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Brother next time include the Gurmukhi please. 

All right kids go into your rooms and stop being lil brats. im closing this topic.

I find this asthaan and dharti puja to be very worriying and a big reason why Sikhi has never spread outside Punjab.
When Guru Angad was expelled from Kartarpur (which had become a thriving Sikh hub at the time of Guru Nanak) what did he do? Did he spend his time trying to recapture Kartarpur or did he go else where (khadur sahib) and built up a new hub in the pattern of Kartarpur ? He did the last. All the Gurus did this - expelled from one city and then go and built up a new centre of parchaar. From the period Guru Hargobind to Guru Gobind Singh Harimandir Sahib was not even in the hands of the Gurus. The 6th and 7th Guru could easily have sent an army to get it back but they did'n.
Guru Gobind Singh did that in a broader context of consolidating Khalsa power.  What I think Sikhs need to do is to build up a new parallel power base of Sikhi (somewhere in the West where there is less political drama and opposition) and run Things from here. We can blind ourselves looking towards Akal Thakht or we can build up a new power base and get Things moving.

But why this Punjab-centric mentality? Create a Thakht in Europe and start running parchaar and a new base from here

Here is some room fragrance for you guys, if this thread got stinking

its ok veer ji, no clean up needed. Just end with a positive note.
here is another one:

hmm This is really profound...thats why the thoughts near death matter a lot ?

I also heard that at the time of death, Naam is heard by all. But most beings whom have never experienced or heard naam don't recognise it and are even frightened by it therefore miss the opportunity to merge back with Waheguru.

Minute 12.45 onwards is mind blowing!  It is the famous verses of the sword being last resort.
I talked to a Nihang Baba once and asked him about where they learn Zafarnama santhiya. He said they go to the local mosque and learn it from the muslims. Maybe it is from the followers of this sufi shaykh.

Check it out at 08.50
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cokjBUMdxRI

True. no matter if you agree with his views or not, his family life is his own private life.

Many people asked a question on Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s bow. An archer named Jaswinder Singh explains and provides the answer.
Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji’s bow’s peak draw weight was 225kg or 496 lb. Guru Sahib’s arrow traveled much faster than the fastest bow can produce in modern times given the draw weight. The amount of power needed to pull the string back is 496 lb or you can think of it as picking up a weight of 496 lb with one hand. The bow of Guru Sahib weighed 5kg alone.
Historical accounts narrate that Guru Ji fired an arrow from Gurdwara Moti Bhag into the bed of Bahadur Shah sitting at Lal Qila, Delhi.
The distance from the Gurdwara to the Lal Qila is about 15km but the fly distance is about 10km. Now days, an arrow fired from a bow will only travel about half a Km.
Jaswinder Singh stated that in the market at best a 70lb draw weight bow is available but he was able to have an 80lb bow made for a special order which is considered to be one of the fastest bows in the world. In one second, the arrow is able to go about 360ft in about 1 second. Just imagine how fast Guru Sahib’s arrow must have travelled.

@Singh123456777 Sikhawareness is not a gossip portal about peoples personal life. Thats why it was removed ji.
@Ragmaala Hosting of the website is funded by Neo Singh who've been the webmaster since the forum was launched some 13 years ago. The moderators are based in Europe and America. If its under the watch of intelligence services we would'n know of it unless the intelligence services are really amateur and lame :p

I'm not supposed to enter this thread but I saw how dally posted in it I will only post once as well. 
 
Satkiran for two years you have been asking these same questions over and over. In these two years you could have progressed in your bhagti but did you? No you didn't. You kept on making these trivial threads over and over again. Did it not once occur to you that if you did bhagti the answers would have come to you on their own? That Akaal purkh may have given you the answers? Now your asking Amardeep questions and he is responding but in the end you will not be satisfied because there will still be a doubt in your mind. Amardeep is giving answers which is good and all but what if his answers are wrong(hey Amardeep I'm not saying your right or wrong. I'm just giving an example)? For he too is a man and men make mistakes! That doubt will always be with you. There are people who won't ever conform to your ideology such as paapiman and many others because they are in their ways and you cannot accept the fact that they follow something you don't preach. Then ultimately you will keep on wondering why do they still believe in what they believe in. Maybe they could be right? You show them Amardeep's answers but nobody will actually pay them any heed except people who have your ideology. Then after you will try finding answers to justify your position again and again but the outcome will be the same in the end. You will still have doubts.
I will give you one answer that will lead you to all answers. It will only work if you actually do it. 
Stop wasting time discussing trivial matter such as these and start doing bhagti. Stop wasting time on here and do bhagti and the guru will give you answers. That is the only way you can be without doubt.
 
PS: Don't respond back to this post.

Very good!
I totally agree that they are spiritual for self journey. But they can also be 'experienced'  in terms of your own consciousness, as to the stages that it has to ascend i it's spiritual transformation.
Funny thing is that over the years, I've done a few little self interpretations here and there that are mostly a little botched, and un-sequenced,... because I've probably taken a little bit from here and there with all the different variations that exist in sikhi world!  ...However, nowadays,... I see it a little more clearly and actually realise that all the information and facts you will ever need were mostly right there in the pauris from 34 beginning with "Rati ruti tithi var" .
DHARAM Khand, like Gurpreet says, is the 1st stage of realisation or as I would describe ->the Path of DHARAM.
Guru Nanak ji tells us,.. that we are on earth, which is itself a DHARMSAAL.     DHARAMSAAL is described as what I understand, an old "inn" or meeting place/place of rest/ some en route location. ..etc,,     This means that we ALL start here or end up here, no matter what dharam. A single Dharam is required as the path to the top of the mountain. If we imagine all the different dharams as individual paths to the top, and we can only walk on one single one all the way according to where and what situation/place we are in.   DHARAMSAAL, in it stopover sense, shows that, we/manukhs, are all here in the Dharamsaal according to our KARAMS and our binding to the Lak chaurasi joon cycle. It becomes apparent from gurbani later on, that we are all in the same lakh chaurasi cycle, and have this one-off opportunity to take DHARAM.
I may be wrong, but I understand, that as our first steps and reason for ending up in this joon; is to work on BOTH our KARAM and DHARAM. (not to confuse the 'karams' here with KARAMKHAND later on)
Overall, in these 5 khand pauris, Guruji has explained the route or journey to -->> SACHKHAND, and to which we can transform our consciousness into 'permanently'.  Sachkhand is actually existing here and everywhere because ''Sackhand vasai Nirankar'' and Nirankar is himself the creator and in the creation (remember- Farida Khalak Khalk Meh Khalk Vasay Rab Maahe "The Creator God Is In The Creation, And The Creation Abides In God" ).. He is the All-pervading, all-knowing, right here, right now. So Sachkhand is not some million miles away.
 
I can try explain in more depth and following the gurbani- tuks when I get more time......but in a nutshell,.... We start by taking path of DHARAM KHAND and working our KARAMS. Gurbani explains in many places after japji, that taking DHARAM and giving full devotion of self seva, self sacrificing Mat and haumai  to satguru.-->, can get you walking the mountain path in Hukam, as per gurmukh and being in 100% gurmat. This will start erasing all your karams one by one! .....  this is 1st DHARAMKHAND realm.
(Amerdeep ji  questioned of why khands are never mentioned again in bani?...and I would understand that all the bani that follows, expounds and opens up in depth of exactly how one is to transform their consciousness after taking birth on the Dharamsaal to get to Sachkhand).      Also, in another thread, I explained my understanding of the later jath pahara tirajh suniar/ Goldsmith verse as being a technique of helping you practice and realise yourself in this transforming process, by using technique of NAAM JAP. when one starts Dharam khand steps.
 
Second stage is GYAAN KHAND.  and this stage begins when Naad becomes manifest. (Gyan Khand meh gyan patchand, tithai NAAD binodh kod anand)...or should I say that Gyan begins at Naad. The gyaan is not just intuitive knowledge. But it is a continuous gyaan of increased awareness, consciousness expansion, ridd sidh- nau nidh and all the signals mentioned in prabh ka simran pauri of sukhmani sahib lets say... all the washing of dirt from mann, purification ,,gyaan to help power 5 dhuts   etc      Then is SARAM KHAND and KARAM KHAND, which are very close and describe the path/stage leading one up to "Sacha Darbar"  or the court of the lord. These are the heavens that are mentioned in many faiths and assumed to be final destinations,... but Guru Nanak Dev ji has given us the ultimate guide to beyond these angelic heavens and joys that sit outside the door of Waheguru's darbar. (I'm sure that heavens are not sachkhand). Saram Khand and Karam Khand  are described as being near impossible to depict or express,  but Dhan dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji sachey patshah has given the nishanees (insignias) with subtle hints in those pauris, so that they can be acknowledged and recognized to the seeker.
 

Haha I love reading my old posts here. Window back in time.

Interesting. Verse 211 begins at the bottom - Durjan Dal dandhan.
http://www.sridasam.org/dasam?Action=Page&p=78
 
 

It was a serious talk but last paragraph cracked me up so bad. Haha

LOL LOL

I think you are living in your own little world. People have told you over and over again not to put things in their mouths. You connect things that are not connected and then use that as an argument against people. I think its called a straw man in english. You build up a narrative in your own head and then argue with people about why they feel a certain way. But they actually dont feel that way!
 
When people here have respect for samprdayas it is NOT because of the way they view women.. thats YOUR take on it because you seem to center your life on feminism.. So if I tell you im into the samprdayas, then you will find something you dont agree with and make a fuss and drama about me being into the samprdayas due to this one female statement only!! Its bloody weird man and you need to stop it!  People here respect the samprdayas because they reflect a pre-colonial disposition of Sikhi with a heavy regard on oral tradition...... NOBODY HAS MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN!! yet you keep hammering on and on and on about them....The puratan samprdayas dont even follow the old rahitname, - they have their own oral traditions which they follow.
Like I said, - you dont understand what people are writing, nor do they understand what you are writing.. bloody kinder garden man!! When people showed you the tuks of Sri Guru Amar Das on women, they did'n mean to say that The Satguru talks ill of women.. They were saying "if you use this kind of arguments against Sri Dasam Granth then why dont you apply the same logic to the Guru Granth Sahib".. Its a way of showing how illogical you are.. Yet you read it as the guys saying Guru Amar Das looked down on women...
And now you're making connections between Rahitanme and Dasam Granth....SERIOSLY??? wtf???? The rehitname for the most part are 2-3 pages long... The Dasam Granth is 1300+ pages long... Stop making weird analogies... I dont know if you have some sort of OCD or something but if you do, please let us know... This is getting really tiring.. Everyone here is tired of having to explain themselves over and over again as well as having to defend themselves of weird allegations you keep making, -putting words in their mouths etc....
 
Pappiman says weird shit at times, - all of us laugh at it from time to time and consider those views as representing only himself.. Yet you take it and blow it out of proportions and make it sound like pappiman is the sole global ambassador of SIkhi - everything he says is true and law!
Give it a rest man..

Fantastic man!

To me the "one eye" here represents fairness/equality. Have you heard the Panjabi saying "ek akh naal dekhiya kar" ? See things with one eye? It means be fair, equal and just etc.
The person in the story has only 1 eye so  he is being fair/upholding equality/being just etc which are all the qualities of a good and kind King. The wise minister has told the King that the woman covered her husbands "one eye" therefore making him unable to uphold fairness/equality/justice . The noise is a representation that everything is not as it seems, but because the eye is covered the husband is not questioning it, even though he should know better.
The wise minister is trying to tell the King, your vision of justice has been covered by the queen and you should be more questioning of her.

Simply, put the man can be seen as jeev and the woman can represent maya/illusion who plays various tricks with this jeev making jeev blind & deaf to obvious realities. The reality that there is something beyond the sight & hearing. The Nirankar , who is beyond the grasp of 5 senses.

It is also good that they are reaching out to the 3HO community to bring them closer to Sikhi.

I am really sorry for the pain you have to go through. I watched this documentary long time ago, it's based on real life incidences. It's about power of Gurbani. Watch it for sure. 
 
 

 
They have something called naam aukhad camp I think, try it out if docs are not helping. I don't know how much faith you have on gurbani but I will give you two personal ones since it will increase your faith maybe.
A Fam friends relative was suffering so much and doctor pretty much told he got few days. The whole family started doing paath of sukhmani sahib ji by turns or together, it was non stop since they were desperate. Anybody who came to their house they would request if the person join them in paath. Pretty soon man recovered and now he's healthy and living.
I recently got into a severe depression which lasted for 4 or 5 months, that was so bad like a freakin black cloud sat on my mind and kept saying let's see how you smile or eat today. one day I woke up in stress and chose to get rid of this crappy black cloud and I spent whole day doing nothing but paath of sukhmani sahib ji. I did many of it and I also fasted just to relieve some pain. 36 hours of fasting and 11 paath of sukhmani sahib in a day changed me, like to an extent I have no words to describe. It's been 3 weeks since I did that and my negative thinking is only 5% which is nothing when I used to be100% depressed lol. The amount of love I have for sukhmani sahib ji, I can't describe it. 
I have done sukhmani sahib paath before too and have given the water which I place front of it to dad many times and 95% he stayed calm after drinking. It helped him to stay calm too otherwise we go through jagrata most of the time and not a fun one lol. 
These are just some of my personal experiences with sukhmani sahib ji. Might increase your belief in gurbani. You can do anything, whether meditation, naam simran or reading gurbani. You can try hypnosis, reiki, acupuncture or other alternative things if medicine and Ayurveda failed. 
In the end, everything comes down to what we believe. I Know easier said than done, I am struggling with mind over matter thing too :(. But nothing wrong with trying something. 
Contact the naam aukhad camp, they do a lot of camp in India and canada I think, I have seen a lot of their videos and those are real people with real problems. Again I am sorry for what you have to go through, pain sucks whether physical or emotional. It's time to sign a petition to god that pain should be substituted with something easy .