? To Guru Da Sikh

[amardeep]

Guru da sikh:

Are you sure you belive in Zafarnamah?? Guru Maharaj calls Aurangzeb shahan shah which most anti-zafarnamahs(dalbir singh comes to mind) call "anti-gurmat" as this title is resserved for God and Guru only

[Guru da Sikh]

Gorai da Sikh,

Your flimsy replies don't even warrant a response - I would like to say you are master of aversion, but that would imply you had some form of subtlety and grace in your covering up of ignorance, unfortunately you don't.

You DON’T have answers! All you boys can do is one liner statements and accusations. You boys missed the Gurmat Gyan bus long time ago. This Dasam Granth tricycle is not get you to catch up with the Gurmat Gyan bus, no matter how hard you try!

Re Khalsapanchayat, it doesn't surprise me that they are funded by Fake Singh Sabha International (well CA actually), the state of their website speaks volumes. Its interesting to note the hate and accusations you have for Sri Dasam Bani Singhs - calling us desecrators of Sri Guru Granth Sahib etc. How does this fit in with your respect for Baba Jarnail Singh, is he too a desecrator of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, please answer this question.

You notice that I refer to him as Baba NOT ‘Sant’. I have spent time WITH Baba Jarnail Singh in person, like I said before. I never heard him doing any Katha from Charitro Pakhyan, line by line.

Can you please post me link where one of your so called ‘Sants, Mahapurkhs, Brahmgiani, Vidya Martand’ etc. has performed LINE BY LINE ‘SHABAD ATRH’ and Bhav Arth of Charitro Papkyan?

Funny how your Khalsapanchayat group have heavy ties with Sikh Student Federation - who are avid supporters of Baba Jarnail Singh, who himself had complete faith in all of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib.

Read your buddy’s answer on the bottom and tell me which one of you boys is LYING?

More knots in your rope.

[Guru da Sikh]

Guru da sikh:

Are you sure you belive in Zafarnamah?? Guru Maharaj calls Aurangzeb shahan shah which most anti-zafarnamahs(dalbir singh comes to mind) call "anti-gurmat" as this title is resserved for God and Guru only

I do believe that Zafarnama was penned by Dasam Patshah !

If the Pro Dasam Granth boys along with Nirmalay & Udassyea Brahmins from Banaris made alterations to some parts of it, as per their sinister plans to justify some other parts of Dasam Granth can NOT be ruled out! After all, this gang’s ultimate goal is to create CONFUSION in a so called ‘Sikhs without Gurmat Gyan’ and do Khalsa Panth what they did to Jainism & Buddhism centuries ago i.e. eat it up alive!

What you misguided so called Sikhs who are anti Sri Guru Granth Sahib (Pro Dasam Granth) are doing is simply help these Brahmins tie up this Khasla Sher so this Brahmin gang can slaughter it!

[Guru da Sikh]

Is Guru harGobind singh ji a new guru of Guru da sikh?

You are the other RETARD who doesn’t understand a Sikh’s Daily ARDASS and more I IMPORTANTLY Gurmat Gyan from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.who doesn’t understand a Sikh’s Daily ARDASS and more IMPORTANTLY Gurmat Gyan from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji.

Hints:

1. ‘Dasan Patshahyan di jot’

2. Creator of the Akal Takhat

3. First ever Jathedar of Akal Takhat

I can continue but considering you may have (just like the rest of Pro Dasam Granth lobby) what I call Attention Deficit Disorder Syndrome, I will keep it short.

[Guru da Sikh]

Where is the line by line response from the otherside?

That would mean they would actually have to have read something THEMSELVES. And majority of the time these boys are simply waiting for some part timer to finish reading so that so called ‘scholar’ can give these dudes some strings to hang on to in order to carry on their debates.

Your faith in One Granth & One Panth keeps you focused but these are nothing but confused individuals trying to find an identity for themselves

[Kam1825]

Guru Da Sikh i wrote earlier

"Are you aware of why the debate on the Dasam Granth never took place, have you spoke to Prof Darshan Singh or Baba Hari SIngh Ji about it? I have, both state they did not take part in the debate due to Vedanti's Hukamnama not to debate on thsi topic. "

To which you replied

"Why are you making up stories anyway? Why not phone up Bhai Tehal Singh, President of the Gurdwara where this discussion / debate was going to be held, and he will tell you the TRUTH. He was the one who arranged for this to happen and was going to monitor it. He was the one who got up and asked Hari Singh to come back and join the discussion. He was the one who got up on the stage and denounced Hari Singh for stating the Jeonwala was not up to his level."

You accuse me of lying do you well what does this video show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iif_6bBvm10...feature=related

What do they say within the opening minute. And as you can see in the video Sant Hari Singh Ji are still there along with Sant Baljinder Singh Ji of Rara Sahib. Again and again you lie and lie and a video shows the threads of your lies. This debate was lined up and had started but due to the sangat bringing up the Hukamnama BOTH Prof Sahib and Baba Ji stopped the debate as shown

If there is any sangat in Canada as BAba Baljinder sIngh Ji are there at present can they be asked about what took place at the location as well

[singh2]

2. Creator of the Akal Takhat

Creator of akal takhat is Guru hargobind shaib and not Guru hargobind singh

[Matheen]

Guru Da Sikh wrote: I have spent time WITH Baba Jarnail Singh in person,..........

Too bad you didn't learn anything from Sant Ji.

[Kam1825]

Guru Da Sikh, i am waiting for a reply or an apology, the later i dont believe i will get!

[ekta]

That really is out of order. Come on Admin, I for one want to see all the facts, and please cut the nasty bile ridden comments out from certain people here. Lets debate the issues and not the people, and find some common ground.

I assure you that only violations of forum rules were moderated from his posts. Absolutely 100% of his argument made it through, never have we removed anybody's argument to back up an opinion of thier's, or any evidence that they might have presented.

[shaheediyan]

Gorai da Sick,

Here, have fun. Theres some charitro pakhyan in there for you too, alongside Bacchiter Natak and Mahakaal Kathaa.

http://www.patshahi10.org/index.php?option...h&Itemid=63

Now tell me, is Baba Jarnail a desecrator of Sri Guru Granth Sahib too? Or are your insults only reserved for us Internet Geeks?

Charitars are not usually recited in front of bibiyan (sangat), hence you won't find line by line recorded kathaa.

If you want to find out more about how, where and why they - I suggest you go and spend some time in a Dal Panth chhawnee in India, all your questions will be answered, then at least you can say you have heard the other side of the arguement from source.

Also, I would like to apologise re the Sikh Student Fed assumption, my bad. Doesn't take away the fact that the rest of the Panth including all Jathaas, Sampryadas etc all beleive in and respect Dasam Bani (and always have).

Its only you Afghana/Bhasaur/Darshan Panthis (a tiny blip in the Panth, albeit a cancerous one) that seemed to have seen through the great deception that has fooled the rest of the Panth for 300 years!

CYA.

[Guru da Sikh]

Gorai da Sick

Is your Guru a Gora and you are certainly mentally Sick to call an Amritdhari Sikh as SICK

Here, have fun. Theres some charitro pakhyan in there for you too, alongside Bacchiter Natak and Mahakaal Kathaa.

http://www.patshahi10.org/index.php?option...h&Itemid=63

You put up a link with a snippet of the end of the Chaupai being analyzed and like typical of your gang claim to have Katha of Charitro Pakhyan?

What could be a bigger lie than that? Not even one Charitar being discussed?

Was Katha of these Charitars done 'in private' by Baba Jarnail Singh and recorded?

I think you should apologize to this forum for deliberately trying to misguide innocent Sikhs!

Now tell me, is Baba Jarnail a desecrator of Sri Guru Granth Sahib too? Or are your insults only reserved for us Internet Geeks?

Listening to this he certainly classifies as desecrator of Sri Guru Granth sahib ji. Not even a shred of doubt in my mind ! That is why I refer to him as a Baba not a ‘Sant’. Get it!

Charitars are not usually recited in front of bibiyan (sangat), hence you won't find line by line recorded kathaa.

And remind me what part of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji instructed NOT to be read to bibiyan?

Was Dasam Patshah ji SEXIST?

If you want to find out more about how, where and why they - I suggest you go and spend some time in a Dal Panth chhawnee in India, all your questions will be answered, then at least you can say you have heard the other side of the arguement from source.

I rather spend my precious time with my family and Reading, Understanding & Analyzing Gurbani from Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji and sharing that experience with other GurSikhs than spend time at a place where the anti feminine mentality and anti Gurmat parchar continues.

Also, I would like to apologise re the Sikh Student Fed assumption, my bad. Doesn't take away the fact that the rest of the Panth including all Jathaas, Sampryadas etc all beleive in and respect Dasam Bani (and always have).

That’s okay we all make mistakes. You are a big boy to come forward and admit it. All you have to do is grow up a little more and accept that anything outside of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is NOT Gurbani. And we will be back to being sons of the same Guru and live like brothers! Why do I feel it’s not going to happen!

Its only you Afghana/Bhasaur/Darshan Panthis (a tiny blip in the Panth, albeit a cancerous one) that seemed to have seen through the great deception that has fooled the rest of the Panth for 300 years!

‘Kotan mein Nanak kou Narain jeh Cheet’ Only One in Millions who remembers God at all times.

If you understood a single line of Gurbani, you would know that it is not quantity but quality that matters. It is human history that `Bad Guys` have always outnumbered the `Good Fellas`. There is nothing new here either, is it?

Cancerous One: For sure, we are the Sikhi tumour that is going to finally `KILL`you `Masands and Mahant Narainus`!

CYA.

Gursikhs use Gurfateh ! Are you not a GurSikh, na na Sikh, na na Punjabi, na na Human....... Oh no, you are a Dasam Granthi specimen!

[gsingh00]

lol at how 'guru da sikh' avoided kam after being shown to be a liar.

[randip singh]

I thin Gyani Ji's reply here is appropriate to this discussion:

http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/sikh-sikhi-s...n-redux-10.html

Isnt it a wonder that the name of Bhai Gurbaksh Singh Ji Kala Afghana gets THROWN IN to any and ALL postings/threads..by those who OPPOSE his Views, cannot defeat those views. NO BODY ELSE even Mentioned him...WHY the obsession with a socalled "excommunicated" (anti Gurmat action) person who CANNOT answer these allegations as he is NOT a member of any forums etc...

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Reminds me of HARI SINGH NALWA...that Super Duper GENERAL of the Khalsa Fauj that DEFEATED the Pathans and Afghans SO BADLY..that his Name entered their Language..and their Mothers till TODAY..frighten their children by saying..HAROOA AIYO,,Harrooa aiyoh..go to sleep..Harooa aiyoh.

Source:: Sikh Philosophy Network http://www.sikhphilosophy.net/showthread.php?t=25205 (Kala Afghana: Discussion Redux)

Hari Singh nalwa died more than 150 Years ago..his NAME still TERRIFIES the Afghans/pathans...HOW long will it take these people to forget/stop being afraid of kala afghana !!! Just Go through ANY posting on Gurmat Learning Zone, Sikhs Diaspora, Sikh Awareness, SPN etc etc etc...and you will find the GHOST OF KA frightening the living daylights of these singh1,singh2, singh3,singh4,singh5,singh, 1singh, 2singh, 3singh,4singh..Lsingh, Isingh,Five Singh,etc etc. KA is an OLD MAN..may soon die..but it looks like he will LIVE ON..perhaps like "Harroa aiyoh" Kala aiyoh... for another 150 Years..DAAMMN FRIGHTENING THOUGHT.he he he

[Kam1825]

Guru Da Sikh is your reading selective, i am waiting for a reply or an apology? How long you going to ignore my posts!

[Mithar]

Guru Da Sikh is your reading selective, i am waiting for a reply or an apology? How long you going to ignore my posts!

These Kala Afghanists are known for lying. They specialise in lying and twisting of facts. When confronted with the truth, they avoid answering or go around in circles. This is a pattern I've seen with all Kala Afghanists. Somehow their Naastik mindset completely allows them to lie in order to fool gullible Sikhs, lying does not bother their consciousness one bit.

[Guru da Sikh]

Guru Da Sikh is your reading selective, i am waiting for a reply or an apology?

It’s so HYPOCRYTICAL of you guys to accuse me of selective reading and yet yourself post links and answer selectively.

Here is a prime example. You posted a link to Part 4 only, to save face for Mr. Hari Singh.

Why didn’t you post a link to Part 5

& Part 6

, that simply proves what I have said all along when Prof. Darshan Singh ji explains to sangat what actually transpired.

So you got your reply, hence no need for an apology, since I stand behind all of my statements I have made.

How long you going to ignore my posts!

Have patience boy, Grandpa can’t be everywhere. Besides, from now on I will choose NOT to answer posts from boys like yourself who exhibit gross lack of Gurmat Gyan!

[Guru da Sikh]

Guru Da Sikh i wrote earlier

"Are you aware of why the debate on the Dasam Granth never took place, have you spoke to Prof Darshan Singh or Baba Hari SIngh Ji about it? I have, both state they did not take part in the debate due to Vedanti's Hukamnama not to debate on thsi topic. "

To which you replied

"Why are you making up stories anyway? Why not phone up Bhai Tehal Singh, President of the Gurdwara where this discussion / debate was going to be held, and he will tell you the TRUTH. He was the one who arranged for this to happen and was going to monitor it. He was the one who got up and asked Hari Singh to come back and join the discussion. He was the one who got up on the stage and denounced Hari Singh for stating the Jeonwala was not up to his level."

You accuse me of lying do you well what does this video show

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iif_6bBvm10...feature=related

What do they say within the opening minute. And as you can see in the video Sant Hari Singh Ji are still there along with Sant Baljinder Singh Ji of Rara Sahib. Again and again you lie and lie and a video shows the threads of your lies. This debate was lined up and had started but due to the sangat bringing up the Hukamnama BOTH Prof Sahib and Baba Ji stopped the debate as shown

It’s so HYPOCRYTICAL of you guys to accuse me of selective reading and yet yourself post links and answer selectively.

Here is a prime example. You posted a link to Part 4 only, to save face for Mr. Hari Singh.

Why didn’t you post a link to Part 5

& Part 6

, that simply proves what I have said all along when Prof. Darshan Singh ji explains to sangat what actually transpired.

Let’s go through the events as they happened chronologically:

1. Malkiat Singh & Mr. Hari Singh are WILLING participants on Radio Shere Punjab and are DEBATING authenticity of Dasam Granth the weekend before this planned discussion. They try desperately to present a lousy case for Dasam Granth and are left speechless without being able to answer a single question. (Khalsa Fauji please would you post a link to this audio, when available). Did these dudes NOT remember the Hukamnama from Akal Takhat then?

2. Isn’t a `Sant` suppose to be full of knowledge and Gurmat Gyan and yet Mr. `Sant` Hari Singh is NOT familiar with a Hukamnama from Akal Takhat? I suggest that you either stop calling this dude a `Sant` or if he so ignorant about some important directive from Akal Takhat, then tell him to get off the stage and sit among the REGULAR Sikh Sangat and acquire some Gurmat Gyan!

3. If you watch all parts, you can NOT help notice: (i) the Pro Dasam Granth Lobby (PDGL) was MOST disrespectful, rude and loud, in the Hazoori of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji, when there was any hint of that this discussion could get started (ii) the PDGL was NOT willing to RESPECT the discussion rules about questions to be put to the two participants. Committee suggested no questions and later only written questions from Sangat, but you can actually hear the uproar and disrespectful chants among the PDGL when this is announced from the stage.

So it is quite evident that this was a `PRE PLANNED SHAM` by the PDGL to save face when one of their dudes (Malkiat Singh) ends up issuing a challenge to the Gursikhs worldwide, in his Ego (Haume) and gets both himself and this `Sant` cornered.

If there is any sangat in Canada as BAba Baljinder sIngh Ji are there at present can they be asked about what took place at the location as well

[singh2]

Guru da sikh

Have some ethics. You are the one who was touting a report from heretic newspaper spokesman that says that Baba Hari singh ji ran away and did not face Ragi Darshan. Kam ji provided a link that proves that you were spreading misinformation.

You also brought in the name of Tehal singh. I wrote that i had enquired form Tehal singh and your information was a lie.

If you are gentleman you need to tender an apology for spreading lies here.

[shaheediyan]

"That’s okay we all make mistakes. You are a big boy to come forward and admit it. All you have to do is grow up a little more and accept that anything outside of Sri Guru Granth Sahib ji is NOT Gurbani"

What, like Bipran ki reet, 60% of NITNEM/Khande de Pahul ki bani and Zafarnama, plonker.

Thanks for you last post, it has now been made clear who truely has the sick mind and lack of respect for the majority of the Panth. I am not going to waste anymore energy on you, hopefully the sangat can see through you (and your charades) at this stage.

You are no brother of mine, nor a son of Dasmesh Pita.

Have nice life you faker, I would say all the best, but I would be lying.

Ta ta (I reserve Vaheguru ji ki Fat-heh - you know, that tuk which appears in SRI DASAM GURU DARBAR, for sons of my father, Guru Gobind Singh, not for Gorai di poosh like you).

[Kam1825]

Guru Da Sikh i have shown you to be a liar and shown you cant be a Guru Da Sikh as you lie and due to your wounded pride will not apologise.

Part 5 and 6, surprising how people got the balls to say things after Sant Hari Singh Ji and Sant Baljinder SIngh Ji left but i guess that is because if their shameful crafty and lying ways which are very similar to yours.

Due to your actions contradicting the nature of your user name i will now refer to you as "Guru Ghar Da Manmukh"

[Kaljug]

Kala Aghana da Sikh:

Mod edit

Mods, either do a better job of moderating the disgusting comments of this piece of filth, or ban him altogether.

Shame on you for allowing this kind of disrespect of Sikhs.

K.

[singh2]

Kala Aghana da Sikh:

Mods, either do a better job of moderating the disgusting comments of this piece of filth, or ban him altogether.

Shame on you for allowing this kind of disrespect of Sikhs.

K.

I second your opinion. These are not sikhs. They are goondas who have no respect of others feelings.

Earlier one goonda, Fauji , wrote Dasam Granth as KK. KK is kanjar kavita in their goonda terminology. I brought this to moderator attention. That post is still like that.

[Guru da Sikh]

I second your opinion. These are not sikhs. They are goondas who have no respect of others feelings.

Oh no, the sham has already been put into action. Who is next in agreement?

Earlier one goonda, Fauji , wrote Dasam Granth as KK. KK is kanjar kavita in their goonda terminology. I brought this to moderator attention. That post is still like that.

[Kam1825]

Guru Ghar Da Manmukh is your ego still not allowing your humility to shine, Are your vikaars still not allowing you to apologise?

i suggest you read some bani to calm down and rethink you oppressive strategy on this forum. Maybe you could take a rest now and call back Naastick Fouji with his tractor to take over for a bit!