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In india the eggs a lot of times are fertilized and that's why those groups do not eat eggs even if they are not fertilized in the west. I'm not sure if the nihangs eat eggs. Does anybody know?
In my opinion there is nothing wrong with eggs that are not fertilized. There is no killing involved to get the egg.

Astrology is not needed in sikhi. A person can follow a sikh lifestyle without doing any astrology crap.

Good points.
There is no denying that the whole alignment of stars, planets ..constellations etc... can affect us, and in return WE can also affect it.
Gurbani tells us that Gobind-master of the whole universe is Akal Purakh himself..
A single action of ours can have an affect on some object or entity in some galaxy, some thousands of light years away.
To deny the science of astrology is ignorance.
Let's just take palm reading....and the left hand is said to show what the person is born with and what is destined,..whereas the right hand shows what the person has become in relation to the seeds they have sown, new karams, deeds...etc... However, even though there is this pre-destiny written on the level of awareness of when they were born,, they can without doubt 'raise their awareness' with naam kamayee and thus constantly be changing their destiny as from what was initially written.
This is how gurbani tells us, a gurmukh wipes his own lekh and karams and thus Gobind will keep updating them along with the constant order of the universe.
Personally, I have witnessed and seen my own palm lines change in short time spans,
Gurbani doesn't say that astrology is fake or anything,  but it is all calculated with precision within principles of Cause & Effect. However,, the only astrologer that can know it all and be up to date with all the changes is Akal Purakh,..antarjami ...Gobind himself.
 
So, the point is that getting an astrology reading will give you some idea of what may possibly happen according to your current level of awareness. ..But if you raise that awareness with naam kamayee, then you can also change/wipe any negatives that may have been destined initially.
Gurmat tells us that we don't walk on to the stepping stones placed before us according to astrology, but we walk in hukam whilst gathering naam dhan and let Akal Purakh keep placing the newer stepping stones in front of us. We can get an astrological reading or some idea of where we are at and what may happen......... but to sit back and just take that for granted would be ignorance. ..instead we should work on raising consciousness so that changes can occur for future events to unfold with less universal negatives.
 
 
 
 
 
 

Do whatever you like but don't justify this as sikhi.

I just want to know why you are so adamant on going to see a joshi astrologer. 

Seriously veer? Why the hell do you need an astrologer for? That shit ain't in sikhi. 

Osho once said, 'when you meet the true Guru, you will not find answers to your questions, but your questions will become irrelevant.' 

When I go to india probably next year I will take a lot if videos of Singhs, jathedars, panj pyare etc. I went to india in November 2014 and met with so many prominent gursikhs such as the head katha vachak from hazur sahib gyani amarjit Singh, Singh sahib jathedar mal singh, Singhs from bhai ki samad, Singh sahib gyani pooran Singh, sant baba surjeet Singh mehron vale, sant baba Amir Singh, sant partaap Singh damdami taksal and so many more. The year before I met even more Singhs. I have a good relation to the Singhs I have named and many more.
so next year when I go I'll make a video of my whole trip.

I was at a nihang taksal and they give santheya of Sri charitarpkhyian to bibi's as well. So Satkiran please don't think that only males read it. There are many instances as well that male treachery are accounted for in Sri charitarpkhyian. The name of Sri charitarpkhyian actually means the wiles of humans. 

people turn to astrologers, pandits and clairvoyants  when they have no one else to turn to.
A Sikh always turns to guruji and akal purakh.
If god's superior temple the hari-mandar is within you,..then why go looking outside for answers?
Ardas, hukamnaama and his kirpa is what you should count on....and kirpa doesn't come like no lottery or pure chance, as some wrongly claim-where only some get it and others don't.......you have to 'cultivate' and sow seeds of naam kamayee in order to be kirpa's candidate.
 

I was at a nihang taksal and they give santheya of Sri charitarpkhyian to bibi's as well. So Satkiran please don't think that only males read it. There are many instances as well that male treachery are accounted for in Sri charitarpkhyian. The name of Sri charitarpkhyian actually means the wiles of humans. 

Guru Nanak Patshah says in Bani:
ਗਣਤ ਗਣੀਐ ਸਹਸਾ ਦੁਖੁ ਜੀਐ ॥
ਗੁਰ ਕੀ ਸਰਣਿ ਪਵੈ ਸੁਖੁ ਥੀਐ
Astrological calculations about one's future create suspense or sorrow in one's heart;
But by seeking the Guru's refuge, one always remains in peace and comfort.

When I go to india probably next year I will take a lot if videos of Singhs, jathedars, panj pyare etc. I went to india in November 2014 and met with so many prominent gursikhs such as the head katha vachak from hazur sahib gyani amarjit Singh, Singh sahib jathedar mal singh, Singhs from bhai ki samad, Singh sahib gyani pooran Singh, sant baba surjeet Singh mehron vale, sant baba Amir Singh, sant partaap Singh damdami taksal and so many more. The year before I met even more Singhs. I have a good relation to the Singhs I have named and many more.
so next year when I go I'll make a video of my whole trip.

This is in reply to material posted by a Guest in other thread. I will speak from personal experience and my personal beliefs in Guru Ji. I do not care about the authenticity of Charitropakhyan from historical perspective. Since, the Chaupai Sahib is well approved by all the Panth, Charitropakhyan comes along with it. Baba Nand Singh ji took the rehraas from Hazoor Sahib, which includes the dohra about 405 Charitars. If there was anything controversial , Baba Ji will not have approved it. That alone is enough for me personally to have faith in words of Guru and Sant Mahapurush, I will not  change that at any cost, no matter how many historical sources this and that you provide me.
There are two questions that I would like to address, and some questions that I would like to ask Anti-charitropakhyan people in the end.
1) How can Guru Gobind Singh Ji write erotica ?
2) If this is bani, why is it not read in front of sangat in diwans ?
 
Ans 1 : Can Guru Ji write erotica ? It really is the fault of those who view it as erotica. When they make such a statement, they are basically assuming that Guru ji is on the same mental level as them. They assume that Guru Ji is affected by Lust, that Guru Ji will get excited when they will write such erotic material or tales. They assume that Guru ji like us find the form of woman attractive or get desires just like them. These people view Guru as a normal human being with desires like them. They think that Guru ji finds this material sexy, just like they do. They are making all these assumption based on their human nature. They do not know anything about the nature of their Guru. They are judging Guru based on their limited experience of reality & bondage of sexual desires, and their own insecurity. Just like no one can know about God, no one can know about the Nature of Guru. We can only say he is beyond and beyond. Neo Singh often does a good job in describing such states of non-duality untouched complete awareness, as evident from Akal Ustat.
          Now I will give my own example. I went through medical school. I have touched breasts, I have done manual vaginal physical examinations with my hands touching each and every portion you can imagine, I have done Pap Smear examinations taking samples from the cervix, I have assisted in deliveries of babies and witnessed the tearing & all the emotional drama. I have witnessed the female form in its fullest, deepest & grossest state. I have dissected bodies, penises and vaginas.   Do you know what was the state of my mind during my exposure ?
                        It was neutral. There was no sexual feelings associated with anything at all. Instead the opposite happened. My libido had decreased to zero after doing those pap smears and handling crazy mothers during delivery. I was not excited at all at the sight of breast or female form.  I was just in that state. The atmosphere was very professional & such thoughts never arose. Thus, if someone like me , who is lowly nothing, can experience this state of non-attachment to female body & loss of libido after so much exposure, do you think that Guru Gobind Singh Ji  who is the creator himself, the one who created Maya will be affected when writing sexual descriptive tales.
 
Ans 2 :   If this is bani, why is it not read in front of sangat in diwans ?
Consider this bani as something which is for certain advanced Sikhs who hold positions of great responsibility spiritually and politically, or saints who need to learn the antics of great maya before they can reach their ultimate goal.  Only those who are medical students & Doctors are allowed to witness & perform the procedures on female body that I mentioned above. Not every joe blow can come in and touch a woman's breast. This is years of rigorous training for a transformation of a medical student into a doctor or surgeon. Think of medical student as someone who risen above sexual desires and surgeon as a brahmgyani who reached his final destination.
If you teach this bani to someone who has not even read Guru Granth Sahib or has not even risen above the Lust, it will definitely seem as erotica. And all these people are only projecting their own insecurities , fears and weaknesses through their anti-charitropakhyan stance.
 
3) Why so many graphic details ?
 When you want to bring a piece to life, details are included from a poetic standpoint.  The details of sex positions, the voices of bed squeaking, ejaculation of sperm, deceit, or others etc recreate the scene and bring it to life. If you are getting excited reading this then you have a lot of work to do. Obviously, this was not meant for everyone. If you are getting weak in your knees reading this obviously you need to do a lot of work. Go apply Guru Granth Sahib in your life before you get to reading these so called erotic tales.
 
 
 
 
 
 
 
 

What about in guru argun sahib jis time guru granth sahib was aad granth sahib and wasnt given gurgaddi , why did guru arjun sahib have so much respect bowed to aad granth sahib (correct if im wrong someone i dont havr good memory) aad granth wasnt guru that time bur why singhs and gurus respected aad guru granth sahib so much , because it is gods words, same as sri dasam granth sahib ji given to sikhs 

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Okay, let's go from here. Are you saying that the baani of Sri Dasam Granth Sahib Ji, either individually or in its entirety (I'll let you choose), is inferior in any way shape or form to that of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
Whilst no one is denying that Aad Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji is our Guru (at least I hope no is), this does not mean that the Baani of the Tenth Master deserves any less respect.
As far as bowing down to individual baanis/shabads goes, you may choose not to, I would GLADLY.
You say individual baanis would not be put on a palki (e.g. Jap ji). What, then, would you say the the Mohan Pothis that Sri Guru Arjun Dev Ji Maharaj bought to the Sri Harmandir Sahib in a palki? What would you say to the Fifth Master giving his own takht to Sri Aad Granth Sahib Ji (remember, Guru Granth Sahib Ji does not have the Gurgaddi yet), sitting on the floor with the rest of the sangat and bowing down to it? Is the Fifth Master, too, not bowing down to an "incomplete" Granth?
What are your views, then, on Sri Sarbloh Guru Granth Sahib Ji?
What are are your views on the Sixth and Tenth Gurus, when they elevated the shasters, done Chaur over them and BOWED to them?
There is a katha done by Giani Sher Singh Ji Nihang explaining the whole "not doing parkash of any Granth same level as Guru Sahib", in which he explains that people started to (wrongly) parkash Ramayan/Gita/Mahabharat along side Guru Sahib Ji, hence the introdction of this rule.
For the majority of us, it is quite simple:
Jin Bhae Adab Naa Baani Dhaaraa
Jaano So Sikh Nahi Hamaaraa

The f are you talking about? Where in my posts have I tried limiting women?!?!?! I'm telling you to shut up cause you know nothing about dasam Granth so instead of spewing garbage against dasam Granth learn punjabi and actually study Sri dasam guru Granth. 
http://www.patshahi10.org/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=347:charitropakhyan-and-i-a-woman-by-sanjam-kaur&catid=34:english&Itemid=63
I'm not sure if this was posted before but I highly recommend you read it Satkiran. The whole site is amazing.

Can this thread be closed?

Actually, as good as the SRM is, it is not without its major flaws:
-the nitnem of 5 bani rather than 7
-the complete shortening of rehraas sahib ji
-the various discrepancies in the mangals of the nitnem bani
-no rakhiya de shabad before Kirtan Sohila
And that's just to do with nitnem banis, never mind meat and Raagmala (but that's a whole other can factory of worms).
My point is, this SRM that you are clinging so tightly to does not truly do justice to the Guru's Rehit as it contains too many discrepancies. None of the traditional sampardas (udasi, nirmala, sevapanthi, nihang, taksal, nanaksar, bhai Daya Singh ji samparda etc etc. ) use it as gospel, and I'm guessing you don't either..

http://www.vice.com/read/ten-days-of-silence-taught-me-how-to-be-alive-500
Its a pretty good read mind you there are some vulgar things.

​Most Sikhs of first master did not carry weapons, but many Sikhs of tenth master did --- this is not creating differences.
Sikhs of first master were docile and placid, but Sikhs of tenth master were brave --- this is creating differences.
One cannot compare the above two statements. One is talking about outward appearance, while the other is about the actual state of human mind.
Bhul chuk maaf

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​Well, Eight master took that egoistic pandit as a Sikh, after he repented.
Bhul chuk maaf

Jawaddi is amazing. 

Jawaddi is amazing.