ragnarok

Still doesnt say anything about following punjab local time. Ástral travel and the power of asthaans is one thing, telling people to do nitnem at midday because it's morning in Punjab is another.
 
 
 

Would you be willing to elaborate on this? 

The content on other forums is 99% junk. It's easy to have a lot of content when it's mostly nonsense. Punjabis tend to conflate their colonial/post colonial punjabi culture with Sikhi and spend most of their time obsessing over govt conspiracy theories, reinforcing Victorian era puritanical ideas which have nothing to do with Sikhi or Punjab for that matter, and telling 'outsiders' that they are not welcome.

This is an invaluable write up by a Gurmukh on the path of surat shabad marg. Take laha and inspriation from it friends.
 
OUR NIJ GHAR-  THE FOURTH SUNN
Our mind thinks incessantly and does not hold still even for an instant. Under all sorts of distractions it wanders aimlessly in all directions. Only after finding a perfect Guru thru good fortune, who gives mantra of Lord's Name (for japna) that mind becomes quiet and tranquil:
"Eh mun na tikay bauhrangee deh dis dhavay.
Gur poora paaia vadbhagee Har Mantar deea mun thadhay" p-171
This is what Naam Japna does to a wandering mind. It tries to make it still, till it stops thinking when it is lured into the 'dhun' of the japna and comes inside where it is totally disconnected from the input of the five sense organs. It becomes totally thoughtless, a condition called 'sunn' in Gurbani. In this condition mind stops giving any instructions to the body which becomes still and is said to be in 'smadhee'.
It is in this condition the mind is disconnected from world of Maya of three modes and comes in where Naam/ Sabad is. This space where mind comes in is called 'sunn mandal'. Gurbani mentions about sunn many a time, as location of Naam, Satguru and God. Purpose of Naam Japna is to disconnect the mind from Maya and its bad effects in Raj Gun and Tum Gun and clean it up with Naam/ Sabad :"Bhareeay matt papaan kay sung. O dhopay naavay kay rung." Sabad is God's utterance in all the bodies: "Ghat ghat vaajay naad." and cleans the dirt caused by Mayan thoughts:                                                                                                                                      "Mun dhovo sabad laago Har sio raho chit laa-ay."p-919
   
The inner journey for spiritual development is thru sunn where Naam/Sabad Guru who is also called Satguru in Gurbani, who not only gives spiritual knowledge but also prepares the mind for meeting with Nirankar.
"Sabade he Naaon upjay sabade mail milaaia." p-646
As the mind just enters into sunn it is said to be sitting in FIRST SUNN. When the thoughtless mind in sunn merges with the ambient of the sunn mandal it adopts the nature of air there, the first creation of God, Sach:
"Saachay te pavna bhaiaa." p-19
"Suneh sunn miliaa samdarsi pavan roop ho jaae-geh." p-1103
This  condition of mind in Sunn Mandal when it merges with air is called the SECOND SUNN.
Continuing progress on this journey in sunn, Anhad Sabad, the unstruck divine melodies are heard there. These are the utterances of the Nirankar inside us as Sabad Guru. It is here that mind starts getting cleansed by Sabad/ Naam to prepare for the journey to the goal. This zone in the sunn manadal is called Amritsar or Pool of ambrosial nectar of Naam where mind bathes in it to clean itself:                                                                                                           
"Antar koohnta Amrit bharia" p-570.
This zone is also called  Dev Sathan, the area where devtas, the angels live in three gunas after physical death as they did not reach the Nirankar yet:
"Dev sathany kia nissani.
Teh bajay Sabad anahad banee."p-974
Devtas are stuck here and could not go beyond for not having done enough bhagti to cross over the 'bhavjal sagar'. They don't have to be born again but can't go beyond to unite with Nirankar. And beg God to give them another chance in human body so that they can do more bhagti to crossover to higher level:
"Is dehi ko simray dev.
So dehee bhaj Har kee sev." p-1159
This  state of mind surrounded by Anhad Sabad is called the THIRD SUNN. This is also called 'dhaval', a cross over between Bhavjal Sagar and Nij Ghar. Here mind is with air which it sheds before entering into the next sunn. This is also called 'dar' or doorway to the Sach Mehal/Parkash Mehal, the Mansion of the Divine. It is about this state  Guru Nanak Ji is writing about in 27th Pauri of Jap Ji Sahib, describing the symphony of celestial music going on at the dar or gate of the Sach Ghar where all His creation is singing praises to Him:
"So dar keha so ghar keha jit beh sarab smaalay.
Vaajay naad anake asankha ketay vavanhaary.
Ketay raag paree sio kaheean ketay gavanharay.
Gaavay tohnau paun panee baisantar gavay raja dharan duaaray."p-6              
 
Next step in progress comes when the mind is fully cleansed of the filth of  Maya  and is waiting for the Grace of God to open the Tenth Door to let His child in. This is preceded by sounding of Toor and Naad:
"Anhad Banee  Naad vajaaia."p-375
As the Door opens amidst sounding of Five Sabads, mind is welcome home having conquered five doots of Maya. Mind sheds the air and is illumined with Jot of God and is fully awakened to its spiritual self by the Sabad:
"Dhun upjee Sabad jgaaia" p-1039.
Free from bondage of Maya, mind sees nothing but Parkash or Divine Light/ Jot and finally meets the Beloved Lord:
"Pargati Jot milay Ram Piaray."p-375
This happens with the Grace of the Guru  that one meets the Lord, finds perfect peace and tranquility with such ease:
"Guru Nanak tutha miliaa Har Raaia.
Sukh raen vihaani sehaj subhhaia."p-375.
This is the area where dwells the perfect Lord Brahm in sunn-smadh and holds discussions with Bhagats. There is no happiness or grief and no death or birth (but absolute tranquility):
"Sun samadh gufa te asan.
Kewal Brahm pooran teh basan.
Bhagat sang Prabh gosht karat.
Taha harakh na sog na janam marat."p-894.
This is the Fourth SUNN and end of mind's journey back to its Nij Ghar and Sehaj Ghar where it can live in perfect bliss and becomes Jiwan Mukat, liberated while alive.
This sunn is also called Anhad Sunn. Those minds who reach this sunn become  just like the One Who created them:
'Anahad sunn rattay se kaisay.
Jistay upjay tishee jaisay." p-943
Sunn prevails inside and outside in all three zones; earth, sky and nether-lands. In fourth sunn mind becomes Gurmukh and its karmas are over and is not judged for these:
"Antar sunan bahar sunnan tri-bhavan sunam sunan:
Chauthai  sunun jo nar jaanai ta ko paap na punnan." p-943
This is the house of the True One as told by the Satguru and is also the true house of His child, mind who is on a physical journey on this planet, Earth:
"Satgur tay paa-ay veechara .
Sunn Samadh Sachay Ghar bara." p-1037
Gurbani guides us how to make it to our true home while alive and become a jeevan-mukat so that at the end of our physical life we land straight into Nijh Ghar and are met with our Father, Nirankar who greets us with a hug, congratulating us for our victory in fight with five-doots of Maya:
"Jo jan Har Prabh Har Har sarna tin dargeh Har Har deh vadiaaee.
Dhan dhan sabaas kahay harjan ko Nanak mel la-ay gal laee." p-493
Gurmukhs thus establish an easy access to Nij Ghar from Bhavjal Sagar via sunn, Anhad Sabad, Toor and back to Bhavjal Sagar for their mundane responsibilities following the same route back.
'Gurmukh aavay jaa-ay nisang." p-932
 
https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=10155685879796417&id=528556416

There is an element of sikhs who are trying to push an abrahamic agenda where mysticism is frowned upon

I am finally starting to experience this. Not to the same extreme but I’m listening to the air conditioning circulating in the house and it’s in synch with it. It’s been happening especially at night when I’m about to sleep. I can unmatch it by changing the rhytm forcefully, but as soon as I stop doing that it automatically goes in synch again. Still needs practice though because it breaks and reconnects at times. 
 
I had a very very brief moment where I felt rain drops on my skin - happened a few days ago. Hasn’t happened since but I think it’s still a good sign. 
 
I am also getting moments where my entire focus is absorbing into the rom rom. There is no recognition of who I am, or where I am. It’s complete absorption into the jaap. Those moments are the best. I usually have to set an alarm nowadays because I don’t know how long I would be out for. 
 
Things keep getting better. However, I have been regretting packing up my schedule so much. Most of the time I just feel like ditching all of my work and just doing saas saas and rom rom. I just need to finish up the last bit of work and then I’ll have complete freedom starting Aug 2 until school starts in september. I think the major gains will happen during that time. 
 
Kaal is really starting to fight back now. The mind felt stable for so long. But these past few days I have been finding myself in situations that are triggering some thoughts. I don’t know how the idea of “tests” work as per gurmat. But essentially I have been in a few very bad circumstances recently where I found out close friends were doing nindhia/spreading lies about me. Social issues that are over 3 years old resurfacing, etc. So I have been trying to avoid people as much as possible. And then focusing on the jaap if any thoughts arise. The boat flipped over yesterday and I caught myself in some negative thoughts. This hasn’t happened in so long so a lot of concern arose from that. I had to take time off of my studying to just do jaap and get back on track. 
 
But it’s a very good reminder that anything can happen at any time. You need to be very careful that you don’t slip. I’ve heard you risk losing everything in some situations. 

Becoming a doctor in Canada is probably the hardest thing anyone could ever do. But keep at the Simran. It only makes things easier. You’re able to learn information a lot quicker than the people around you. And communication skills really improve. The rest is up to your karam. But eventually the goal of meeting god becomes first priority and everything else becomes irrelevant. You may get in, you may not, but you’re content with the fact that you tried and put in the effort. If things work out, you won’t be super excited, the emotions stay stable. If they don’t, you also stay stable and don’t get depressed over it. The bhagti keeps you at a stable equilibrium.
 
It’s great. You look back at yourself and reflect on your past conversations/actions and think “why was I so depressed over xyz?” Tregun just literally becomes so irrelevant. It’s like watching a movie. You may have a few preferences on how you want the movie to end... but at the end of the day you really just don’t give enough of a sh*t. Whatever happens happens. And you just go home after it’s all done (this especially applies for the people who are actually able to go into the home of the mind lol - not me though... still have a long way to go until that happens). 
 
From what I have understood the following are not in your control no matter what 
1. Birth/Death
2. The people you have sanjog with
3. Ustat and nindhia of you
 
This knowledge becomes more concrete the deeper you go with your simran. You just flow with everything while those three factors are playing out in your life.
 
This experiences thread is just becoming harder and harder for me as time goes on. I cannot express how life feels. While I’m going about my life, there is a lot more passion when doing things. Even when I’m sitting down to do a difficult mcat passage. There was a time years ago when I would get so frustrated I would want to throw my books out of a window but now the same feeling of contentment exists whether I struggle or succeed. It’s neither happiness nor sadness. All is the same. It’s just a very very deep feeling of peace. It is om shanti om 
 
And during jaap it gets even better. The experiences may happen but the actual practice itself has become so enjoyable. It’s fun doing the techniques and experimenting to see what makes the mind go quiet the fastest. There are times when the knockout is so hard that by the time I wake up I completely forget who I am. Even today it was as if I had never existed. Once I woke up, I immediately looked at my arms and legs and realized “oh yeah... this is who I am”. It’s literally like you have died during those moments. And once it ends and you’re awake again, you just want to go back. 

I have always wanted to experience the akashic records that people talk about. I've tried looking for information online but everything I come across tends to seem like bs and a bunch of people just talking about a "feeling". Questions relating to how many lives I've been through and previous karam related questions have always been on my mind. I want to see what my history has been. I also think it might be beneficial to tap into all of the knowledge that is stored there, it might help with bhagti in one way or another.
 
Does anyone know how to get access to them? Can the inner sounds be used to get ourselves to those records? 

Thought I'd post a quick update since it's been a while. I've started hearing a conch shell and a chimta type noise. The peace felt from it is insane. I cannot put it into words. My entire body just relaxes. Only happens at night/early morning and the mind needs to be extremely quiet. Baby steps but slowly moving forward. 

If you could be bothered to actually read the post you'd see that it's about different ways and/or levels of practising naam simran, not about different naams.

If you could be bothered to actually read the post you'd see that it's about different ways and/or levels of practising naam simran, not about different naams.

I heard it in person, will see if I can find it in a recording.

Since I came across the jathedar's videos I can't stop listening.

Since I came across the jathedar's videos I can't stop listening.

double post

Yes, but this varies witin stages of sunn itself. For eg. in sunn mandal, you start hear the naam coming direct. 
I shall try and do a single thread about sunn, since what I've shared is scattered over a few different threads. Good idea to tie it up in one.
 

“You know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you still remember dreaming? That’s where I’ll always love you. That’s where I’ll be waiting.”
Tinkerbell to Peter Pan.
 
Makes you wonder how many people know, and ask how they know...even at times and in cultures which shun the mystical

Coincidentally came across this today
 
 

“You know that place between sleep and awake, that place where you still remember dreaming? That’s where I’ll always love you. That’s where I’ll be waiting.”
Tinkerbell to Peter Pan.
 
Makes you wonder how many people know, and ask how they know...even at times and in cultures which shun the mystical

1) Follow breath into saas saas whilst incorporating gurmantar whisper.  
2) Elongate the breath, slow down, calmly and not forcefully.....let it come naturally. 
3) Then start holding breath in pause between "wahe" and "guru"..  and in between breathing in or out.
for eg,  "waaaaaaaheee" ..pause..hold...."guroooooo"....pause
The moment in between(pause-hold) is when you'll hear sound of sooo sooo or distant shabad ringing.   This is how it builds up and helps get you deeper.  Don't start thinking about sunn, because it will just come along. Just try to get deeper and deeper within. Keep following breath and silent gurmantar except at the pause.

These are good questions. I'm aware that you will have difficulty in getting the answers, but in time, they will come to you.  Things can get pretty tricky to explain unless one understands the experience.  Nevertheless, I can try answer them relative to my own journey and understanding. They are pretty long explanations to write down, so i will have to be a little blunt.  Whether i'm right, wrong, or if others experience different, is another discussion.  
 
This comes with practice.  You will start hearing shabad, alone, once naam is pargat.  There's quite a number of nishanees in gurbani for when this happens. We can discuss those then, but in the mean time it's just about practice.
 
1) "Some say to sit and wait in sunn"  you asked  ..<--doesn't really apply to naam pargat in my opinion.  I'll explain briefly.......
Now,.... I never understood sunn for ages. Even when i was in it,  I never realised where or what it was.  I have now awakened to the fact that there are 4 possible stages of sunn. The 1st is the basic sunn/sleep one that we all pass through at night before the mind falls in maya dreams. Think of it as a very short stage of dreamless and thoughtless sleep. You can practice elongating  this dreamless stage when doing jap, during moments of when you may be drifting to sleep. There is a very thin line between this void, dream sleep and being aware(in control).   Have you seen the movie 'Inception'?
The 2nd stage is the longest part of journey and is the Sunn Mandal. This is the stage when naam CAN get pargat. A lot of transformations take place in this zone and some people may even break it up into more divisions of sunn.  You don't really sit and wait in this stage as you questioned. The sitting and waiting is done in Sehaj sunn(the 3rd stage), when all you hear is the anhad dunn in the centre and all around.
 
My suggestion  is to do "saas saas".    Do this very quietly with focus on breath. Make the breathing long with antarghat or whisper "waaaaahhhhhheeeee" long pause, then  "guroooooooo',   long pause.  This is what helped me get to next levels.
 
To sit and wait in sunn, isn't really going to get you far in my opinion with out naam kamayee.  What i mean is that it's much easier to sit and wait in sunn when one get's naam and  has gained naam kamayee. 
Do the saas saas above and rom rom jugtees.   These should automatically take you into the tips of sunn mandal to begin with.... Then naam gets flowing,... naam kamayee begins, ... naam gets pargat...and then Naam kamayee will  take you further into depths and experiences of the same sunn mandal towards sehaj sunn.   It is the  fastest manner I know in which  you can undergo major transformations.  I'm suggesting it because I know it works.  
 Other methods of trying to rush into sunn are methods that i can't advise and don't understand how.   Gurmat emphasis that one does japna to get to naam. Naam is what helps you get deeper into sunn because you want to latch on to the shabad.
 
You need to keep practicing more rom rom because it isn't pargat yet.   Get real deep and start using all that energy from heart area dissipating throughout the body with jap.    I keep stressing the importance of practicing rom rom technique after saas saas.   Rom rom makes so many thing easier when you get to later stages.   It will help you get to deep meditative zones within seconds with the anhad shabad and you will discover so many other things.
 
Right or dominant side is usually at first. You wanna be able to hear the front, back and centre as well. Again, this is just practice, practice and practice.
 
The KEY to the whole approach is to work at a pace, in sehaj with utmost prem. If you have conditions or you only have prem for some conditions, then you will not succeed. What i mean is that when i ask most people "why they want to jap" . They usually respond with "sukh ,shanti, peace, at ease, no life stresses" ..etc..  These intentions make the process somewhat conditional, and conditions with God don't really help except in infant stages. This is the secret that no one tells you and the reason why 95% of seekers remain stuck.
 

There's 4 levels of Sunn, from what I gather. The 4th Sunn is the ultimate "sunn samadhi" in which you go directly into Nijh Ghar..Nirankar is in this Primal void PERMANENTLY,  and always was, always will be, but we can only go in and out(since we are jivs in maya)  We can go into chautha padh, ,visit,, and back out again. This is jivan mukhti.  House  of Nanak summary is   Attain Jivan mukhti --> at time of death,  go  DIRECTLY into Sunn Samadh with Akaal Purakh by latching on to NAAM (nanak naam jahaz hai).... Here, you shed ego, identity as you wont need to leave chautha padh again---=>>completely Ik-Mikh....and dissolved.
Yes, some have reported this, but i'm sure it depends on avastha.  Complete manmukhs/paapi.. don't often get second chance unless they were from devi/devte realm prior to birth. 
After my personal NDE and coma, I was aware of all  the people i had hurt in my life. It was a really weird perspective because I perceived it all outside of my own ego. As if i could feel the effect the other parties felt after I had hurt them.   One of the first things i was doing after waking up a month later was, asking forgiveness for these wrongs.  On top of all this, I knew  I was sent back to jap naam because that's what i had begged for prior to birth.   I never japped naam before my accident because no one ever told me and i hadn't got a clue where to begin. I took me a few years to work out what to do and how to get cracking at it. At the same time, I also worked out how to use mind to heal myself from brain and spinal injuries.
 
Yeh, dimethyltryptamine..We had another couple of threads about this some time ago. Naam rus does contain a very small amount of DMT. The shamans in the amazon drink it via ayahuasca, however, they only have divine experience if they are vibrating at higher frequencies. Otherwise, most folks end up having scary trips with jams scaring them and i think it' lower avastha dmt  consumers that could have freaky future and past visions.  I've shared and confirmed experiences with two local dmt users that were quite spiritual and into meditation/yoga.. Their accounts were interesting and it confirmed quite a few things for me.
 
 

In the west the dairy industry is very cruel and dairy products contain antibiotic residues and hormones so it makes sense to me why people want to avoid it.