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Simple message is that "The body that enjoys these bodily pleasures will die"
The pleasures of love that you can have for the lord, are eternal.

literal meaning: these poisonous sprouts

The message, acc. to my interpretation, is that indulging in lustful pleasures is like eating poisonous sprouts coated with sugar.

I also have provided other translations from Prof. Sahib Singh & Faridkot Wala Teeka. In my current existential reality I could care less who has more lust, male or female, I just have to worry about myself first.

WJKK WJKF

Too right bro!
You have to practice and experience the Truth by practical approaches per self and per soul.
It's no good debating and arguing the truth if you've never even made the decent efforts to try and merge with Sat....to experience His presence....to feel his divine love...
When you do it with your truest intentions...you will automatically rise above these debates and arguments....you will rise above both Ustat and Nindya.......you will realize just how much life and breaths you have wasted arguing over what you thought was the truth.
You will realize just how clever those 'peredhaar'....the panj dhuts, kram, krodh, lobh, moh,and ahankar are in the trickery they use to fool you!

You can waste your whole life praising and debating over the glories of your jatha, but it won't take you anywhere near the Truth, unless you try and practice it.

Does the truth, the Sat...talk and justify itself ?
or do the 5 dhuts, the peredhaars of your mind... fool you so well into thinking that they are the truth?

You know guys..... sikhi is about finding this out for yourselves....per individual person...per soul.

Too right bro!
You have to practice and experience the Truth by practical approaches per self and per soul.
It's no good debating and arguing the truth if you've never even made the decent efforts to try and merge with Sat....to experience His presence....to feel his divine love...
When you do it with your truest intentions...you will automatically rise above these debates and arguments....you will rise above both Ustat and Nindya.......you will realize just how much life and breaths you have wasted arguing over what you thought was the truth.
You will realize just how clever those 'peredhaar'....the panj dhuts, kram, krodh, lobh, moh,and ahankar are in the trickery they use to fool you!

You can waste your whole life praising and debating over the glories of your jatha, but it won't take you anywhere near the Truth, unless you try and practice it.

Does the truth, the Sat...talk and justify itself ?
or do the 5 dhuts, the peredhaars of your mind... fool you so well into thinking that they are the truth?

You know guys..... sikhi is about finding this out for yourselves....per individual person...per soul.

Too right bro!
You have to practice and experience the Truth by practical approaches per self and per soul.
It's no good debating and arguing the truth if you've never even made the decent efforts to try and merge with Sat....to experience His presence....to feel his divine love...
When you do it with your truest intentions...you will automatically rise above these debates and arguments....you will rise above both Ustat and Nindya.......you will realize just how much life and breaths you have wasted arguing over what you thought was the truth.
You will realize just how clever those 'peredhaar'....the panj dhuts, kram, krodh, lobh, moh,and ahankar are in the trickery they use to fool you!

You can waste your whole life praising and debating over the glories of your jatha, but it won't take you anywhere near the Truth, unless you try and practice it.

Does the truth, the Sat...talk and justify itself ?
or do the 5 dhuts, the peredhaars of your mind... fool you so well into thinking that they are the truth?

You know guys..... sikhi is about finding this out for yourselves....per individual person...per soul.

Too right bro!
You have to practice and experience the Truth by practical approaches per self and per soul.
It's no good debating and arguing the truth if you've never even made the decent efforts to try and merge with Sat....to experience His presence....to feel his divine love...
When you do it with your truest intentions...you will automatically rise above these debates and arguments....you will rise above both Ustat and Nindya.......you will realize just how much life and breaths you have wasted arguing over what you thought was the truth.
You will realize just how clever those 'peredhaar'....the panj dhuts, kram, krodh, lobh, moh,and ahankar are in the trickery they use to fool you!

You can waste your whole life praising and debating over the glories of your jatha, but it won't take you anywhere near the Truth, unless you try and practice it.

Does the truth, the Sat...talk and justify itself ?
or do the 5 dhuts, the peredhaars of your mind... fool you so well into thinking that they are the truth?

You know guys..... sikhi is about finding this out for yourselves....per individual person...per soul.

Too right bro!
You have to practice and experience the Truth by practical approaches per self and per soul.
It's no good debating and arguing the truth if you've never even made the decent efforts to try and merge with Sat....to experience His presence....to feel his divine love...
When you do it with your truest intentions...you will automatically rise above these debates and arguments....you will rise above both Ustat and Nindya.......you will realize just how much life and breaths you have wasted arguing over what you thought was the truth.
You will realize just how clever those 'peredhaar'....the panj dhuts, kram, krodh, lobh, moh,and ahankar are in the trickery they use to fool you!

You can waste your whole life praising and debating over the glories of your jatha, but it won't take you anywhere near the Truth, unless you try and practice it.

Does the truth, the Sat...talk and justify itself ?
or do the 5 dhuts, the peredhaars of your mind... fool you so well into thinking that they are the truth?

You know guys..... sikhi is about finding this out for yourselves....per individual person...per soul.

As harsharan mentioned, the shabd guru will always stay the same...forever.


However the differences amongst the jathas will always stay the same. but the Guru is the same.
no two humans are on the same spiritual level.
those who are wise will never fight, even if they have different views.

as other posters have mentioned, keep collecting the good qualities , ignore the bad ones or the ones you dont like, avoid useless arguments unless its really required, march fwd, have a balance attitude towards what you can change and what you cannot.

Satkirin,
if you follow SRM, obviosuly that does not make you a lesser sikh. you should choose whatever works for you, in the longer run these minor things wont make a big difference.

I am very open to letting individuals do their own thing. I really do believe that every Sikh Human Being is different. What works for one person might not work for another. So we should let people choose whatever minor path they like within the Core Sikhi. I believe in diversity in Sikhism.

I only hate those people who want to tamper around with the integrity of Guru Granth Sahib, Dasam Granth and do nindya of Sants. These people I cannot tolerate. Everyone else if good.

Neo, do you really think your 'explanation' makes sense or makes DDT book seem more sensible? Why would Guru Nanak Dev Jis feet bleed if a Sikh recited bani while walking? Why would DDT (or God as he says) discourage reading Bani while walking?

Because I am not conditioned to follow any human being or sect I can see right through these things and compare it to bani and see whose wrong:

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ਚਾਲਤ ਬੈਸਤ ਸੋਵਤ ਹਰਿ ਜਸੁ ਮਨਿ ਤਨਿ ਚਰਨ ਖਟਾਨੀ ॥੨॥ Walking, sitting and sleeping, I chant the Lord's Praises; I treasure His Feet in my mind and body. ||2|| Guru Arjan Dev I thought you would rise above this... Cognitive dissonance.

You're absolutely right.As per your suggestion to have some movement,I want to add that my abdomen area starts pumping in beginning of my abhyaas with waheguru recitation going in mind .but after some while,It stops.But I'll try to use my tongue too.I tried ur suggestion just right back by rolling tongue on roof.I did it!Hope to do it more properly with daily practice .
Gur fateh!

Yeh, the sound of insects, crickets or chirping are some of the activating sounds that you hear earlier. Some people have reported buzzing as well.
These sounds are all very subtle sounds that happen when the chakras are aligning.
The unique beauty of gurmantar jap is that they will align in order automatically, as compared to how yoga likes using different mantras for each chakra.......The end goal is still the same.
However, as far as I understand, with gurmantar jap it is important to keep the techniques described as per saas graas and saas saas.....so that the dhun is from the area of navel up towards mouth..
With this combination of techniques along with gurmantar, the rising of the sukhmana- which is a straight and central nadi going all the way up, will begin.


You have to keep reminding yourself to try and ignore them and keep the focus on gurmantar.
Don't get caught up with the sounds...just take them as signals, and say to yourself "OK..that was crickets I heard, now I shall continue moving on"
Then try and forget that instance and bring focus back on to jap.
Sometimes the sounds can be just occasional instances, other times they may continue and continue, and then other times you don't even realize that they are in the background, until your dhian comes off the jap towards the end of your session.

Just continue with this self-discipline and it shouldn't be long until the anhad naad begins to appear.

That's OK...don't worry, because sometimes, it may not be practical or possible.
My core simran is usually anytime between 2am-5am.....when everyone is asleep and it's quiet, and I'm careful not to wake others up.

Doing quiet and silent jap is absolutely fine, but I would recommend doing the upward tongue roll to roof of mouth with ""Gu-Rrrru"
... you can still incorporate the very quiet "gu-Rruuu" whilst just taking a saas inwards for "wahe".

This way the actual 'word' or mantra gets completed by the action of the tongue touching the roof of the mouth..... So, going from the navel and up to the roof of mouth and back down again, a cycle of circular repetition is formed within the body and this also contributes to the beginning of amrit russ.
Most mantras are used as tools in this way, so that they complete their cycle when the tongue contacts the roof of the mouth.
..for eg....ram..hari...satnam..so-hang...Amen...

If it still not possible to do this, then don't worry either, because doing simran in the mind is what everything is aimed at.
If you are able to, then you can start off by doing quiet simran itself from the beginning.
But, I think you still need to have some kind of movement (breath, navel or even mala) that maintains that same cycle of jap.......and my wife has done it quite well in this manner.

Yeh, the sound of insects, crickets or chirping are some of the activating sounds that you hear earlier. Some people have reported buzzing as well.
These sounds are all very subtle sounds that happen when the chakras are aligning.
The unique beauty of gurmantar jap is that they will align in order automatically, as compared to how yoga likes using different mantras for each chakra.......The end goal is still the same.
However, as far as I understand, with gurmantar jap it is important to keep the techniques described as per saas graas and saas saas.....so that the dhun is from the area of navel up towards mouth..
With this combination of techniques along with gurmantar, the rising of the sukhmana- which is a straight and central nadi going all the way up, will begin.


You have to keep reminding yourself to try and ignore them and keep the focus on gurmantar.
Don't get caught up with the sounds...just take them as signals, and say to yourself "OK..that was crickets I heard, now I shall continue moving on"
Then try and forget that instance and bring focus back on to jap.
Sometimes the sounds can be just occasional instances, other times they may continue and continue, and then other times you don't even realize that they are in the background, until your dhian comes off the jap towards the end of your session.

Just continue with this self-discipline and it shouldn't be long until the anhad naad begins to appear.

This is very deep interesting topic, Guru maharaj has many references of hirda/ hirda parkash and nij ghar in gurbani. We all know how gurbani can be grasped/perceived at different stages based on aspirant spiritual development stage.

What does this deep ramaz - hirda/hirda parkash/nij ghar mean to you? We are all learners, there is no right or wrong way to look at it, what matter here is one deep inquiry within in meditation and inquire how does hirda/hirda parkash/nij ghar vak in gurbani relates to me individually? What does it mean? How does this great mystery indication in gurbani- hirda or hirda parkash/nij ghar resonates with me deeply?

So in this way, we are not too much engage in conceptual intellectual gymnastics (as mahanpaapi would say ) but rather dropping this question beyond mind in silence/quietness in meditation, in consciousness being receptive towards direct gurbani divine revelation (anubhav parkash- great spontaneous deep divine knowledge insight) and get spontaneous revelation directly from divine, providing profound shift in our perception of our identity.

LOL.No,your theories are much better.
You're right that verbal jaap puts a dramatic effect on one's spiritual progress.But personally,I'm not doing verbal jaap.Actually I can't.I usually keep praying that waheguru ji shows his kirpa upon me in form of verbal jaap. But every time,I'm silent!
Hope my throat starts working!

Personally,I don't use my tongue or jaws much during simran.almost negligible.I mean I do simran in mind.I've never done simran in loud voice..

These types of sounds in my encounters appear to come from the ear drums. As you do more simran I believe the act of doing more abhyaas verbally and moving the jaw applies further subtle pressure on the ears which change the types of sounds you hear. Furthermore your hearing becomes more refined and you begin to pick up other sound frequencies.

With the Anhad sounds I experienced they were very loud and distinct that when you hear them they will startle you the first time you hear them. When I heard them they appeared to be coming from near the head but not directly in the ear like the pressure cooker whistle you describe. It's like someone is playing an instrument directly next to you, either behind you or directly into your ear but not touching it.

Eventually the sounds should come from the trikuti region. It has been a long time since I've experienced the strong ones but the memory is extremely vivid and how I long to have a encounter with them again :-(

I really dont know how to answer your question.Sounds are tiiiii tiiii type.kinda sounda of insects.some time ,its like some thing is passing by my ears.during some moments,a very high pitch voice with tiiiiiiiiii rings in my ears.but this ring is just only for an instant.

It doesn't matter what side it starts. Just keep going! Waheguru is everywhere so why should we limit his voice to only one direction.

Sat, veer, I can tell you that they do change forms in front of you.
They are made up of energy and consciousness, and these forms are like dragon heads, elves, insect type with human type limbs....in fact, you know those movies like lord of the rings and some of those old paintings and books with this kind of 'fantasy' stuff- well trust me, the authors and painters got these ideas from somewhere.

I don't want to sound like I'm warning, or judging, because it's a sensitive issue, especially when it's a grandparent.
But if I don't say what I think I know.. then I would feel guilty.

You have to remember the story of Ajamal and Narayan.
They are a number of shabads in gurbani that give the messages, but the main thing to extract is that Ajamal was a no-gooder and paapi but someone told him to name his son Narayan.

Anyway, when it was near his death time, he too was seeing jamdoots and demons that were getting ready to take him away.
In this fear, he was crying out his son's name ''Narayan '..which also means Lord God.
He was saying it with such love, that the 'God-soul' in his innocent son, heard him. ...and he was saved... the jamdoots scarpered.!

In one of Naamdev's shabad, he confirms that Ajamal got to baikhunt- which is one of the Devlok heavens. (You are out of lakh-chaurasi when at dev-lok, but your not fully mukht)

Seriously, no time to waste, we must always encourage to jap the naam.
Gurbani shows us that it's never too late.

Wahe-Guru

I would agree.
I remember reading about 7 methods of avoiding Kaam which were really practical, and it wouldn't take a "high avastha" to abide by.

Exactly veer, It almost seems everytime we get- it takes a high avastha to be able to control kaam temptations or takes high avastha to simply sway away from thoughts into some effort in abiding in shabad.... sorry to say it almost seems like cop out method preventing or depriving one self growth, self discovery, self reflection, self awareness and more important being totally honest/truthful to yourself and pursue to improve with truth and integrity. Basic root definition of sikh is learner, constant learning without imbalance self loathing etc..its acknowledgement, learning, discovery, improvement move on.

I'm surprised that you think it takes a high avastha to be able to dampen all your kaam temptations.
It's not that difficult you know?...try it.
Keep your head down, avoid unneccesary eye contact with any female, keep jap reverberating within and see how you go.

Yes, just keep going!
The earlier sounds can be both sides, but when the naam sound begins to manifest....they say that it starts on the right.
This is more of a nishani, so that you know you have the correct one to focus on.
But, the earlier sounds before naam shabad can sometimes be on the left or the right.