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ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੭॥੯॥

Gur Naanak Naanak Har Soe ||4||7||9||

गुरु नानकु नानकु हरि सोइ ॥४॥७॥९॥

Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||

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Raag Gond Guru Arjan Dev

We are not sargun saroop of akaal purkh or nirgun saroop of akaal purkh... Our goal is to merge ourselves to become one with nirgun saroop of akaal purkh..

Savinderpal singh,

Please read- zafarnama, off course we are all famliar with when all means have failed, its justifies to raise sword...Off course many right wing sikhs follow twisted version of this - its justifies to pick up sword to address all means

But read zafarnama deeply and feel it and come back to tell me if actions of these individuals who were beating reflect zafarnama sidhant of Guru Maharaj.

Some sakhis related to this context:

1. There was a masand, who used a gift (cloth) by a Sikh, for his own purpose. The only punishment he received, was that he was tied upside down from a tree.

2. Another sakhi, which is mentioned by Bhai Saab Bhai Vir Singh jee, is that of a person named Dulcha. This happened when the tenth master was very young. He had stolen gold bangles, sent by a Sikh for Satguru jee. He was forgiven by the lord.

3. Another sakhi, which is also mentioned by Bhai Saab Bhai Vir Singh jee, is that of a robber who stole Rs. 700 from a trader, at Anandpur Sahib. This thief was also forgiven by Satguru jee after he promised that he won't steal again.

4. There is another sakhi, regarding a Singh, who hit a dog with a stick, for no reason. Satguru jee was not happy with him and asked him to do certain number of paaths to get forgiven.

Therefore, the above four sakhis clearly illustrate the vast amount of forgiveness inside Satguru jee, We should try to follow his teachings.


I don't think bro, the law in Canada is fair, when it comes to rape, aggravated assault and pedophilia. It is not that bad, in other cases. If we had Khalsa raaj, I am pretty sure these crimes would be punished by death. In my opinion, these three crimes are worse than killing a person instantly.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I'll keep it brief.

Gurbani says Gurus are avtaars of God.

Start with this post -

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Done reading?

These are good questions -
1. Why Mool Mantra says God does not take birth or death (formless) and that all forms occur within God?

Ajuni means not limited to birth and death. He is not bound to Joon, any life form. He is beyond birth and death meaning He transcends life forms!

Bhagat Namdev ji says
ਧਨਿ ਧਨਿ ਤੂ ਮਾਤਾ ਦੇਵਕੀ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਗ੍ਰਿਹ ਰਮਈਆ ਕਵਲਾਪਤੀ ॥੨॥
Blessed are you (Krishan ji's) Mother Devaki, in your home the all-pervading Lord of Maya was born.

He still takes avtaars. He is not the physical shell of the Avtaar, He is the Avtaar Himself.

The Bhatts say
ਸਦ ਜੀਵਣੁ ਅਰਜੁਨੁ ਅਮੋਲੁ ਆਜੋਨੀ ਸੰਭਉ ॥
Guru Arjun you are All Life-forms, yet you trancend life forms (Ajuni), you are invaluable and self-existent.

(The Ajuni takes birth? Most sikhs gona have a heartattack at this point lol)

2. Why did Guru Nanak Dev Ji disappear for three days at the river where he was said to be in 'presence of' that divine and had the revelation revealed to him about reality... Of Which he wrote down as Mool Mantra?

Well the brain has to learn at some point for what purpose it was created. Even Ram Chandar ji learned he was God through a guru. The guru had to remind Him!

(That's why gurbani places so much stress on listening to the guru!)
3. Why he would claim that he is but a servant of God?

He said it
1. because he wants you to say it! Sikhs sing his shabads and repeat his words. Guru sahib wants to embed his teachings inside you.

2. because at that time, perhaps due to Muslim presence, it would have been problematic to say "I am God".
Saying "I am god" was largely misunderstood by most. People take it as a sign of hankar, rather than pure humility. So Guru Sahibs and other saints avoided that route.

Back then Krishan ji was able to tell Arjun that because Arjun was receptive to that idea. Arjun didn't misunderstand it and he was enlightened thereafter, when Krishan ji shows him what He looks like.

How can we acknowledge, self reflect, self improve grow as community if keep brushing many serious issues in community under the carpet ? Do you want us to become like many tribal muslims- who live in denial all day long to the point every constructive feedback from outsider or mystic elderly muslims seems like attack to them and claim Islamic phobias?

We should follow sikh character based on actual live gurbani/gurmat-religious-spiritual not some tribal culture-religious herd many community members follow.

ਸਭ ਤੇ ਵਡਾ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਜਿਨਿ ਕਲ ਰਾਖੀ ਮੇਰੀ ॥੪॥੧੦॥੫੭॥
Guru Nanak is the greatest of all; He saved my honor in this Dark Age of Kali Yuga. ||4||10||57||

The word 'ਵਡਾ' also means big. Who is the biggest of all - God; Who is God - Lord Guru Nanak.

ਬਾਣੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗੁਰੂ ਹੈ ਬਾਣੀ ਵਿਚਿ ਬਾਣੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਾਰੇ ॥
The Word, the Bani is Guru, and Guru is the Bani. Within the Bani, the Ambrosial Nectar is contained.

Guru is Bani.

ਵਾਹੁ ਵਾਹੁ ਬਾਣੀ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਹੈ ਤਿਸੁ ਜੇਵਡੁ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਕੋਇ ॥
Waaho! Waaho! is the Bani, the Word, of the Formless Lord. There is no other as great as He is.

Bani is God

Therefore, it can be proven from the above that, Guru is God.

Peace

ਆਪਿ ਨਰਾਇਣੁ ਕਲਾ ਧਾਰਿ ਜਗ ਮਹਿ ਪਰਵਰਿਯਉ ॥ आपि नराइणु कला धारि जग महि परवरियउ ॥ Āp narā▫iṇ kalā ḏẖār jag mėh parvari▫ya▫o. The Lord Himself wielded His Power and entered the world.
ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰਿ ਆਕਾਰੁ ਜੋਤਿ ਜਗ ਮੰਡਲਿ ਕਰਿਯਉ ॥ निरंकारि आकारु जोति जग मंडलि करियउ ॥ Nirankār ākār joṯ jag mandal kari▫ya▫o. The Formless Lord took form, and with His Light He illuminated the realms of the world.
ਜਹ ਕਹ ਤਹ ਭਰਪੂਰੁ ਸਬਦੁ ਦੀਪਕਿ ਦੀਪਾਯਉ ॥ जह कह तह भरपूरु सबदु दीपकि दीपायउ ॥ Jah kah ṯah bẖarpūr sabaḏ ḏīpak ḏīpā▫ya▫o. He is All-pervading everywhere; the Lamp of the Shabad, the Word, has been lit.
ਜਿਹ ਸਿਖਹ ਸੰਗ੍ਰਹਿਓ ਤਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਚਰਣ ਮਿਲਾਯਉ ॥ जिह सिखह संग्रहिओ ततु हरि चरण मिलायउ ॥ Jih sikẖah sangarahi▫o ṯaṯ har cẖaraṇ milā▫ya▫o. Whoever gathers in the essence of the teachings shall be absorbed in the Feet of the Lord.

It don't get any clearer than this -

ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥
In Satyug, You enjoyed deceiving and liberating King Bali in the Vaman avtar.

ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
In Treta, You loved being called King Ram, of the Raghu Dynasty.
ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥
In Dwapar, You, Krishan Murara, killed Kans and saved everyone.

ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥
You granted Kingship to Ugrasain and elevated your devotees.

ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
In Kaliyug, You came as Guru Nanak Dev, Guru Angad Dev and Guru Amardas.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥
The rule of Guru Sahibs is unchanging, unmovable, by His very command.

Guru Granth Sahib, 1390

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

There was a Gurmukh mother during the times of third master. She used to live in Afghanistan and she was married with one child. She used to come to have darshan of Maharaaj and do seva. People observed that she used to move her arm. When someone asked her, she informed him/her that she was moving the cot of her baby. People thought she was mastani in love of God. Once, Maharaaj called her and told her to explain herself. What used to happen was that, she used to live in Afghanistan, which is pretty far away from Punjab (if one is traveling by foot). It would be very hard for her to come everyday to have darshan of Maharaaj and do seva. Therefore, when she would be in Afghanistan, she would focus on the feet of the third master and she would reach Punjab in very less time (sort of time travel). Then, once all seva was done, she used to focus on the feet of her husband, to reach back Afghanistan in a very short period of time.

This sakhi shows us the tremendous power of pati-varta women.

P.S - Please don't start arguing over the authenticity of this sakhi. If someone does not want to believe in it, it's their choice. There is reference to time travel in Gurbani. The ability to move or pass something from one place to another, through the power of concentration in very less time.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Three more points regarding women.

Firstly, Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj decides to form his body inside a woman. Again, this gave honor to the women. He could have just appeared like Bhagwan Narsingh jee Maharaaj.

Secondly, the first woman to have darshan (also kirpa) of Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj was a woman, named Mata Daulatan.

Thirdly, the first Sikh is also a woman, which is Mata Bebe Nankee jee.

Great uplifting of women by Satguru jee from very low levels to great heights.

Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj.

Good points bro. But just want to add other sects which were started during the times of tenth master or before - Sevapanthi, Udhasi, Nirmalay (branches into Rara Sahib, Nanaksar, etc), etc.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I greatly appreciate your efforts in fighting for Sikh rights (even though you are a non-Indian in ancestry). You should be a role model for many Sikhs around the globe. All Sikh females should look upon you for inspiration.

Once again, thanks a lot for whatever you have done for the khalsa panth.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

He also said this
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Today, some Sikh women cannot fathom the greatness of Satguru jee as they have not lived in those time where women were treated so badly. There is an example of this in history.

There were two women,who listened to a katha and they were caught. It was decided to pour hot wax into their ears as they had broken the so-called laws.

Even Brahmin and Khatri women did not have certain rights, you can imagine the status of so-called low caste women (JYI- approximately more than 80% of today's Sikhs are derived from so-called lower castes like jatts, tarkhans, chamars, Chimbay, etc)

Bottom line - Women have been given optimum rights in Sikhism. Whatever was given to them during the times of Satguru jee was revolutionary. Some examples are listed below.

Today we see,

Sikh women are allowed to listen to Katha.

Sikh women can recite mantars (Women and Shudar people were not allowed to recite mantars)

Sikh women are allowed to listen to kirtan.

Sikh women are allowed to do seva in langar.

Sikh women are allowed to attain shaster videya.

Sikh women are allowed to attain shaastar videya.

Sikh women can be part of gurudwara committees.

Sikhism has done a lot to uplift the status of women.

Dhan Dhan Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj."

I know eh, everyone needs to calm down, our true nature is still achal morat as mountain pure still lake. just step back

Everybody just calm down

Sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale usually gave references to puratan rehitnamas when he quoted it. I know this because i am going through puratan japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale, lot of puratan granths and rehitnamas names are cited in the foot notes. so I am fairly certain he didn't lie on anything as far as scholarly citation academia is concerned.

Yes off course as i said earlier- Bhai dya singh ji in his rehtinama classify lifestyle of sikh in three different categories- gristhi(rajogun/satogun), behingum(satogun) and akaali nihang(rajogun/balance of satogun/tamas)-soorme to prevent sikhs falling from same pitfalls as many other dharamis sharia panthis have.

You just can't come here and say all this and not leave links or anything to back up these claims and expect us to find it our selves... If you say something you back it up... That's how this stuff works...
This is the stance of kakars according to damdami taksal http://www.damdamitaksaal.org/code-of-conduct#h3-10-five-kakkaars

Historical information aside, sant gyani gurbachan singh gurbani katha is top notch especially antriv arths(deep meaning arths) of gurbani.

Regarding the color red


ਸੂਹਾ ਰੰਗੁ ਵਿਕਾਰੁ ਹੈ ਕੰਤੁ ਨ ਪਾਇਆ ਜਾਇ ॥ सूहा रंगु विकारु है कंतु न पाइआ जाइ ॥ Sūhā rang vikār hai kanṯ na pā▫i▫ā jā▫e. The red color is vain and useless; it cannot help you obtain your Husband Lord.
ਇਸੁ ਲਹਦੇ ਬਿਲਮ ਨ ਹੋਵਈ ਰੰਡ ਬੈਠੀ ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਇ ॥ इसु लहदे बिलम न होवई रंड बैठी दूजै भाइ ॥ Is lahḏe bilam na hova▫ī rand baiṯẖī ḏūjai bẖā▫e. This color does not take long to fade; she who loves duality, ends up a widow.
ਮੁੰਧ ਇਆਣੀ ਦੁੰਮਣੀ ਸੂਹੈ ਵੇਸਿ ਲੋੁਭਾਇ ॥ मुंध इआणी दुमणी सूहै वेसि लोभाइ ॥ Munḏẖ i▫āṇī ḏummṇī sūhai ves lobẖā▫e. She who loves to wear her red dress is foolish and double-minded.
ਸਬਦਿ ਸਚੈ ਰੰਗੁ ਲਾਲੁ ਕਰਿ ਭੈ ਭਾਇ ਸੀਗਾਰੁ ਬਣਾਇ ॥ सबदि सचै रंगु लालु करि भै भाइ सीगारु बणाइ ॥ Sabaḏ sacẖai rang lāl kar bẖai bẖā▫e sīgār baṇā▫e. So make the True Word of the Shabad your red dress, and let the Fear of God, and the Love of God, be your ornaments and decorations.
ਨਾਨਕ ਸਦਾ ਸੋਹਾਗਣੀ ਜਿ ਚਲਨਿ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਭਾਇ ॥੨॥ नानक सदा सोहागणी जि चलनि सतिगुर भाइ ॥२॥ Nānak saḏā sohāgaṇī jė cẖalan saṯgur bẖā▫e. ||2|| O Nanak, she is a happy soul-bride forever, who walks in harmony with the Will of the True Guru. ||2||

Only an ignorant person can think that Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj procreated as humans and animals do.
Khalsa jee, do not try to apply ordinary human/animals activities to the Almighty. A person like me cannot even fathom the level of a Saint. Here we have Satguru jee who converted dacoits, perverts, robbers, murderers into saints. You guys can imagine the difference.

ਗੁਰਿ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਾ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵਹੁ ॥
गुरि कहिआ सा कार कमावहु ॥
gur kahi-aa saa kaar kamaavahu.
Do those deeds which the Guru has ordained.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਕਰਣੀ ਕਾਹੇ ਧਾਵਹੁ ॥
गुर की करणी काहे धावहु ॥
gur kee karnee kaahay Dhaavahu.
Why are you chasing after the Guru's actions?

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kaa Fateh

Only an ignorant person can think that Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj procreated as humans and animals do.
Khalsa jee, do not try to apply ordinary human/animals activities to the Almighty. A person like me cannot even fathom the level of a Saint. Here we have Satguru jee who converted dacoits, perverts, robbers, murderers into saints. You guys can imagine the difference.

ਗੁਰਿ ਕਹਿਆ ਸਾ ਕਾਰ ਕਮਾਵਹੁ ॥
गुरि कहिआ सा कार कमावहु ॥
gur kahi-aa saa kaar kamaavahu.
Do those deeds which the Guru has ordained.

ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਕਰਣੀ ਕਾਹੇ ਧਾਵਹੁ ॥
गुर की करणी काहे धावहु ॥
gur kee karnee kaahay Dhaavahu.
Why are you chasing after the Guru's actions?

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kaa Fateh

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Bro, the reason I said that one of the main functions of sexual relationship is to procreate, is because having sex for PLEASURE is a sin. I know it sounds very strict, but this is Gurmat. A Sikh can have sex with his wife only with the intention of getting a child. Now, sometimes the sexual act will have to be repeated in order to get the wife pregnant. The intention is the key.

*On a lighter note, Srimaan Sant Baba Nand Singh jee Maharaaj once told a person that a husband can have sex with his wife, a maximum of once a week. But, he also said that a Sikh should be brave and try to remain unmarried* (Celibate) which according to me indicates that the above statement was possibly made for ordinary people like me.
*Reference - Sri Nanaksar Stairs to God
Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Hindi is one of the languages used in Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj. It is used a lot in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj (Brij Bhasha is a dialect of Hindi).
Punjabi was in use even before the incarnation of God - Satguru Sri Guru Nanak dev jee Maharaaj in Punjab. Punjabi and Gurumukhi are two different terms. Satguru gave us a new script called Gurumukhi. One can write any language in that script.
Additionally, Shromani Bhagat Baba Kabeer jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi.
Bhagat Jaidev jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi.
Bhagat Ramanand jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi.
Bhagat Parmanand jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi.
Bhagat Soordaas jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi.
Bhagat Ravidas jee Maharaaj's Gurbanee is in Hindi.
That is why i believe that Hindi should be very dear to Sikhs. I seriously can't believe that some Sikhs seem to hate Hindi. Not only Hindi, but other languages like Urdu, Persain, Arabic, Sindhi, Marathi, etc(the ones used in Satguru Sri Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj) should all be respected greatly by Sikhs.
Additionally, not all Sikhs are Punjabi (they are majority though). There are Afghan Sikhs (mother tongue - Pashto), Sindhi Sikhs (mother tongue - Sindhi), North Indian Sikhs (mother tongue - Hindi), White Sikhs (mother tongue - English/Spanish), Kashmiri Sikhs (mother tongue - Kashmiri), etc. All these Sikhs have a right to be proud of their mother tongue and speak it proudly at Gurudwaras or anywhere else. Khalsa jee, if I am wrong, please let me know. Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh