tableji Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 its all about controlling the mind man asaadhh saadhhai jan koe The mind is uncontrollable; how rare are those who subdue it. panch chaelae mil bheae eikathraa eaekas kai vas keeeae I have brought the five disciples together, and they are now under the control of the one mind. breham giaanee lae dhhaavath bandhhaa The God-conscious being holds his wandering mind under control. dhhaavath raakhai thaak rehaaeae He restrains his wandering mind, and keeps it under control. nadharee eihu man vas aavai nadharee man niramal hoe By His grace, this mind is controlled, and by His Grace, it becomes pure. man vasagath aaeiaa param padh paaeiaa saa dhhan kanth piaaree The bride obtains the supreme status, as her mind is brought under control; she is the beloved of her Husband Lord thaakahu manooaa raakhahu thaae Control your mind, and keep it in its place. sathigur saevae man vas aavai man maarae manehi samaaeidhaa Serving the True Guru, one brings his mind under control; conquering his mind, he merges in the Mind of God. maarafath man maarahu abadhaalaa milahu hakeekath jith fir n maraa Let control of the mind be your spiritual wisdom, O holy man; meeting with God, you shall never die again. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguptkaur Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 reply to Beast Kam is a pleasure of the mind to some and it will definately affect your spirituality reply to narsingha i feel table ji has answered sufficiently since guru ji says dncing is a love of the mind 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Bani is also a pleasure to the mind So is wisdom. So is excercise. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aguptkaur Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 beast you are trying to "win" the argument using ridiculous examples are you now trying to make me say that we shouldnt read bani!!!! The topic title is why is dancing considered bad?? the answer cos Gurbani says so!!!!! see previous quotes stick to topic and try not to sly in your argument Just for your minds pleasure YOU WIN YOU ARE RIGHT AND I AM WRONG I AM A LOSER hope this makes your mind feel better 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 slightly. Except for the bit where you said "are you now trying to make me say that we shouldnt read bani". I read through my post and couldn't see where I said that. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 aguptkaur ...now that this intense life-threatening issue seems to be resolved (at least in your mind), what should we do? How should we deal with these people who are not following 'gurmat' and 'bani? Given the grave situation at hand, perhaps you can suggest some follow up strategy. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
drawrof Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 as wrong as this may sound to you all, but what makes you think that you understand gurbani? I am being very serious here. It seems like people take gurbani as a joke and use dhur ki baani as a lawbook more than an avenue to grow. I also see people twisting gurbani for their personal vendettas, using gurbani as an oracle via these hidden meanings in hukamnama's, reading sikhi on the max and taking it literally. My honest suggestion is this, get your hands on a "couple" of translations done by older vidhvaans. ie. bhai veer singh, giani kirpal singh, giani gurbachan singh. Then sit down and look at the shabad..first look at the uthanka (the historical context), then look at the contextualization of the words. ie..what is the rahau line?. What, I have found by doing most of this is that..when you are attached or in bairaag to god, other things don't mean anything and they are felt as evil because they become the "shreek" or as our muslim brothers/sisters say "idols" to waheguru. if one wants to understand guruji, they have to go deeper and try to understand guruji's mindset, approach to life etc. guru nanak devji was known to be a jolly fellow, do you think a jolly fellow would be THAT draconian? something to ponder. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 drawoff, only few take logic to its extremes.... Inevitably when this occurs, reality is lost, and one enters the realm of make-belief. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Narsingha, so reality is lost when one thinks logically? Strange and very illogical….. BTW, believing in flying Monkeys and similar mumbo jumbo is not ‘make-belief’? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 I think the key here is to read to the end of the sentence number 47. You may spot the word "extreme" 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tableji Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 i always think that it depends on the context in which u do things, for example if u dance and u have kaam in ur mind, then its wrong.... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 wicked post, drawrof... that's why you don't see me quoting gurbani much.......because it can very much mean something really different than what i think it means especially relyin on english translations. :shock: 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Khalsa Fauj Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Read te post again. Where does it say women who dance are kanzris. Open your eyes. Maybe too much sukha. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Who are you talking to Khalsa Fauj?? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Sukha I think 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sukhi Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 i love how all of this always comes down to retardedness like this... anywho, i was gonna say something intellectual, and now i forgot it. so i'll say it simply instead: AguptKaur, it's always important to see in which context the quote is given. i saw tableji's shabad, and yes, it mentioned dancing. but moreso than that, it mentioned quite implicitly that the point is not to let the mind wander. if you feel that your mind is going to get out of control because you dance, or you sing, or you watch tv, or you speak to friends, or you enjoy your food, or anything else, then truly you should stop doing those things. but i don't think that the point is for us to STOP having fun in life. the point is not to get so involved in it, that we surrender everything over to unimportant matters. where is the harm in being happy as well as being on the path? i think that dancing is fine, really speaking. there's nothing wrong in it, unless you see something wrong in it. but then again, not everyone enjoys dancing, so not everyone has to dance. it's a personal choice. but i sincerely doubt whether someone such as Guru Nanak, who was an amazing poet (and most likely musician?... among other things) would have told us to live a bland life. i think he would've wanted us to be challenged to not fall into any extremes (all credit goes to narsinghi, here). that's the key: balance. you shouldn't have any extremes of anything. moderation is needed. i think THAT is what we're supposed to learn to do. but then again, tha's just my lowly uninformed opinion. it's probably just koor for you. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Did Sant Jernail Singh Jee dance? NO Did Sant Ishar Singh Jee dance? NO Did Baba Mitt Singh Jee dance? NO We should strive to live up to the Jeevans of these great Gursikhs instead of indulging in Kanjari Naach. Why try to emulate Marasis and Kanjars when we can follow the ways of warrior-saints like Sant Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beast Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 wiked! I for one pledge to drink as much sukha and take as opium as Baba Gurbax Singh was said to. Vah Ji Vah! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Did Sant Jernail Singh Jee dance? NO Did Sant Ishar Singh Jee dance? NO Did Baba Mitt Singh Jee dance? NO We should strive to live up to the Jeevans of these great Gursikhs instead of indulging in Kanjari Naach. Why try to emulate Marasis and Kanjars when we can follow the ways of warrior-saints like Sant Jarnail Singh Jee Khalsa. Are you suggesting 'anyone' who dances is a Kanjar/Kanjari?? Now what is a Dance, the movement of your body in tune to a Rythem of music?? Can you dance without Music? if so then Your walking is a form of a Dance, it is rythmic with your breath, your heartbeat. Even Gatka is a form of Dancing with your weapons, have you seen Singhs so eligenty move thru the air without missing a beat. The Cosmic Rythm provides the ground for us to Dance. Blame God for creating such a Rythm. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Nihangs would listen or recite Jaap Sahib while doing practise...in that n state of mind(bir ras)..nihangs going kamla(crazy)/ full mast and start doing fast movements..wouldn't that qualified as spiritual dancing?? everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaag man..everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag..when one gets bairaag , its above maryada, gurmat(word hijacked by fanatics), anti-gurmat whatever you want to call it. This remind of an sakhi of siri mati sant biba who was a student/murid of "Sant baba Karam Singh Hoti Mardanwaley". After she leen in bhram(meged with god)..she wouldn't wear any clothes..not even one single bit....any clothes...she would sit, eat, walk all naked....she was full mast in "Sat Chit Anand Saroop Vahiguroo"... she would just live in her bhora, go out when she has to ..no katarpanthi even dared to look into her eyes and tell her "why you doing this?? she has that much tej-pratap... would u also call her kanjari?? khalsa fauji and singh47... I don't expect you guys to understand that sakhi..only people who know "prem has no limits" can understand this... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Infernal Monk Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Damn...I can't believe this topic has gotten so many replies. :shock: Honestly I don't see what is so wrong with dancing. As far as I know, the Gurus did not want us to become ascetics. Some people are just too over the top when they think 'dancing' must be stopped. Noting wrong with dancing man, relax. Live and let live. Enjoy your life and PLEASE don't sit around worrying about something so inconsequential... I'm certainly not as knowledgeable as most of the people on this board when it comes to Sikhi, but I had throw in my two cents. 8) 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Narsingha Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 Bhai Mardana's lineage are the Marasis... ...strange that Khalsa Fauj put them in the same category as 'Kanjars'. You are a credit to the schools of your country. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pheena Posted January 25, 2005 Report Share Posted January 25, 2005 everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaag man..everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag..when one gets bairaag , its above maryada, gurmat(hijacked by fanatics), anti-gurmat whatever you want to call it. I think that describes exactly what i feel. That there exist such a stage where one dives so deep within the Love/Vairaag of his/her beloved taht which NO Maryada, NO Rehit can hold back. It is beyond the Laws setforth by Religions. It is an escape from the boundries of Religin and into the boundryless Field of Inner Bliss and expression. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 Beast wrote: wiked! I for one pledge to drink as much sukha and take as opium as Baba Gurbax Singh was said to. Vah Ji Vah! Then maybe you should also emulate the rehet Baba Gurbaksh Singh Jee kept, such as wearing of Neela NIhang Bana 24/7, waking up at amritvela everyday, memorizing the entire Panj Granthi(besides the Nitnem) and last but not least become a Shaheed like him. Then the entire world would look at you and truly say 'Vaah Jee Vaah!!' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Singh47 Posted January 26, 2005 Report Share Posted January 26, 2005 N30 Singh wrote: "everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaag man..everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag..when one gets bairaag , its above maryada, gurmat((hijacked by fanatics)), anti-gurmat whatever you want to call it." Sorry to say but that is nothing but you own Manmat. Nothing, absolutely NOTHING in this universe is above GURMAT. Using you own logic, one might as well say that if man is in ‘bairaaaaaaaaaaaaag’ then he can even rape a women, after all, he is in ‘bairaaaaaaaaaaaaag man’ isn’t he? Some might even argue if one is in ‘bairaaaaaaaaaaaaag man’ then it is even justifiable to murder someone, after all “everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaag man..everything is allowed in bairaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaag†0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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