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I'm not denying any of the Seva Taksal did in the 80s and 70s. I respect the fact that Baba Gurbachan Singh and his 2 successors respected the Maryada at Akal Takhat. However, that doesn't mean I'd like them to be in charge of Sri Akal Takhat Sahib as the authority over the Panth. Indeed I won't know what they would do in such situations, no one would. But a track record is sufficient to provide insight in to what might've happened. 
I haven't made any hyperbole as of now. I've been careful not to.  

There's a Puraatan Kharrda (manuscript) of the Hukams kept at Poanta Sahib. 
 

There's a Puraatan Kharrda (manuscript) of the Hukams kept at Poanta Sahib. 
 

.......  wonderful.

That's actually one of many  methods of torturous execution that the Nihang Singhs practiced with Captured Turkus. It was like a Maryada. 

That again is incorrect. I would equate the Missionaries more to Lutheran or Reformist Christians. 
The destruction of artifacts, manuscripts, and Guru Ghars was committed by the Kar Seva Wale Babe. Whom aren't really supervised. Also, destruction of artifacts didn't happen during the Singh Sabha Sudhar Lehar, it happened decades afterwards. The SGPC and Missionaries are two different entities. The SGPC evidently isn't the same as it was before. That goes for any institution or sect in the Panth. 
Taksal seems more similar to the Taliban, in the fact they punish Dushts (which from an impartial eye would seem "extremist".) and are quick to impose their views and ideology, albeit not with the same methodology as the Taliban.
 
the Puraatan Sampardas already had control, and they demonstrated what they could do with such power, which was not really Gurmat. If Taksal had control, The same stupidity would have taken place. No one's got clean hands here. 

I'll take a picture of the paragraph and upload it.  It's from Gurmat Rehat Maryada (original, longer Book). 
What Taksalis do today is not what Taksalis did then. Even the Gyanis who studied under Gyani Gurbachan Singh Khalsa can't be trusted. Before the advent of the Internet and the standardization of their narratives, you could sit around 5 separate students of Gyani Gurbachan Singh down, in separate rooms, ask the same one question, and have a result of 5-6 Answers. 
DamDami Taksal was extremely anti-Padd Ched, and even more so, extremely anti-printing Bani. There used to be only Larrivar Prakash at Mehta, They had strict Baana Requirements, and followed Rehat according to Rehatnamas, the tradition that they were instilled with, etc. 
women were only barred from Panj Pyarea Di Seva because of their criteria for Panj Pyare eligibility. 
Today, That's no longer the case, of course. 
 
and i I don't know what you mean by "we".

Interestingly, I actually met a random Baba at a Wedding who had seen this Pothi In India, he recounted something about Naam Simran techniques and practices being prescribed in there.

Actually, that's wrong, it's in the same form as it was originally, It's not a translation, Who said it's not original?.....it's in print now too... so this shouldn't even be an argument. 
 There still is a manuscript available, as far as I know, only one of two manuscripts have gone missing.  
To address your last point, People have been doctoring and interpolating texts to fit their preconceptions way before the annexation. 

Bhai Sahib, mere kehana eh si vi Dasam Bani bina mera din nahi Chalda. Dasam Bani vich meh tora zyada zor laa dina :/

Have you any of you guys have any info about the so called "Baba" Vadhbag "Singh" Dera in Doaba? I read about him a while ago and how he's a descendant of Dhir Maaliyas, fled from the Turks and Khalsa, and how his Dera is not to be gone to or to associate with his followers, but I just found that my close Family members go to this Dera which is headed by a women who is related to a close family member. So does anyone got any info?

Ehna Paenchoda nu ta eh kam Ehsaan aa. Brits and other Europeans are all fossards. Isn't anyone concerned about the low life sentences and the benefits these assholes receive? This is what happens when you let a lot of Sullays into your country.  

Yes it has in the 'Att Khalsa Mool Mantar'.

Sri Dasam Granth Sahib is Gurbani from Jaap to the Hikaayatan, it's 100% proven to be Gurbani. There is a lot of literature on it. Bundkhoj and the anti-DG lobby need to be countered, that's all.  Appi fukria maar maar ke thak jaan ge, bas sawala de jawab deo.

It's not that simple. People who have his photo might use the same argument - Saying that Sikhs are not terrorists. The bombing is always put in the backdrop of Bagri's speech. Something that "intelligence" desperately wanted to hear to connect the dots. It is not very difficult to comprehend this. Sikhs have never supported terrorism and never will. The whole dynamics of 1984  and the later were seemingly manufactured. One systematic outcome can be seen to date and this is to disregard Sikhs as 'saviours' of India (when I say India,I mean the country, not 'Hindus' only)  and it's cultural identity or rather as anti-India/anti-'Hindu' and slowly put the trust on 'someone else'. With Sikhs openly being a part of integral India, India would possibly have prospered without much 'external' help.
GOI is involved due to their 'slave' and insecure/greed tendencies.
There was documentary on the bombings, if I remember, where they show the interrogator asking Reyat '... What should be done with the people who carried out these bombings ..' to which he says '... they should be shot dead ...'. In my opinion it was not them or any of the Sikhs who were involved in the bombings ...
Just remember - Talwinder Singh Parmar, a Canadian citizen. having warrants issued against him in India, bombs air india  and then goes to India to get shot dead ....? Makes Sense? ... Not.

happy to insult aanyone who has the audacity to disregard any parts from Sri dasam granth ji

there you go with your 18th century again. the sources you mentioned. like they are spun gold or something.
your arguments are the same as what i would expect to find where my head is.
but you seem to want to cast things in stone over "extremely limited or not".
These oral sources are more dependable than the sources you depend on so much. No two written sources say the same thing, yet the Amrit Sinchar is identical in todays time. That would tell me that the process hasn't changed terribly over the 2 centuries.
what sources (eye-witness) do you have to say that Guru Ji gave gurgaddi to Guru Granth Sahib?

As I said earlier, a perspective is not formed on the basis of one book but several books, so I'll quote some works here, I am not vouching for the general authenticity of the accounts but simply stating that a point is being corraborated by several granths. And no, many Granths supporting a thing doesn't mean its true. But lets see:
Several older works only make 2 type of distinctions between Sikhs, the Amritdharis & the Sahejdharis. The Kesdharis are mentioned but synonymous with amritdharis, which is evident from some sources saying 'a kesdhari who does not take amrit will go to hell/is a bhekhi' (don't remember the source, might be Sau Sakhi). 
The thing is the sects you mention are not really a division, you can be a nirmala sahejdhari but also a nirmala amritdhari, you can be a sevapanthi sahejdhari (like the earlier ones) but also a sevapanthi amritdhari. The broad distinction are the two groups. I base this theory on my study of Sau Sakhi, Chaupa Rehat, Bhagat Ratnavli, Vijay Mukt, etc. Besides that I have not read Bhai Kanhaiyas successors book but apparently it supports the fact that they were not amritdharis. (18th century writing).

to whoever said Singh Sabha introduced modern/western historic approach to Sikhi- thats a joke. no western historian respects their work. thats why McLeod pissed them off (because he articulated that).

Perof Sahib Singh and Vir Singh were criminals, Teja Singh was a sensationalist and propgandist.

Singh Sabha= when certain sikhs started trying to act like 'leaders'. You people have made the above type people your leaders.

Neo

When will you let up on the sanatan propaganda about when the Budha Dal was kicked out of Akal Takht. So those dastardly conniving and effeminate Akalis used women to beat up Budha Dal Jathedar knowing that he wouldn't attack women! I am sure there were soormay enough within the Akali Jathas who could have taken care of the Budha Dal Jathedar without the need to have women do the job. According to research, a third of the Akalis were former soldiers who had just fought in the battlefields of the First World War, so there would have no problem with finding volunteers to throw the Budha Dal Jathedar out. Read the life stories of Akalis like Kartar Singh Jhabbar and you might get a better feel for what the Akalis were like.

I challenged you on this story many years ago and then your only evidence for this story was that some Nihang had told you.

I think your fairy story is an insult to the thousands of Akalis who lost their lives, were injured and who lost their livelihoods and pensions to liberate the Gurdwaras from the Mahants. I think your fairy story is probably made up as an excuse to why the Nihangs stood by while their Jathedar was so unceremoniously kicked out of the Akal Takht.

If you are interested to know what the Akalis were like during the Gurdwara movement read this interesting article by T. Sher Singh.

http://www.sikhchic.com/article-detail.php?id=115&cat=18

That's what people don't like to face up to. The Khande Amrit ceremony was the most overt attempt to level a disgustingly caste ridden society hinged on inequality. THAT is what differentiates us from other Indian movements. It's a shame that phudhoos today have totally negated that by bringing in jaat/paat/tribal gundh into Sikh social order.
 
Shame on them. And the number one culprit right now is the jatt phudhoo club that is the SGPC/Akali Dal. That's how far we've gone from our moorings.
 
On another angle: we've got phudhoos inside our community who are more concerned with trying to help with outsider issues (like Palestine, or the west's war on oil rich Arab lands), then trying to straighten out our own backwards society.... 
 
What a bunch of dicks.

Actually, as good as the SRM is, it is not without its major flaws:
-the nitnem of 5 bani rather than 7
-the complete shortening of rehraas sahib ji
-the various discrepancies in the mangals of the nitnem bani
-no rakhiya de shabad before Kirtan Sohila
And that's just to do with nitnem banis, never mind meat and Raagmala (but that's a whole other can factory of worms).
My point is, this SRM that you are clinging so tightly to does not truly do justice to the Guru's Rehit as it contains too many discrepancies. None of the traditional sampardas (udasi, nirmala, sevapanthi, nihang, taksal, nanaksar, bhai Daya Singh ji samparda etc etc. ) use it as gospel, and I'm guessing you don't either..

​The seal of Sikh authority is SSGGSJ, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee and Sri Sarabloh Granth Sahib jee.
Bhul chuk maaf

​Yes but the moghals refered to all non-muslims as hindus. the word hindu did not have the same connotation  as it does now.
​the udasis were absent arms and hence able to perform this sewa. the Dal Panth was not.
 

​What does the quote prove? The sehajdahris were required at some stage to take amrit and commit formally to Khalsa rehat. Not to spend their whole lives absent rehat and claiming to be sehajdhari.
If anything the quote seems to be exactly the thing to spur on sehajdharis to strengthen their sikhi.