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You should try and do saas saas with whispering the gurmantar and then go into silent and mental.
Some people can do it straight away and some can't... we all have to play around and see what works.
I know what you mean about not making noise and waking house up because I also like to keep it 'low key' and also helps me in keeping steady to get that absolute stillness.

thats great ji..

try to plant a definate thought of 'intention' to wake up for Amrit Vela just before sleep...i find if i have any doubts about waking up before i go to sleep, i will end up failing to get up

for example some night i lie in bed and my mind is already making excuses..."oh its a little late now..i need to be fresh for work...maybe its better to miss Amrit Vela...no, i have to wake up.....but i'll feel tired...we'll see" this indicision sticks on you...and when the alarm clock goes off, the excuses are the first things to go through your head, and before you know it...you back to sleep.

have that intention...psyic yourself up you will never regret it once you start doing it regularly..will change your life forever!

God Bless Ji

i disconnected from the physical eyes. i think its the most natural way to do so. just keeping attention awareness there without actually moving the eyes.

A question popped up in my mind. Does anyone feel that sometimes your attention is most focused on the left side of the whole body body,legs to head, when sitting down, something pulling in you in a diagonal left direction instead of staying upright. thanks.

Simple explanation.

Sahib Jee,
meditation is the door which allows one´s soul consciousness, to trespass from the physical world into the spiritual world. There are quite a few things which are common to mankind as well as these highly spiritual beings, gurmukhs, sant janas, and as well as our very Guru Sahibans.

Meditation is one of them, it is not exclusive for any social or geographical status.

In the very begining, before Shabad manifested itself as Wahiguru or Satnam, that very Shabd was absorbed in itself in a meditative state.

The difference between us and these superior and pure spiritual beings is, that while we are full of rust of karmas and sanskaras, they are spotless and inmaculate, so naturally while we can not even think of meditating or it is as hard as like chewing iron; but for them, it just takes them to close their eyes, and wow, they are there...so quick, it is instataneous.

They are totally filled with Naam, their whole being, their rom rom, reverbeartes with Naam, nay, they are the embodiment of Naam.....

Waaaaheguruuuuuu.

Just because sikh community loosing its sikh dharma spiritual hertiage does not mean sikh spiritual hertiage does not exist...Sikh history is filled with glorious examples of meditation, events of bedeh mukht (turiya atith- non transcedental sehaj state) avastha by gursikhs and our guru's.

For example, here are some of many examples:

Sri Guru Nanak dev ji meditating on itself-effortless meditation before in river where he disappeared.
Sri Guru Arjan dev ji in sahaj sun smadhi- bedah mukh avastha while he was being matyr- put on iron hot place
Sri Guru Tegh Bahudar Ji went in deep meditation for 10-20 years in bairaag.
Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj previous incarnation meditation as- dusth daman listed in his autobiography- bachitar natak, gone in non transcedental meditation when he uttered- tuhi tuhi 16,000 times in akaal ustat and cut it short later on.

Baba Deep Singh ji fighting with his head off, bhai taru singh, bhai mani singh ji also going through extreme torture yet smiling in samaj sun smadhi- bedah mukh avastha as they were merged in their atma.

I have heard that God is always meditating upon Himself.

If you are talking about outer physical bodies of Guru Ji, they showed us the way by meditating, singing Gurbani Kirtan, singing praises of Nirankar, doing sewa, sitting on tatti tawi etcetc. They practiced what they taught us.

Forget about them being meditating, They are whom we meditate upon.

I have heard that God is always meditating upon Himself.

If you are talking about outer physical bodies of Guru Ji, they showed us the way by meditating, singing Gurbani Kirtan, singing praises of Nirankar, doing sewa, sitting on tatti tawi etcetc. They practiced what they taught us.

Forget about them being meditating, They are whom we meditate upon.

baba ji hun te kuch hor sunan nu jee nahi karda. from now on i have decided to listen to Karak Brahmgyani Sant Baba Ishar Singh Ji Nanaksar wale or Sant Ishar Singh Ji Rara Sahib wale or read jeevan of Sant Baba Nand Singh Ji.

hor te chaare paase hanera hi dikhda or just go straight to Dhan Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji maharaj. bas chit udas ho gya hun.

Was listening to Giani/Bhai Paramjit Singh Ji Khalsa (Anandpur Sahib Wale) live on SikhChannel last night and must say I was really impressed with this guy's katha. His topic was naam simran. I will record it and put it up because it was a very inspiring Katha. This guy is very outspoken and was not afraid to tell the sangat off on numerous occasions.

There was one point he made which really caught my attention when he was asking the sangat to jap. Someone sitting in the sangat decided to accelerate their jaap and became engrossed in their own mast like you see on some occasions. Bhai Sahib stopped the jaap and made a very important point. He said not to jap so fast like that because your surti will not be able to latch on and keep up. He said once someone else was doing the jaap in this fashion so he asked him what stage he had achieved in the time he had been doing sirman. The person replied he hadn't achieved anything to date. Bhai Sahib gave the analogy of peddling on bike very fast but the chain is broken so in fact your not going anywhere. He said its the same with simran when done in that fashion. Your japping so fast that your speech has gone off in its own direction and your mind/surti was not focused and was left behind to do it's own thing. That is why nothing is being achieved.

Key point : Keep the simran slow so that the surti can hear each recitation clearly and stay latched on for the ride.

I thought about this issue, if she feels that she is been sexually molested..go to the cops, both parties will be scrutinized or quizzed based on the evidence presented. Since she bought it up and victimized, she shouldn't have any problem following law and legal means going to cops...if she does not she loses crediblity or merit of her case. This might be case of entrapement- read charitar as others have already suggested.

I am not doubting gyani or kathavachik cannot slip anyone can slip before bhramgyan, maya is very powerful even hardcore tapasavi big big rishi muniya slipped infront of maya and learned from their mistakes, self reflection and moved on. Anything and everything is possible.

Another random thought: after a long while I read Sukhmani Sahib Ji at night before going to sleep, it brought a sense of coolness when I woke up and the usual thoughts were not present. interesting effect.

after my meditation i cannot go to sleep, if i exert myself focusing in between the eyebrows.

but if i am lying down and just focusing on breath or saying waheguru its no problem.

i only lose sleep when i bring my attention/awareness to that point or strain my eyes. so i have stopped doing it.

Nothing goes to waste, all the efforst you make wil ensure in your next life that you have everything you need, the corretc life experiences, the family, environment to succeed further..

But, you are alive now, in human birth...dodn't even think about your next life...do your ardaas that you want to reach your destaination in this life..

your Simran/Mediation will make your aura-life force shine bright White as your past karmas are slowly cleaned up in your subtle body...even though you may not see all this, it is happening...and maybe with Guru Ji's grace you will actually see this once day through your spiritual senses...

God Bless Ji

Just a little story involving me and baba ji.
I met baba ji this year at bhucho and when I went to see baba ji I was really sick. I was coughing and sneezing everywhere and my. Ise was running. I met baba ji after he did his rehras sahib in front of the Sangat in the divan hall. My masar was introducing me to him and all of a sudden baba ji grabbed my arm. I was startled and surprised why he did that. He then walked and talked with me and my masar and I started to feel different. Remember I was saying I was sick? Well I was completely not sick at all after he grabbed my arm!! I was completely blown away! I did not tell anybody till the next day. He made me not sick!!! I was blown away at the shakti he did on me!
Yea thats my story.

when i started to take Simran seriously about 2.5 years ago, i first began doing simran at a Gurdwara's evening 1 Hour Simran session everyday after work...this was fantastic and where i first started going spiritually within...

i would also do simran lying in bed before sleep...

This was all fantastic and i still do this from time to time...

BUT, when i started Amrit Vela that is when things really 'began' on a deeper level...

i do not not why...it could be because there are less distractions from the external...darkness, no sounds, and dyan could be set on Gurmanter a ot easier...the atmosphere also feels different...the world is asleep. I could open up during my ardaas a lot easier...it almost feels like a one-to-one with Waheguru..

Mentally i could shut off from the world, knowing i would not get disturbed...the phone wouldn't ring, the wife wouldnt need a hand with anything..no responsibilities at that time...i could literally let go mentally and call out to God...surrender

Lets discuss more about amritvela, your struggles, experiences, failures, successes, motivations, inspirations, your understanding of amritvela, how do different time zones on earth relate to amritvela in Dargah

Hoping to see some useful inspirational constructive discussions .

I know how you feel bro. I have been in a state of shock too. I dont think I will get over it. I have not shown it to my family, and dont plan to do so. Because I dont want them to go through the same feelings.

I dont know him personally but just listening to his katha over the past 10 years I had developed great respect for him. I didnt put him on a pedestal or worship him but still ...

I didnt even do my nitnem for 1-2 days, lost interest in Bhagti for a day, but had to bring myself up again. If such great leaders can get entangled in such things what chance do I stand ? I can never get there.

I mean we should def. focus on the positives but when one person reaches such a responsible position , just his name being mentioned in something can cause ripples i mind.

Anyways, as Neo mentioned, over all it truly is His Khel , we are not even an atom in this universe.

Only with Guru's grace can one cross this bhavsagar.

Dhan are the Mahapurakhs who destroyed these 5 thieves within them and in those who came in touch with them.!!!

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i have been quite disturbed since hearing this video, inside i m hoping tht this turns out to be false.

the shabad of kabir ji comes to mind when he says that the boat is still in the ocean who knows what will happen next.

this is ghor kalyug today, gone are the days when there were great mahapurakhs.

i have been quite disturbed since hearing this video, inside i m hoping tht this turns out to be false.

the shabad of kabir ji comes to mind when he says that the boat is still in the ocean who knows what will happen next.

this is ghor kalyug today, gone are the days when there were great mahapurakhs.

Regarding Death.

For me death is scary, because first of all I am scared of getting beaten by Jamdoots. Even though I am amritdhari, I have made great mistakes.

Secondly, I dont know where will I end up after death. Either an insect or a human body again ? Even if I get a human body, will I be born in a Gursikh Family ? And then going through the same struggles once again. It has taken me 27 years to realize what is purpose of human body, dont know If I will have the same awareness in next birth.

So all these uncertain questions regarding the quest for soul scares me. Plus the jamdoot kutapa too.

with Guru Ji's grace i have experienced this Loud Bell sound, and it literally took me away...
I'm not sure there is any additional exercise here....i was only doing Waheguru Simran during Amrit Vela...and the first time i heard the Bell was when i went back to bed after my Simran to get a couple of extra hours sleep...so i wasn't doing anything in particular or even listening out for sounds

So then what could it be other than Grace...all is Waheguru. Other people may be able to induce the same experience through effort or method, but me personally i havent...i also found that it literally whisked me away...i didnt have much choice in the matter
i am finding more and more, that at some point on this journey, you just have to surrender more and more, and the more your surrender, the more unravels..

One thing good about all this being discussed is , we are maturely put our views across . Savinderpalsingh veer ji and Satkirinkaur ji I want to thank you from my heart . We had debate maintaining a human approach. We might disagree on certain things however in the end we are all students of the same Aad Guru Siri Akaal Purakh ji ..and our Guardian Gurus the 10 Guru Sahibaan whose knowledge is encrypted in Siri Guru Granth Sahib ji , Siri Guru Dasam Granth Sahib ji and Siri Guru Sarabloh Granth Sahib ji Maharaaj .


Hey Akaal Purakh ji Sadaa Sahaai Daatar Jeeyo ..Iss Sangat 'ch Prem Sadbhaavna baanye rakkhna ji ..

And just to re-emphasize once again, physical purity is just one of the many angs of the whole deal/ Bhagti.
It is necessary but not everything on its own. If one doesn't have a mental rehit, it is useless.
If he just focuses on the outer aspect, then it is just a cause of haumai/ego and obstruction in one's path.

When doing seva of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji,utmost suchamta should always be kept. Both physical and mental.