tva prasad

A Panthic Maryada needs to rely heavily on Gurbani (all three Granths). Baba Gurbachan Singh jee Bhindranwale and Baba Amir Singh jee Sato ki gali wale were among the best (if not the best) scholars, when it came to exegesis of scriptures. Their input was a must in formulating a document for the Panth.
Available evidence and research are relative to the time we live in. A Maryada cannot be solely dependent on that.
 
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Every Sikh has to respect Sri Akal Takht Sahib jee. That does not mean that we always have to agree with the people (who might be incompetent) in power at that sacred place.
Sant Baba Gurbachan Singh jee Bhindranwale did not agree with the so-called Panthic Maryada.
 
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Basically charity starts at home. There are people who do lots of public service for kudos but if they are ignoring their own loved ones (leaving their parents without care) who brought them up and cared for them, then what's the use? It's all for show only?
The above shabad makes sense. Everyone should care for their own families. The message is for everyone not just an oldest son. The message is that no parents should be left without care. If parents have only daughters they too should also receive care because the shabad makes it apparent that caring of parents is so important (the message would not be that only parents who have a son deserve this service). Ignore the he in language because Gurbani is directed at all and he is often used to direct he and she in same way as man is used for mankind. The message above is not emphasizing the he but the service to parents. If service of parents is of such importance above all other seva then parents who have no son would not be any less deserving. Or else Gurbani is perpetuating son preference over daughter and is a direct cause of female fetus abortions etc in relentless pursuing for sons over daughters which we know the Gurus were vehemently against. 

Also add:
Vaar 37. Also read the 2 pauris previous to this one, (11 and 12)
੧੩ : ਮਾਪਿਆਂ ਦੇ ਅਪਕਾਰੀ ਦੇ ਜਪ ਤਪ ਨਿਸਫਲ ਹਨ
 
ਮਾਂ ਪਿਉ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਸੁਣੈ ਵੇਦੁ ਭੇਦੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੈ ਕਥਾ ਕਹਾਣੀ।
Renouncing the parents, the listener of Vedas cannot understand their mystery.
ਮਾਂ ਪਿਉ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਕਰੈ ਤਪੁ ਵਣਖੰਡਿ ਭੁਲਾ ਫਿਰੈ ਬਿਬਾਣੀ।
Repudiating the parents, meditation in the forest is similar to the wanderings at deserted places.
 
ਮਾਂ ਪਿਉ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਕਰੈ ਪੂਜੁ ਦੇਵੀ ਦੇਵ ਨ ਸੇਵ ਕਮਾਣੀ।
The service and worship to the gods and goddesses are useless if one has renounced his parents.
 
ਮਾਂ ਪਿਉ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਨ੍ਹਾਵਣਾ ਅਠਸਠਿ ਤੀਰਥ ਘੁੰਮਣ ਵਾਣੀ।
Without service to the parents, bath at the sixty-eight pilgrimage centres is nothing but gyrating in a whirlpool.
 
ਮਾਂ ਪਿਉ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਕਰੈ ਦਾਨ ਬੇਈਮਾਨ ਅਗਿਆਨ ਪਰਾਣੀ।
The person who having deserted his parents performs charities, is corrupt and ignorant.
 
ਮਾਂ ਪਿਉ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਵਰਤ ਕਰਿ ਮਰਿ ਮਰਿ ਜੰਮੈ ਭਰਮਿ ਭੁਲਾਣੀ।
He who repudiating the parents undertakes fasts, goes on to wander in the cycle of births and deaths.
 
ਗੁਰੁ ਪਰਮੇਸਰੁ ਸਾਰੁ ਨ ਜਾਣੀ ॥੧੩॥
That man (in fact) has not understood the essence of Guru and God.

Absolutely ! and this is a evolving process, it will never stop everyone has a right to think in their own way and define and redefine Gurbani, as long as one does not harm any human being or play with emotions .

Singh saab, there is historical evidence available to suggest that Sri Satguru jee did bless sampradas and give Gaddis to Gurmukhs (spiritually elevated humans).
Sampradas are part of the Khalsa Panth. Their aim is the same - union with the Shabad Guru.
 
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Well it seems there is discussion into whether Guru Nanak Dev ji was God himself....
if there is discussion about it then people are wondering if he was or wasn't

Only God exists...Gurbani is very clear about it...therefore Guru Nanak Dev ji was....
therefore We all are...therefore everything is...

only our Ego gives us a feeling of being seperate...Ego is amazing in that it allows the experience of the 'many' and allows us to have so many experiences as a seperate entity (illusion)...but problem is in this age Ego is stronger than the knowledge of 'God is the only entity' ... therefore majority of people question Gods existance...and run around aimlessly..

Ego has us fooled and Ego makes us forget of who we really are (God...all of us, and everything, and everything beyond...unlimited)

therefore the Question of 'Was Guru Nanak God himself' is mute...He Was...because Ego was at a complete minimum and connection from the Ego (individual state) to the supreme state was 100% formed. We all have that capability...and thats what Simran is For..Simran - remembering...

Just my thoughts about what Gurbani states...nothing more..

maybe i am getting confused here...

but surely gurbani explains this clearly....

there is 'only' God...nothing else....
only god takes form, then leaves form...he comes as a tree, a person, an animal, an insect...as the fisherman...and the fish...as the air, as the fire...all is him...
he creates his creation and then enjoys it...

it is only our ego sense which makes us think He is something seperate...that I am Me, and God is He...two seperate entities...but it is all an illusion...in this age of kalyug the sense of Ego is HUGE...where these bubbles of God consciousness question walking through endless life cycles have completely forgotton their true selves (God) and now question the existence of God...through ignorance...so now we hate each other, fight each other, back stab each other...want more money than the other...etc etc etc

through Simran we can reduce the ego sense...and as that reduces...God Blossoms forth. It was 'and is' always God that was here all along, Simran(remembering) awakens us to our true reality...god consciousness...that all is Him...that we may see what the Guru Ji's saw....God and nothing but God...and then maybe we can return to loving one another (god), helping one another (God) not competing with one another (God)..etc etc

It is not just a saying when we say 'See god in all' ... one day we will literally 'See god in all'

what an amazing creation...we cannot even fathom it...our Ego will not allow us to...only hearing his Shabad can pull our attention from being ignorant, back to seeing Him.

This reply took me a lot of time and thought.

Reading the views of all the people on this page stating that Guru Nanak Dev were not God brought great skeptacism to what i have been taught. I had thought that the sermons from Sant like;

Sant Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib, SAnt Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawalae, Sant Kartar Singh Ji Bhindrawalae, Sant Jarnail Singh Ji Bhindrawalae, Sant Mudhsudan Singh Ji Bedi, Sant Sarbjot Singh Ji Bedi, Sant Hari Singh Randhawae Walae, Sant Hardev Singh Ji Lulo Walae, Sant Amar Singh Ji Barundi Walae, Sant Nahar Singh Ji Sunheran Walae, Sant Jagjeet Singh Ji Harkhowalae, Sant Avtar Singh Ji Badni Kalan Walae, Sant Baljinder Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walae, Sant Partap Singh Ji Rara Sahib Walae, Sant Sukhchen Singh Ji Dharampur Walae, Sant Baljeet Singh Ji Dadu Walae, Sant Seva Singh Ji Rampur Khera Walae, Sant Jaswant Singh Ji Ludhiani Walae, etc

could not have been false, as these are the people who bring people to this path and educate them. But reading replies from the likes of NEO, Javanmard and Tsingh my faith in these sermons was shaken.

I almost got to the point where i actually believed what was being written in response to what i put towards this post.

However yesterday i got an opportunity to ask this question. In Leicester yesterday in my friends house i had the following three Sants to pose this question to while they were together. The Sants were, Sant Sukhchen Singh Ji Dharampur Walae, Sant Hari Singh Randhawae Wale, Sant Jaswant Singh Ji Ludhiana Wale.

When i asked them this question they were shocked that i would ever
pose such a concept that Guru Nanak Dev Ji were not God. I ended up being talked through this question

:shock:

Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji started to explain about Guru Nanak Dev Ji. All three stated that GOD was Guru Nanak DEv Ji. Then i showed them this web page which shocked at the view expressed on here.

Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji went on to explain why Guru Nanak Dev Ji were God.

First of all they stated that the Bhatts have stated in their bani that the Guru's were of the same Jot and that started with Guru Nanak Dev Ji. The Bhatts (bhatt Mathura) states that Guru Arjan Dev Ji were God. Other also calls the Guru's Nirankar and Narayan.

I then asked when Guru Nanak Dev Ji were talking about God why were they talking in the form of a second person. They replied that Guru Nanak Dev Ji were using the form seen by Mardana like we use a TV to spread a message. They were actually the formless God.

I then asked how could they be formless when they had a form. God is Nirankar.

Baba Ji went on to state a story of Guru Nanak Dev Ji when they went to Achal Sahib where the Sidh Gosht took place. The Sidhs asked Guru Nanak Dev Ji why they were called ' Nirankari Nanak' when they could see that they were not formless. Guru Nanak Dev Ji asked them to them take a scarfe and tie it around the waist of Guru Nanak Dev Ji. The Sidhs tried to do so but the scarf would just create a knot in itself and go through Guru Nanak Dev Ji. They found tha their form was actually like that of a supposed ghost where it was not of flesh.

I then asked why did Guru Nanak Dev Ji go back to heaven for three days. If they were God what was the need?

Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji replied God needed to go back home in order to collect what they needed in order to teach tthe world. Tehy went home to make sure all that was required was collected. Such as Gurbani and the mool and waheguru incantations.

I then asked about the



Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji agreed with this quote and said that this is correct. The Lord doesn't take birth. Neither did the Guru's

According to Bhai Gurdas Di Varan it states,

Satgur Nanak Pargatiya, Mitti Dhund Jag Chanan Hoa

Guru Nanak Dev Ji along with the other Gurus did not take birth but manifested onto the earth. This can be backed up by the Gurbilas Patshahee 6. In which Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji state the Guru's played a trick on the earth. The mother would feel as if they were pregnant and their womb would fill with air. At the time of birth due to the pain they would lose cosciousness. When this happened the Guru's would manifest in their form and the womb would go back to its normal shape. The mother would then think they have given birth when it was a trick all along.

They said this stuff about the Avtars that Javanmard has put on the net is not correct or according to Gurmat. One should not use the semitic concepts when talking about Sikhi as their beliefs are different such as the talk of an afterlife or reincarnation.

All three Sants went on to convince me even more and the talk continued until my daughter got tired and wanted me to go home.

last but not least i quoted



The Sants said to state the truth it is worth going to hell. They said they have no fear of it.

Baba Sukhchen Singh Ji are going to do an audio recording for me in the next few days. I will put it onto Gurmatveechar when i have time so you can all listen to why Guru Nanak Dev Ji were God.

I am not bothered if you all call me a heratic or kick me off this discussion page

The quote from the charittar pakhyan on the opening page of www.sarbloh.info describes the reason why i have wrote this.

to the person whowrote this thread i conclude according to my understanding that God and Guru Nanak Dev Ji are one and the same. May faith has been restored in the words of the saints

"Guru Gobind Singh is even clearer:

Those who call us the Supreme Lord (Paramesar) shall all fall in the realm of hell. Know me as his servant and do not think of any difference between me and Him. BN VI: 32 "

Giani Takhur Singh ji, in his katha, said that this was a test of faith. Many times in Gurbani the Gurus are called God very directly by successors. It is crystal clear. It would make no sense that the Tenth Guru would then go and say this unless it was a test of faith.

continued from the last

Guru Gobind Singh Ji went on to explain the five qualities.

1) Shakti – This means powers.

Sri Ram Chandar showed his powers to his mother Kashuliya. When his mother went to pray to the goddess at that point Sri Ram Chandar replaced the image of the goddess with himself to show her his powers.

Sri Krishna also showed his powers to his mother Devki. He pretended to eat some dirt so when she forced him to open his mouth and see what he had eaten he showed that he had the whole of creation in his mouth. She saw the complete universe. During the Mahabharat war Sri Krishna showed his disciple Arjan a divine form of himself called the Vairat Saroop (explained further on).

Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji were born in the village of Talwandi and at that moment they showed their mother Mata Tripta Ji and aunt their miracle. At the ambrosial hour all of the demi gods came to worship Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. They sat Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji on a throne and started to worship them and bow to them. They rubbed sandalwood into the skin of Guru Nanak Dev Ji and placed a garland of flowers around their neck. They then made a supplication to Guru Nanak Dev Ji and said, “O protector of the meek and true king. You are the transcendent formless being. You have taken this form and come to the world in order to save the world and all of humanity. You are also the protector of all of the demi gods.†In this way the demi gods were making supplications to Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. At that point Mata Tripta awoke and wondered who was around her son and revering him? At that point all of the demi gods disappeared. She saw that her son had marks of saffron and sandalwood all over him and on his forehead and the smell of the sandalwood was overwhelming. At that point Mata Tripta Ji gained full faith that Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was indeed the incarnation of the divine Lord. But at that moment in order to conceal the powers of Guru Nanak Dev Ji he covered his mothers mind in the veil of illusion, which is called Maya. Just as a child cries in order to get milk that is what Guru Nanak Dev Ji did, by doing so Mata Tripta Ji forgot what had just occurred and became attached to her child. For this reason they are no less then Sri Ram Chandar and Sri Krishna in the amount of power they possess.

They are greater however due to other miracles. Whilst being asleep a cobra provided Guru Nanak Dev Ji with shade. Another occasion the shade of a tree covered them with shade even though the shade was in a different direction to all the others. They replenished a field with its entire crop when cows had eaten all of the harvest. In Medina the grave of the Islamic prophet paid their salutations to Guru Nanak Dev Ji. In Mecca the Kabba turned in the direction that Guru Nanak Dev Ji faced their feet. It is still in the direction that Guru Nanak Dev Ji had their feet pointing. Guru Nanak Dev Ji made the soap nuts on a tree they were sitting under taste sweet and are still to this day and can be eaten. Guru Nanak Dev Ji took all of the powers away from the Sidhs and then later returned them. Guru Nanak Dev Ji imprinted their palm print in a rock that was being hurled at them. Guru Nanak Dev Ji parted rivers and mountains in order to gain access to the other side when travelling. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was able to walk on water as if it was land. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was able to show a person thousands of heavens and underworlds in a second. Guru Nanak Dev Ji was able to make a boiling cauldron turn cold in a second. These are but a few examples of how great Guru Nanak Dev Ji were and how their powers were superior.

The other incarnations used their powers to increase their popularity and greatness. Guru Nanak Dev Ji used their powers in order to make other people learn the correct path and believe in one God. They did not do it in order to make them more popular.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji showed their powers in order to save others and to destroy their ego. In order to destroy Vali Kandhari’s ego they took his water from him. They prevented Gorakh Nath from having the strength to pick up a piece of wheat to destroy their ego.

For these reasons Guru Nanak Dev Ji have an endless amount of powers. They have no powers less then any other incarnations but have more and are greater. They are the holders of great power.

Sri Krishna was the possessor of 16 powers but Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji had an infinite number of powers and was the incarnation of the divine Lord.

2) Viaktee – This is the name for the form of a being.

The form of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji is greater then that of all of the other incarnations. Throughout the whole life of Sri Ram Chandar’s life and Sri Krishna’s life they never grew any facial hair. During the youthful years of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji’s life when they had no facial hair we can say that there form was equal to the other incarnations. Then a beautiful beard grew on the form of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji so that other saints would recognise them and their form became greater.

In the treta age when Sri Ram Chandar went to marry Sita they left Ayodhiya to go to Janakpur in order to meet her. All of the of the royal maidens were enchanted by the beauty of Sri Ram Chandar. Due to this Sri Ram Chandar told them that he would satisfy their needs in the Dwaper age.

In the Dwaper age the royal maidens assumed the form of the Gopis and Sri Krishna tended to their physical and sexual needs.

Due to the forms of both Sri Ram Chandar and Sri Krishna they caused lust with the opposite sex and could not eradicate this cardinal sin.

When Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji went to the area of Sangla Deep, which is now referred to as Sri Lanka all of the beautiful women tried to enchant Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji through the power of the word of God destroyed the lust that was in the heart of the beautiful women. By singing the gospel of the Lord and saying the name of God they were able to bring peace to the hearts of the beautiful women. They no longer lusted and by seeing the Guru they were forever in bliss and were at peace.

Due to being able to dispel the lust in others the form of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was greater then that of the other incarnations.

3) Pragya – This is the name of a person’s knowledge of God and the name of God.

Sri Ram Chandar made Rishi Vashisht their spiritual master. They spent 68 days with them in which they learned the Vashisht Puran in order to gain the divine knowledge of God. He then spent 8 days with Rishi Vishwamitar who he adopted as his master in martial arts from who they learned the knowledge of weapons.

Sri Krishna made Rishi Darbasha their spiritual master. They spent 8 days with then in which they learned the scriptures in order to gain the divine knowledge of God. He then spent 64 days with Rishi Sandeepan who he adopted as his master in martial arts from who they learned the knowledge of weapons.

The father of Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, Baba Kaliyan Chand (Kalu Ji) took their son to the teacher Gopal Pandhay in order to study. They went on the first day in accordance to what his parents wanted and learned the alphabet. The second day they went they just remained silent. Even when Gopal Pandhay told him to read Guru Nanak Dev Ji ignored him. Gopal Pandhay then asked, “All of the other children are reading and learning. Why are you not doing the same?†Guru Nanak Dev Ji said, “ All these things that you are teaching can be erased. One should learn those things that stay with an individual.†The teacher thought to himself and said to Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, “I am unable to teach this to you, I only know how to teach mathematics and basic language. With your grace please tell us of this knowledge you want to be taught.â€

Guru Nanak Dev Ji in answer to this sang the word of God. After hearing this divine hymn Gopal Pandhay was reassured about what Guru Ji wanted to hear and it was about the divine Lord. By giving this short discourse Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji exalted and delighted Gopal Pandhay.

On the third day when Baba Kaliyan Chand came to the school with Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji, they asked Gopal Pandhay to teach their son.

Gopal Pandhay said, “ Your son is the creator of all of the knowledge. Do not worry about him learning. They are not here to learn but will teach others instead.â€

Due to this Baba Kaliyan Chand took Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji to Mulla Noor Deen in order to learn Farsi. Again on their first day Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji said a hymn, which was a divine message from God.

By doing this Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji taught the people they were supposed to learn from rather then gaining knowledge from their teachings. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji gave the Mulla divine knowledge and exalted them.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji never made any person their spiritual master. Rather the people they were sent to learn from became their disciples and accepted Guru Nanak Dev Ji as their spiritual master.

The other incarnations for a small number of days adopted spiritual masters in order to gain knowledge. Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji was unique in the way that they already had divine knowledge and never needed to learn from another.

Unlike the other incarnations Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji never had to learn the knowledge of weapons. They used the word of God as a metaphysical weapon to destroy the vices of other people. Due to the greater knowledge of the word of God and using it as a weapon Guru Nanak Dev Ji were greater then any other incarnation. Many philosophers and Sikh writers do suggest that they did have complete knowledge of weapons but never used them. They passed this knowledge onto one of their devotees by the name of Baba Buddha Ji to teach the Sikhs when they needed it. Baba Buddha Ji were later the teacher of marital arts to the sixth Sikh Guru, Sri Guru Hargobind Ji.

Guru Nanak Dev Ji did not have less intelligence then that of the other incarnations but more. The intelligence that they possessed was infinite and greater then all others. No other incarnation even came close to the intelligence and knowledge possessed by Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.

to be continued

they were god. will explain why later but best explanation is in the Jap Ji Sahib Steek by Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Bhindrawalae

I'm not sure these were necessarily positive forces.... best to continue meditating and ignore them.

Thanks man.

I think I've pretty much got how to tie it, I just need to practice so that I can consistently get that shape, and find out how our ancestors got it to look so neat (that is if they ever tied it neatly).
 
It should appear in that post now that I've uploaded it to the forum.
 
In terms of Sikh gurus - Guru Hari Gobind ji to Guru Gobind Singh ji.

As far as I know, previous gurus, Guru Nanak Dev ji to Guru Arjun Dev ji did not wear a turban.
 
That's a different guy.

Manmat.  
 
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Yea he is often depicted with one as well. A lot of the Gurus did wear it. Bhagat Kabir ji and many other Bhagats were Gurus with their own followings.

When a successor Guru was appointed, they would put the topi on his head, put seli around the neck and on topi, and put tilak on forehead and do the arti plate ceremony.

There's even a shabad in Guru Granth Sahib describing this process, but I can't seem to remember it very well or find it.

Now here Guru Arjun Dev ji is wearing a turban. This is a late 1800s painting and the artists of this time never painted Gurus 2-5 with a cap, only Guru Nanak Dev ji.

Excellent post above.
This is why we have been blessed in Sikhism by:
10 Physical Satgurus, who each had all possible virtues in them, but some prominent features were displayed in each manifestation Three Different Granths (Sri Ad Guru, Sri Dasam and Sri Sarabloh) Gurbani - which has multiple interpretations/levels which correspond to a wide range of human spiritual levels/instincts Various Sampradas, which specialize in different aspects of the spirituality Different ways to praise Almighty Waheguru - Katha, Kirtan, Mantar Jaap, Naam Simran, Dhadi Vaaran, Kavi darbar, etc. Different types of Paath - Sri Akhand Path, Sri Sampat Path, Sri Sehaj Path, etc Different Raags in Gurbani, which satisfy varying human tastes  
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all u have to do I type in "gatka tutorials" on youtube/ google (videos). It shows u how to use all sorts of weapons (teer, talwar, neja, etc.)

This one is the basic high pitched peeeee that one might hear even when not exposed to loud sounds. I may be wrong but this happens in the initial stages before hearing anhad as I used to hear it first.
Edit: Gurmukhs call this sound sehaj dhun. 
 

sad. you can learn it from youtube too, there are online tutorials. that's where i learnt some of the moves from. it's ready handy to learn gatka. 

As described by Sant Baba Isher Singh (Rare wale) and written up in Discourses on the Beyond vol. 3 by Sant Baba Waryam Singh ji.

What has been described as the primal sound is actually the Shabad (Divine Word). This is called the Anhad Nad the unstruck melody which is produced in the body without effort of the individual self and by the spontaneous vibrance of the vital airs (life breath) with the ether.

Kingri : Single String musical instrument Singi : Yogis hollow horn, a kind of trumpet Bheri : Kettle Drum Toor: An S shaped trumpet Beena : A type of string instrument, flute or lyre. Ek Shabad : Sound of One Word (The primal sound) Nessanu Drum Garud Shabad The mantra that effaces the poisonous effects Ghanta : Bell or Gong Ghungru : small tinkling bells Tanti Shabad : Sound of vibrating strings Runjhun : Tinkling sound, jingle, chime Babiha : Music of Rain bird
1. Kingri : Single String musical instrument

The Guru, the detached Yogi, has enticed the hearts of all; He plays His harp in each and every heart.
mohi ga-i-aa bairaagee jogee ghat ghat kinguree vaa-ee. 907

My mind and breath are the two gourds of my fiddle, and the Lord of all the ages is its frame.
man pavan du-ay toombaa karee hai jug jug saarad saajee. 334

The string has become steady, and it does not break; this guitar vibrates with the unstruck melody.
thir bha-ee tantee tootas naahee anhad kinguree baajee. 335

In each and every heart the Music of the Lord`s harp vibrates, night and day, with sublime love for the Shabad.
ghat ghat vaajai kinguree an-din sabad subhaa-ay. 62


2. Singi : Yogis hollow horn, a kind of trumpet

The horn of consciousness vibrates the unstruck sound current; Your Light illuminates each and every heart, Lord.
sinyee surat anaahad vaajai ghat ghat jot tumaaree. 907

3. Bheri : Kettle Drum

The sound current of the Shabad is the sounding of the temple drums. Pause
anhataa sabad vaajant bhayree. rahaa-o. 663

4. Toor: An S shaped trumpet

All desires have been fulfilled.
sagal manorath pooray.
The unstruck melody of the sound current resounds.
baajay anhad tooray. 629

Pure are the listeners, and pure are the speakers; the True Guru is all-pervading and permeating.
suntay puneet kahtay pavit satgur rahi-aa bharpooray.
Prays Nanak, touching the Guru`s Feet, the unstruck sound current of the celestial bugles vibrates and resounds.
binvant naanak gur charan laagay vaajay anhad tooray. 922

5. Beena : A type of string instrument, flute or lyre.

The Yogi who plays on the flute of Gods Shabad gains the Blessed Vision of the Infinitely Beautiful Lord.
beenaa sabad vajaavai jogee darsan roop apaaraa. 351

My mind is absorbed in loving devotional worship of the Lord,
har kee paraym bhagat man leenaa.
Within me every plays the flute of Divine bliss . Pause||
nit baajay anhat beenaa. rahaa-o. 622

then the celestial flutes play the unstruck melody in tranquil peace and poise.
ta-o anhad bayn sahj meh baa-ay. 344


6.Ek Shabad : Sound of One Word (The primal sound)

The One Word of the Shabad abides within my mind; I shall not come to be born again.
ayk sabad mayrai paraan basat hai baahurh janam na aavaa. 794
He cuts off the three branches of the three qualities, and embraces love for the One Word of the Shabad.
saakhaa teen nivaaree-aa ayk sabad liv laa-ay. 66

7. Nessanu Drum

I will meet with my Lord by the beat of the drum.
mila-o gupaal neesaan bajaa-ee. 1164

8. Garud Shabad The mantra that effaces the poisonous effects

If he hears the Surpreme Gurus charm, believing in the Name his soul becomes contented
If one, as Gurmukh, hears and believes in the Name, the charm against poison, his mind becomes content.
gurmukh gaararh jay sunay mannay naa-o santos. 1009

As with the magic spell of Garuda the eagle upon one`s lips, one does not fear the snake;
garurh mukh nahee sarap taraas. 987

9. Ghanta : Bell or Gong

His bell resounds to the four corners of the world.
ghantaa jaa kaa sunee-ai chahu kunt.
His seat is forever in heaven.
aasan jaa kaa sadaa baikunth. 393

10. Ghungru : small tinkling bells

You shall hear the vibrations of the tinkling bells, when your mind is held steady.
ghunghroo vaajai jay man laagai. 356

Making the effort, the mind becomes pure; in this dance, the self is silenced.
udam karat hovai man nirmal naachai aap nivaaray.
The five passions are kept under control, and the One Lord dwells in the mind. |
panch janaa lay vasgat raakhai man meh aykankaaray.
Your humble servant dances and sings Your Glorious Praises.
tayraa jan nirat karay gun gaavai.
He plays upon the rebeck, tambourine and cymbals, and anklet bells and the the unstruck sound resounds. Pause
rabaab pakhaavaj taal ghunghroo anhad sabad vajaavai. rahaa-o. 381

11. Tanti Shabad : Sound of vibrating strings

Make the Fear of God, and the Love of God, the two gourds of your lute, Yogi, and make this body its neck.
bha-o bhaa-o du-ay pat laa-ay jogee ih sareer kar dandee.

Become Gurmukh, and then vibrate the strings; in this way, your desires shall depart. ||5||
gurmukh hoveh taa tantee vaajai in biDh tarisnaa khandee.

12. Runjhun : Tinkling sound, jingle, chime

Whoever reaches the fearless Lords Home, He ever hears the sweet and melodious celestial strain.
anhad run jhunkaar sadaa Dhun nirbha-o kai ghar vaa-idaa. 1033

13. Babiha : Music of Rain Bird

The rainbird chirps in the ambrosial hours of the morning before the dawn; its prayers are heard in the Court of the Lord.
baabeehaa amrit vaylai boli-aa taaN dar sunee pukaar.

The order is issued to the clouds, to let the rains of mercy shower down.
mayghai no furmaan ho-aa varsahu kirpaa Dhaar.

In the Hans Upanishad, where there is the mention of Anhad Shabad (unstruck melody), it is written:

[One who does japa of the Hans Mantra (Hamsa, Hansa, Sohum, So Ham, or So Hum.), millions of times, comes to the realization of Nad. It is also stated that Nad consists of ten different types of melodies, nine of which are to be passed over, and the tenth, which resembles the sound of the thunder of distant clouds, is to be meditated upon and practiced, for It takes one to Par-Brahm.] - from my own notes and not from the book.

Chatka on hearing which all hair stand on ends Punn Punn Chann Chann on hearing all the limbs of the body are in bloom Bell on hearing mind and intellect are filled with love Conch on hearing which, ones head begins to whirl like that of an intoxicated person. Sound (note) of the harp by concentrating ones consciousness on that one feels surpreme bliss and nector seems to rain from the divine hole (top of the head). Nirakarai one feels Amrit nector in ones throat. Flute sweet note which fills every fibre of ones body with sweetness, no trace of disturbance of consciousness. Begin to get spiritual powers Pakhavaj One achieves the power to feel the musical phenomenon which is operating in ones body or that which a seeker hears within himself and begins to know its meaning. Small nafiri (energy) one is saturated with energy to the full and one acquires extremely strong power. One acquires the power to reach any place one desires physcailly or mentally. Invisibility Cloud on hearing which one sees the divine face to face.
What is commonly called the Anhad Shabad (The Divine Word, unstruck music) is the sum total of the five sounds

The five sounds are -
Tata - Sound of vibrating Strings Vitu The sound produced by percussion on a stretched lether or membrane Ghan The sound produced by striking solid broze metal Nad The sound produced by thundering clouds Shishur or Shikar - The sound produced by blowing wind (breath) through holes

Panj Shabad, Anhad Bani and Sehaj Dhun

The terms used in the chapter include panj Shabad, anhad bani and
sehaj dhun. These are in the form of music tunes. Panj shabad
means the five divine sounds. They resound in the house of mind
and also with Truth. The divine speech of Truth is known as Anhad
Bani. It is the best of all the speeches. Truth Himself gives this
speech. Sehaj dhun is the divine Word of Truth. It is the divine
command for our minds and is also known as Hukam.

Truth in His grace and mercy reveals His secret Shabad – the
insignia of His existence- (Anhad Bani or Sehaj Dhun) to some
blessed souls. The Guru gives the Gurmantra and through Gurman-
tra the secret Anhad Sabad (Word of Truth) is revealed to the
seeker.

The Sukhmana channel, located in the center of the spine travels
upward making six circles (chakras). These six chakras are called
khat chakras (six homes or six doors). These are the six places
where the channels of Ida and Pingala meet with the Sukhmana
channel. When the divine light of our soul travels through these
circles, different types of sounds are produced. Gurbani says:

kr kir qwl pKwvju nYnhu mwQY vjih rbwbw ]
krnhu mDu bwsurI bwjY ijhvw Duin Awgwjw ]
inriq kry kir mnUAw nwcY Awxy GUGr swjw ]1]
rwm ko inriqkwrI ] pyKY pyKnhwru dieAwlw jyqw swju sIgwrI ]
With the entry of divine light in the six chakras, the divine melody
of drum beat appears and eyes act as tambourines. The sound
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of the guitar is heard in the forehead area. The sweet flute music
resounds in the ears. The mind starts to dance is reflected by
presence of sound of shaking ankle bracelets. This is the rhyth-
mic dance of mind for the Truth. The Truth, sees all the make-up
and decorations of such a mind.
(SGGS 884)

These sounds resemble the tones and tunes of a cricket, flute, gong,
conch shell, horn, tinkling bells, trumpet, rebeck, singing cicadas in
the silence of the night, and a falling bronze vessel. Other than five
sounds, many more melodies manifest. On the opening of the sixth
chakra, the Shabad enters the Gagan (the Tenth Sky). This
continuously reverberating melody at the Tenth Sky is called Sehaj
Dhun or Anhad sabad. When our mind enters the stage of
UnnMunn (inward mind), all the doors open and the tunes and all
the shabads start to sound.

vwjy sbd Gnyry ]
The divine melody of the Shabad vibrates.
(SGGS 917)

The combined symphony of these sounds is called Anhad Bani.
When these melodies are very loud and fast they are called Taar
Ghor Bajaantar (The grand orchestra of divine music). All these
melodies reverberate at the Tenth Door in the Sukhmana and are
called the divine music in the house of Sukhmana “Sukhman De
Ghar Raag”

Gr mih Gru dyKwie dyie so siqguru purKu sujwxu ]
pMc sbd Duinkwr Duin qh bwjY sbdu nIswxu ]
dIp loA pwqwl qh KMf mMfl hYrwnu ]
qwr Gor bwijMqR qh swic qKiq sulqwnu ]
suKmn kY Gir rwgu suin suMin mMfil ilv lwie ]
AkQ kQw bIcwrIAY mnsw mnih smwie ]
LONGING LOVE FOR TRUTH
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aulit kmlu AMimRiq BirAw iehu mnu kqhu n jwie ]
Ajpw jwpu n vIsrY Awid jugwid smwie ]
siB sKIAw pMcy imly gurmuiK inj Gir vwsu ]
sbdu Koij iehu Gru lhY nwnku qw kw dwsu ]
The True Guru is the All-knowing Primal Being; He shows us
our true home within the home of the self. The Panch Shabad, the
Five Primal Sounds, resonate and resound within; the insignia of
the Shabad is revealed there, vibrating gloriously. Worlds and
realms, nether regions, solar systems and galaxies are
wondrously revealed. The strings and the harps vibrate and
resound; the true throne of the Truth is there. Listen to the music
at the Sukhman channel and concentrate in the sunn. Contem-
plate the Unspoken Speech, and the desires of the mind are
dissolved. The heart-lotus is turned upside-down, and is filled
with Ambrosial Nectar. This mind does not go out; it does not get
distracted. It remembers truth without chanting and the mind is
immersed in the Primal Truth of the ages. All the companions of
this path are blessed with the five shabads. The Gurmukh minds
dwell in their homes. Nanak is the slave of that one who seeks the
Shabad and finds their home within.

(SGGS 1291)

Lol. Indeed he is. wink wink ;)

They are all badass.

They are different representations of that which is at the center of everything.

One person might call it consciousness, another might call it energy and another might call it time. The consciousness guy says energy and time are illusions. The energy guy says consciousness and time are illusions. The time guy says consciousness and energy are illusions.
It is important to be in touch with that pure essence.

I personally prescribe to the Consciousness-centric worldview similar to WakeUp, which is what is expressed in Guru Granth Sahib also, using not the name 'Shiv' or the english word 'consciousness' but instead the names, pictures and stories of - Hari, Vishnu, Ram and Krishna.

But I understand other paradigms like that of Adi Shakti (which Opal presented) and that of Mahakal (which I presented), both of which are also discussed in Dasam Granth.
 
One should go into the very deepest essence that one can access. Never lose sight of that essence in all the worldviews and belief systems that exist. That essence alone is ultimately real and not the beliefs you prescribe to.

But it is also important to have beliefs. Beliefs are the backbone of your spiritual growth. They are tools that you will use to hammer your intellect and transform it into something beautiful.

It is important to have beliefs and to stick by them like Baba Namdev ji did in the court of the Muslim Emperor who wanted him killed for not chanting Allah instead of chanting Hari and Ram. He stood by his belief system even though he understood the belief system of the emperor. While under attack, he rattled his chains and sung of Ram.

Namdev ji himself taught do not chant other names, only stick to chanting Ram. It means to stick to a belief system so that you can progress spiritually and learn to taste the essence. Ram was the center of Namdev ji's belief system so that's what he taught.

But some people take the wrong meaning out of it and start rejecting other belief systems as ignorance. They say mine is superior and yours is all nonsense. They devote their attention to this pursuit and not the pursuit their belief system is encouraging, thus they do not progress spiritually.

Other people take the easy route and accept everything as true without understanding the essence. They say every belief system is good, they become lazy and don't follow any system. They remain ignorant. Thus they do not progress spiritually either.

Namdev ji says one who follows a belief system and makes progress in that system is the enlightened one.

Now perhaps this shabad will make more sense, when read again in a new light -

hollow apologies.

anyone who stands up for the Sikhs is always seen as a paki in your eyes.

THIS TOPIC IS FOR MANGALYAAN. if nothing to say about it or in general Mars exploration then open a new thread.

Thanks