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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
    Daas also wants to request sangat on the forum that those who can't attend the classes or don't want to for any reason can post the inaccuracies you found while reading bani on this thread. You can also ask about the uchaaran of certain words. Sangat can do vichar on the basis of Gurbani grammar and knowledge and come up with a solution.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (India)
     
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Hirsutism facial hair on women   
    Here is what guru sahib says Bhenji 
    ਮੁੰਧੇਤੂਚਲੁਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਇ॥
    O woman, you must walk in harmony with the Guru's Will.
    ਚੰਦਨੁਮੋਲਿਅਣਾਇਆਕੁੰਗੂਮਾਂਗਸੰਧੂਰੁ॥
    The bride may buy sandalwood oil and perfumes, and apply them in great quantities to her hair;
    ਚੋਆਚੰਦਨੁਬਹੁਘਣਾਪਾਨਾਨਾਲਿਕਪੂਰੁ॥
    she may sweeten her breath with betel leaf and camphor,
    ਜੇਧਨਕੰਤਿਨਭਾਵਈਤਸਭਿਅਡੰਬਰਕੂੜੁ॥੪॥
    but if this bride is not pleasing to her Husband Lord, then all these trappings are false. ||4||
    ਸਭਿਰਸਭੋਗਣਬਾਦਿਹਹਿਸਭਿਸੀਗਾਰਵਿਕਾਰ॥
    Her enjoyment of all pleasures is futile, and all her decorations are corrupt.
    ਲਖਸੀਗਾਰਬਣਾਇਆਕਾਰਜਿਨਾਹੀਕੇਤੁ॥
    She may wear thousands of ornaments, but they are of no use at all.
    ਜਿਤੁਦਿਨਿਦੇਹਬਿਨਸਸੀਤਿਤੁਵੇਲੈਕਹਸਨਿਪ੍ਰੇਤੁ॥
    On that day when the body perishes-at that time, she becomes a ghost.
    If one says, that it is important because of self confident issues, then guru sahib says 
    ਜਬ ਲਗ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਰਹੇ ਨਿਆਰਾ॥
    ਤਬ ਲਗ ਤੇਜ ਦੀਓ ਮੈਂ ਸਾਰਾ॥
    ਜਬ ਇਹ ਗਹੈ ਬਿਪਰਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ॥
    ਮੈ ਨ ਕਰਉਂ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ॥
    Reminding us not to adopt ways of this world.
    You will look the most beautiful in this world and the world will look at you. This is guaranteed by Guru Sahib,
    ਵਾਹੁਵਾਹੁਕਰਹਿਸੇਈਜਨਸੋਹਣੇਤਿਨ੍ਹਕਉਪਰਜਾਪੂਜਣਆਈ॥
    Most beautiful are those persons who chant Waaho! Waaho! ; people come to venerate them.

    If you follow hukam,
    ਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਣੈਜੋਚਲੈਦੁਖੁਨਪਾਵੈਕੋਇ॥੩॥
     One who walks in harmony with the Guru's Will shall not suffer in pain. ||3||
    ਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਣੈਜੋਚਲੈਤਾਂਜੀਵਣਪਦਵੀਪਾਹਿ॥
    One who walks in harmony with the Guru's Will, obtains the supreme status of life.
    ਸਤਿਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਣੈਜੋਚਲੈਹਰਿਸੇਤੀਰਲਿਆ॥
    One who walks in harmony with the Will of the True Guru, is blended with the Lord.
    Bhenji as a male, I may not understand your situation. But this is what Gurbani says about what you are talking about.
    May Guru Sahib give you strength 
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh 

     
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Hirsutism facial hair on women   
    Bhenji, facial hairs and beard hairs are giving you medical problems or are you asking the allowance for treatment of facial hairs through medical technology?
    First thing, if you remain as it is and don't do any chherh chaarh with your body, you will remain healthy. A major reason for today's health problems to humans is consumption of processed stuff filled with all kinds of gandh. Today, people apply so many artificials to their skin like makeup which harms their skin. 
    However, Guru Sahib has ordered Khalsa to keep dietary bibek and refrain from applying all kinds of decorating stuff on our bodies (makeup, jewellery etc).
    "Saabat Soorat Rab Di Panneh Beyimaan"
    If you have a mini beard, then instead of fearing the opinions and comments of this kalyugi duniya, take it as a challenge. If you successfully complete it, Guru Gobind Singh Ji will give you immeasurable amount of love! Just imagine Guru Sahib saying,
    "ਇਹ ਮੇਰੀ ਸੱਚੀ ਧੀ ਆ" (She is my real daughter) 
    You can also watch interviews and lectures of Bibi Harnaam Kaur who has full beard to know her perspective. (Don't look at her makeup and modelling stuff! These are Manmat).
    Just accept this as Guru Sahib's hukam. This is maybe a result of your previous life karams. If you cut/remove your hairs then surely you can't get liberation as you violated hukam and tried to escape that punishment. If you will be born again, you will again get the same punishment or maybe more severe than that. But if you adopt the attitude of "Tera Kiya Meetha Laage", you will be honored in the court of Dharam Rai.
    ਮਨਕਰਹਲਾਮੇਰੇਸਾਜਨਾਹਰਿਖਰਚੁਲੀਆਪਤਿਪਾਇ॥
    O camel-like mind, my good friend, take the supplies of the Lord's Name, and obtain honor.
    ਹਰਿਦਰਗਹਪੈਨਾਇਆਹਰਿਆਪਿਲਇਆਗਲਿਲਾਇ॥੯॥
    In the Court of the Lord, you shall be robed with honor, and the Lord Himself shall embrace you. ||9||
    ਜਿਸੁਪਿਆਰੇਸਿਉਨੇਹੁਤਿਸੁਆਗੈਮਰਿਚਲੀਐ॥
    Die before the one whom you love;
    ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁਜੀਵਣੁਸੰਸਾਰਿਤਾਕੈਪਾਛੈਜੀਵਣਾ॥੨॥
    Cursed is one's life if one lives for this transient world ||2||
     
    Do Ardaas and beg to Guru Sahib to give you the strength to fight this world and do Kamaayi of Sikhi.
    Guru Sahib Kirpa Karan 
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Noobhere in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Sangat Ji, today I attended the second last class of Tav Prasad Saviyye Santhiya and here I would like to aware you of popular mistakes in gutke and Gurbani apps.
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    2nd  Saviyya
    ਏਤੇ ਭਏ ਤੁ ਕਹਾ ਭਏ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨਾਂਗੇ ਹੀ ਪਾਂਇ ਪਧਾਰੇ॥੨॥੨੨॥
    In many gutke, ਭੂਪਤਿ is written as ਭੂਪਤ which is misprint.
    3rd Saviyya 
    ਗੁੰਜਤ ਗੂੜ ਗਜਾਨ ਕੇ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਹਿੰਸਤ ਹੈਂ ਹਯਰਾਜ ਹਜਾਰੇ॥ 
    In many gutke, ਹੈਂ is written as ਹੀ which is misprint.
    In 4th Saviyya 
    ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਨ ਦਇਆ ਦਮ ਦਾਨ ਸੁ ਸੰਜਮ ਨੇਮ ਅਨੇਕ ਬਿਸੇਖੈ॥
    ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਜਮੀਨ ਜਮਾਨ ਸਬਾਨ ਕੇ ਪੇਖੈ॥
    ਪਉਨ ਅਹਾਰ ਜਤੀ ਜਤ ਧਾਰ ਸਬੈ ਸੁ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਹਜਾਰਕ ਦੇਖੈ॥
    ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਭਜੇ ਬਿਨੁ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਏਕ ਰਤੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਏਕ ਨ ਲੇਖੈ॥੪॥੨੪॥
    Notice the last word in all panktis have Dulaavan on ਖ, that is, ਖੈ. However, in first three panktis the correct spellings of the last words are ਬਿਸੇਖੇ, ਪੇਖੇ, ਦੇਖੇ and the ਲੇਖੈ in last pankti is to read as it is only. ਲੇਖੈ is already correct.
    In 6th Saviyya 
    ਗਾੜ੍ਹੇ ਗੜ੍ਹਾਨ ਕੇ ਤੋੜਨਹਾਰ ਸੁ ਬਾਤਨ ਹੀਂ ਚਕ ਚਾਰ ਲਵੱਯਾ॥
    In many gutke, ਕੇ is written as ਕੋ which is misprint.
    In 8th Saviyya 
    ਕੋਟਿ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਗਜਾਦਿਕ ਦਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਸੁ ਅੰਬਰ ਸਾਜ ਬਰੈਂਗੇ॥
    In many gutke, ਇਸਨਾਨ is written as ਸਨਾਨ which is misprint.
    In 9th Saviyya 
    ਸਾਚੁ ਕਹੋਂ ਸੁਨ ਲੇਹੁ ਸਭੈ ਜਿਨ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਕੀਓ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਇਓ ॥੯॥੨੯॥
    In many gutke, ਕਹੋਂ is written as ਕਹੌਂ which is misprint 
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    Everything above is based on research of puratan handwritten saroops by Ex Akaal Takht Jathedar Late Singh Sahib Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti Ji. 
    Daas will keep on posting on this thread as I come to know about these printing mistakes. I again request all sangat to contribute to this thread. You can write the panktis or words which you found differently written/printed in gutka sahib or Gurbani apps and sangat here can do vichar or I can ask Giani Jee. Daas is 100% sure that if sangat enthusiastically contributes to this thread, the benefit that the readers will get will be ਅਤੁਲ (immeasurable).
    I expect @Soulfinder @Ragmaala @paapiman @sevak @chatanga1 @sarabatam@Samarbir Singh @Jageera @GurjantGnostic @WaheguruDaGulam  @ragnarok  @Noobhere @PCSJZ etc who read bani and who I have talked to on this forum to contribute in this thread.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
     
     
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from paapiman in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
    Daas also wants to request sangat on the forum that those who can't attend the classes or don't want to for any reason can post the inaccuracies you found while reading bani on this thread. You can also ask about the uchaaran of certain words. Sangat can do vichar on the basis of Gurbani grammar and knowledge and come up with a solution.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (India)
     
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
    Daas wants to forward some really useful information to sangat on this forum.
    MISTAKES IN GUTKE AND GURBANI APPS:
    Those people who listen to Nitnem Paath from different paathis on YouTube like Taksaal, Nanaksar, AKJ, or those who have read bani from different Pothis or Gurbani apps must have noted that there are some (sometimes many) differerences in their uchaaran (audio) and in spellings of different words and the position of mangals and sirlekhs.
    Today,the reason for so many inaccuracies in gutke and Gurbani apps are the selfish motives of the Gurbani press and SGPC and ignorance of panthic jathebandis. To earn profits, they just keep on printing gutke and senchis without doing any research. 
    Back then, a great Panthic Scholar Daarji Joginder Singh Talwara Ji was appointed by the panth to do research on puratan saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Pothi sahibs to reduce the differences in saroops. He researched for more than 3 decades and came up with his excellent works which were really ahead of his time.
    Daas will give an example in the end.
    SANTHIYA AND VICHAR:
    Due to the request of UK Sangat, Ex Akaal Takht Jathedar Late Singh Sahib Joginder Singh Vedanti (who was a student of Taksaal and later Talwara Ji) started a Sangat Santhiya class to teach Santhiya and aware sangat of the correct spellings according to puratan handwritten saroops. Daas has joined the Santhiya classes and they are very useful. Currently, our teacher is Bhai Surjit Singh Sabhra, head Granthi of Gurudwara Ber Sahib and we are doing Santhiya of Sri Tav Prasad Saviyye. Very knowledgeable gursikhs also attend the class and come up with views of different scholars on uchaaran and spellings of words like Talwara Ji, Vedanti Ji, Taksaal, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha etc and with sangati vichar, we are able to make our uchaaran more shudh and read words according to Puratan Saroop spellings. If you wish to join, here is the link 
    https://chat.whatsapp.com/GXRJKCmVfd23EfplJYM61d
    Timings of the class:
    Saturday and Sunday 
    1:00-2:00 pm UK
    5:30-6:30 pm India 
    (You can convert the time according to your time zone) 

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    EXAMPLE OF INACCURACY:
    SRI JAAP SAHIB:
    If we ask 3 people that how do they start Sri Jaap Sahib, one will say
    1. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥   ॥ ਜਾਪੁ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥
    2. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ॥ ਜਾਪੁ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥
    Which one is correct? 
    According to the pictures of handwritten puratan saroops given below, the FIRST ONE is correct.

    ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਸੰਨ 1755 ਈ. ਦੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ ਦੇ ਅੰਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਾਪੁ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਰਜ਼। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੀ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਗੁਰਤੇਜ ਸਿੰਘ ਏ.ਐਸ.ਆਈ., Punjab Digital Library)

    ਦਸਮ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦੀ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਛੋਟੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪੋਥੀ।

    ਸੰਨ 1831 ਈ. ਦੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਦਿੱਲੀ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧਕ ਕਮੇਟੀ, Punjab Digital Library)

    SRI ANAND SAHIB:
    There's a prachalit version of Mangal of Anand Sahib.
    ‘ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears before ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
    However, according to puratan handwritten saroops, the manglacharan is 
    ‘ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears after ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
    HOWEVER, After 1735, the handwritten saroops didn't have ਰਾਗੁ in their manglacharan. Their manglacharan was reverse of current manglacharan- 
    ‘ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears after ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
     
    ਸ਼੍ਰੋਮਣੀ ਕਮੇਟੀ ਵਲੋਂ ਛਪਾਈਆਂ ਗਈਆਂ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਵਾਲੀ ਪੋਥੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਫੋਟੋਆਂ।
    ਖੱਬੇ: ਸਤੰਬਰ ੧੯੫੮ ਦੀ ਛਪਾਈ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪੋਥੀ। ਸੱਜੇ: ਸਤੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੦ ਦੀ ਛਪਾਈ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪੋਥੀ।  
    ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਪੋਥੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੋ ਕਿਹਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਛੇਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਪੋਥੀ ਹੈ।
    ਸੰਨ 1695 ਈ. ਦੀ ਰਾਮਰਾਇ ਵਾਲੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਸੰਨ 1714 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)
    SAROOPS AFTER 1735 WITH DIFFERENT MANGLACHARAN (RAAG OMITTED IN RAAG RAMKALI ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ )
    ਸੰਨ 1746 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਤਖਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕੇਸਗੜ੍ਹ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ)
    ਸੰਨ 1749 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਬੀੜ।
    ਸੰਨ 1801 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)
     
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    CONCLUSION:
     Many inaccuracies like these are discussed by sangat along with Santhiya vichar. Daas requests sangat here to take out just 2 hours of the week and contribute to the vichar in the class. This will benefit many. Yesterday, we pointed out 2 mistakes in SGPC Gutka and Head Granthi Sahib (Bhai Surjit Singh Sabhra) said that he will approach SGPC authorities today and make them aware of the mistakes. By contributing to the vichar, we can help ourselves as well as the concerned Sikhs.
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from paapiman in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Daas is pasting links of blogs by Bhai Manvir Singh UK who has done research on Mangals of bani. These blogs are related to the position of mangals in Gurbani, the mistakes which I highlighted in my first post under 'Example of Inaccuracy'.
    Sri Anand Sahib
    http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2021/04/sri-anand-sahib.html?m=1
    Sri Jaap Sahib 
    http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2021/04/historical-references-for-mangal.html?m=1
    Sri Sukhmani sahib 
    http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2021/02/beautifully-handwritten-sukhmani-sahib.html?m=1
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Sajjan_Thug in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Here are the PDFs of Larivaar Pothi and Larivaar Santhiya Pothi published by World Sikh Parliament. Research done by Bhai Amanjot Singh UK on handwritten puratan saroops of Guru Sahib. These were published on the occasion of 400th Gurupurab of Dhan Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur sahib ji.
    These contain all the baani of 9th Guru Sahib with correct spellings of Gurbani words according to puratan saroops.
    Bani Mahala 9 - Santhiya Pothi V2.pdf
    Bani Mahala 9 - Larivaar V2.pdf
    Daas
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Were these Santhiya tracks recorded after Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji went for Sachkhand? Because Daas has heard from many gursikhs that after Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji, the adding of bindi (when necessary to get correct meanings) was greatly reduced by paathis of Jatha Bhindran. 
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    I have heard that uchaaran and putting of bindis has been changed in many words by paathis of Jatha Bhindran after Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji's achkhand gaman. 
    One example is Sant Giani Mohan Singh Ji Bhindranwaale pronounced ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ as ਤੁਐਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ whereas traditionally in all sampradas, ਤ੍ਵਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ was pronounced as ਤੁਅਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh reacted to WaheguruDaGulam in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    I think your right because bhagat ji also says ਤੁਅਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ in the recording.
     
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    Trimandeep Singh reacted to WaheguruDaGulam in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Yes I suppose but they are great vidarthi of Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa
    They studied along with Sant Kartar Singh ji.
    They probably have the most shudh uchaaran of bani in the whole world.
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from paapiman in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Here are the PDFs of Larivaar Pothi and Larivaar Santhiya Pothi published by World Sikh Parliament. Research done by Bhai Amanjot Singh UK on handwritten puratan saroops of Guru Sahib. These were published on the occasion of 400th Gurupurab of Dhan Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur sahib ji.
    These contain all the baani of 9th Guru Sahib with correct spellings of Gurbani words according to puratan saroops.
    Bani Mahala 9 - Santhiya Pothi V2.pdf
    Bani Mahala 9 - Larivaar V2.pdf
    Daas
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
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    Daas is pasting links of blogs by Bhai Manvir Singh UK who has done research on Mangals of bani. These blogs are related to the position of mangals in Gurbani, the mistakes which I highlighted in my first post under 'Example of Inaccuracy'.
    Sri Anand Sahib
    http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2021/04/sri-anand-sahib.html?m=1
    Sri Jaap Sahib 
    http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2021/04/historical-references-for-mangal.html?m=1
    Sri Sukhmani sahib 
    http://manvirsingh.blogspot.com/2021/02/beautifully-handwritten-sukhmani-sahib.html?m=1
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    One thing I can say for sure that in the first pic, there's a bindi under ਸ in ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ which is wrong. In whole Dasam Granth Sahib, Dashmesh Pita hasn't placed any bindi under ਸ.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Thanks Bhai sahib for motivating me. I also heard from gursikhs that as we deep dive into understanding bani, the more we go in, the more we explore those never-heard-before areas. First, Gurbani is Agaadh Bodh. Second, bani also reduces our pride. As we read bani, we consider ourself more nikamma and moorakh and become more of a SIKH, that we don't know anything, it is only Satguru Ji who can bless us. Vaheguru!
     
    Bhai sahib, this is not a new issue. Even Mahakavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji talks about this. I respect your opinions that Raagmaala is bani. However, one is influenced a lot by sangat. I am very much influenced by Gurmat Bibek Gursikhs/Tapoban Sahib Gursikhs or you can say AKJ gursikhs. I have also done research on Raagmala to know the points of people against and in favour of Raagmala. As we are the one left with choice to read it or not, I don't read it. Somehow, I found AKJ opinion more logical and in line with Gurmat. Anyways, main point is that we can't conclude on an online platform if it's bani or not. We have Brahmgyani and Mahaan scholars on both sides. Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji and all AKJ Mahapurakhs, Vidya Martand Pandit Kartar Singh Daakha, Joginder Singh Talwara Ji  were against it and Taksaal, Nanaksar and majority Panth is in favour. However, instead of looking at the difference in opinion we must also look at the love between puratan AKJ and Taksal gursikhs. Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji called Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji a Sant. Sant Kartar Singh Ji would himself serve Langar to Bhai Sahib Jeevan Singh Ji. Baba Harnaam Singh Ji Rampur Khera attended the bhog of sehaj Paath despite knowing bhog would be at mundawni. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji would shower love on Babbar Khalsa Jodhe and Shaheed Bhai Fauja Singh Ji. In 1978, gursikhs of both sides gave shaheedi to protect the honour of their guru.
    It's better not to touch these sensitive topics or else we all will be labelling each other as Kurehtis and Tankhaiye. 
    Bhai Sahib, when did I say I want to become Bhai Pinderpal Singh Ji? Only virle gursikhs can have so much dedication and knowledge about Gurmat. It's my bad that I didn't elaborate. I didn't mean that everyone should leave their work and start doing khoj. I meant to say that we need to do research on Gurbani. We need to inspire others to make efforts to understand bani. Those people who actually have the chaah to become kirtanis and parcharaks and do panthic Sewa, the panth will take care of their household needs through Daswandh. And we should also start with our own family and inspire them to explore this anmol khazaana. Only if we encourage our friends and family to do gurmat deeds, even then it is great panthic Sewa. Main Point is naam japna, Kamaayi karni and doing Sewa of Panth as much as we can. Starting online Santhiya and gurmat vichar classes and using technology to reach mass sangat will also benefit a lot. Contributing to the vichar in this thread will also be a great Sewa by gursikhs.
    May Guru sahib do kirpa and bless his beloved gursikhs to do Sewa and Simran and do mass parchaar of Sikhi.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (India)
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    Sangat Ji, today I attended the second last class of Tav Prasad Saviyye Santhiya and here I would like to aware you of popular mistakes in gutke and Gurbani apps.
    *********************************
    2nd  Saviyya
    ਏਤੇ ਭਏ ਤੁ ਕਹਾ ਭਏ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨਾਂਗੇ ਹੀ ਪਾਂਇ ਪਧਾਰੇ॥੨॥੨੨॥
    In many gutke, ਭੂਪਤਿ is written as ਭੂਪਤ which is misprint.
    3rd Saviyya 
    ਗੁੰਜਤ ਗੂੜ ਗਜਾਨ ਕੇ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਹਿੰਸਤ ਹੈਂ ਹਯਰਾਜ ਹਜਾਰੇ॥ 
    In many gutke, ਹੈਂ is written as ਹੀ which is misprint.
    In 4th Saviyya 
    ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਨ ਦਇਆ ਦਮ ਦਾਨ ਸੁ ਸੰਜਮ ਨੇਮ ਅਨੇਕ ਬਿਸੇਖੈ॥
    ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਜਮੀਨ ਜਮਾਨ ਸਬਾਨ ਕੇ ਪੇਖੈ॥
    ਪਉਨ ਅਹਾਰ ਜਤੀ ਜਤ ਧਾਰ ਸਬੈ ਸੁ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਹਜਾਰਕ ਦੇਖੈ॥
    ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਭਜੇ ਬਿਨੁ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਏਕ ਰਤੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਏਕ ਨ ਲੇਖੈ॥੪॥੨੪॥
    Notice the last word in all panktis have Dulaavan on ਖ, that is, ਖੈ. However, in first three panktis the correct spellings of the last words are ਬਿਸੇਖੇ, ਪੇਖੇ, ਦੇਖੇ and the ਲੇਖੈ in last pankti is to read as it is only. ਲੇਖੈ is already correct.
    In 6th Saviyya 
    ਗਾੜ੍ਹੇ ਗੜ੍ਹਾਨ ਕੇ ਤੋੜਨਹਾਰ ਸੁ ਬਾਤਨ ਹੀਂ ਚਕ ਚਾਰ ਲਵੱਯਾ॥
    In many gutke, ਕੇ is written as ਕੋ which is misprint.
    In 8th Saviyya 
    ਕੋਟਿ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਗਜਾਦਿਕ ਦਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਸੁ ਅੰਬਰ ਸਾਜ ਬਰੈਂਗੇ॥
    In many gutke, ਇਸਨਾਨ is written as ਸਨਾਨ which is misprint.
    In 9th Saviyya 
    ਸਾਚੁ ਕਹੋਂ ਸੁਨ ਲੇਹੁ ਸਭੈ ਜਿਨ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਕੀਓ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਇਓ ॥੯॥੨੯॥
    In many gutke, ਕਹੋਂ is written as ਕਹੌਂ which is misprint 
    **********************************
    Everything above is based on research of puratan handwritten saroops by Ex Akaal Takht Jathedar Late Singh Sahib Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti Ji. 
    Daas will keep on posting on this thread as I come to know about these printing mistakes. I again request all sangat to contribute to this thread. You can write the panktis or words which you found differently written/printed in gutka sahib or Gurbani apps and sangat here can do vichar or I can ask Giani Jee. Daas is 100% sure that if sangat enthusiastically contributes to this thread, the benefit that the readers will get will be ਅਤੁਲ (immeasurable).
    I expect @Soulfinder @Ragmaala @paapiman @sevak @chatanga1 @sarabatam@Samarbir Singh @Jageera @GurjantGnostic @WaheguruDaGulam  @ragnarok  @Noobhere @PCSJZ etc who read bani and who I have talked to on this forum to contribute in this thread.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
     
     
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    Sangat Ji, today I attended the second last class of Tav Prasad Saviyye Santhiya and here I would like to aware you of popular mistakes in gutke and Gurbani apps.
    *********************************
    2nd  Saviyya
    ਏਤੇ ਭਏ ਤੁ ਕਹਾ ਭਏ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਅੰਤ ਕੋ ਨਾਂਗੇ ਹੀ ਪਾਂਇ ਪਧਾਰੇ॥੨॥੨੨॥
    In many gutke, ਭੂਪਤਿ is written as ਭੂਪਤ which is misprint.
    3rd Saviyya 
    ਗੁੰਜਤ ਗੂੜ ਗਜਾਨ ਕੇ ਸੁੰਦਰ ਹਿੰਸਤ ਹੈਂ ਹਯਰਾਜ ਹਜਾਰੇ॥ 
    In many gutke, ਹੈਂ is written as ਹੀ which is misprint.
    In 4th Saviyya 
    ਤੀਰਥ ਨਾਨ ਦਇਆ ਦਮ ਦਾਨ ਸੁ ਸੰਜਮ ਨੇਮ ਅਨੇਕ ਬਿਸੇਖੈ॥
    ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਕਤੇਬ ਕੁਰਾਨ ਜਮੀਨ ਜਮਾਨ ਸਬਾਨ ਕੇ ਪੇਖੈ॥
    ਪਉਨ ਅਹਾਰ ਜਤੀ ਜਤ ਧਾਰ ਸਬੈ ਸੁ ਬਿਚਾਰ ਹਜਾਰਕ ਦੇਖੈ॥
    ਸ੍ਰੀ ਭਗਵਾਨ ਭਜੇ ਬਿਨੁ ਭੂਪਤਿ ਏਕ ਰਤੀ ਬਿਨੁ ਏਕ ਨ ਲੇਖੈ॥੪॥੨੪॥
    Notice the last word in all panktis have Dulaavan on ਖ, that is, ਖੈ. However, in first three panktis the correct spellings of the last words are ਬਿਸੇਖੇ, ਪੇਖੇ, ਦੇਖੇ and the ਲੇਖੈ in last pankti is to read as it is only. ਲੇਖੈ is already correct.
    In 6th Saviyya 
    ਗਾੜ੍ਹੇ ਗੜ੍ਹਾਨ ਕੇ ਤੋੜਨਹਾਰ ਸੁ ਬਾਤਨ ਹੀਂ ਚਕ ਚਾਰ ਲਵੱਯਾ॥
    In many gutke, ਕੇ is written as ਕੋ which is misprint.
    In 8th Saviyya 
    ਕੋਟਿ ਇਸਨਾਨ ਗਜਾਦਿਕ ਦਾਨ ਅਨੇਕ ਸੁ ਅੰਬਰ ਸਾਜ ਬਰੈਂਗੇ॥
    In many gutke, ਇਸਨਾਨ is written as ਸਨਾਨ which is misprint.
    In 9th Saviyya 
    ਸਾਚੁ ਕਹੋਂ ਸੁਨ ਲੇਹੁ ਸਭੈ ਜਿਨ ਪ੍ਰੇਮ ਕੀਓ ਤਿਨ ਹੀ ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਪਾਇਓ ॥੯॥੨੯॥
    In many gutke, ਕਹੋਂ is written as ਕਹੌਂ which is misprint 
    **********************************
    Everything above is based on research of puratan handwritten saroops by Ex Akaal Takht Jathedar Late Singh Sahib Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti Ji. 
    Daas will keep on posting on this thread as I come to know about these printing mistakes. I again request all sangat to contribute to this thread. You can write the panktis or words which you found differently written/printed in gutka sahib or Gurbani apps and sangat here can do vichar or I can ask Giani Jee. Daas is 100% sure that if sangat enthusiastically contributes to this thread, the benefit that the readers will get will be ਅਤੁਲ (immeasurable).
    I expect @Soulfinder @Ragmaala @paapiman @sevak @chatanga1 @sarabatam@Samarbir Singh @Jageera @GurjantGnostic @WaheguruDaGulam  @ragnarok  @Noobhere @PCSJZ etc who read bani and who I have talked to on this forum to contribute in this thread.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
     
     
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    Thanks Bhai sahib for motivating me. I also heard from gursikhs that as we deep dive into understanding bani, the more we go in, the more we explore those never-heard-before areas. First, Gurbani is Agaadh Bodh. Second, bani also reduces our pride. As we read bani, we consider ourself more nikamma and moorakh and become more of a SIKH, that we don't know anything, it is only Satguru Ji who can bless us. Vaheguru!
     
    Bhai sahib, this is not a new issue. Even Mahakavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji talks about this. I respect your opinions that Raagmaala is bani. However, one is influenced a lot by sangat. I am very much influenced by Gurmat Bibek Gursikhs/Tapoban Sahib Gursikhs or you can say AKJ gursikhs. I have also done research on Raagmala to know the points of people against and in favour of Raagmala. As we are the one left with choice to read it or not, I don't read it. Somehow, I found AKJ opinion more logical and in line with Gurmat. Anyways, main point is that we can't conclude on an online platform if it's bani or not. We have Brahmgyani and Mahaan scholars on both sides. Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji and all AKJ Mahapurakhs, Vidya Martand Pandit Kartar Singh Daakha, Joginder Singh Talwara Ji  were against it and Taksaal, Nanaksar and majority Panth is in favour. However, instead of looking at the difference in opinion we must also look at the love between puratan AKJ and Taksal gursikhs. Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji called Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji a Sant. Sant Kartar Singh Ji would himself serve Langar to Bhai Sahib Jeevan Singh Ji. Baba Harnaam Singh Ji Rampur Khera attended the bhog of sehaj Paath despite knowing bhog would be at mundawni. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji would shower love on Babbar Khalsa Jodhe and Shaheed Bhai Fauja Singh Ji. In 1978, gursikhs of both sides gave shaheedi to protect the honour of their guru.
    It's better not to touch these sensitive topics or else we all will be labelling each other as Kurehtis and Tankhaiye. 
    Bhai Sahib, when did I say I want to become Bhai Pinderpal Singh Ji? Only virle gursikhs can have so much dedication and knowledge about Gurmat. It's my bad that I didn't elaborate. I didn't mean that everyone should leave their work and start doing khoj. I meant to say that we need to do research on Gurbani. We need to inspire others to make efforts to understand bani. Those people who actually have the chaah to become kirtanis and parcharaks and do panthic Sewa, the panth will take care of their household needs through Daswandh. And we should also start with our own family and inspire them to explore this anmol khazaana. Only if we encourage our friends and family to do gurmat deeds, even then it is great panthic Sewa. Main Point is naam japna, Kamaayi karni and doing Sewa of Panth as much as we can. Starting online Santhiya and gurmat vichar classes and using technology to reach mass sangat will also benefit a lot. Contributing to the vichar in this thread will also be a great Sewa by gursikhs.
    May Guru sahib do kirpa and bless his beloved gursikhs to do Sewa and Simran and do mass parchaar of Sikhi.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (India)
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    One thing I can say for sure that in the first pic, there's a bindi under ਸ in ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ which is wrong. In whole Dasam Granth Sahib, Dashmesh Pita hasn't placed any bindi under ਸ.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    @Soulfinderji, I think sangat here (including me) can't do much about Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji Baani. You can post mistakes in Aad Bani in Gutke and apps. I think sangat will be able to give more input on that.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Thanks Bhai sahib for motivating me. I also heard from gursikhs that as we deep dive into understanding bani, the more we go in, the more we explore those never-heard-before areas. First, Gurbani is Agaadh Bodh. Second, bani also reduces our pride. As we read bani, we consider ourself more nikamma and moorakh and become more of a SIKH, that we don't know anything, it is only Satguru Ji who can bless us. Vaheguru!
     
    Bhai sahib, this is not a new issue. Even Mahakavi Bhai Santokh Singh Ji talks about this. I respect your opinions that Raagmaala is bani. However, one is influenced a lot by sangat. I am very much influenced by Gurmat Bibek Gursikhs/Tapoban Sahib Gursikhs or you can say AKJ gursikhs. I have also done research on Raagmala to know the points of people against and in favour of Raagmala. As we are the one left with choice to read it or not, I don't read it. Somehow, I found AKJ opinion more logical and in line with Gurmat. Anyways, main point is that we can't conclude on an online platform if it's bani or not. We have Brahmgyani and Mahaan scholars on both sides. Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji and all AKJ Mahapurakhs, Vidya Martand Pandit Kartar Singh Daakha, Joginder Singh Talwara Ji  were against it and Taksaal, Nanaksar and majority Panth is in favour. However, instead of looking at the difference in opinion we must also look at the love between puratan AKJ and Taksal gursikhs. Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji called Bhai Sahib Randhir Singh Ji a Sant. Sant Kartar Singh Ji would himself serve Langar to Bhai Sahib Jeevan Singh Ji. Baba Harnaam Singh Ji Rampur Khera attended the bhog of sehaj Paath despite knowing bhog would be at mundawni. Sant Jarnail Singh Ji would shower love on Babbar Khalsa Jodhe and Shaheed Bhai Fauja Singh Ji. In 1978, gursikhs of both sides gave shaheedi to protect the honour of their guru.
    It's better not to touch these sensitive topics or else we all will be labelling each other as Kurehtis and Tankhaiye. 
    Bhai Sahib, when did I say I want to become Bhai Pinderpal Singh Ji? Only virle gursikhs can have so much dedication and knowledge about Gurmat. It's my bad that I didn't elaborate. I didn't mean that everyone should leave their work and start doing khoj. I meant to say that we need to do research on Gurbani. We need to inspire others to make efforts to understand bani. Those people who actually have the chaah to become kirtanis and parcharaks and do panthic Sewa, the panth will take care of their household needs through Daswandh. And we should also start with our own family and inspire them to explore this anmol khazaana. Only if we encourage our friends and family to do gurmat deeds, even then it is great panthic Sewa. Main Point is naam japna, Kamaayi karni and doing Sewa of Panth as much as we can. Starting online Santhiya and gurmat vichar classes and using technology to reach mass sangat will also benefit a lot. Contributing to the vichar in this thread will also be a great Sewa by gursikhs.
    May Guru sahib do kirpa and bless his beloved gursikhs to do Sewa and Simran and do mass parchaar of Sikhi.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (India)
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    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
    Daas also wants to request sangat on the forum that those who can't attend the classes or don't want to for any reason can post the inaccuracies you found while reading bani on this thread. You can also ask about the uchaaran of certain words. Sangat can do vichar on the basis of Gurbani grammar and knowledge and come up with a solution.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh (India)
     
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    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
    Daas wants to forward some really useful information to sangat on this forum.
    MISTAKES IN GUTKE AND GURBANI APPS:
    Those people who listen to Nitnem Paath from different paathis on YouTube like Taksaal, Nanaksar, AKJ, or those who have read bani from different Pothis or Gurbani apps must have noted that there are some (sometimes many) differerences in their uchaaran (audio) and in spellings of different words and the position of mangals and sirlekhs.
    Today,the reason for so many inaccuracies in gutke and Gurbani apps are the selfish motives of the Gurbani press and SGPC and ignorance of panthic jathebandis. To earn profits, they just keep on printing gutke and senchis without doing any research. 
    Back then, a great Panthic Scholar Daarji Joginder Singh Talwara Ji was appointed by the panth to do research on puratan saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Pothi sahibs to reduce the differences in saroops. He researched for more than 3 decades and came up with his excellent works which were really ahead of his time.
    Daas will give an example in the end.
    SANTHIYA AND VICHAR:
    Due to the request of UK Sangat, Ex Akaal Takht Jathedar Late Singh Sahib Joginder Singh Vedanti (who was a student of Taksaal and later Talwara Ji) started a Sangat Santhiya class to teach Santhiya and aware sangat of the correct spellings according to puratan handwritten saroops. Daas has joined the Santhiya classes and they are very useful. Currently, our teacher is Bhai Surjit Singh Sabhra, head Granthi of Gurudwara Ber Sahib and we are doing Santhiya of Sri Tav Prasad Saviyye. Very knowledgeable gursikhs also attend the class and come up with views of different scholars on uchaaran and spellings of words like Talwara Ji, Vedanti Ji, Taksaal, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha etc and with sangati vichar, we are able to make our uchaaran more shudh and read words according to Puratan Saroop spellings. If you wish to join, here is the link 
    https://chat.whatsapp.com/GXRJKCmVfd23EfplJYM61d
    Timings of the class:
    Saturday and Sunday 
    1:00-2:00 pm UK
    5:30-6:30 pm India 
    (You can convert the time according to your time zone) 

    ******************************************
    EXAMPLE OF INACCURACY:
    SRI JAAP SAHIB:
    If we ask 3 people that how do they start Sri Jaap Sahib, one will say
    1. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥   ॥ ਜਾਪੁ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥
    2. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ॥ ਜਾਪੁ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥
    Which one is correct? 
    According to the pictures of handwritten puratan saroops given below, the FIRST ONE is correct.

    ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਸੰਨ 1755 ਈ. ਦੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ ਦੇ ਅੰਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਾਪੁ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਰਜ਼। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੀ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਗੁਰਤੇਜ ਸਿੰਘ ਏ.ਐਸ.ਆਈ., Punjab Digital Library)

    ਦਸਮ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦੀ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਛੋਟੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪੋਥੀ।

    ਸੰਨ 1831 ਈ. ਦੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਦਿੱਲੀ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧਕ ਕਮੇਟੀ, Punjab Digital Library)

    SRI ANAND SAHIB:
    There's a prachalit version of Mangal of Anand Sahib.
    ‘ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears before ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
    However, according to puratan handwritten saroops, the manglacharan is 
    ‘ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears after ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
    HOWEVER, After 1735, the handwritten saroops didn't have ਰਾਗੁ in their manglacharan. Their manglacharan was reverse of current manglacharan- 
    ‘ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears after ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
     
    ਸ਼੍ਰੋਮਣੀ ਕਮੇਟੀ ਵਲੋਂ ਛਪਾਈਆਂ ਗਈਆਂ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਵਾਲੀ ਪੋਥੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਫੋਟੋਆਂ।
    ਖੱਬੇ: ਸਤੰਬਰ ੧੯੫੮ ਦੀ ਛਪਾਈ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪੋਥੀ। ਸੱਜੇ: ਸਤੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੦ ਦੀ ਛਪਾਈ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪੋਥੀ।  
    ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਪੋਥੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੋ ਕਿਹਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਛੇਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਪੋਥੀ ਹੈ।
    ਸੰਨ 1695 ਈ. ਦੀ ਰਾਮਰਾਇ ਵਾਲੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਸੰਨ 1714 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)
    SAROOPS AFTER 1735 WITH DIFFERENT MANGLACHARAN (RAAG OMITTED IN RAAG RAMKALI ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ )
    ਸੰਨ 1746 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਤਖਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕੇਸਗੜ੍ਹ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ)
    ਸੰਨ 1749 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਬੀੜ।
    ਸੰਨ 1801 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)
     
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    CONCLUSION:
     Many inaccuracies like these are discussed by sangat along with Santhiya vichar. Daas requests sangat here to take out just 2 hours of the week and contribute to the vichar in the class. This will benefit many. Yesterday, we pointed out 2 mistakes in SGPC Gutka and Head Granthi Sahib (Bhai Surjit Singh Sabhra) said that he will approach SGPC authorities today and make them aware of the mistakes. By contributing to the vichar, we can help ourselves as well as the concerned Sikhs.
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
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    Trimandeep Singh reacted to Ragmaala in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    @Trimandeep Singh I love your enthusiasm. You are energetic and using your time in a productive manner. Keep it up!
    With time, and more experience you will realize the uncertainties in life, the grey areas, and the more you experience, the more you will know that you don't know anything. Atleast that was the case for me. But Keep it up!
    Now onto some points you made. 
    This is a bigger issue that needs to be addressed first. If you don't read complete bani at Akal Takht , how does one expect a chardikala to happen? I hope the conclusion you are referring to is that Ragmala is Baani. 
     
    How do you propose to do that ? Let's say you want to become Bhai Pinderpal Singh. How would do you do that ? Let's not talk about producing others, let's talk about transforming ourselves. In order to do correct parchar, one needs to have practical experience of Gurbani.  Mahapurush who did great prachar were all great Naam Abhiyasis and Kamai vale. Naam Abhiyaas comes first, then parchar is a duty given by Akal Purakh Ji. If there is Kamai, only then the parchar will pierce into the hearts.  for example, the kathavachacks from Damdamil Taksal during Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji's time were advised to have completed 36 Lakh mala of Moolmantra or 20-25000 Waheguru Japa everyday.
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