reality where kaal does not exist, only AKAAL - Timeless exist-eternal. 4. Thats true if you would want to look it that way. However, from absolute sach(truth) point of view which is true(Sat-tat gyan) that bhramgyan inherently present in everyone already, already expressing itself in everyone, but ego/ignorance in us(separate I) is hiding it once veil of ego is removed once we realize our source and once we accept full recognition of our absolute truth then all there is Bhramgyan, nothing else. 5 .Dukh/Sukh are both related to body/egoic conditioned mind its part of thoughts. But gurbani says- man tu jot saroop hai, apna mool painchain - O mind, you are divine knowledge light recnognize your root.Realize our jot saroop- our real nature is of achal morat (thoughtless beings state above from thoughts its afur avastha- forne tu rehat) then relative realities/various karams will cease to exist as there are no karams in absolute truth, karams are only here in realtive truth/maya. Sukhmani sahib 21st asthpadati describes this tat gyan very beautifully, end of all games. sant gyani gurbachan singh ji bhindranwale when talking about 21st ashtpadi called the final state- bhramgyan parloa (destruction of ignorance into bhramgyan).

I dont know why ,but that made me LOL.As I think,This is the True Maya/illusion.This is a Big trap of Kal to deciet a soul by creating doubts.When such question arises in anyone's mind,leads to doubting the stature of true Brahmgyani.Why the most of souls like me are still wandering in search of a true satpursh.? This is the main reason.Maya has created a such trap,a such network that we become so suspicious and our minds start doubting every object.Only, with grace of waheguru,this is understandable.When a TRUE BRAHMGYANI shows his mercy,then the lucky one is true winner of this game and then he can well understand the reality.But Then he becomes silent.Silent in name of God! And still it's a puzzle for others.

wow just found the perfect answer for silver cord as per Gurbani:

Page 228, Line 18
ਡੋਲੁ ਬਧਾ ਕਸਿ ਜੇਵਰੀ ਆਕਾਸਿ ਪਤਾਲਾ ॥੬
Dol baḏẖā kas jevrī ākās paṯālā. ||6||
Like the bucket tied to the rope in the well, you are pulled up to the Akaashic Ethers, and then lowered down to the nether regions of the underworld. ||6||
Guru Nanak Dev - view Shabad/Paurhi/Salok

There are many references to rope....this might be the silver cord you are witnessing.
Search for rope and you will find many references.
enjoy

It is very easy to talk like a Brahamgyani, but very hard to walk the talk.

We need to stay in our human limits. That is why, maryadas were made. Obviously, when one reaches Brahamgyan, then it is a completely different story.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Paapiman:

quote:

'But, I would like to see Gursikh females show utmost respect to the Gursikh males (treat them as devtay).'

unquote


is this utmost respect limited only to females or it also includes males( treating wives as God)? Why you are dodging the answer by including mother? Forget the mother scenario for a while.

Paapiman ji,

let's say both meaning are right,

She who looks upon husband as lord,
or
She who looks upon lord as husband

You are still stuck with Akhri arth, in this tuk Guru ji is not certifying that a woman is below any male,

I have forgotten the exact shabad may be someone in Sangat knows : it goes like this:

"Sakhi parmaarth mahapurkh, updesh sabhna layee sanjha"

meaning, Mahapurkhs, when they use some allegorical reference, it is meant for all, and it always have a broader meaning. So, in the above Tuk, Guru ji is not addressing to sikh-females but to the "Soul-bride", technically speaking, a Soul-bride is both male and female, it signifies the intent of a person must be true, it means even a male with true love for Waheguru ji can be Sati.

Veer, there is nothing wrong in retreating, Kindly end this behas. This behas will end only if you decide one basic thing, ask yourself, then let sangat know

1) do you believe Rehat Maryada says "women are lower than males"?

2) Forget the interpretations you have made of Rehat MAryada, do you personally believe a woman is lower than any male?

3) Out of Love and respect, are you willing to bow to your wife, even if it is not mentioned in Rehat Maryada?

@satkirin bhen ji, I think it's all his grace to differentiate right or wrong.I think Paapiman is trying to express his views in a different manner.Biasing is not the solution.we can't change anyone's views.
Acc to Gurbani ,Akal Purkh is the only Nar-Male and everybody else is called a NARI-female. Now,this Doesnt mean any gender difference or so as pointed out by us nor does it mean any superiority of one gender over the other.
Our beliefs are based on worldly definitions ,not based on divinity.Sikhi doesn't mean to follow a set of rules laid down by some man made committees or organisations.(Here I'm not attacking any particular one). When we start doing Naam Kamai,then we start understanding Gurbani in the true perspective.
As talking about equality of men and women,Women have given many Human Rights.But As a true Sikh,we Beliebve GURBANI.It's our duty to abide the teachings of Gurbani.
Guru Nanak Patsah has said There are no differences between men and women.The following phrases are well explaining the fact:
Purk mih Nwir Nwir MIH Purk bujhu brahm IgawnI(woman is in man,and man is in woman,only great intellectuals can understand this phenomenon)
Acc to science,presence of X chromosome in woman from father,explains man in woman.and presence of X chromosome in man from mother explains woman in man.and combination of both X puts responsibility on woman,since she is the mother of humanity of future.

Guru Nanak Patsah has highest praise for women and also has indicated her importance in raising the humanity:

Bhand Jamiye BHand nimiye Bhand Mangan viahh,
Bhandau hove Dosti BHandau chaley Rah
Bhand MuA bhand bhaleeye Bhand hovey Bandaan
So kyo manda akhiiye jit jammey Rajan
Bhandai Hi Bhand UPJay Bhandau Bhaaj na koye
Nanak Bhandey Bahara eko sacha soye
(From woman,man is born;within woman man is conceived, to woman he is engaged and married.Through woman,generations come.when his woman dies,he seeks other woman,to woman he is bound.So why call her bad?from her,Kings are born.from woman ,woman is born,without woman no one at all.O Nanak,only a true lord is without a woman)

One of the strongest argument of opposing force is Menstrual cycle.Guru Nanak patsah says menstruation doesnt make a woman polluted,since it's a natural and necessary process of woman's physiology:
Jive Joru sirNAavnaey aavey vaaro Vaar(as a woman has her periods month after month)
Juthey jutha Mann vasey,nit nit hoye khuaar(so does the falsehood dwell in the mouth of false, they suffer forever again and again.)
Suchey Aihey Na Aakhiye behan je pinda dhoye(They are not called pure,who merely sit after washing their bodies)
Suchey seyI Nanaka ,jin mann vaseya soye(only they are pure,within whose minds the lord abides)

Sutak kyo kar rakhiye sutak pavey Rasoye(How can it be protected from impurity,it touches our own kitchen)
Nanak Sutak aaev Na uttrey,gyan uttarey dhoye(o Nanak,impurity can only be washed with spiritual wisdom)

So there is no difference between Men and women.Both are ought to respect each other .Husband-Wife relationship is a spiritual relation.Both need to respect each other.Guru sahib respected their wives a lot and same did the wives.
We can't question anyone's particular views on this relationship.No doubt ,Wives MUST respect their husbands and Husbands should do so.I think to just bias over the topic is not worthwhile.One who will disrespect the guru's order,will be punished for his mistake.
If a wife is respecting her husband with all efforts,then she is well doing her karam. And yes it's duty of a wife.On contrary,if husband is not doing so,then he is too conducting his karam.
I think we should stop the discussion Now!

source: Discourse on beyond II

~ Know your Real Self ~


First descended from Waheguru (God), a transparent ray, the conscious reality, which combing with nature took the epithet of living being. Round this ray, spread a mini globe- like substance, and the ray became resplendent. This state has been termed as the first separation (isolation) of atma(soul) from god(paratma) and has been called the sheath of bliss. After this, with the coming of thinking, one automatically moves into second circle of Maya (illusion). This is Miracle of Intellect. It was named the intellect of sheath. Descending lower still, there awakened the idea of making some achievement of producing something new. Affections and allurements brought this being under their control and pushed him into countless programmes, which are ever-expanding, so that the chain is never broken. The state of mind has been called the mental sheath. One was caught in the circle of resolution and repudiation. Beyond this stage, the cosmic energy pushed it still further down and called it the circle of power or the vital sheath. This power was born out of the relationships of the illusion. After this, it assumed some form and went on assuming different forms. As Guru Maharaj has ordained-

For several births thou became a worm and a moth.
In several birth thou wert an elephant, a fish and a deer.
In several births thou became a birth and a snake.
In several births thou were t yoked as a horse and a ox. SGGS JI- 176.

This cirlce of different bodies is called "Annmayee Kosh". Kosh the sheath of food.

In this way, this pure consciousness (drop) went on amassing around it tendencies towards illusions. It forgot its real nature and completely lost thought of the fact as to Who I am, and wherefrom I have come. Not recognizing oneself as the pure (divine) light, one started looking on oneself as just the body, which is made of five elements which is subject to all sorts of ills. The wise called this circle as sheath of food. It forsook it's real state of supreme happiness and considering oneself as the being of dust, it from the time immortal, has been going through the circle of births and deaths and has been experiencing untold miseries. He has been weeping and crying and lamenting. He does not realize how could he reunited with his original source(God), Who is all truth, all super consciousness and never ending bliss; and return to his original stage. So caught in miseries, he keeps on lamenting.

The seers, the prophets, the saints and sages, philosophers, and those who have known the secrets of the Divine have told man many supernatural ways to the real true path. These prophets having coming out of the source of all purity appeared in the most holy forms. They by their saying gave to man the gospel of vedas and puranas, bible and holy writ all of which assumed their loftiest form in the shape of Siri Guru Granth Sahib.

The fifth emperor of the world Guru Arjan Dev has commanded thus, to free his being from the circle of world of woe-

Sing the praise of the lord, O friendly saints, with alertness and single mindedness. SGGS JI - 295

This is a very simple path, treading on which man, over coming countless obstacles one can merge into his real self, which is all light. To achieve this goal, concentration of mind is extremely necessary. So long as one does not know how to achieve concentration of mind, that long all his prayers and other efforts remain fruitless. There are some tendencies of mind, which do not allow one to achieve concentration of mind. Of these, the first tendency is named Mentality of Evidence.

1. Mentality of Evidence (Parman Birthi/Regarding the outward world as the Supreme reality)- Whatever is the spread that is visible, they may be children, wife, parents, one's own body the different relationships of the bodies, friends, enemies, things that brings joys or sorrows remaining engrossed in all these things is termed Mindset of evidence. To withdraw the mind from this world of sights and sounds seems extremely difficult. Till one gets the guidance of a perfect Guru, one cannot be liberated from this visible world. Guru Maharaj's sermon is-

All that is seen, shall go not with thee, O Man. So abandon thou thy self-conceit and worldly attachment SGGS Ji- 1230

This being knows that he is not to stay in this world for all time, nor are sons and daughters, wife, parents eternal in the world, yet when one of them dies, he is over-whelmed with unbearable grief at their separation and can't rise above this slush.

2. The reverse mindset ( viparje birthi)- The second type of mentality is named the Reverse Mindset. In this stage, everything appears the opposite of what it is; things non-existent appear to have existed, and things existing seem non-existing. It is like the example of a traveling in summer through the desert, where man being tortured by thirst is desperately in need of water to quench his thirst. In the desert land, he has mirage that a river over-flowing with cold water is flowing at some distance from him. This deception seems to give to him some feeling to be a true fact. But when he reaches that place, he finds nothing there. It was just a mirage. Similarly, everyday he sees the world with his eyes and hears it with his ears and regards this outward world as full truth.

Before our very eyes, this world is seen passing away. SGGS JI - 325

Still he regards the world as a true reality. On the other hand Waheguru Ji, who is omnipresent and is immanent everywhere-

Wherever I see, there I see him present. He, my master, is never far from any place.
O my soul, ever remember him, who is contained in everything. SGGS Ji- 677

In the earth, in the sky
There pervades a light in all.
It can't be added to, nothing can be subtracted from it.
It permits no change (Akal Ustati, Siri Dasam Granth).


According to this holy write, inside and outside, all is full of good. With his power, go on the entire operation of the world; with the power of his name, the world appears, man regards this all pervading spirit as untrue. There is not trace of doubt in such a person. He feels that the world around him is all truth and God, who is All-perfection, spread all-round in the Universe is untrue. This mentality is called opposite Mindset. Guru Maharaj makes reference to it-

This world is the mountain of smoke.
What thought has made thee deem it real? SGGS Ji- 1187.

3. The sleeping mentality (niranda birthi)- The third type of mentality is called sleeping mindset. Man knows all and reads all, still he keeps lost under the power of sleep. This stage of forgetting the Reality is called the sleeping mentality.

4. Alternative Mentality (vikalp birthi)- The four kind is named Alternative mentality. Man does small good acts such as giving charity, the recitation of the bani and holy singing, and with the aid of these small items, he has hope of great fruit. In other words, under the influence of this mentality, one feels the great effect of desires. Little service and alternative mentality does not allow the mind to achieve full concentration in the prayers to God.

5. Remembering Mentality (Simriti Birthi)- The fifth type is the Remembering Mentality. When a person begins prayer and obeisance to God, when he starts recitation of the gospel, and when he tries to unite his consciousness with God's name, he has memories of long-forgotten things. This memory mindset does not allow him to offer prayers whole heartedly; his reading of the holy texts won't bear fruit.

Try to understand this fact by means of a parable. When Guru Nanak, the emperor of the world, while bathing in the Bein River plunged into water and came out after three days, he was repeating only one saying-

I am Neither a Hindu, Nor a Muslim.
My body and soul belong to Him, who is called God of Muslims and the lord of Hindus. SGGS Ji- 1136

Where did I say so? Show me! I just said the gurbani's tukh was really interpreted and that somehow was showing a wrong message.Targetting my ownself,I said so.Just think,If I were not little aware of it,then following the message as your post gave(to LOVE the husband as sati did),would lead me to a wrong path,definitely to the world of MOH MAYA.I'm not talking about Bowing/respect here.To show respect is a different matter,but to love someone as much as Sati did,is totally a form of Moh Maya.In my view,Yes It's obligation of both partners to respect each other and to show solidarity in each situation,but to love Husband/Wife as SATEE did,is not right.Just imagine,If she would have loved God instead of her husband,then She would be much and much fortunate and that would be the real source of satisfaction. Satisfaction of love! That was just my view.I wrote I'm not sure,cause I was not a Brahmgyani.Even ,I dont want to think/talk about it.It's like a flea of gutter talking about Nectar of richest orchids. So,I just wanted to discuss the tuk .That was a kind of question to the sangat.And I'm not interested in doing bias over it.here,fiction is really not my idea!

I strongly agree with the translations forwarded by Satkirin jee.

Saints at different times have tried to explain the relation between a soul and the Lord with different relationships. Christ , described that relation, just as a one between a son and his father; Sree Ramakrishna as the one of a son and mother, and among others including our Guru Sahibans, is the one of a wife and her husband.

The strings which pull the both ends in all these relations, are absolute love and faith. That´s it. So let us not misunderstand the Bani. If a woman is attached to her husband physically, or the husband is attached to wife or any other worldy relations, it means, we are still in agyanta, because these relations create karmas, for which we shall have to come back one day to settle them, as a giver or a taker...

It is only, when we love Wahiguru, just as woman may love her husband, without looking here or there and due to the pull of His Love, we are constantly absorbed in Him.

So then naturally, what will happen?

Our true unconditional love for Him, will take us to His Darbar. This is what the two gyanis above are trying to tell us in their interpretations.

Worldly love, is an hindrance in our spiritual goal, divine love for Wahiguru, is the cause of our true freedom from the mayavee creation, and at same time, of our union or merging in Him.

We sholud love and interact with the world, only to the extent of adjusting and paying off our past karmas. Just as a maid, goes to work, but she in her innermost knows, that she has her own true home, where she has her children, husband or parents, and there she has to go at end of the day.

In a similar way, we are here because, from some we have to take, to others we have to give; all this, we must gladly perform our duties, as sons, daughters, spouses, etc....but knowing that, all this will be left behind one day, and the only Truth remaining in the end is Wahiguru Akal Purukh.

So it is unto Him, whom we should give all our hearts, minds and souls, and in return we shall get unbound grace, mercy and love ....

The Bani beauifully says:
"Bhaee parapt manukh deh hureeya, Gobind milan kee yeh taeree bareeya"
or
"bahut janam vichuretey Madao, ehe janam tumareh lekhey"


Bani hae Guru, Guru hae Bani.
Sat Sree Akal.

Look at the flow of supreme consciousness of satguru gobind singh ji in jaap sahib, akaal ustat its literally going (bowing, paying respect) as unconfined, limitless, boundless, spaceless, unconditioned , pure cognitive flow without any fixation on specific form.

Maharaj is bowing, respecting (jale hari thale hari- god god everywhere and in everything) to god's creation where there is no distinction left between creator and creation. Wive, husband, kids, animal kingdom entire human race, inanimate objects everything comes under.

This is unified non dual -advait bowing/respect which spontenously naturally arises in one awakened consciousness which is shown by maharaj in jaap sahib, akaal ustat is ultimately acceptable in Gurmat which is unconfined, limitless, boundless, spaceless, unfixated on specific form. This is ultimately acceptable in Gurmat which is arisen very naturally spontaneously arisen from awakened consciousness.

Any conditioned confined/ritualistic bowing without pure cognitive perception can easily become empty ritual or dogmatic type bowing falls right in pakhand/karam kaand bowing which is rejected in Gurmat.

We bow to sri guru granth sahib ji because sri guru granth sahib ji is eternal limitless live gyan guru personified (Eternal gyan expressed in ink, pen, paper, binding) not because of its only outside structure/external qualities.

What I think about the meaning of shabad is little different.
As per my thinking,Gurbani focuses on one's true love only and only towards satnaam/parbrahm/almighty/satguru.Gurbani is the key/way to liberate the soul from Trap of Moh.I think to show infinite love towards any human being whether a wife or husband,brother or sister ,anyone is totally against the true message of Gurbani.So,how can Gurbani encourage to show infinite love towards spouse.
Here,I think SATEE is the soul(as female) irrespective of gender.So guru sahib says Kaho Nanak jin preyo parmeshar kar janea, means the one (as a female soul) who loves her True husband (satpursh/waheguru) as the greatest mighty 'ALMIGHTY' is the true satee.Here The wife is soul( begging for meeting his beloved one),Husband his True pursh and is referred as ' PARMESHAR' ,The supreme Soul/waheguru.
So such Loving soul is the true Satee,and she is blessed one ,and gets honor in the court of akal purkh.
So,Gurbani tells to love only one being,not to show love or get trapped in moh maya with husband,wife or any thing else.
Gurbani warns us to leave all worldy affections.So such Husband -wife affection as that Satee had,is too a form of MoH maya.Gurbani is against it.
(May be I'm wrong.Please do correct me If I do so!)
Gur fateh!

You are REALLY trying to drag that one misinterpreted tuk as justification to subordinate women and put them beneath men arent you?? Why are you so concerned about "putting women in their place" anyway??

Here are two translations... I will edit and add the rest later. I have about 10 different translations and ALL say see God as Husband... not see husband as God. Because I already showed you wehre it says God is equally in ALL of us. So having this one tul by istefl trying to subordinate women beneath men or to sugegst that only women should see men as God and not the other way around goes against rest of Gurbani! We are to ALL see God in EVERYONE!



Bhai Manoman Singh Translation:

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਉ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥
Kaho Nānak jin pari▫o parmesar kar jāni▫ā.
Say Nanak, She who looks upon the Supreme Lord as her Spouse,

ਧੰਨੁ ਸਤੀ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਰਵਾਨਿਆ ॥੪॥੩੦॥੯੯॥
Ḏẖan saṯī ḏargėh parvāni▫ā. ||4||30||99||
is the blessed chaste wife, and she becomes acceptable in God's court.



Dr Sant Singh Khalsa Translation:

ਕਹੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਜਿਨਿ ਪ੍ਰਿਉ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਕਰਿ ਜਾਨਿਆ ॥
Kaho Nānak jin pari▫o parmesar kar jāni▫ā.
Says Nanak, she who looks upon the Transcendent Lord as her Husband,
ਧੰਨੁ ਸਤੀ ਦਰਗਹ ਪਰਵਾਨਿਆ ॥੪॥੩੦॥੯੯॥
Ḏẖan saṯī ḏargėh parvāni▫ā. ||4||30||99||
is the blessed 'satee'; she is received with honor in the Court of the Lord. ||4||30||99||


And... have you ever thought the possibility that even if you twist it backwards like you have... that its still not talking about PHYSICAL WOMEN. It's speaking to the feminine soul... SOUL BRIDES concept. Because the only true male is God and rest of us are referred to as female in Gurbani!

The 'SHE' spoken of in the line in your above interpretation would still not mean a 'physical woman' but instead would mean soul bride....Which ALL OF US are....male and female alike!!!! So then it would apply to you too!

We should ALL consider our Husband to be God. (not our physical husband) but ALL of us should consider our true spouse to actually be God. We (all of us male and female) are soul BRIDES, and GOD is the Husband Lord. Because ultimately our souls relation to God is our true marriage.

It still wouldn't be an instruction for a physical woman to see her physical husband as God!

What I think about the meaning of shabad is little different.
As per my thinking,Gurbani focuses on one's true love only and only towards satnaam/parbrahm/almighty/satguru.Gurbani is the key/way to liberate the soul from Trap of Moh.I think to show infinite love towards any human being whether a wife or husband,brother or sister ,anyone is totally against the true message of Gurbani.So,how can Gurbani encourage to show infinite love towards spouse.
Here,I think SATEE is the soul(as female) irrespective of gender.So guru sahib says Kaho Nanak jin preyo parmeshar kar janea, means the one (as a female soul) who loves her True husband (satpursh/waheguru) as the greatest mighty 'ALMIGHTY' is the true satee.Here The wife is soul( begging for meeting his beloved one),Husband his True pursh and is referred as ' PARMESHAR' ,The supreme Soul/waheguru.
So such Loving soul is the true Satee,and she is blessed one ,and gets honor in the court of akal purkh.
So,Gurbani tells to love only one being,not to show love or get trapped in moh maya with husband,wife or any thing else.
Gurbani warns us to leave all worldy affections.So such Husband -wife affection as that Satee had,is too a form of MoH maya.Gurbani is against it.
(May be I'm wrong.Please do correct me If I do so!)
Gur fateh!

There has been long talk of yoga in west, most of times many westerns have little clue of true meaning of yoga.

Here is the hilarious video of yoga. Absolutely epic..!!!



Anyway, here is the real true essence meaning of yoga in three words:

Yoga Chit Vrithi Nirodha - Yoga Sutra -Patanjali

yogaḥ = (nom. sg. m. from yoga) yoga
citta = (iic.) all that is mutable in human beings; thoughts
vṛtti = (iic.) thought-wave; mental modification; mental whirlpool; a ripple in the chitta. A vritti alters perception like a misconception, or as waves on the surface of a pond obscure or distort our view of the bottom.

nirodhaḥ = (nom. sg. m. from nirodha) to find tranquility; to control/Ceasation of chita vrithi(thoughts/mental thought waves) leaving one in yoga- absolute union

It is always amazing when simple threads spontaneously turn into a weath of great spiritual knowledge, sharing the universal truthes, cross-referencing via different sources leading to One Truth.

Waheguru ...

Yes you are right veer ji.Guru sahib and Guru Baani is the answer of everything,but still some ppl like me are too ignorant.There are many shabads in Gurbani,which talk about hell and jamdoots.(BTW ,Video was veryyyy much frightening) May Guru Nanak patsah shows his divine blessings upon us by opening of tenth gate and we get sehaj anand as per tuk:

Adisatt Agochar Parbrahm,Mil saadu Akathh kathaya tha(the supreme lord is imperceptible and unfathomable; and on meeting the holy saint I speak the unspoken speech)
Anahad Shabad Dasam Dwar Vajeo,Teh Amrit Naam CHuaaya tha(the unstruck sound current of shabad vibrates nad resounds in the tenth gate and ambrosial nectar trickles down there)

I think we are too lucky,for having birth with such wisdom to differentiate between good and bad & Gurbani is the most precious and biggest gift of Almighty.May waheguru Ji makes our lives worthwhile and every loving soul reach the destination ,they are looking for.
WAH-HE-GURU!!
Milabae Ki Mehma Baran Na saaku,Nanak Parae PAreela(The great honour of meeting the lord cant be described;O Nanak its infinite and beyond measure)

PART 4:
The question was what happens to the souls without NAAM ,so here is the answer.
When death arrives,any disease can be the reason.Death comes by any cause.some say heart stops working,some say this nd that.No death without any cause.
When Soul leaves the body,swaas stops.The consciousness leaves the body too.
When rooh starts leaving pind(region below eyes),and comes in ANDD(above palate region .Body dies in a sequential manner just like destruction of universe/sarishti.
So when death arrives,first of all GUDDA CHAKKAR gets destroyed,here is the element of land.Prithvi chakkar meets Indri chakkar,so water dissolves the land(soil)here.Then NABI chakkar,with element of fire.when Indri chakra breaks,it meets the Nabi chakra nd Fire dries the water.above it ,is the HIRDA CHAKKAR,or shiv chakkar,here is the element of air.when Nabi chakra breaks,then air destroys fire and air meets akash.Now atma comes in ANDD.
When death arrives,entire consciousness comes in ANDD and the reward of all birth's karams comes in mind/budhhi.Next birth is based on this..Without NAAM,everything is filth.So mind filled with filth ,gets caught by kaal.what an unfortunate soul! Came from sachkhand and going with Kaal.Now,Time for death and kaal is calling come here .here is the way,come here!
This is the condition when pran comes out of PINDD leaving Nine gates.
Guru is on right side and kaal on left side.There was no NAAM/Satguru ,so no one comes to save the soul.
Now ,No other way and a voice comes from upward COme here!nd the soul is in mouth of kaal!Only the true guru/NAam is the true saviour.Without NAAm,who will help you? No one!

When KAal chews the soul in his jaws,the water flows through eyes, and There is discharge of feces.Now, this time can't be described again.
All intestines are worthless.So this is the purpose of meditation/NAAM kamai/sharan of satguru.It is the only way to be safe from such severe pain.Without true NAAM,jaamdoots carries the soul by holding his ears.No one can help then.No brother,sister,mother,no one!only a true naam can save the soul.Now soul is in hands of jamdoots and the responsibility of family members ends.Now its the time to Take reward of karams.

(To be continued)

Would you like to tell us a little about your enlightenment at age 16?

Some of my early chroniclers wrote that I got enlightened at 16. I said, what! But that has got stuck to my bio. I can’t put an age to it. I was just aware of the events that happened. I was maybe 12 when I heard a satsang in my neighbourhood. And I engaged into the wonderful conversation the mahatma was giving. He was talking about the varieties of joy that happen to us. He concluded by saying that everything comes like a bubble and goes away. Nothing is permanent. What we actually need is a permanent happiness.
That is when I started listening. Every evening the classes would happen. And one day he said, ‘Close your eyes.’ He never used the word of dhyana. I also sat. And when I opened my eyes, I was told it was a good four hours gone. Everyone had gone, and I was the only one sitting there. I was curious. Where did the four hours go? That was the question presented to the mahatma. He never answered me. He just embraced me. He said, “Keep on doing it.” That was the state of no-mind.

So you started meditating at 12?

We never called it meditation. The swami is teaching something and in all rapture, we listened. Then it just happens. Total sheer silence. Not even a ripple of thought. or of darkness in the mind. It is all gone. Like the sun coming out and the darkness is gone. The simplicity of the whole thing. I loved Rinzai’s answer. He was asked after enlightenment, what did you do? He said, ‘I stood up and had some tea.’ Our very being is the ultimate satchidananda. You don’t have to become it. You already are it.

We have to remove…

Nothing to remove

There is so much of rubbish inside…

It is a game of the mind. Let me put it like this. You are dreaming and you see yourself being followed by ghosts and demons. You are racing and racing, and you are hungry and tired. Then you wake up. What did you do to kill the demons? Nothing.

But when you are dreaming, the dream is very real.

Yes, as long as the dream is there. But the moment the dream is gone, either you wake up or somebody wakes you up. Once the sleep is gone, the whole scary mind-created world is gone. People say, what should we do, to become enlightened? Ask your mind to shut up

Not easy!

If you find it difficult, we will teach you yoga or something. This is what truth is. This is what untruth is. How much time does it take?

Waking up is instantaneous, but there is a long process that happens before that.

People love sleeping and people love dreaming. Who wants to wake up? That is the problem. Why do they crucify masters? Because they don’t want to wake up. They say, kill him. We love our dreams, desires, modifications of the mind. If truth was somewhere else, we could wait. If truth were at a distance we could walk to it, if truth were an object, we could have searched for it. But when I am the truth, how long should I wait for it? Nothing is required. You don’t have to move a finger. Whatever you are or however you are, in the very existence you are the Divine. That is it. I say you have chosen this darkness. Because to sleep you need darkness (laughs).

Excellent stuff Sukrit ji

Some very valuable information is there.
Whilst reading, It reminded me about the importance gurbani places on the 9 gates/openings and the 10th hidden dwar.
It is very much believed that the soul leaves the body through any of the 9 openings at death and people with sixth sense have witnessed this and sometimes even a physical incident occurs at the same time such as discharge from mouth, nose, feces... ears....

However, Guru Nanak ji has strongly advised the sikh to open the hidden 10th gate.... Seriously, we should work at making sure we leave via that hidden door and not any of the nine.


Also below is a very good foreign video about the jamdoots coming to get you and what happens.
I first saw it at a sikh camp because the depiction is very close to what gurbani says....and there are nearly 400 tuks that talk about the jamdoots--->and remember Gurbani is the Truth!

There is no permanent hell as such, but if you end up in this kind of place...you don't leave until you realise and awaken to all your wrongs and this also includes emotional attachment to maya.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=n8olHQMlBJo

Pen jee,
please do not rush.Take your time with ease.

Before you give us more meals(spiritual stuff) to eat, let us eat, savour, and digest the ones you have already given us ...

You too need time to cook and serve these spiritual dishes...lol ... so please, eat with us, that very food served by your kind hospitality....

Thank you once again.

Sat Sree Akal.