Rock

I cannot begin to imagine how pleasant the scene would be when Guru Ji were singing Gurbani and Bhai Mardana Ji were playing rabab accompanied by sweet chatter of birds in dawn with fragrance of flowers in the morning breeze.

I cannot begin to imagine how pleasant the scene would be when Guru Ji were singing Gurbani and Bhai Mardana Ji were playing rabab accompanied by sweet chatter of birds in dawn with fragrance of flowers in the morning breeze.

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It sounds nice.  Although the above is not a rabab but on a side there is something magical about the sound of Rabab or 1or 2 stringed instruments.
The following video lifts your spirits up. Very Beautiful!
 

I think a REALLY good test is to picture a random card from a pack of cards on the way to meeting the sant; but make sure you pray that the sant will name the card when you first meet them.
If they do, unprompted, they was antarjami and are not bogus.  

On Veneration of a Saint

ਐਸਾ ਜੋਗੀ ਵਡਭਾਗੀ ਭੇਟੈ ਮਾਇਆ ਕੇ ਬੰਧਨ ਕਾਟੈ ॥
ਸੇਵਾ ਪੂਜ ਕਰਉ ਤਿਸੁ ਮੂਰਤਿ ਕੀ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਤਿਸੁ ਪਗ ਚਾਟੈ ॥੫॥੧੧॥੧੩੨॥
aisa yogi vadbhagi bhetai, maya ke bhandhan katai.
seva pooj karo tis murti ki, nanak tis pag chatai.

Such a yogi, who cuts desires of material and worldly desires, is found by great fortune.
Serve and worship the murti, idol, of such a yogi, Guru Arjun says I lick his feet.

Check out this thread 
 

Check out this thread 
 

For the record, I'm pure vegetarian......and I fail to see where did I say it's okay to kill if you want? Stop putting words in my mouth.
What I meant was: Both vegetarian and non-vegetarian involves the killing but being vegetarian involves lot less karmic burden as compared to non-vegetarian. It implies that the debate on This-vs-That is useless mind's habit where we forgot that the real thing is be out of karmic cycle by putting the dhayan/concentration on that which will lift us Spiritually. Concentrating on Vegi as well as Non-Vegi would NOT make you or me Spiritually advanced. e.g If you're pure-vegetarian but constantly debates about the benefits of being vegetarians (non-killers), then your mind is still concentrating on vegi-nonvegi.
Don't make This-vs-That your profession. Be wise to see beyond. And again, I'm a vegetarian and thinks that being vegetarian gives me somewhat more edge on the thoughts of the mind; because after-all: we are what we eat.

Yeah there was no way she could fake her facial expressions. I think its quite genuine.

@N30 S!NGH  It takes me back to audio of suleman. Many people did not believe it. I think there is a reason we come across such videos. Its a jolt to get back on our spirituality.

@N30 S!NGH  It takes me back to audio of suleman. Many people did not believe it. I think there is a reason we come across such videos. Its a jolt to get back on our spirituality.

Yeah there was no way she could fake her facial expressions. I think its quite genuine.

Nand Singh
Garja Singh etc
Deva Singh
Attar Singh
Karam Singh
Ram Singh
Kapur Singh
Gurbakhsh Singh
Chola Singh
Sajjan Singh

Here you're again forgetting the reality. Paapiman is right that all foods (veg or non-veg) means you're killing something, even a grain of wheat does have a germ........the air we breathe also contains lot of microorganism which we kill after we breathe. So, that the way this damn universe works. It is just a matter of choosing which involves least amount of karmic burden.
Otherwise, this universe's karmic cycle (matrix) is so vast, so complex, so strong that without the Kirpa/Grace it's impossible to break. e.g Our body does have millions of different kind of micro-organisms which survive only till we're alive and they are dead with our death. So, we've to give lekha/hesab-ketab (consequences for our deeds) because we forced the microorganism to die as we left our body (even though we've no control over our death). This is the bhav sagar/Matrix which we have to cross. In order to survive, we have to do karma.

Bro, whats your take on above katha you posted. I listened to  it.  I dont think Krishna was physically celibate in a way like some Sikh Gursikhs & Saints were. Instead he was celibate in way that even while doing bhog he was not attached to bhog. So physically he did have bhog with 16,000 Gopis but did not do Bhog..confusing eh...just like Durbasha Rishi ate plates of food but still was breath-eater because somehow he was not attached to food. Makes sense ?   Its like Guru Gobind Singh Ji say that Nirankar is doing bhog through bhogis...so when we are doing bhog its actually Nirnakar doing bhog...its confusing.

You are mixing two Things here. The Sikh Sangat consists of a plurality of people. In Gurbani and the vaars we hear about Saadhs, Sants, Vivekis, Gianis, Bhagats etc. These are not different names for the same thing as is commonly understood. In fact they are entirely different people having different natures and methods of reaching the divine. Each of their ways is complete.  A bhagat is one that is engaged in loving worship of the divine through various Sarguna practices - often through a personal relationship. One of these can be to show veneration and love for a man of God because they see them as gateways to God. By serving a man of God they believe they are serving God. A Giani is one who contemplates the divine through meditative practices and also "studies" the philosophy of life and soul - a search through both scriptural and spiritual methods.
Often you will see that those people who venerate saints are of the bhagti nature - simple minded, peacefull and dont bother to study the higher philosophies.. This is an accepted method... You are using an argumentation/Outlook of the Giani by discussing the futility of the bhakti actions... I hope that makes sense. Its a bit difficult to explain. But in generel you can't judge the actions of a bhagat by using the Outlook of a Viveki/Giani.  And when I say giani i dont mean the local Gurdwara granthi lol.
in many cases however, people go to the extreme where veneration becomes worship.

Nand Singh
Garja Singh etc
Deva Singh
Attar Singh
Karam Singh
Ram Singh
Kapur Singh
Gurbakhsh Singh
Chola Singh
Sajjan Singh

Guest jee - There are two Gurbanis named as Sri Krishan Avtar jee and Sri Ram Avtar jee (both part of Sri Chaubis Avtar Sahib jee) in Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee, which talk about the exploits of these great demi-Gods.
Anyways, please start a new topic, if you want to discuss this in details.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Jai Baba He Man!

What's the reason for slandering the Yogi ?  Did he claim to be a sant?
Satkiran, you don't have to slander to prove that you are white and at the same time NOT affiliated with 3HO.   You can learn tons of stuff from Yogis talks, lectures and videos. He had plenty of gyan to give but it's up to you if want to go low enough to pick the grains of sugar from the sand or stay in the elephant-mind
 

Waheguru ji
It's nice to see Rock's genuine efforts in order to help answer other's questions. 
I haven't been on here a while because of my own battles with my bhakti and panj chor
 
I'm not posting to poke at you or anything but I just wanted to mention about the couple of spiritual points you mentioned above :)
Firstly, the aura's are not just about seeing bright white. There's a couple of us on here that have been able to experience them and they are not just about what you see!  Also, not everyone on high avastha can pick up the dristi aspect but will be able to "feel" and "sense" them. They shouldn't be confused with just a "visionary" of some sort and the brightness witnessed is never blinding to the eye (as if to make you look away), but you are either able to hold a connection with it or you completely switch off and don't see anything!! ..........(I know it's difficult to explain) .
 
As for Rom Rom, I can explain and answer questions in some detail from my own experiences about this and I also explained how to practice the simran technique that can help to pave the way for spontaneous rom rom to become pargat.. You can see this and some later experiences on the meditation thread below

BTW. I'm unable to freely discuss too much detail about rom rom and/or  some other stuff on the open forum because of some previous plagiarism, but I'm more than happy to share with members on pm.

I can answer your questions but it will going off topic, so sorry.
 
It just makes sense. Chandi, the goddess of war ( remember she is neither hindu nor sikhm she is the Adi Shakti of Akal Purakh with a specific purpose of winning wars), & the venerated shashtars "Peer" are the only things that can be used to instill courage & bravery amongst Sikh warriors of those times.
So if a Sikh Bodybuilder hangs a poster of Arnold or some other sportsperson to get inspired, will you also accuse him of worshipping Arnold & following his cult lol ?

Sant Giani Mohan Singh Ji Bhindrawalae are something special, I got their darshan once and it was something different to all other sadhus

A series of articles written by Yuktanand Singh (originally posted on Sikhnet) will be posted on this important topic.

Summary of Article (will be posted below in installments)
Section I

An introduction to why meeting a Gurmukh is so important and what is the significance of Sat Sangat. In Gurbani, Sangat is listed as essential to living normal life as a human. Sat Sangat is just as important as reading Gurbani, because it transforms our heart so that we can truly understand the message of Gurbani.

Is the Sangat working for us in this sense? If not, why not? Do we understand what Sat Sangat means? Does a crowd of people like us represent Sat Sangat? Does the company of others just like us, adequately fulfill all the conditions of being in the Sadh Sangat? In other words, what is the role of a Sadh or a Sant in Sikh Panth?

Section II

The meaning of Sadh or Sant: A Sikh Saint or Sant is someone who has achieved spiritual perfection and mastery over the personal self through Guru’s mercy. A Sant is an extremely rare soul. But this should not discourage us, confuse us, or cloud our understanding that Sant is the model of a perfect Sikh, the person that Gurbani urges us to become. A Sant is someone who is devoted only to God and always lives in God’s presence.

In an apparent effort to save us from the charlatans, our scholars shroud and suppress our need to adore perfect Gursikhs as our role models, by distorting the meaning in Gurbani. However, the institution of Sangat, the Panj Piyare, and the rules of the Khalsa Panth, eliminate all danger from impostors.

Those who claim to be a Guru or a Sant, leading the Sikhs away from mainstream Panth, are the ones we need to worry about. Additionally, we must avoid those teachers who disregard the Rehit prescribed by the tenth Master. Today’s Sikh Sant is a Gursikh who keeps the Rehit of Khalsa, and someone who would not lead people into joining a ‘Jatha’ or a ‘Dera’ and thus, would not engage in fragmentation of the mainstream Sangat.

Section III

How is a Sant produced? We stay oblivious towards the essence, being busy all our life mistaking the shell for the kernel. Except for that rare individual called Sant, we all vacillate, and thus, we remain imperfect and keep falling off the path. Those rare individuals who seek the kernel, the essence, and through Guru’s mercy, never turn their attention away from it, become perfect and they are known as a Sant. Being in dust from the feet of Sat Sangat, we can learn how to maintain a balance on this path.

Judging by the numerous references to Sant it should be obvious to us that an insight into its meaning, and more importantly, its application is absolutely vital to our understanding of Gurmat and to succeed as a Sikh. The terms, Sikh, Gursikh, Brahmgyani, Gurmukh, Jan or HariJan, Mahapurush, Sadh, and Sant, are the names given to Sikhs at various spiritual stages. The Sant is a sacred and supreme state recognized within the Panth.

Section IV

How do we find a Sant? Since the establishment of Sat Sangat, we no longer wander in search of such an individual and we no longer follow someone who claims to be a Sant. Sadh Sangat is the place to be. Nevertheless, we must have a burning desire to be uplifted through company of such Gursikhs.

Before we can solve our internal problems, we need to remedy our lack of faith in the Panth, its garden, Sat Sangat, and its fruit, the Sant. We may sing and read Gurbani all our life, but without faith, our inner progress remains stunted.

We must help each other in the Sangat by being absorbed in Gurbani with a sincere desire to be uplifted by the Sangat. Sadh Sangat or company of perfect Sikhs is essential. Just as, one lamp lights another. But there is no need to worship such Sikhs. The mere sight of a Sant is uplifting. But first, we need that burning desire to see them. Only then, can we benefit from their company or recognize them.

Section V

If we continue to live as if this goal is unreachable and disregard seeking company of such Sikhs, then, either Gurbani has failed us or we have failed Gurbani. Our faith in Gurbani is valid only if we have a yearning and a hope to meet a perfect Gursikh, sometime soon, within our lifetime. Guru Ji promises that there is always a Sant living somewhere in this world.

Sant is our role model, a testimony to the ultimate triumph of the Guru. Coming to Sangat with a desire to see such a Gursikh is the road towards spiritual awakening. The Shabads regarding the qualities of Sant, as one example given, should be studied carefully.

Guru Nanak introduced a unique method to liberate us en masse: Sat Sangat generated with Gurbani, augmented with music and singing from the heart. Kirtan of GurShabd or God’s Word, in Sadh Sangat can gradually, or instantly, convert ordinary masses into Saints. However, a multitude joined for singing Gurbani, but lacking faith in the outcome of Sangat, succeeds in creating only, a multitude singing Gurbani. Let us never confuse the two as the same.

Section VI

The formula: “Meditate upon the formless God, connect with the Shabad, and seek the glorious sight of the Khalsa” needs to be followed thoroughly, with full faith and conviction. A Sant in the Sikh Panth today would keep the Rehit prescribed by the tenth Master, would dislike being called a Sant or a Guru, and would never lead the Sikhs away from mainstream Sangat into some eccentric group.

These are some important qualities of a perfect Gursikh. Sangat of Guru Khalsa or such perfect Sikhs, and submitting to the Panj Piyare is the foundation of Sikh Panth. Spiritual words of Sri Naranjan Singh Ji on this subject are recorded in this section.

Saints are the only humans truly alive in this world. The rest of us make up the bulk of Sikh Panth. Their company enlivens us. Sant is the lifeblood on Panth. God hides Himself in a Sant’s heart. Guru Ji says, “The sole purpose of a Sant coming into this world is that we remember Naam in their company.”

End of summary
-from http://khojee.wordpress.com/2008/10/30/vic...-dharm-summary/

I'll post one per day until the end of the article series.