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Probably been mentioned before but useful explanation of swas swas simran. I wasn't aware that stage 3 of swas swas simran involved exhaling slightly forcefully through the nostrils to help balance the pavan. 
Stage 1.
Inhale and mentally say Wahe on exhale verbally say Guruuuu
Stage 2.
Like stage 1 but Guruu more quieter (madhma)
Stage 3. (Internal Antargat)
Mouth closed breathing through the nose. Wahe on inhale and Guru on exhale both japped mentally but in this stage your forcing the Guruuu exhale out through the nostrils to help sum the pavan/air flow in both nostrils. Noticed few Gurmukhs (Bhai Dharamjit Singh) are reluctant to reveal or encourage you to try this vidi of this simran alone at home, because it can lead to deeper experiences more quickly.  They advise only doing this in the sangat where if one enters a deeper state then they can manage it and your family will not get concerned if you enter a samadhi state and become unresponsive.
 
 

That line brother can be interpreted as the ik shabad it is referring to is the sound of naam, and when you reach the avasta of hearing it all the time you will not enter reincarnation again. There are other pangtis that also state this.
 

That line brother can be interpreted as the ik shabad it is referring to is the sound of naam, and when you reach the avasta of hearing it all the time you will not enter reincarnation again. There are other pangtis that also state this.
 

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me  badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution.
In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again.
Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas?
Something like this.
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Already using a pillow , not directly leaning against back of sofa.

Bit more deeper explanation of SatGuru here starting 12:45
 

Bit more deeper explanation of SatGuru here starting 12:45
 

Keep doing your simran. Leave the rest to waheguru. Take Amrit when ready.

Having an experience and being enlightened are worlds apart buddy is what I mean. Nevertheless I'm humbled that you feel inspired to want to make an effort in this area yourself. That was the very reason I went against the norm of sharing experiences. You rock on brother and share with us how you get on so others can be inspired from you...

Don't judge doing paath from my experiences. I'm no benchmark you should be comparing against or be striving for similar experiences. Each person could experience something completely different, special or nothing.

Gaining enlightenment is a very high avasta bro and I am certainly a long way away from such a stage. Seeing a few coloured lights or hearing a few sounds doesn't make one enlightened buddy. I'm just like one of you guys, trust me, with same hopes wishes, desires and long list of faults and issues...... :-)

I would say using a count method isn't such a bad thing for beginners to build up a habit pattern. But eventually you want to let go of the counting.

The first time I undertook mool mantar jaap was after I visited the bhora sahib of Sant Baba Nand Singh in Nanaksar gurdwara. To go down there you had a promise to undertake a certain number of paaths. When the sevadar stopped me and asked if I could do Guru Granth Sahib the path to which I replied No. Then he asked if I could sukhmani sahib and again I said no. Then he asked if I could do mool mantar and I said Yes. He said ok I want you to do x malas for 40 days. My mother jumped in said she would complete the sehaj path on my behalf and the sevadar said no. We want to get this child started in doing something by himself. After about 20 something days I started seeing floating lights which was quite scarey because I was quite young. I used to think I was about to have darshan or something and used to get scared and stop. One mahapursh called me fool for stopping. He said for all you know Baba Nand Singh might have going to appear and you got scared and opened your eyes. I was like, What!!!!

2nd time I undertook mool mantar was to complete the 125,000 as advised and inspired by listening to Giani Thakur Singh. This really took ages because I couldn't do so many at first. But the long milestone was one of the best things ever. I started really enjoying it and wanted to do more and more.

Setting a goal can be a good thing because you will set yourself a milestone that will take time to complete. It is very easy to start doing something for a couple of days then stop and not make it a part of your daily routine.

Likewise with Waheguru Simran starting with 5 minutes a day and building up from there might be a good way to go... I wouldn't recommend a mala for that one because all your dhyaan will be on the hands rather than the dhun of the mantar.

A mantra from my limited knowledge should be a short compact prayer that one chants to help still the mind so that the mind is drawn toward it rather than other useless distracting thoughts. The mantra should also be able to sync with the breath easily and not cause jerkiness. They key focus behind most mantras is to focus on the sound of the mantra."Dhun Mah Dhiaan" when synchronized with the breath. It is easier to go with a short one worded mantra to a still state than a long mantra. The mool mantra is more about the attributes of Waheguru and when chanting you might be thinking about those in your mind. This is a very good and evokes pyaar for Waheguru and is a form of constant remembrance. But is it helping to still the mind or making it more active? I suppose the same applies for any kirtan or paath depending how your are singing or reciting. There will be times when you will enjoy one over the other and all are forms bhagti don't get me wrong. When reciting the mool mantra you might not be thinking of the internal meanings and just japping whilst focusing on the dhun of the words. In that regards sometimes longer mantras are easier to jap than single words. Japping the mool mantra will help one to get into a routine which might be more difficult if you jumped straight into japping Waheguru. Boredom does kick in if your not feeling any anand or peace during the jap.

I think it was Sant Baba Isher Singh who stated the order is as follows depending on their avasta and state of their mind of the seeker.

1. Bani paaths
2. Mool mantar jaap
3. Waheguru jaap

I don't think anyone of us can tell you what to do or not to do for we are all trying to reach the abode of Waheguru. It's going to be a very personal decision what works for you and you will have to make that decision for yourself unless you consult a mahapursh who instructs you to do more of one over the other.

Personally speaking I now read Guru Maharaj for inspiration and gyaan then keep japing Waheguru and try and go deeper within.

Not sure why but over the last few days, gyaan or posts that I have heard or read which catch my attention are along the lines of keep japping the mantra until sleep comes. I have come across that same message from a number of different sources and think that is they way through to the other side...

Singh123456777, pick one and stick with it for a while and start walking on the path. Rest will come to you as the need arises and as you progress along the path. Don't start questioning our doubting once you pick a mantar. Run with it for a while and see how you get on. Both the Gurmantar and Mool mantar should yield results if done with sharda, pyaar and focus.

I was watching tv the other day and a teacher of another faith made a remark which got me thinking. He said until you don't have inner peace within yourself god will never come before you. Why? He said god knows that you've got troubles in your life and he knows if he came before you and asks what do you want? Most people will say please make this better or take that problem away or can I have this. He said god is above petty thoughts like this so won't waste his time. He said until you don't learn to be content within you will never meet god or have a godly experience.

Simple effective message I thought. Point noted.

According to gurbani - "Satsangat kaisi jaaniye, Jithe eko Naam vakhaaniye".
You will gain some gyan but faster spiritual elevation occurs when in the right "saadh"sangat as said by Xylitol above. I don't mean general saadh-sangat I'm referring to saadh-sangat where individuals there themselves have purified their own mind and achieved some avasta and the ability to help others achieve the same.
 

I was under the impression vaccines don’t stop you getting covid but reduce your chances of getting severely sick with it. 
 
Saying that over Christmas my son caught covid and both my wife and I managed to not catch it as you can’t keep distance from a child. Could be luck or the fact that both my wife and I had our 3rd booster 3 weeks before and our resistance was high at that time.

I was under the impression vaccines don’t stop you getting covid but reduce your chances of getting severely sick with it. 
 
Saying that over Christmas my son caught covid and both my wife and I managed to not catch it as you can’t keep distance from a child. Could be luck or the fact that both my wife and I had our 3rd booster 3 weeks before and our resistance was high at that time.

I was under the impression vaccines don’t stop you getting covid but reduce your chances of getting severely sick with it. 
 
Saying that over Christmas my son caught covid and both my wife and I managed to not catch it as you can’t keep distance from a child. Could be luck or the fact that both my wife and I had our 3rd booster 3 weeks before and our resistance was high at that time.

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me  badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution.
In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again.
Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas?
Something like this.
https://www.amazon.co.uk/TabTime-Vibrating-Alarm-Reminder-Watch/dp/B0855ZRNFG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=102760464886&gclid=Cj0KCQiAosmPBhCPARIsAHOen-P8o90ZVxBZEbG2OmdMfVyWT8tM4AO_yogX0Aes07MJyTRpu3MvveQaAiRtEALw_wcB&hvadid=446637826485&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9044954&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4813379324227199873&hvtargid=kwd-490229337032&hydadcr=21046_1806757&keywords=watch%2Bwith%2Bvibration%2Balarm&qid=1643289839&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOU81UVgwUlg3SkhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTgzMjQ5M1ZLQ0dQU1JGRlYwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ0MjI2M1A2WjAwOEhPVVhZVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

Some one shared it on SikhSangat. Thought it would be useful in our SA Meditation section . ;-)
Wish it was a video though. Would have been nice to see exactly what places he was pointing at when giving certain instructions.