dalsingh101

Maybe to a tosser like you, the systematic abuse and degradation of a vulnerable people is not an important issue.

However, anyone with an ounce of humanity would see it differently.

Was that really necessary? Someone posts a story about a very important issue, and you flip out?

I know, the west has a tendency to 'commodify' spirituality and turn it deviant anyway. Like using it for heightened sexual ecstasy, or as some counter-balance to the ruthless, stress laden corporate life. They've even started to use it to try and alleviate exam stress in teenagers.

I watched Ip Man I and II recently and one point made there (from the Chinese to Japanese in the movie) about a spirit of benevolence permeating Chinese martial arts (itself attributed to Confucianism), which was missing from the then imperialistic Japanese strikes home.

Thats true but many meditation western new age retreats out there is there to show magic of altered state of consciouness*..so mentally unstable will do just fine to see another magic show reality it probably helps them their mental state which is good news, one step at a time.

Real deal-direct teaching is quite boring for lot of people as its nothing to do with expereince or magic show but rather to do with indentity shift of experiencer, more focus is on actual source-JOT saroop which is cognizing the whole expereince- backward step, prior stateless state than forward-

* nothing wrong with altered state of consciousness as long its mentioned its not the real thing so that people don't end up getting fixated on it.

Interesting.

I have often heard one teacher say learn to do it properly yourself first and make it, then worry about teaching others. If you don't know what your doing yourself and start guiding others it becomes a case of the blind leading the blind. If the other person encounters some issues which you don't know how to overcome and it affects their mental stability then you will be responsible.

I can now understand what they meant.

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Modern day Sikhi: 1. Have very abhramic version/judeo-christian interpertation of Vahiguru/Satguru in Sikhism, sikh retaining its individuality rather than die in shabad. 2. Use external rehits like commandments, follow it as commandments as opposed to look at it seamless process part of body/ transcending it (no longer attached-detached yet engaged) , follow first level intial stage sikhi as their end all or be all turning into dogma- bringing complacency in one self/hindrance to drive to explore higher consciousness/reality in Sikhi. 3. Use nitneem/amritvela as defense mechanism tool for egoic conditioned mind of fullfiling it as sense of duty as opposed to doing nitneem at amritvela in meditation in deeply resonating experience/self reflection/introspection- deeply diving in nitneem- deep resonating discourses from japji, jaap, svaie, chauapi, anand sahib , abiding in remembrance of deep resonance from nitneem through out the whole day. Whole point of nitneem is 24/7 if nitneem one has recited at amritvela does not resonate deeply with you throughout the whole day then nothing wrong with nitneem or amritvela principles but everything wrong with one dogmatic mindset. ਸਭ ਕਰਮ ਫੋਕਟ ਜਾਨ ॥ ਸਭ ਧਰਮ ਨਿਹਫਲ ਮਾਨ ॥सभ करम फोकट जान ॥ सभ धरम निहफल मान ॥Know all the Karmas (actions) as useless, consider all the religious paths of no value. ਬਿਨ ਏਕ ਨਾਮ ਅਧਾਰ ॥ ਸਭ ਕਰਮ ਭਰਮ ਬਿਚਾਰ ॥੨੦॥੫੦॥बिन एक नाम अधार ॥ सभ करम भरम बिचार ॥२०॥५०॥Without the prop of the only Name of the Lord, all the Karmas be considered as illusion.20.50. 4. Provide literal interpretation of Gurbani, confine gurbani to vikayaran only or taking literal explanation without any contextualization, looking at various aspects of divine (Sargun-nirgun) interpertation of Gurbani. 5. Devotional yet very superfical singing, reciting/acting of advait(non dual) message of gurbani in very dualistic action. Old traditional Gurmat: 1. Satguru/Vahiguru is one and same, but changes it role/perceived it as- Sargun-SGGS/shabad dhun, Ultimately Nirgun-Shabad gyan-pure awareness/eternal gyan knowledge based on individual sikhs spiritual development/consciousness evolution, its very intimate one on one relationship with Vahiguru as opposed to abstract/conceptual/confined philosophy out there in sky separate from individual experience. Only dissolution of egoic self or die before you psychically die do can provide realization of atam anand/ nij ghar in Sikhi. 2, 3. Do not see rehat as commandements of soul but rather commandments of body which is temporal- five elements, do not reject it but keep it as seamless as possible (engaged yet detached), engaged because its part of body but de-attached because sikh identifies with pure consciousness eternal non divided spirit/ soul(atma) is eternal and above from form and does not have any external disciplines. Rejecting rehat would be rejecting one's body care. 4. Acknowledge all interpretation of gurbani- literal, bhav(purpose of shabad), uthanka(historical), antriv(deep). However, ultimately accepts one own deeper experience with gurbani, experience gurbani oneself in meditation/quietness throws an question in form of self enquiry receives answer/interpretation of gurbani directly from dhur/divine via divine meditation insight (anubhav parkash- intuitive direct knowledge-gyan khand gyan parchand-japji sahib), which is always unfolding itself into more deeper infinite ocean of divine gurbani knowledge so experience with gurbani is limitless. 5. Abide/act in non dualistic (Advait Gurmat) teaching itself/dya-compassion in form of daily meditation/sadhana so experience of non duality shabad for eg- akaal ustat can be directly experienced rather than mere singing, boxing into concepts or idea rather than conception- in action.

The overemphasis of external rehat is surely stunting not only Sikhis growth but also our inner growth. The same shackles of mala, janeu, mullahs beard, prayer mat that the Gurus broke to emphasise on the inner are being repeated in our dharam in the name of Kakkars. No one is denying their importance, but without inner sidak they are of no use.

In the last 100 years we have become so extremist (in the wrong way) that we shun Sehajdharis, while historically we've always had the Khalsas and Sahejdharis. We are rewriting history and renaming people who might seem to be Sahejdhari (like Bhai Kanhaiya).

From my experiences and observations both on a macro and micro level, I've seen a lot of faults within the community along with virtues.

These are the faults that I find most notable:

-the fact that most of us don't fully understand our own religion
-we're severely intolerant of our own people yet kiss up to the Western lifestyle
- we don't educate our own offspring about Sikhi or strengthen it, due to the fact that most Panjabis know only 2% of Sikhi and haven't educated themselves about it
- "Orthodoxy" is either frowned upon or some a$$hole takes things too far
-We betray our own kind and are easy sell outs
- We try to Adapt to the western way of thought and life and try to understand our faith through those contexts and use them as our parameters in morality, ethics, and religion.
-extreme Hypocrisy
-Not uniting, even when we're in the west
-Selfishness
-preaching a concept and then contradicting it in actions and practice.

These problems are in almost all communities, but these are really prevalent amongst us.

Just finished this now.

Our community neglects this... They say what's the point if getting a nice body... The nice body won't help you in a fight so learn Gatka instead... Firstly gurus all exercised and kept fit.. Secondly Gatka is total crap...

Eat low carb diet.

Exercise using body as weight, as well as some weights. Cardio.

Meditation to relieve stress and rest mind.

I also try and exercise my mind by learning new stuff regularly (maths and science).

Eat low carb diet.

Exercise using body as weight, as well as some weights. Cardio.

Meditation to relieve stress and rest mind.

I also try and exercise my mind by learning new stuff regularly (maths and science).

Mega lol. But nature is in constant state of evolution if community does not evolve, nature will make them

Dudes gonna die soon with either cirrhosis, pancreatitis or kidney or heart failure.
its kinda painful to watch..

I am glad Guru Ji strictly kept us away from all these toxic substances...waheguru..

Caan bakray peen sharabaan....

Doabans are bigger fudus than Patiala lok....lol

There should be martial art classes for young vulnerable in punjab..If shastar vidya classes doesnt cut it, bring karate, kung fu, twaekndo south indian martial art something, even peper/bear spray will do at this point by looking at rapes in india/punjab.. Again poor people will be exploited by fascist people who are in power and control.

This drum is something else. You have to listen to it with bassy headphones or speakers or you wont get it.

I would love to hear Jaap Sahib done using it!

The other thing people have to face up to is the plain reality that right now, in our panth we have 'jungle rule', where the physically strong dominate over weaker sections of the community.

To me that should give Singhs even more motivation to train and try and be physically prepared mentally and psychologically. These 'panthic police' aren't going anywhere anytime soon. And this means that they will only really behave if they are on the receiving end of what they dish out. Just crying about them wont cut it.

~~Deep Gnosis behind Mahavak in Gurbani~   Source: Taken from commentary of japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale     We all heard about term 'mahavaak' during katha discourses of gurbani in sikh tradition many times. But ever wondered deep gnosis meaning behind the term mahavaak? This small write up is invitation for sikhs (spiritual seekers/learner) to explore deep meanings of mahavak in gurbani so gnosis of mahavak in gurbani be understood and contemplated upon and applied in sikh spiritual quest.   In traditional gurmat, mahavaak in gurbani in form of verse, term, mantra or couplet within gurbani means - 'direct knowledge about unity between soul and supreme soul-vahiguru'.   Satguru has given apar kirpa(grace) to whole humanity by providing such direct knowledge about unity between soul and supreme soul which meant to be contemplated by seeker who wishes to know truth or their real self..   Sant gyani gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale writes in japji sahib teek (pdf page-510) to reiterate importance of gurbani revelation and mahavaks-direct knowledge of unity of soul and supreme soul-vahiguru.   Whilst vedas have four main mahavak (direct knowledge of unity between soul and supreme soul). Revelation of gurbani/Gurbani provides countless mahavaks. Sant ji provides examples from gurbani.   1. Satguru nanak dev ji gave updesh to advance seeker/learner(sikh). Here satguru gives direct knowledge of unity between soul and supreme soul in this mahavak- Tu sada salamat nirankar. Satguru repeats this mahavak four times in Panch parvan, Asankh jaap, Asankh Morakh, Asankh Nav couplets in japji sahib.   Commentary of tu sada salamat nirankar(japji sahib teek pdf page- 483):   Question was asked by spiritual seeker (sikh) to satguru nanak dev ji what is my saroop? or my identity? Satguru nanak dev ji responds:   Tu (Individual real self-soul) Sada Salamat (Supreme soul-Vahiguroo)   Nirankar: Both are nirankar.   2. Nirgun sargun apaie Soi (Ang- 129)   3. Nirgun Aaap Sargun Bhi Ohi (Ang- 297)   Sant ji further explains bachans which has sargun and nirgun knowledge of vahiguroo or unity shabads, those are all mahavaks and should be perceived it as such by advance seeker. Advance seeker and seeker who posses such estoeric attributes- requires only small indication (dristan-example).   -- Unity of individual soul and supreme soul also written in rest of gurbani. For example-   ਆਤਮਾ ਪਰਾਤਮਾ ਏਕੋ ਕਰੈ ॥ आतमा परातमा एको करै ॥ Āṯmā parāṯamā eko karai. His soul and the Supreme Soul become one.   ਅੰਤਰ ਕੀ ਦੁਬਿਧਾ ਅੰਤਰਿ ਮਰੈ ॥੧॥ अंतर की दुबिधा अंतरि मरै ॥१॥ Anṯar kī ḏubiḏẖā anṯar marai. ||1|| The duality of the inner mind is overcome. ||1||     ਆਤਮੇ ਨੋ ਆਤਮੇ ਦੀ ਪ੍ਰਤੀਤਿ ਹੋਇ ਤਾ ਘਰ ਹੀ ਪਰਚਾ ਪਾਇ ॥ आतमे नो आतमे दी प्रतीति होइ ता घर ही परचा पाइ ॥ Āṯme no āṯme ḏī parṯīṯ ho▫e ṯā gẖar hī parcẖā pā▫e. If the individual soul has faith in the Supreme Soul, then it shall obtain realization within its own home.     Also bachan by sri guru gobind singh ji in sri dasam granth sahib- gyan parbodh:   ਚਰਿਓ ਆਤਮਾ ਪਰਾਤਮਾ ਸੰਗ ॥ ਉਤਭੁਜ ਸਰੂਪ ਅਬਿਗਤ ਅਭੰਗ ॥ उचरिओ आतमा परातमा संग ॥ उतभुज सरूप अबिगत अभंग ॥ The soul said to the Higher Soul; the Germinating Entity, Unmanifested and Invincible;   ਇਹ ਕਉਨ ਆਹਿ ਆਤਮਾ ਸਰੂਪ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਅਮਿਤ ਤੇਜ ਅਤਿਭੂਤਿ ਬਿਭੂਤਿ ॥੨॥੧੨੭॥ इह कउन आहि आतमा सरूप ॥ जिह अमित तेज अतिभूति बिभूति ॥२॥१२७॥ What is this Soul Entity? Which hath indelible glory and which is of queer substance."2.127.   ਪਰਾਤਮਾ ਬਾਚ ॥ परातमा बाच ॥ The Higher Soul said:   ਯਹਿ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਆਹਿ ਆਤਮਾ ਰਾਮ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਅਮਿਤ ਤੇਜਿ ਅਬਿਗਤ ਅਕਾਮ ॥ यहि ब्रहम आहि आतमा राम ॥ जिह अमित तेजि अबिगत अकाम ॥ This Soul is itself Brahman;" Who is of Everlasting Glory and is Unmanisfested and Desireless.   ਜਿਹ ਭੇਦ ਭਰਮ ਨਹੀਂ ਕਰਮ ਕਾਲ ॥ ਜਿਹ ਸਤ੍ਰ ਮਿਤ੍ਰ ਸਰਬਾ ਦਿਆਲ ॥੩॥੧੨੮॥ जिह भेद भरम नहीं करम काल ॥ जिह सत्र मित्र सरबा दिआल ॥३॥१२८॥ Who is indiscriminate, actionless and deathless; Who hath no enemy and friend and is Merciful towards all.3.1228.   ----   Above discourse is dedicated to sant gyani gurbachan singh bhindranwale on their barsi, sant ji japji sahib teeka and above gurbani katha in japji sahib steek is gift to sikh world on their barsi. This is meant to be understood and contemplated on and applied by sikhs from all walks of life.  

Found previous deep interesting discussion on this subject, here are the links:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/index.php/topic/6890-destination-sachkhand/?hl=destination

http://www.sikhawareness.com/index.php/topic/9444-become-god-in-sachkhand-shankara-non-dualistic-theory-aling

http://www.sikhawareness.com/index.php/topic/7183-gurmat/

Most recent one i managed to put it together:

http://www.sikhawareness.com/index.php/topic/14813-gurmat-relations-towards-advait-marg-bhakti-marg/

Dalsingh Jee,
if allowed, I would like to share my personal opinions on some questions or matter, in your post of above of 17th Jan 2015.


Sat Sree Akal.

Whatever happened to civil ways of addressing such issues. Enforced Community or Gurdwara seva (jode, etc). Such merciless beating, especially the elderly, is unjustified. These are no Sikhs rather new age masands.