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When i said 'what the point' i didn't mean to come across as its irrelevant but  sometimes when you talk about direct experiences its really a case of showing off ... you may or may not get mystical experiences form this jaap... like i said it helped in my worldy affairs..it felt like knots being untied, you ever been in a position when a thin thread had a knot init and you try so hard to untie it and get nowhere then someone comes a long and unties it with relative ease, thats how i feel when reflecting on this jaap..i still do this jaap now and again.
I actually felt guilty when doing these jaaps for material gain but when i looked at spiritual people here in uk, most if not all had financial security/stability,something i've never had, and i wondered would they be so spiritual and god orientated if that worldy security was swept away from under their feet..hhmm not sure bro but also contemplating on others, maharaj has loooked after them from the start for them to enjoy his fruits.. its probably best if you start the jaap and if you feel ok about it, share it on here (something i wouldn't do, but each to their own).. be warned you will get a lot of rukaavat especially if you do ardas to complete x amout of jaap in x amount of days for a specific gain/phall..
for jaap itself, when i first started i recited with mouth (loud) over time it became mental to the point i would be doing jaap in head and working and/or doing daily activities at same time...even now sometimes that manter automatically starts in my mind and i go with it and enjoy it.. With jaap, look at your situation and be practical.. its like food, its best eaten when sitting down and in a relaxed mode eating slowly, basically enjoying the food/taste, but if your in a rush you tend to eat fast and sometimes even stand and eat...point being in both scenarios you cater for hunger and are satisfied at the end..things i would suggest is if you got time, do x amount a day sitting down maybe with dhoop/jot and water which you sprinkle around room and drink rest of it.
Have you done this jaap or started it?? don't just do it for the sake of it as you may end up being disappointed, if you have a strong natural desire and 'signs' are saying do it, then put your foot down and get on with it.. 

Giani Baba Inderjit Singh Ji performing katha at the Nirmala Dera in Badoo in the presence of Sadhu Sants from Haridwar and Rikhikesh.

i feel so inferior listening to this...(ego breaker, in its parts)and im soo full of ego and krodh..
 

@JustAnotherSingh your onto something my brother...just wait for the snakes

Sant mahapurshs humility is so natural and simple it leaves you awestruck. 
There was an incident that happened in wolverhampton with sant baba isher singh ji..Baba ji was going to attend a divan at nanksar gurdwara and one individual took it upon himself to print posters saying to not attend the divan as sant baba isher singh is a pakand etc.. While a sevak was driving Baba ji they saw the individual pasting the posters on the wall.. Baba ji asked the sevak to stop driving, baba ji came out went to the individual and said 'please let me help you' the individual was shocked and said these posters are about you.. Baba ji smiles and replies 'meleh kapre ninda toye'...
I cannot validate the authenticity of this story as i heard it in a discussion amongst sangat but two things we can learn from this is the humility of elevated souls and that even if one slanders you, let them as they are wiping off your sins.:)

just to add a personal message..i have utmost respect for jugraj singh as he spoke of topics dear to me personally... he got very emotional on grooming which is a uk issue..but we had no backing from no one...let me tell you "show off" sikhs, when sh!t hits canada (first then usa)..us uk sikh mans will represent in numbers...
 

just to add a personal message..i have utmost respect for jugraj singh as he spoke of topics dear to me personally... he got very emotional on grooming which is a uk issue..but we had no backing from no one...let me tell you "show off" sikhs, when sh!t hits canada (first then usa)..us uk sikh mans will represent in numbers...
 

I agree with you, that's why most of the people who have taken amrit shouldn't have. why? khalsa is meant to be dharamyudhis most of our khalsa have never been in a scrap, they don't know the reality of fighting, being attacked, how to defend yourself, what to do when the situation arises  . So let's be honest, most people don't know how to react in a confrontation or attack, they freeze. What is the point of wearing a kirpan or sword when you don't know how to use it? seems more of a ritual.

you may want to ask jasbir who has narayan/vishu whispering in his ear the ultimate truth..also ask for the lottery numbers..

Interesting thread.
I too have noticed that much of the rehit literature is very male-centric, in that it directly addresses males and males only (but to be fair, so is a lot of pre-rehit Sikh literature, such as Bhai Gurdas Ji da Vaaran) We know that for a good chunk of history at least, a lot of women took kirpan-da-pahul and thus had their own rehit. However, there are references to women taking Khande-da-pahul (which I believe was originally how it was supposed to be), and one wonders if the Rehit literally applied equally to women in every case then.
For example, Mai Bhago wore kachh; but she was an exception. What about other [assumed] Khalsa women, such as those who were the wives of the Chaali Mukte who didn't go into battle and stayed at home? Were they to also wear kachh and full bana? On the other hand, some injunctions obviously applied equally, e.g., kesh (Prem Sumarag also says to give baptized women a kara). 
My hunch is that while a lot of the broad implications are the same (kesh, nitnem routine, kurehits, moral principles, etc) for both genders, there were some differences in the nuances of the matter. This isn't anything too crazy - e.g., bibiyan having private places for ishnaan, Singh vs Kaur surnames, women not having to wear dastaar, and so on. 

WJKK WJKF 
Agree - that Noor Ki Haqq (Light is Truth). Akaal Purakh Ki Joth is what exists within each of the 11 Guru Jees. Which is gender less, formless,infinite and beyond human mind grasp ( as an average human utilizes less than 1 % of there brain).
As a female who had advocated for female rights in a testosterone fueled environment for decades - I feel there is a definite difference between man and woman.  All my life I have tried to the uphold the punjabi tradition qualities of a "boy" as a "girl" in both west and east domains - you know it was exhausting. What I feel I discovered :
- Each gender have their own qualities that are required to form a symbiotic relationship
- Men have larger brain spans than women (fact : I cringed as well when I found out)
- Women are being victimized to compete with men. (I tried this too, and succeeded at an educational and corporate level, however when it came to jit jutsu and boxing - I was always thrashed by a men in sparring).
I believe Guru jee made women with beautiful qualities, of love, tenderness, compassion (greater than men) and are are gifted to men to make them grounded. Without wo men, men would not survive as Asa Di Vaar tells us. Funny thing, women are so strong we can survive without men but vice versa not so. We should be proud as women of the amazing strength and characteristics we have and not try compete with men.
In the Olympics till this day that divides sports on gender based. Same way an army and corporate fields will divide (although we have women specific roles - which will be utilized as and when needed)
Hence the Khalsa Fauj - army was created by Dhan Dhan Guru Gobind Singh Jee.  Where men have been baptized and the Guru Jees where all in the body of a male carrying the joth. This is not implying women have no strength - as chandi, kali ma, where beyound powerful. Satkar given to a Shree Sahib (kirpan) denotes the scale of which guru jee was defining a womens strength.
However, deep down inside my journey I keep feeling the Khalsa Fauj was made for men - purely because of the physical characteristics that waheguru attributed to them Yes, women can too compete with men and I have seen the years of training which women have to go through - yet they cannot still compete with men on many forms of sports.
 
Bhul Chuk Maaf Karna Mere Waheguru
 

The thing with artist's is they never live the reality of which they draw..most paintings are just with strong emphasis on imagination and personal fantasy which they cannot personally manifest/live... so even early paintings,i take with a pinch of salt because it's just an expression..
rather then look at a picture/painting, personally its more advisable to talk to those who have kept to the tradition/rehat of the tenth master from day dot...

One of my favourites.

 

If you've got all the material privileges  and still feel empty, even to the point that you 'loose interest' in sikhi/god etc i personally see it as a good sign a wave which you must ride, if you really want god..from someone who comes through a lot of hardships and now benefiting from fruits of the material world i would defiantly say without doubt i felt closer to god in those bad times, in fact i sometimes feel i want to go back into hard times to feel the thirst for maharaj/god/vaheguru...as long as you get regular meals and have a secure home to rest your head, count this as a big blessing, really big...thats all we need.. nothing else...its your individual khed so you may or may not find another in your shoes....in low times you can really go deep in yourself, so again i reiterate its a blessing, its not always a case of feeling good via dyaan its also a combination of vairaag  from lonliness, down feeling etc..
remember you are not feeling low..so who is??

Its true this forum is not our real reality/identity (maybe for some) so i get the argument for sharing experiences..which is a good thing i suppose..
But anyway do not beat yourself up about this, just carry on, not as if you did ardas for chalisa or anything...even if you did, he knows all, as in.. there's no need for justification to someone who already knows..let it go and move on, maharaj is there always it is the "you" who is stuck..
ive got to thank you, (im not a thank you person, im more 'get on wiv it' person)...as since my last post on this thread ive just been doing this jaap, its soo natural and im very receptive to this manter..this defo comes from previous life jaaps/dyaan/kamai etc.. i knind of felt guilty not doing the usual gurmanter/mool manter jaap as i was to in tune with this manter maybe im not like others who want to dissolve in the one but celebrate akaal purkhs creation like the sargun does aarti of nirgun...its still one..
guilt comes with fear, whats to fear, whos to fear... be fearless...like a yodha...

@Ragmaala wise up bruva...this @HappyDays grand papa is no other than shrooms.

people that believe that our guru's suffered from kaam krodh etc, well simple bounce from their vichaar, no need to prove them wrong, narakh need to be filed as well!!...their vichaar is from their own ego..

Baba Mohinder Partap Singh ji may fit the bill. He is a mastana mahapursh residing at Guru Nanak Ashram in Patiala. I think few people know about him outside of his area. 

"The Theory" which we all know is that the MAIN TOP-LEVEL real Ego is called Ahamkara; which provides identity to our functioning and is required in order to hold and retain our body, our individuality. Obviously this Ego operates on many subtle levels and has many different forms; Pride is the lowest kind of Ego which we do in day-to-day life. Now, again this "Pride" (lowest level of Ego) has many different forms. Back in home (India) there is a kind of proverb along the lines "Jo Aaan khanda, us de wich hume te hovege (Whosoever eats the food will have Pride)"; OR "Jo mitte da banea ha, ao ahankar te karega (Who is made of Earth/Mitti will have Pride)".
Some of us misuse the above mentioned "Theory" to prove that it is okay/natural to have Pride and is not possible to get rid of Pride unless we're at the Brahmgyan level. While some say that it is easy to control Pride. I (see ME, I) personally think that both are wrong because Yes, it is not possible to get rid of TOP-LEVEL-EGO (Ahamkara) unless we're at Brahmgyani level (crossed all the levels) and ready to merge with God. BUT at the same time we do have the capacity (read illusion because of Karma) to control our day-to-day Pride (lower level of Ego).
The main issue arises when the Ego/Ahamkara believes it is the Self.
Sant/Mahatama have mentioned the following techniques to help us with the Ego:
The first and the perfect way is via Gurbani: Waheguru GurMantar Hai Jap Haumai Khoee. Do not identity the Ahamkara with your-self. A good way to cultivate the witnessing of Ahamkara is to be aware of the fact that rising thoughts and emotions are often colored with either attraction or aversion. Instead of saying “I need this. Say It needs this”. Cultivate Nirmata/Humbleness which will wash away the first power (Mal/Filth) of Maya. And best and perfect way to produce Nirmata/Humbleness is do Sewa (Selfless Service) saying that I'm NOT doing, God is making me do it and then Thank Him. I personally find this as the simple but very potent/effective. Apart from the above 3 mentioned ways to control the Ego, there is NO easy way. It's extremely hard (but NOT impossible) to work with Pride. If you're thinking that you could control Ego via practice of silence or intellect or thinking to act this way or that way because that particular way is good or more Spiritual, then you're out of luck as Ego cannot be controlled by the source of the Ego......as in India there is a saying "Dudh de rakhe vaste billi nu nahi bethaeda (You cannot assign cat to protect the bowl of milk....as cat will naturally drink the milk)".....same way Mind (thinking/will-power/intellect) cannot be used to get rid of Pride. Mind itself is the cause of Pride and the source is previous bad karmas.
At last, I remember one Mahapurash has given the following flowchart to attain Salvation within one Birth as follows:
1. Have Nirmata.
2. Brahmachraj (Don't see another man/women)
3. Do not steal and have Santokh.
4. Do not do Nidea/Backbitting.
5. Simran/Meditation of Guru updesh.
6. Have less food, and less sleep.

Although all the Gurbani is Dhur ki Bani but the bani by Bhagar Kabir and Guru Nanak Dev Ji is always simple to read, understand but very effective and powerful to show us the mirror and to make a point. In fact, very bad for ego.

i feel so inferior listening to this...(ego breaker, in its parts)and im soo full of ego and krodh..
 

i feel so inferior listening to this...(ego breaker, in its parts)and im soo full of ego and krodh..
 

@Ragmaala Yeh in that case put your foot down and if things do go abit pear shaped just pm me and there's small practical things that will help control/harness the shakti.. these are things suggested to me by baba joginder singh (raqba) ..saying that it may just be a case of karm accelerating..
Im defo with you on the fast rhythm and flow when doing loud jaap but  i would also do dhyaan recting this manter and it would start fast but then goes really slow..i loved it but now spending time with mool manter which for me seems a bit of a chore sometimes esp with jaap....i actually avoided this thread but now im feeling to go back to the gayatri manter lol..
i genuinely wish you luck with this jaap and hope you get what you desire...
Im not sure at all what needs to be done or if it has specific benefits ie get a job/wife/house etc but its a shakti manter.. I did it as i was getting 'signs' to do this and i did sava lakh in 40 days and started at 3am and kept satogun diet on top of my nitnem (not 5 bani nitnem just my personal one) but i was not working then so had a lot of time on my hands... but after initial jaap i carried on with this manter which i really enjoyed, english language is crap, i say enjoyed but its was more anand. being detached but involved..its weird and hard to explain
i just asked google baba about this manter and got this from yogi bhajan....i agree with the part where you start seeing things before they happen but at same time you do not want to be stuck at this, its like seeing a nice blossom tree and moving on then to stand there admiring it..saying that i feel this happens with all manters, a good friend of mine cannot read gurbani just does dyaan on mool manter and recites this all day and he mentioned such things aswell...
The Eight Facets of God 
Excerpts from a lecture on 9/11/76
This is a sound which anybody and everybody can pick up. These are eight facets of God, eight sides of God: 
Gobinday, Mukanday, Udaaray, Apaaray, Hariang, Kariang, Nirnaamay, Akaamay
Pick up the notes. The brain has the capacity to automatically pick it up. These words existed before any language existed. Just pick up the rhythm and that's all you have to learn. These are called rhythm mantras. Rhythm mantras are meant to pick you up into the ether. This is one mantra in the world which balances the ether and the Earth.
You can sing it anyway. You can sing it driving, sitting, eating, sleeping; it doesn't matter. Whenever you utter it, all facets of God will be right in you. Now, when you will do this, after a while you will start seeing lots of things. You will say something and it will happen; don't worry. Just keep on doing it.
Life is a living experience between the finite and Infinity.
“The Guru Gaitri Mantra of Guru Gobind Singh has the power of the four Vedas, six Puranas and thirty-six Simritis. All these are equal to reciting the Guru Gaitri just once. Traditionally, only a person who has been initiated by a guru is entitled to chant a gaitri. Whosoever shall chant it, the Primal Power, the Adi Shakti, will guard that being.
This mantra is a ‘Shakti’ mantra. Shakti gives one the positive power of God. If you chant this mantra, there shall be no enemy, including one’s own ego, which can overpower you. It is a mantra of deathlessness.” –Yogi Bhajan (7/9/75)
© The Teachings of Yogi Bhajan

When i said 'what the point' i didn't mean to come across as its irrelevant but  sometimes when you talk about direct experiences its really a case of showing off ... you may or may not get mystical experiences form this jaap... like i said it helped in my worldy affairs..it felt like knots being untied, you ever been in a position when a thin thread had a knot init and you try so hard to untie it and get nowhere then someone comes a long and unties it with relative ease, thats how i feel when reflecting on this jaap..i still do this jaap now and again.
I actually felt guilty when doing these jaaps for material gain but when i looked at spiritual people here in uk, most if not all had financial security/stability,something i've never had, and i wondered would they be so spiritual and god orientated if that worldy security was swept away from under their feet..hhmm not sure bro but also contemplating on others, maharaj has loooked after them from the start for them to enjoy his fruits.. its probably best if you start the jaap and if you feel ok about it, share it on here (something i wouldn't do, but each to their own).. be warned you will get a lot of rukaavat especially if you do ardas to complete x amout of jaap in x amount of days for a specific gain/phall..
for jaap itself, when i first started i recited with mouth (loud) over time it became mental to the point i would be doing jaap in head and working and/or doing daily activities at same time...even now sometimes that manter automatically starts in my mind and i go with it and enjoy it.. With jaap, look at your situation and be practical.. its like food, its best eaten when sitting down and in a relaxed mode eating slowly, basically enjoying the food/taste, but if your in a rush you tend to eat fast and sometimes even stand and eat...point being in both scenarios you cater for hunger and are satisfied at the end..things i would suggest is if you got time, do x amount a day sitting down maybe with dhoop/jot and water which you sprinkle around room and drink rest of it.
Have you done this jaap or started it?? don't just do it for the sake of it as you may end up being disappointed, if you have a strong natural desire and 'signs' are saying do it, then put your foot down and get on with it..