Arsh1469

The forum is made up of individuals Satkiran.

No one mindset dominates.

Bringing western feminism into the Sikh world was always doomed.

What is wrong with this sakhi? Maharaaj's feet started bleeding as he took away all the pain of the Sikh because the Sikh was reading Gurbani with love and attention. Why cannot you understand, such a simple concept?



So according to you, Satguru jee protecting his Sikhs, is an attack on bibek budhi?

What has happened to you brother?

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

look at it from the point of view of the Guru. Would Guru Gobind Singh have denied the bibian Amrit?

In the times of Guru Nanak , Guru Ji raised the woman from subservient to equal. Bani says that woman cannot be inferior to man. So would amrit have to be given on gender or not?

Guru Ji also said the no man is inferior to another. So if all were welcome to partake of amrit, none were denied. We can all agree on this yeah? So is it possibly the same for the bibian?

Im not too sure about the Hazur Sahib maryada being the true maryada. If you think about it, even idols appeared at Harimandar Sahib over time, so a place far so away from the centre of Sikhi could easily have had non-sikh practices gradually introduced.

Daya Singh Samprada and Damdami Taksaal both have an unbroken lineage going back to the Guru's time. Both state that Amrit is for both men and women.

All Sikh of the Guru took Amrit. Bhai Gurdass Ji mentions that those wihout Amrit are the lowest of the low etc. He goes on at some length deriding those who have not accepted the Guru's initiation. They are also called nigura.

there are other reasons why the surname is sometimes not written in granths. For eg., The common explanation that more than one Sikh with the same name existed, so a sikh such as Bhai Nand Lal ji didn't have Singh behind his last name in GRANTHS cannot be refuted.

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Two sections that give insight into Baba Ji's routine and Nam Simran from the book Pachhami Parkash
A Biography of his Holiness Sant Karam Singh Ji. Book can be found in link below.
 
Baba Karam Singh Ji Maharaj’s meditations 
 
On reaching Mardan, within 8 days Baba Ji had already observed all the local areas nearby, finding a very peaceful spot on the banks of a river called Kalpani. Their duty began at 1am in the early morning till 3am, but before they began their duty during the night they would sit on the banks of the river and meditate on God name (Naam) in peaceful bliss as for Baba Ji this was of the utmost importance, from the time they had taken Amrit Baptism they would daily set time for meditating on the Guru’s mantra and would also find time to do loving prayers not letting any time go to waste. It seemed that he was sent from the Creator for this one purpose, as this shone from their forehead.
Panna 469: Only those whose karma You have pre-ordained from the very beginning, O Lord, meditate on You. 
 Baba Ji would do ishnaan at 12.30am at night and then completing his duty from 1am till 3am during which they would repeat Mool Mantr or JapJi Sahib, then they would again cross the river and then again sit in deep meditation until sunrise, after which they would arrive at the Gurdwara where they would pay their respects to Guru Maharaj, they would sit and listen to the singing and recitals of prays (Kirtan and Gurbani). During the morning they would continue doing service, making food, filling water and serving meals to all the Soldiers while reciting prays. After the morning they would rest for only two hours before the evening program where they would arrive and recite the evening prays of Rehras Sahib and Aarti with the congregation followed by the sing of prays (Kirtan) and religious discourse (Katha), after which they would go to their peaceful spot on the banks of the river and sit in meditation until 12.30am then again bathe and continue with their regular routine, and through the day continue with remembering the ever pervading Lords name. This was their routine which many would admire and many baptized and non baptized Sikhs and Hindus as well as Muslim Pathaans and Sadhus would befriend them, who they would advise to be truthful and do good deeds and live according to the truth and always continue to gain truth.
Daily routine of Baba Karam Singh Ji Maharaj
Since Baba Ji had left the Army to pursue the true work of the Creator they mostly resided in Hoti in a quiet and peaceful place on the banks of Kalpani, where Baba Ji had constructed nine small huts. Soon enough Sant Lal Singh Ji had received their pension and had also arrived in Baba Ji’s service.  
Due to Sant Lal Singh Ji’s humble request they had also dug a well to deal with the increase in devotees and constructed rooms for storing food rations as well as mud huts for the saints who stayed at Hoti. But with all this expansion and increase in the congregation at the camp, Baba Ji felt it necessary to go on the pilgrimage which was to Panja Sahib, Amritsar and Haridwar. But on Baba Ji’s return the numbers of the people that came daily had also increased many folds, of whom many came from great distances along with many spirtual students coming to learn and succeed in their journey of life by living in the company of such a beloved soul of the Lords.  
The devotees would arrive in the early hours of the morning, continuing to arrive and depart all day leaving the camp bustling until the late evening. The free kitchen also ran twenty four hours a day to feed all the devotees and all these responsibilities were left to Sant Lal Singh Ji. With fresh yogurt and sweet rice in the morning and at 12 noon chapatti’s with lentils and pulses and at 3pm a cool almond drink and finally ending the evening with a varying meal with chapatti’s. All to accommodate the array of the visting congregation whether Hindu, Muslim Pataan, Sikh Soldiers or English Officers, Guru Ji’s free kitchen was open to all. 
 Baba Ji’s routine was very intense with great dedication and no excuses. Until 11pm at night they would sit on the bank’s of the river in meditation, and then from 11pm to 1.30am Baba Ji would rest in the love of the Lord, as a pure and complete soul never sleeps but instead is forever wake, as not even for a second do they forget their beloved. At 1.30am Baba Ji would clean their teeth and then go and bathe in the river Kalpani and whilst submerged in the water they would recite five JapJi Sahib’s. Coming out they would dry and change into fresh clothes and then sit in deep contemplation on the banks, no matter whether rain, wind or cold winter weather Baba Ji always kept this routine through the twelve months of the calendar only covering themselves with a light shawl.  
Many a time during the harsh North India winters they would sit covered in ice but it never bothered them, undistracted from his love for deep meditation. They would
come out of their meditation shaking the ice of their shawl, sometimes their body would freeze and go numb in which case the devotees of the camp would light a fire to warm Baba Ji. And so this continued no matter the weather they stood firm in their meditation in one continuous love.  
At first Baba Ji would go to the camp after his ambrosial hours meditation on horse back but eventually through the congregation’s request they relented to being carried in a throne. This service was taken on by a few beautiful souls, Bhai Ishar Das, Bhai Saen Dita Ji and others from the surrounding areas. The devotees would be ready and waiting by 4am and with great love and respect they would take Baba Ji on their throne to the camp, where sitting in lotus position they would bathe again with 101 pitchers of water.  The people would drink and collect the water in containers to take home, to cure illnesses or diseases.  
Panna 283: Wash the feet of the Holy, and drink in this water. 
 Even though they used 101 water pitchers there was usually only enough for one hand of water to each person due to the sheer volume of people. This was all due to the Lords Name, as his name is the true medicine and cure of all diseases.  
Panna 306: Servant Nanak begs for the dust of the feet of that Gursikh, who himself chants the Naam, and inspires others to chant it. ||2||  
Baba Ji would then get dressed and go to the temple to pay his respects to Guru Granth Sahib Ji Maharaj and take on the service of chur sahib whilst listening to the singing of the Asa Di Var prayer until the end of the morning program at 9am. After which they would sit out in the open, under a tree with the devotees for an hour listening to their wishes and problems, unload their burdens and give them sweet blessings saying, “Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj will be compassionate, just trust in him, and awake at the ambrosial hours as only through contemplation and meditation on the Lords name will all your duties be completed.” And for those who came with physical diseases or illness Baba Ji would tell them that on forgetting the Lord; diseases begin and grow and that the only cure for all diseases is meditation on God’s name.  
Panna 135: Forgetting the Transcendent Lord, all sorts of illnesses are contracted. 
Panna 274: The Naam is the panacea, the remedy to cure all ills. 
 One of the saints named Bhai Nihaal Singh Ji would make medicine from plants and herbs and with Baba Ji’s blessing he would give it out to the poor and disease ridden, curing them. After 10am Baba Ji would prepare to leave, back to their hut but before leaving they would go and see the cows and buffalos, stroking them and talking to them, giving directions to look after them feed them well and that if the animals needed anything the people tasked with looking after the animals should not hesitate to ask, as they weren’t able to communicate back themselves. Money from the congregation was never handled by Baba Ji as this task had been allocated to Saen Dita Ji and Bagvan Das, who were in charge of purchasing everything needed for the camp, from food for the free kitchen to clothing for the saints.
At 12 noon a meal from the free kitchen would be taken to Baba Ji’s hut. In the afternoon they would bathe again and they go out for a ride on their horse and on return they would sit outside and listen to prays of Rehras Sahib and Arthi with the congregation that had gathered. The congregation would follow by singing Guru’s words followed by religious discourse then from 9 to 11 pm Baba Ji would again go to the river bank and sit in a deep meditative state in pure loving bliss. 
 Baba Ji’s meals in the evenings were always eaten with the saints and devotees, which was a small meal with warm milk before resting for the night. Many a time they would bring their bed out to under the night sky. Now this routine continued with a 1.30am start to their meditation continuing throughout the day and evening and night.

dalsingh I will also miss your posts on here and Sikh Sangat if you leave. You are the best poster around. You should definitely reconsider.

You are NOT allowed to leave bro. Get your ass back here.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Agree. Beat him and tie him to a chair. We have need for him. 
Wait ..tie him to the chair THEN beat him. Yes. 
 

@dalsingh101veer ji please don't leave this site won't be the same without you.

It'll be on my reading list brother. If ever you come to London, email me in advance, and we'll meet in a quiet Gurdwara and maybe read some Akaal Ustat together! lol When some of the Taksali gianis come to these ends (some of the apparently well known ones), they usually stay with a relative - so if you know one of them is coming - you might want to ride along. 
Thanks for what you've done, and if for no one else - I can say it's been life changing for the better, at times when I needed it the most - for me at least.  

You be missed, stick for while. We created new section First Nations ...would love to get more input from your self as mor research is needed

I've been on these forums for well over a decade now. In that time, I've learnt SO MUCH about my Sikhi heritage (recently especially in terms of my own Bhai Daya Singh sampardaya heritage), learnt to read my prayers (though I don't do that nearly enough these days), finally improved my Gurmukhi skills (through translations we did together) and shared opinions on many topics, I've felt were important to our panth (like grooming and caste), and maybe most importantly (???) brought simran/meditation into my life.  Spending time on forums is often considered a waste of time, and often is, but I can say here, in my personal experience - that has not been true and places like this have helped me grow so much.  
I want to thank all the people who have helped on this journey even though I have so much to still work on myself. 
I guess I'm just posting this to let people know that work commitments and a sense that the community will now go in whichever direction it will, and that I've more than said my piece - means that I won't be frequenting the sites like I did before. I will check in now and then because sometimes gems come up. But the rest of you, take care of yourselves, and always keep our Guru's and what they stood for in your hearts and souls. 
I've have some old broken laptops with images and documents that might be of interest. When I get these transferred onto a hard drive in future (probably after the new year), I'll post anything I think worthy of sharing.
 
One love and thank you my brothers and sisters. 
 
Dal Singh
 
PS - N30, you're a star for championing free speech in the panth like you have!

What happened in th Sakhi is that a Singh got captured by Mughals and they circumcised him, cut his hair, fed him halal meat(not jhatka) and did Muslim rites on that Singh. When the Singh was freed he came to maharaj Ji and told maharaj Ji the whole ordeal. Maharaj Ji asked if he had sexual intercourse with a Muslim woman and the Singh said no. Maharaj Ji said that you are still a sikh of maharaj Ji. This is the gist of this Sakhi. 
FYI scholars like dally, chatanga or Amardeep might know and my translations might be wrong.

Im just going Sikhkhoj style :) For some weird reason he prefers a rough debate with insults along the way

​I seriously doubt it. In Guru Granth Sahib it is quite clear that Guru Nanak Dev ji is the incarnation of Hari. Any other other theory is a misunderstanding of this.
Are you sure you are reading them correctly?
Well "sound like hinduism" is not a good reason to reject anything. The concept of Atma "sound like Hinduism" but is a crucial concept in Guru Granth Sahib.
Guru Nanak Dev ji being an incarnation of Hari "sound like Hinduism" but it's mentioned again and again in Guru Granth Sahib.

Now Paapiman has presented no evidence. Caste is not evidence of reincarnation.

But hypothetically It is quite possible that caste is carried over to some degree. Especially if you consider that reincarnation maybe a method of learning and advancement of a soul. So the soul might want to pick a similar environment to advance in. If you change environments now it has to spend time learning the environment rather than focusing on its own purpose.
I wouldn't say it is restricted geographically... rather people from one geographical region or culture want to reincarnate back in to that region and culture. Where would you want to reincarnate to after you die? In some random culture you've never even heard of before? whom you can't even identify with?

So for this reason as well caste maybe preserved as that individual may want to do the same kinds of things as they did in previous births. It's goes against the idea that caste is oppression, doesn't it? Does someone actually like being a Ghumeyar, potter? Of course!

And often times when there is evidence of reincarnation you can only look so far until you find a match between the dead person and the newborn. So it's the nature of evidence itself that is restricted as well.

Haha unlike you who just keep mentioning unnamed scholars and unnamed sources (which probably dont even exist you crappy liar) I actually name the people I take information from so people can read up on the arguments..... But if taking information from someone Means that im up their arse,-  does it mean that your head is up all those unnamed scholars and professors arses as well? Indeed your head has been up in many arses by now then. You are indeed a little mental piece of shit.
I humbly bow for all the times you've enlightened me - you are indeed a Blessing to this World. May it be that millions more are blessed with your guidance and superior knowledge.

Pandit Tara Singh Narotam was a great scholar indeed but I think he was also constrained a bit by the British camp. He was working in an akhara that was ultimately funded by the Patiala Raj which was heavily linked with the angrezi raj. The brits had a vested interest in downplaying and destroying the martial and independant elements of the Khalsa which is the spirit that is imbibed in Dasam Bani. Therefore they had a great interest in distancing the Sikhs from their martial Khalsa heritage as expressed in Dasam bani.

Satkiran just stop... Something's you say are really way off. Guru hargobind sahib Ji had I think 3 or 4 wives. Guru gobind Singh Ji had 3 wives. It wouldn't shock me if the 7th guru had 8 wives. Also just because you read some parts of dasam Granth and say how could that be attributed to guru cause it doesn't follow your thinking doesn't make it wrong.. Sri charitarphkiyan is a bani about the character of humans and in there it is written about both men and women so get your facts straight.. Most of the Khalsa Rehit is from dasam Granth.. In dasam Granth you get the ardaas, it tells the kakaars, it tells who the guru is etc... Without dasam Granth the panth would be completely different... The whole dasam Granth is guru gobind Singh Ji's writings... Sri sarbloh Granth is guru Ji's writing as well. Sri hazur sahib, Sri Patna sahib, nihang dals all have Sri dasam Granth with Guru Granth Sahib. Up until 1945 Sri dasam Granth and Sri Guru Granth Sahib were on the same level parkash in akaal takht.. So satkiran just speak what you know about.

I'll answer your original question by using an answer you aka simarjot on sikh Sangat said.

"Just because some of the rehet maryadas say 'Singhs' is not meant to discriminate or allow based on gender. It was explained to me by an SGPC Jathedar that it's used more in the same light as the word Khalsa... women and men both take Amrit, but yet the male form of the word Khalsa is used. Same as in Engligh man = mankind (women and men). "

Do all women do injections? Nobody in India does it and no amritdhari would do it cause it is not natural. The reason for keeping our hair or not peircing our ears is to be all natural. It wouldn't be natural if women do injection or drugs etc.
I don't have a peoblem with women doing seva(excluding panj pyare seva) but dont do it when on period. I think 99 percent of amritdhari bibis would agree with me.

English translations are crap by the way. If you want to know the meaning of gurbani to the full extent than the only way is by reading them in punjabi. One of the best steeks is the faridkot Vala teeka but the punjabi is so hard that it's even hard for me to understand!