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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Brahm kavach   
    So what if a baana waala nihang is doing this. Many people today wear gurmukhi baana but still don't refrain from doing qurehits. 
    Today, so many nihangs with baana don't do kirt Kamaayi and most probably either they are dhille in rehat or fake nihangs.
    Currently, I am against Havan and these videos are not any evidence that Havan is gurmat. But if you provide some panktis from Guru Sahib Rachit Granths and writings of Bhai Gurdaas Ji and Bhai Nand Lal Ji, then Daas can consider that and do vichar.
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Will be doing 125,000 Mool Mantar Jaap   
    Shaving hairs is a universal Paap because it means violating the hukam of the creator.
    Noone should alter the appearance given by the creator to us. Changing our appearance means an insult to Vaheguru that he didn't make us perfect and it is because of 'my' effort that I look 'better' now.
    Hindus, Muslims, Christians should not cut hairs from any part of their body because even their prophets/isht  (33 crore devte, Prophet Muhammad, Jesus Christ) didn't cut their hairs. Unshorn hairs are not exclusive to Sikhi. Hindus,Muslims and Christians can keep unshorn hair while remaining faithful to their religions.
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Hirsutism facial hair on women   
    What? So you are saying cutting/removing hair from any part of your body is not allowed to any Sikh except those who have more facial growth than normal?
    Are you serious? And yes, a bibi who doesn't remove facial hairs is very chardikala bibi because she actually cares about Khushi of Guru Sahib and not kalyugis.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Hirsutism facial hair on women   
    Here is what guru sahib says Bhenji 
    ਮੁੰਧੇਤੂਚਲੁਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਇ॥
    O woman, you must walk in harmony with the Guru's Will.
    ਚੰਦਨੁਮੋਲਿਅਣਾਇਆਕੁੰਗੂਮਾਂਗਸੰਧੂਰੁ॥
    The bride may buy sandalwood oil and perfumes, and apply them in great quantities to her hair;
    ਚੋਆਚੰਦਨੁਬਹੁਘਣਾਪਾਨਾਨਾਲਿਕਪੂਰੁ॥
    she may sweeten her breath with betel leaf and camphor,
    ਜੇਧਨਕੰਤਿਨਭਾਵਈਤਸਭਿਅਡੰਬਰਕੂੜੁ॥੪॥
    but if this bride is not pleasing to her Husband Lord, then all these trappings are false. ||4||
    ਸਭਿਰਸਭੋਗਣਬਾਦਿਹਹਿਸਭਿਸੀਗਾਰਵਿਕਾਰ॥
    Her enjoyment of all pleasures is futile, and all her decorations are corrupt.
    ਲਖਸੀਗਾਰਬਣਾਇਆਕਾਰਜਿਨਾਹੀਕੇਤੁ॥
    She may wear thousands of ornaments, but they are of no use at all.
    ਜਿਤੁਦਿਨਿਦੇਹਬਿਨਸਸੀਤਿਤੁਵੇਲੈਕਹਸਨਿਪ੍ਰੇਤੁ॥
    On that day when the body perishes-at that time, she becomes a ghost.
    If one says, that it is important because of self confident issues, then guru sahib says 
    ਜਬ ਲਗ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਰਹੇ ਨਿਆਰਾ॥
    ਤਬ ਲਗ ਤੇਜ ਦੀਓ ਮੈਂ ਸਾਰਾ॥
    ਜਬ ਇਹ ਗਹੈ ਬਿਪਰਨ ਕੀ ਰੀਤਿ॥
    ਮੈ ਨ ਕਰਉਂ ਇਨ ਕੀ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤ॥
    Reminding us not to adopt ways of this world.
    You will look the most beautiful in this world and the world will look at you. This is guaranteed by Guru Sahib,
    ਵਾਹੁਵਾਹੁਕਰਹਿਸੇਈਜਨਸੋਹਣੇਤਿਨ੍ਹਕਉਪਰਜਾਪੂਜਣਆਈ॥
    Most beautiful are those persons who chant Waaho! Waaho! ; people come to venerate them.

    If you follow hukam,
    ਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਣੈਜੋਚਲੈਦੁਖੁਨਪਾਵੈਕੋਇ॥੩॥
     One who walks in harmony with the Guru's Will shall not suffer in pain. ||3||
    ਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਣੈਜੋਚਲੈਤਾਂਜੀਵਣਪਦਵੀਪਾਹਿ॥
    One who walks in harmony with the Guru's Will, obtains the supreme status of life.
    ਸਤਿਗੁਰਕੈਭਾਣੈਜੋਚਲੈਹਰਿਸੇਤੀਰਲਿਆ॥
    One who walks in harmony with the Will of the True Guru, is blended with the Lord.
    Bhenji as a male, I may not understand your situation. But this is what Gurbani says about what you are talking about.
    May Guru Sahib give you strength 
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh 

     
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Hirsutism facial hair on women   
    Bhenji, facial hairs and beard hairs are giving you medical problems or are you asking the allowance for treatment of facial hairs through medical technology?
    First thing, if you remain as it is and don't do any chherh chaarh with your body, you will remain healthy. A major reason for today's health problems to humans is consumption of processed stuff filled with all kinds of gandh. Today, people apply so many artificials to their skin like makeup which harms their skin. 
    However, Guru Sahib has ordered Khalsa to keep dietary bibek and refrain from applying all kinds of decorating stuff on our bodies (makeup, jewellery etc).
    "Saabat Soorat Rab Di Panneh Beyimaan"
    If you have a mini beard, then instead of fearing the opinions and comments of this kalyugi duniya, take it as a challenge. If you successfully complete it, Guru Gobind Singh Ji will give you immeasurable amount of love! Just imagine Guru Sahib saying,
    "ਇਹ ਮੇਰੀ ਸੱਚੀ ਧੀ ਆ" (She is my real daughter) 
    You can also watch interviews and lectures of Bibi Harnaam Kaur who has full beard to know her perspective. (Don't look at her makeup and modelling stuff! These are Manmat).
    Just accept this as Guru Sahib's hukam. This is maybe a result of your previous life karams. If you cut/remove your hairs then surely you can't get liberation as you violated hukam and tried to escape that punishment. If you will be born again, you will again get the same punishment or maybe more severe than that. But if you adopt the attitude of "Tera Kiya Meetha Laage", you will be honored in the court of Dharam Rai.
    ਮਨਕਰਹਲਾਮੇਰੇਸਾਜਨਾਹਰਿਖਰਚੁਲੀਆਪਤਿਪਾਇ॥
    O camel-like mind, my good friend, take the supplies of the Lord's Name, and obtain honor.
    ਹਰਿਦਰਗਹਪੈਨਾਇਆਹਰਿਆਪਿਲਇਆਗਲਿਲਾਇ॥੯॥
    In the Court of the Lord, you shall be robed with honor, and the Lord Himself shall embrace you. ||9||
    ਜਿਸੁਪਿਆਰੇਸਿਉਨੇਹੁਤਿਸੁਆਗੈਮਰਿਚਲੀਐ॥
    Die before the one whom you love;
    ਧ੍ਰਿਗੁਜੀਵਣੁਸੰਸਾਰਿਤਾਕੈਪਾਛੈਜੀਵਣਾ॥੨॥
    Cursed is one's life if one lives for this transient world ||2||
     
    Do Ardaas and beg to Guru Sahib to give you the strength to fight this world and do Kamaayi of Sikhi.
    Guru Sahib Kirpa Karan 
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from anhadd in Sarabloh and Bibek Maryadas   
    TAKEN FROM 
    WWW.GURMATBIBEK.COM
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    Sarbloh Bibek - How bad it is to not keep Sarbloh Bibek
    How bad it is to not keep Sarbloh Bibek
    Original Text: ਕੈਸੀ ਅਚਰਜ ਅਣਹੋਣੀ ਅਤੇ ਨਾਕਾਬਲਿ ਬਰਦਾਸ਼ਤ ਵਾਰਤਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਗੁੜ੍ਹਤੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦੀ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਵਿਚ ਮਿਲੇ, ਗਫੇ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭੋਜਨ ਦੇ ਸਾਨੂੰ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹ ਵਿਖੇ ਦਿਤੇ ਜਾਣ ਅਤੇ ਕਰਦ ਭੇਟ ਦੁਆਰਾ ਭੁੰਚਣ ਯੋਗ ਪ੍ਰਸ਼ਾਦ ਨੂੰ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭੋਜਨ ਕਰਕੇ, ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕੇ ਜਾਣ ਦੀ ਸਿਖਛਾ ਸਿਖਾਈ ਸ਼ਰਧਾਈ ਜਾਵੇ।… ਪਰੰਤੂ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਮੰਡਲ ਤੋਂ ਬਾਹਰ ਨਿਕਸਣ ਸਾਰ ਹੀ ਓਹੋ ਪਿਤਲ ਕਾਂਸੀ! ਕੀ ਏਹ ਐਨ ਐਸੀ ਘ੍ਰਿਣਾ ਯੋਗ ਗੱਲ ਨਹੀਂ ਜੈਸੇ ਕਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਦਾ ਬੁੱਤਾ ਪੂਰਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਏਹ ਬੁੱਤਾ ਪੂਰਾ ਕਰਨ ਸਮੇਂ ਕਛਹਿਰਾ ਸਜਾਈ ਰਖਿਆ, ਫੇਰ ਉਤਾਰ ਘਤਿਆ ਅਤੇ ਓਹੋ ਧੋਤੀ, ਤੰਬੀ, ਲੰਗੋਟੀ।
    ਜੈਸੇ ਕਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਛਕਕੇ ਕਛਹਿਰੇ ਦੇ ਥਾਉਂ ਆਨਮਤੀ ਦੀ ਨਿਆਈ ਬਹੁੜ ਧੋਤੀਪੋਸ਼ ਹੋਣਾ ਗੁਰਸਿਖੀ ਦੀ ਖਾਲਸ ਰਹਿਤ ਰਹਿਣੀ ਨੂੰ ਲੀਕ ਲਾਉਣਾ ਹੈ ਤੈਸੀ ਹੀ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤਧਾਰੀ ਹੋਕੇ ਅਤੇ ਓਤਪੋਤ ਪੂਰਨ ਸਰਬ ਲੋਹੀ ਸਿੰਘ ਖਾਲਸਾ ਬੀਰ ਬਹਾਦਰ ਬਣਕੇ ਬਾਹੁੜ ਕਾਂਸੀ ਪਿਤਲ ਆਦਿ ਆਨਮਤੀ ਰੀਤ ਗਹਿਕੇ, ਖਾਲਸਈ ਸੂਰਬੀਰਤਾ ਨੂੰ ਲਾਜ ਲਾਉਣਾ ਹੈ। (Gurmat Bibek, Page 252)
    Humble Translation: What an astonishing and intolerable incident it is that we get our Gudti (first sweet substance that is administered to a newborn child) of Amrit in Sarbloh, morsels (Gaffe) of Amrit-food (Degh) we receive in Sarbloh and through Kirpan we are taught to turn eatable food into Amrit food … but as soon as we get out of the Amrit Sinchaar Mandal (place), we start using same aluminium and brass! Is this action not just as despicable (hate-worthy) as wearing the Kachhera to fulfill the task of getting Amrit and then removing the Kachhera and wearing same Dhoti, Tambi and Langoti.
    Just as after receiving Amrit, removing Kachhera and becoming Dhoti-wearing is dishonouring the pure Rehit and conduct of Gursikhi, same way, after becoming Amritdhari and becoming Sarblohi Singh Khalsa Bir Bahadur, adopting ways of Aanmati (non-Sikhs) e.g. again using aluminium and brass etc. is dishonouring the Khalsa gallantry or fortitude.
    Vichaar: This is a very significant passage from Bhai Sahib’s writings, and very strongly in favour of keeping Sarbloh Bibek. Bhai Sahib has equated not keeping Sarbloh Bibek to not wearing Kachhera after becoming Amritdhari. Furthermore, we see that Bhai Sahib has called using other metals for cooking extremely despicable or hate-worthy or loathsome (ਘ੍ਰਿਣਾ ਯੋਗ). This is coming from such person who had reached great zeniths of Sikh mysticism and one who had received Akali-Jyot Saroopi Darshan of the doer of this universe – Vaheguru. Now we can see why Bhai Sahib held on to the Rehit of Sarbloh Bibek even in extremely difficult conditions in jail. Bhai Sahib showed to the world that a Sikh by the Kirpa of Guru Sahib, can keep Rehit under all conditions. If Sarbloh was an optional Rehit, what was the need for Bhai Sahib to go through such hardships? The bottomline is that Sarbloh and all other Rehits of Guru Sahib are a must for a Gursikh who is serious of getting somewhere spiritually.
    The emphasis at this time is being placed on Sarbloh Bibek because a lot of Panth today has forgotten and ignored this important Rehit. If Rehits like 5 Kakaars or 4 Bajjar Kurehits had been in similar situation as Sarbloh Bibek, the emphasis would have been placed on these Rehits as well. All Rehits are important for a Gursikh to follow.
     
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    This was the most convincing point for me to believe that Sarbloh is the  mandatory Rehat of Khalsa.
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Premi in General knowledge   
    "Can you please swear on the life and health of your LOVED ones that you are being honest on this forum?"
    Paapiman Ji, one of Guru Sahib's hukams under 52 hukams was not to trust a person who swears in the name of loved ones.
    We may take it to the old context when Aurangzeb promised Guru Gobind Singh Ji in the name of Quran to let all Sikhs peacefully leave the fort and reach their destination but broke his promise.
    But still, Rehat is universal and not bound to time. We still are to follow 52 hukams sincerely (I am a fool and don't claim to be rehitvaan but all Sikhs have to follow hukams of guru sahib).
    A Sikh should neither believe in 'Kasam' nor practice this himself. 
    One funny thing came in my mind just now. When I was totally strange to Sikhi and a pure Manmukh (still I am), me and my friends used to steal pens and leadpencils of our classmates in school when they were a new trend and if we were suspected, we would immediately say "If I'm lying, me or my family will die!" and they would leave us.😂😂  We knew that it was just falsehood and no truth. We gathered a large collection in name of God though. Today, I regret doing that when I had Singh with my name. Anyways, main point is 'Kasam' is brahmanvaad.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Sajjan_Thug in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Here are the PDFs of Larivaar Pothi and Larivaar Santhiya Pothi published by World Sikh Parliament. Research done by Bhai Amanjot Singh UK on handwritten puratan saroops of Guru Sahib. These were published on the occasion of 400th Gurupurab of Dhan Sri Guru Tegh Bahadur sahib ji.
    These contain all the baani of 9th Guru Sahib with correct spellings of Gurbani words according to puratan saroops.
    Bani Mahala 9 - Santhiya Pothi V2.pdf
    Bani Mahala 9 - Larivaar V2.pdf
    Daas
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Premi in Origins of Vahguru Mantra   
    I'll soon post a link of a thread from Gurmat Bibek forum on this pankti. That would clear your doubts. I just need to find it.
    Edit: Here it is. Vichar is supported by writings of Bhai Sahib Vir Singh Ji.
    https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,33059,33068#msg-33068
    Guru sahib kirpa karan
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Premi in Caring For Mental Health   
    Bhai sahib, I would recommend you a video of Bhai Jagraj Singh Ji BOS- 'How to deal with anger'
    That clip is a cut from a 1 hr workshop of his, where he gave a great solution to the Sangat and this tip has always worked for me.
    He asked the sangat to recite the following panktis when you feel any of the vices are coming over you...
    Anger: (i)Agyani Man Ross Karey (Sri Sukhmani Sahib)
    (ii)Farida bure da bhala kar, gussa man na handaaye 
    Lust: (i)Par Triya Roop na Pekhai Netra (Sri Sukhmani Sahib)
    (ii)Par Beti ko beti jaane, Par istri ko maat bakhaane
    Aapan istri so rat hoyi, rehitvant singh hai soyi.
    (iii) Nij Naari ke saath Neh tum nit badheiyoo, par naari ki sej bhool supne hun na jaaiyo. (Charitropakhyan)
    Greed: (i) Deh Naam Santokhia Utrai Man ki bhukh 
    Moh: (i) Hum Avgun Bharey Ek gun naahi.......'sut daara syon preet lagayi'........gur ramdaas rakhaho sharnayee 
    Ahankar: (i) Jatan Bahut main kar raheyo mitiyo na man ko maan (Salok Mahalla 9)
     
    And obviously, there are endless panktis you can find in Gurbani. These were just the popular and 'easy to get Kanth' ones.
    Hope it helps 
    Trimandeep Singh 
     
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Current Living Brahmgyanis that are easy to meet   
    Veerji you will find no answers to this. 
    Brahmgyami ki Gat Brahmgyami Jaanai 
    Only a brahmgyami purush can know of a person is of brahmgyami avastha or not. Obviously a brahmgyani purush will not be on this forum replying to queries of sangat here lol. The only way to meet brahmgyanis is Ardaas to Guru sahib to bless you with sangat of a mahapurush. However, even if you come in contact of a brahmgyami sant, you would never know this because they keep their avastha gupt.
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Current Living Brahmgyanis that are easy to meet   
    Lol how can a gursikh, even a brahmgyani sant can give naam? If you read Gurbani, only Satguru can bless you with naam. There are so many panktis for us to beg for naam to Guru Sahib. Ever saw any pankti of begging for Naam to a gursikh.
    Anyways, if you meet any mahapurush then rub their feet and put the dust of their feet on your forehead and do as much as Sewa as you can. 
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Current Living Brahmgyanis that are easy to meet   
    Yes sure Bhai Sahib Ji. An ardaas of even a rehitvaan Gursikh who hasn't reached Brahmgyani avastha will surely be answered by Guru Sahib as long as the demand/need is in line with Gurmat. 
    But no-one can receive naam from a Brahmgyani or by doing ardaas to guru sahib to give him naam. Possibly, guru sahib may send his gursikhs to the jigyasu to give him khande di pahaul or he may send Shaheed Singhs as happened with Baba Mitt Singh Ji Hazoor Sahib.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Just started reading Sukhmani Sahab   
    Veerji, I suggest you listen to Sukhmani Sahib in Kirtan form. Even if you don't understand any meanings, listen to it. There have been so many gursikhs who were illiterate but still reached a high spiritual state just by listening to Paath from gursikhs and repeating Vaheguru with every breath.
    "Dookh Rog Santaap Utre Suni Sachi Baani"
    Sufferings and Pains leave when one listens to Dhur ki Bani.
    One more suggestion, when I didn't know how to read Punjabi, I just learned the letters and tried to recognize them and learn their sound. Then I used to listen to Paath of Bhai jarnail singh Damdami Taksal with Gurbani being displayed on my phone. In one year, I was able to read Sukhmani Sahib fluently. It took me nearly 1 hr 20 mins to complete it in one sitting.
    I suggest, try to learn the gurmukhi letters and then LISTEN to Sukhmani sahib with Gurbani in front of you. 
    Here is the link of Kirtan with Hindi transliteration and second one Sukhmani sahib Paath.
     
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Post your favorite Kirtan   
    This Kirtan is a must listen. This is a short clip from the Har Har Naam Samagam at Malaysia.
    Whenever I feel sleepy, I just listen to it and all sleep goes away in a minute.
    My favorite part is when the gursikh wearing baana (Bhai Gurpreet Singh) recites the Karninaama.
    Dhan Dasam Patshah Di Baani.
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Another great video of Giani Joginder Singh Vedanti Ji in which he tells about the negligence showed by SGPC towards spelling mistakes in SGPC published Gutka.

    Joginder Singh Vedanti Ji .mp4
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    One thing I can say for sure that in the first pic, there's a bindi under ਸ in ਪਾਤਿਸਾਹੀ which is wrong. In whole Dasam Granth Sahib, Dashmesh Pita hasn't placed any bindi under ਸ.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Mistakes in Gutka and Gurbani Apps   
    Vaheguru Ji Ka Khalsa Vaheguru Ji Ki Fateh!
    Daas wants to forward some really useful information to sangat on this forum.
    MISTAKES IN GUTKE AND GURBANI APPS:
    Those people who listen to Nitnem Paath from different paathis on YouTube like Taksaal, Nanaksar, AKJ, or those who have read bani from different Pothis or Gurbani apps must have noted that there are some (sometimes many) differerences in their uchaaran (audio) and in spellings of different words and the position of mangals and sirlekhs.
    Today,the reason for so many inaccuracies in gutke and Gurbani apps are the selfish motives of the Gurbani press and SGPC and ignorance of panthic jathebandis. To earn profits, they just keep on printing gutke and senchis without doing any research. 
    Back then, a great Panthic Scholar Daarji Joginder Singh Talwara Ji was appointed by the panth to do research on puratan saroops of Guru Granth Sahib Ji and Pothi sahibs to reduce the differences in saroops. He researched for more than 3 decades and came up with his excellent works which were really ahead of his time.
    Daas will give an example in the end.
    SANTHIYA AND VICHAR:
    Due to the request of UK Sangat, Ex Akaal Takht Jathedar Late Singh Sahib Joginder Singh Vedanti (who was a student of Taksaal and later Talwara Ji) started a Sangat Santhiya class to teach Santhiya and aware sangat of the correct spellings according to puratan handwritten saroops. Daas has joined the Santhiya classes and they are very useful. Currently, our teacher is Bhai Surjit Singh Sabhra, head Granthi of Gurudwara Ber Sahib and we are doing Santhiya of Sri Tav Prasad Saviyye. Very knowledgeable gursikhs also attend the class and come up with views of different scholars on uchaaran and spellings of words like Talwara Ji, Vedanti Ji, Taksaal, Bhai Kahn Singh Nabha etc and with sangati vichar, we are able to make our uchaaran more shudh and read words according to Puratan Saroop spellings. If you wish to join, here is the link 
    https://chat.whatsapp.com/GXRJKCmVfd23EfplJYM61d
    Timings of the class:
    Saturday and Sunday 
    1:00-2:00 pm UK
    5:30-6:30 pm India 
    (You can convert the time according to your time zone) 

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    EXAMPLE OF INACCURACY:
    SRI JAAP SAHIB:
    If we ask 3 people that how do they start Sri Jaap Sahib, one will say
    1. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ॥   ॥ ਜਾਪੁ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥
    2. ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਵਾਹਿਗੁਰੂ ਜੀ ਕੀ ਫ਼ਤਹਿ॥ ਜਾਪੁ ॥ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਮੁਖਵਾਕ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹੀ ੧੦॥
    Which one is correct? 
    According to the pictures of handwritten puratan saroops given below, the FIRST ONE is correct.

    ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਸੰਨ 1755 ਈ. ਦੇ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ ਦੇ ਅੰਤ ਵਿੱਚ ਜਾਪੁ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਦਰਜ਼। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਦੀ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਗੁਰਤੇਜ ਸਿੰਘ ਏ.ਐਸ.ਆਈ., Punjab Digital Library)

    ਦਸਮ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ ਦੀ ਬਾਣੀ ਦੀ ਪੁਰਾਤਨ ਛੋਟੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪੋਥੀ।

    ਸੰਨ 1831 ਈ. ਦੀ ਦਸਮ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਦਿੱਲੀ ਗੁਰਦੁਆਰਾ ਪ੍ਰਬੰਧਕ ਕਮੇਟੀ, Punjab Digital Library)

    SRI ANAND SAHIB:
    There's a prachalit version of Mangal of Anand Sahib.
    ‘ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears before ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
    However, according to puratan handwritten saroops, the manglacharan is 
    ‘ਰਾਗੁ ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears after ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
    HOWEVER, After 1735, the handwritten saroops didn't have ਰਾਗੁ in their manglacharan. Their manglacharan was reverse of current manglacharan- 
    ‘ਰਾਮਕਲੀ ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ’ appears after ‘ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ’
     
    ਸ਼੍ਰੋਮਣੀ ਕਮੇਟੀ ਵਲੋਂ ਛਪਾਈਆਂ ਗਈਆਂ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਵਾਲੀ ਪੋਥੀ ਦੀਆਂ ਫੋਟੋਆਂ।
    ਖੱਬੇ: ਸਤੰਬਰ ੧੯੫੮ ਦੀ ਛਪਾਈ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪੋਥੀ। ਸੱਜੇ: ਸਤੰਬਰ ੨੦੧੦ ਦੀ ਛਪਾਈ ਪੰਜ ਗ੍ਰੰਥੀ ਪੋਥੀ।  
    ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਪੋਥੀ ਸਾਹਿਬ ਜੋ ਕਿਹਾ ਜਾਂਦਾ ਹੈ ਕਿ ਛੇਵੇਂ ਪਾਤਿਸ਼ਾਹ ਜੀ ਦੀ ਪੋਥੀ ਹੈ।
    ਸੰਨ 1695 ਈ. ਦੀ ਰਾਮਰਾਇ ਵਾਲੀ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ। (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)

    ਸੰਨ 1714 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)
    SAROOPS AFTER 1735 WITH DIFFERENT MANGLACHARAN (RAAG OMITTED IN RAAG RAMKALI ਮਹਲਾ ੩ ਅਨੰਦੁ )
    ਸੰਨ 1746 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪਾਵਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: ਤਖਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਕੇਸਗੜ੍ਹ ਸਾਹਿਬ, ਸ੍ਰੀ ਅਨੰਦਪੁਰ ਸਾਹਿਬ)
    ਸੰਨ 1749 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਬੀੜ।
    ਸੰਨ 1801 ਈ. ਦੀ ਹੱਥ ਲਿਖਤ ਪ੍ਰਾਚੀਨ ਬੀੜ।
    (ਹਵਾਲਾ: Punjab Digital Library)
     
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    CONCLUSION:
     Many inaccuracies like these are discussed by sangat along with Santhiya vichar. Daas requests sangat here to take out just 2 hours of the week and contribute to the vichar in the class. This will benefit many. Yesterday, we pointed out 2 mistakes in SGPC Gutka and Head Granthi Sahib (Bhai Surjit Singh Sabhra) said that he will approach SGPC authorities today and make them aware of the mistakes. By contributing to the vichar, we can help ourselves as well as the concerned Sikhs.
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh (INDIA) 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from paapiman in Origins of Vahguru Mantra   
    I'll soon post a link of a thread from Gurmat Bibek forum on this pankti. That would clear your doubts. I just need to find it.
    Edit: Here it is. Vichar is supported by writings of Bhai Sahib Vir Singh Ji.
    https://gurmatbibek.com/forum/read.php?3,33059,33068#msg-33068
    Guru sahib kirpa karan
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Following All Rehatname   
    Haven't read anything related to this in any of the Rehatnamey. But senior gursikhs do believe that kirpaan shouldn't be worn under the Chola/shirts/kurta, whatever one is wearing.
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Following All Rehatname   
    I don't need to hide my inability to answer that question. Puratan AKJ singhs probably follow this but not Singhs abroad.  
    Also, I had cleared this point before.
    Taksaal too claims of having the most authentic Rehat sources and same is with the Nihangs, yet they have minor disputes. 
    You are going so much into differences which either creates a negative impression of yours or the jathebandi. 
    You should have a problem with AKJ if they don't respect the opinions of other jathebandis and label them as qurehtia. They practice their Rehat (which is accepted in the Panth) within their own smagams and for your information, other jathebandis have been involved in this stuff of defaming other jathebandis.
    Few years back, the Jagowale were spreading a serious anti-AKJ propaganda on Social media when they did bhog of a Samagam at Mundawni despite knowing that it is optional to do bhog at Ragmaala. So who's doing all this stuff? 
    I am not at all anti-Jagowaala but your opinions on other jathebandis are surely not cooperative. 
    Some practices of the Nihangs are not followed by Taksaal because they think it is Manmat but they keep it within their own jatha and refrain from touching these topics to maintain their pyaar and satkaar for other sampradas. All these differences in Rehat and interpretations is a khed of Vaheguru and only he knows how this will benefit the Panth.
    We all should have this attitude of Taksaal than trying our best to find faults in someone else's Rehat.
    Bhul chuk maaf
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Following All Rehatname   
    I am neutral on this topic of Jhatka and shikaar. Before coming on this forum, I was a staunch supporter of Vegetarianism. But now, I am neutral. Remaining on a safe side, I will never eat jhatka because-
    1) It is not Rehat. So I am not violating Rehat Maryada if I don't consume it.
    2) What if it is actually Manmat and against teachings of guru sahib? 
    So, just to be on a safe side, I'll not consume it. 
    Trimandeep Singh 
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Following All Rehatname   
    The topic was, if following all rehatnaamey is possible or not? My answer Is YES. 
    First of all it is useless for us to talk about someone else's Rehat. But I am writing this because I think it will motivate us to do more research on Rehatnamey. Let's stick to the topic only.
    Is this written in Gurbani or the Nihang Samprada has developed it? I have cleared in another thread that one should follow/strive to follow all hukams of guru sahib.
    For AKJ, sarbloh is mandatory and I did clear it that it shouldn't be imposed on others. 
    Any hukam in Rehatnamey?
    Where does it say that Kirtan can ONLY be done in raags? As far as I know it is not mandatory to do Kirtan in raags. Raags have been praised in Gurbani but that doesn't mean Kirtan should be done in raags only. Kirtan is a great tool to elevate one's avastha and anyone can do it. Do you know even in Sri Darbar Sahib, Amritsar, once Kirtan was sung which was NOT Raag Kirtan.
    Pls quote the pankti from Rehatnamey. I think it says that noone should call himself a 'Sant' or 'Baba' or a 'Brahmgyani' and always remain a Sikh.
    I think 'Bhai' has traditionally been used for all Kirtanis/raagis/parchaaraks when they do Sewa in a Gurudwara. But they don't casually prefix each other's name with 'Bhai'. 
    Why are you creating Dubhida again bhai sahib?! Don't you respect the authority of Sri Akal Takht Sahib? When it is clearly given in Panthic  Rehatnama that bhog can be done at Mundawni or Raagmaala then what's the problem? 
    Panthic aggoos keep saying each year to not bring up these issues. It is because of these differences that the pyaar and cooperation between different jathebandis has greatly reduced. Differences existed in the past also but the gursikhs under the umbrella of Khalsa Panth never brought up these issues to maintain pyaar and peace between them. How can you decide it on an online platform if it's bani or not? This is a very old issue. We are no scholars. 
    You are also imposing 'Ragmaala' on others when we have the option to not read it.
    I request you Veerji, please don't bring this issue again. 
    Answering the other part, YES they fully believe in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib and Sri Sarbloh Granth sahib. I also have one of their Kirtan recordings in which they sung some verses from Aarti Arta sahib, which were probably from Sri Sarbloh Granth.
    NOTE: If I was rude then please forgive me Veerji. Feelings can't be expressed on an online platform.
    Dhanvaad 
    Trimandeep Singh 
     
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    Trimandeep Singh got a reaction from Arsh1469 in Extra Pauri of Japji Sahib - Udaasi   
    Seriously who has the right to Alter bani? 
    By saying Guru Angad Dev Ji altered original version of Japji sahib, whosoever said this is committing a great sin.
    Poore ka kiya sab kichh poora Ghatt Vadh Kichh nahe 
    [The works and creation of the Perfect one are all perfect like him]
    This is just a manmati story by a manmat banda.
    And this story is so illogical and perhaps, I thank GurU Gobind Singh Ji who did a karamaat on Vaisakhi 1699.
    You say that Guru Angad Dev Ji altered the pauri so that no-one else can do the karamaat of making the dead alive done by reading that pauri. 
    On Vaisakhi 1699 Guru Gobind Singh Ji cut off the heads of 5 devoted people and then recited 5 banis while stirring is khanda in a baata full of water and pataase. Then he sprinkled a few drops of that Amrit on the bodies of the dead men and put it in their mouth and they became alive! 
    Guru Khalsa Panth knows that procedure and can still make a dead person alive with that amrit provided that there are Rehitvaan Naam Rasiye Gurmukhs in Panj Pyaare.
    Bhul chuk maaf 
    Trimandeep Singh 
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