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Satkiran just stop... Something's you say are really way off. Guru hargobind sahib Ji had I think 3 or 4 wives. Guru gobind Singh Ji had 3 wives. It wouldn't shock me if the 7th guru had 8 wives. Also just because you read some parts of dasam Granth and say how could that be attributed to guru cause it doesn't follow your thinking doesn't make it wrong.. Sri charitarphkiyan is a bani about the character of humans and in there it is written about both men and women so get your facts straight.. Most of the Khalsa Rehit is from dasam Granth.. In dasam Granth you get the ardaas, it tells the kakaars, it tells who the guru is etc... Without dasam Granth the panth would be completely different... The whole dasam Granth is guru gobind Singh Ji's writings... Sri sarbloh Granth is guru Ji's writing as well. Sri hazur sahib, Sri Patna sahib, nihang dals all have Sri dasam Granth with Guru Granth Sahib. Up until 1945 Sri dasam Granth and Sri Guru Granth Sahib were on the same level parkash in akaal takht.. So satkiran just speak what you know about.

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Paapiman Veer,

Thanks for reply, but for me, this is the end of discussion. You have categorically accepted that woman is lower than male just because there is no Tuk in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which shows how little you know. Well, brother, you have a very long, very rough road ahead. But I can suggest you as member of Sangat, there is no shame in changing your attitude, I hope some day you agree to change and Guru ji will show you the right way.

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Paapiman:

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'But, I would like to see Gursikh females show utmost respect to the Gursikh males (treat them as devtay).'

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is this utmost respect limited only to females or it also includes males( treating wives as God)? Why you are dodging the answer by including mother? Forget the mother scenario for a while.

Paapiman ji,

let's say both meaning are right,

She who looks upon husband as lord,
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She who looks upon lord as husband

You are still stuck with Akhri arth, in this tuk Guru ji is not certifying that a woman is below any male,

I have forgotten the exact shabad may be someone in Sangat knows : it goes like this:

"Sakhi parmaarth mahapurkh, updesh sabhna layee sanjha"

meaning, Mahapurkhs, when they use some allegorical reference, it is meant for all, and it always have a broader meaning. So, in the above Tuk, Guru ji is not addressing to sikh-females but to the "Soul-bride", technically speaking, a Soul-bride is both male and female, it signifies the intent of a person must be true, it means even a male with true love for Waheguru ji can be Sati.

Veer, there is nothing wrong in retreating, Kindly end this behas. This behas will end only if you decide one basic thing, ask yourself, then let sangat know

1) do you believe Rehat Maryada says "women are lower than males"?

2) Forget the interpretations you have made of Rehat MAryada, do you personally believe a woman is lower than any male?

3) Out of Love and respect, are you willing to bow to your wife, even if it is not mentioned in Rehat Maryada?

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For past many years, Sikhawareness has been a beacon for freedom of speech, freedom of expression and celebration of different diverse cultures/religion in cyber sikh world. We have no intention of changing that but with that being said, there is clear difference between freedom of speech, freedom of expression and abusing freedom of speech, trolling the forum, deliberately provoking argument from one thread to another, insulting members, other religious figures or attacking demi gods etc etc. We can bear all forms of debates even heated debates but basic civility has to be kept. We hope members ask themselves while writing - are they crossing the line?. Here is what we would like to acheive ideally.

We are all guilty of debating or discussing outside of gursikh principles ((which includes me of course), just wanted to take this chance to post sakhi from Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji updesh to pandits on discussion/debates and what's allowed for Gursikhs.


Or if you would like to see things from western angle:

Just look at western leaders/politicians in real life from two opposite side of spectrums with two polar opposite idealogy debate, how gracefully they debate the issues and still have basic respect for one another.


We have already started a new intiative to ensure, we have put two members- kharku aka- starchpagg47 and jungchumkaur under quality control temporary until their mend their ways following basic civil tone and keeping close eye on other members who are very close to crossing fine line- Maintaing quality of this forum is paramount.

He has three sons one is nihang mehtab Singh, sukha Singh and Joga Singh...

No it's baba jagir Singh from the village bambhoii near Mehta... In the video they got his name wrong...