savinderpalsingh

penji would you let someone who has his or her clothes covered in shit to enter gurudwara?
its all in your head, as i said you are not accepting , everything

have you listened to whole katha of guru granth sahib ji? i prefer you to learn our language and listen to it
many questions arrise from literal translations and western people dont get deeper meaning to it .

its not only limited to women , it applys to men as well




its a version or taking about food , its not about how you enter gurudwara
does it mean that you are allowed to touch gurbani with saliva covered hands? are you kidding me?

heres your lovely sgpc penji

http://www.sikhsangat.com/index.php?/topic/7261-wish-of-mardanas-descendent-may-not-be-fulfilled/

here is Thakur Singh ji's Reply



http://tinypic.com/player.php?v=2wbua0w%3E&s=8

it was bothering me alot, but then i went a started reading about older gusikhs auto biographies and learn from them and older kathas of taksali singhs like sant gurbachan singh ji , kartar singh ji etc
i always held highest regard for him .



but the fact that he didnt had any guilt , made me so sad
but im over it now

waheguru da bhana , asi ohde naukar . jo chahe oh kare

Found the translation for agni purana for Dhanur Veda (archery)

1) Krauncha vyuha (heron formation)
2) Makara vyuha (crocodile formation)
3) Kurma vyuha (tortoise or turtle formation)
4) Trishula vyuha (the trident formation)
5) Chakra vyuha (wheel or discus formation)
6) Kamala vyuha or Padma vyuha (lotus formation)
7) Garud vyuha (Eagle formation)
8) Oormi vyuha (Ocean formation)
9) Mandala vyuha (Galactic formation)
10) Vajra vyuha (diamond/ thunderbolt formation)
11) Shakata vyuha (Box/Cart formation)
12) Asura vyuha (Demon formation)
13) Deva vyuha (Divine formation)
14) Soochi vyuha (Needle formation)
15) Sringataka vyuha (Horned formation)
16) Chandrakala vyuha (Crescent/ Curved Blade formation)
17) Suchi vyuha - Needle formation
18)Chayana vyuha - Hawk formation
19) Mala vyuha - Garland formation

Guru Gobind Singh, the tenth Sikh Guru, before leaving for the heavenly abode, had given some instructions to his followers present at Nanded in 1708. Baba Ram Singh Koer Ji, the great-grandson of Baba Buddha Ji wrote down these injunctions, which have fortunately come to us through an old manuscript.The author elaborates these 52 commandments in the light of Gurbani. Hence the book provides a comprehensive critique on the Sikh way of life prescribed by the tenth Guru Himself



http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:i-gEG8XcL-MJ:www.sikhbookshelf.com/products/fifty-two-commandments-of-guru-gobind-singh+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk

waheguru your tark pana amusses me, you now even doubt the 52 hukams? waheguru

taksal doesnt use viakran,



Sant Jarnail singh ji used to say
viakran is according to gurbani
not gurbani is according to viakran

heard it from taksali singh

baba sri chand ji remained with big kesh and without beard , he never shaved he just had this eternal youth look till he left his chola

The oldest manuscripts of Chaupa Singh have the sentence "Jo sikh, sikhni noo khande di pahul deve so tankhahyia". An oldest copy was lying in Sikh Reference Library. Fortunately it was copied before blue star. It has the sentence "Jo sikh, sikhni nu khande di pahul deve so tankhahia". It is available in print to verify.

i didnt wanted to jump on this , but heres Sri Guru Sarbloh Granth sahib ji


ਮਾਤ ਭਗਵਤੀ ਪਿਤਾ ਕਾਲ ਪੁਰੁਖ, ਗਦੋ ਲਿਯੋ ਦੈ ਖਾਲ ਪਲੀ ॥
Bhagavati is your mother, Kaal Purakh your father, [the Khalsa] has been nurtured in their laps [like children].

ਸਕਲ ਭਰਮ ਪਰਹਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਹਰਿਜਨ, ਸਤਿਨਾਮੁ ਸੁਚਿ ਮੰਤ੍ਰ ਬਲੀ ॥
Servants of Hari remove all their doubts by repeating ‘Satinam’, the most powerful of mantras

ਆਪੁ ਜਪਤਿ ਅਰੁ ਜਗਤ ਜਪਾਵਤਿ, ਭਗਤਿ ਸਿਰੋਮਨਿ ਮਾਹਿ ਕਲੀ ॥੭॥੧॥੩੧੪॥੮੪੬॥੩੧੬੫॥ਸਪ੍ਹਕ ੧॥
[The Khalsa] chant [Hari's Naam] and teach others to chant it and thus become the highest [shiromani] of all devotees in Kaliyug

ਇਤਿ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਪੰਥ ਪ੍ਰਕਾਸ ਸੁਭ ਬੰਸ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਤਸ਼ਾਹੀ ਦਸਕ ਬਰਨਨੰ ਸੁਭੰ॥੧॥



ਅਥ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਥਾਪਨ ਮਹਾਤਮ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਬਿਗ੍ਰਹ ਕਥਤੇ
ਤ੍ਵ ਬਲਿ
ਬਿਸਨੁਪਦ ਪੁੰਨਿਯਾਕੀ

ਆਪਨਪੌ ਸ਼੍ਰੀ ਖਾਲਸਹਿ ਸੌਪਾਂ, ਦ੍ਵਤਯਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾ ॥
I (Guru Gobind Singh Ji) have passed down (my form) to the Khalsa, the second Form of mine is the Granth

ਬੋਲਨ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਸਬਦ-ਸੋਭਾਖਨ, ਨਾਮ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਕੀਰਤਨਿ ਸੰਥਾ ॥
The recitation of the Shabad is the Satiguru's speach to us, whether it be Gods Name [simran roop)], or through singing hymns [keertan], or through studying His Word [santhaa]

ਗੁਨਾਨੁਵਾਦ ਪੁਨਿ ਸਿਫਤਿ ਸਲਾਹਨਿ, ਊਠਤੁ ਬੈਠਤੁ ਸੈਨ ਕਰੰਥਾ ॥
By praising the Lord one becomes virtuous, whether standing or sitting

ਪਾਵਨ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸਹਿ ਪ੍ਰਗਟਯੋ, ਚਾਰ ਵਰਨ ਆਸ਼੍ਰਮ ਸੁਭ ਪੰਥਾ ॥੧॥
The pure Panth, the Khalsa has came into being, that glorious Panth with four castes [Khatri, Bahman, Sudh, Vaish] and four ashrams [brahamchari, Grishti, Vaanprasti, Sanyasi]

ਇਨ ਕੇ ਦਰਸ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਕੋ ਦਰਸਨ, ਬੋਲਨ ਗੁਰੂ ਸਬਦੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗ੍ਰੰਥਾ ॥
If you wish to behold Me then behold the Khalsa [which is Satiguru], if you wish to speak to Me then repeat the Bani from the Guru Granth Sahib

ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ ਰੂਪ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੁ ਏ ਕਹਿਯਤਿ, ਦ੍ਵਾਦਸਿ-ਭਾਨੁ ਪ੍ਰਗਟ ਹਰਿ ਸੰਤਾ ॥
Oh Saints of the Hari listen, in twelve forms the Satiguru appears, just as twelve phases of the sun

ਪ੍ਰਤਯਖ ਕਲਾ ਪਾਰਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਧਣੀਛੈ, ਗ੍ਰੰਥਿ ਪੰਥ ਖਾਲਸ ਵਰਤੰਤਾ ॥
The visible power of God is manifested in the Khalsa as [the doctrine of the Guru] Granth and [that of the Guru] Panth

ਦਾਸ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਫਤਹ ਸਤਿਗੁਰੂ ਕੀ, ਖਾਸ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਗੁਰੁ ਰੂਪ ਬਦੰਤਾ ॥੨॥ਦੁਪਦ ੧॥
The Servant, Gobind [singh] says, all victory is Paramatma's, the true Guru's form is now the [Guru] Granth.

- Sarbloh Granth, Vol. II, page 496

it was bothering me alot, but then i went a started reading about older gusikhs auto biographies and learn from them and older kathas of taksali singhs like sant gurbachan singh ji , kartar singh ji etc
i always held highest regard for him .



but the fact that he didnt had any guilt , made me so sad
but im over it now

waheguru da bhana , asi ohde naukar . jo chahe oh kare

Naam Simran jugti By Bhai Dalip Singh Darveshi


https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLdCyCu1Afw44NfbFyEEATGN2ghWZt-V_v

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Bro, the reason I said that one of the main functions of sexual relationship is to procreate, is because having sex for PLEASURE is a sin. I know it sounds very strict, but this is Gurmat. A Sikh can have sex with his wife only with the intention of getting a child. Now, sometimes the sexual act will have to be repeated in order to get the wife pregnant. The intention is the key.

*On a lighter note, Srimaan Sant Baba Nand Singh jee Maharaaj once told a person that a husband can have sex with his wife, a maximum of once a week. But, he also said that a Sikh should be brave and try to remain unmarried* (Celibate) which according to me indicates that the above statement was possibly made for ordinary people like me.
*Reference - Sri Nanaksar Stairs to God
Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa Waheguru jee kee Fateh

I met him during the eighties in a seminar in Amritsar. He was very polite and reserved, and would give his opinion in very precise words. I really admired him for his objective approach. There wasn't any history postgraduate claas at Khalsa College Jallandhar but Pajabi MA. However, he was invited to give special talks to undergraduate students on Sikh history. I remember listening to him about Persian sources such as Tuzak-i-jahangiri on Guru Arjan Dev ji's martyredom. Satbir Singh had been telling us alwats about Chandu and Pirthi Chand.

idiots need a hard smack,


sarab nahi sewanee,


chaped khan wale honye ne eh lok

I think the topic is going off track.

We are more on issues of men and women, rather than, what a Guru means. We think we elect gurus as in political elections for a particular period of time.

The true Guru is Shabad, the True Guru is Brahmgyani, the True Guru is Gurumukh, the True Guru is the Lord Himself.

And just as Wahiguru has no gender, it is His power, His level of Consciousness which works in that particular body.

It is like a battery, which works the same in a doll, as in the soldier. It is the energy of that battery which makes them work, not the otherwise, that the toys work better, as per how they were designed or the roles to play.

In a siimilar way, the physical body of a woman or the man is not the Guru, which by the way is the topic of this thread. The Guru is not perisahble, the bodies of men or women, are just a handful of dust .... So, as said, Guru, is a power, which can work out His duties at the best, in any conditions, He has no such limits, though limited in disguise, as He is in a physical body which is just a covering

The True Guru, works on the inner planes, to guide the souls back to their True Home, Sach Khand .

Outwardly He only inspires us, to love Him, by doing the real bhakti.

Last, but not the least, it is Wahiguru´s choice, it is His mauj, He can do what He feels like. As said, if He wanted, what to say about human beings, He can make even the stones carry out His Hukum...

So brothers and sisters, sangat, let us not argue on the mayavee coverings(bodies, genders), but pay attention, to what He says to us through those wadbhagee Gurmukhs(irrespective of genders).


To argue about genders of the True gurus, is to question Wahiguru Himself.

Is that not shameful? Our manmukhta, has no limits .....

As long as the creation exists, either men or women, both shall continue to be imperfect beings, only by doing the real bhakti and elevating our consciousness to His level, shall we become perfect, then there shall be no arguments, that men this, or women that, because then, only He will exist.

Sat Sree Akal.

so far , i have read only half of chaupa singhs rehatnama , some points i dont understand because of the translations for those words are not available.
so far in half it is written

given charan pahul of guru sahibs manji's pawa recite japji and jap sahib
singh must not eat jhoot of bibi

maybe this weekend i will try to talk to local santhaya wale bhai sab so he can translate points which i coudnt
many of the points are in line with 52 hukams,

will update if i find something interesting

Three oldest copies of Chaupa Singh Rahitnama that HW McLeod says existed before 1984 were one in Sikh Reference Library, another one in Guru Nanak Dev University, and the third one at Khalsa College Amritsar. He copied the one at Sikh reference Library before Blue Star in 1982. he compared his copy notes meticulously with the. other two at Khalsa College and Guru Nanak University. They all seemrd to be copy of a single source. he later found that the source was a copythat ued to be at Damdama Sahib. Ultimately he published his book Chaupa Singh Rahitnama by crefully comparing and using the texts from the three sources. He is not alive today however, he had deposited all his notes and papers on this with Guru Nank Dev University. Incidently, All the three versions have the same sentence "Jo Sikhni nu Khande di Pahul deve so tankhahia".
The only variant version in print is that published by Piara Singh Padam that has the same sentence with added word 'na' in it making it, "Jo Sikhni nu Khande di Pahul na deve so Tankhahia". Padam hasn't given any satisfactory source reference helping the reader to confirm it.

I was able to locate 52 bachans in Principal Satbir Singh's book 'Aad Sikh te Aad Sakhian' published in 1987. It is the last sakhi of the book. He does not mention the original source. Somewhere else Satbir Singh is said to have said that he had seen these bachans in 'Gurdware Darshan' published by Giani Thakur Singh in 1915. I had a look at this book. However I was unable to find these in it. Principal Satbir Singh used to be a lecturer of history at Lyallpur Khalsa College Jallandhar during late fifties when I was a student there. I had seen him critisising teachers of history and literature for their political views that according to him they should have been deeply religious and pro-Akali being teachers in a Khalsa college. Teacher of literature criticised was Sant Singh Sekhon teaching Panjabi M A classes part-time. While in hostel I saw him beat a sweeper who was smoking going home after work. I wasn't much impressed by his scholarship, particularly originality in history as a subject compared with Ganda Singh who used to come occasionally to give a talk to history postgraduate students.

Again you are wrong , rapes in India is not higher. Population wise rapes in India is quite low

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rape_statistics

In India there is only 1.8 rapes per 100000 population compared to UKs 27 rapes. Even if you say that there is under reporting and increase rape stats of India
10 times it is still lower than UK or USA

” community leader Sardar Bishon Singh told The Express Tribune. “Meat, eggs and tobacco are prohibited in Sikhism like pork is in Islam,” he said. This is old news. The above quote does not seem to fit in with the Pakistani Sikhs viewpoint of meat either. They do not have the hang ups that Indian Sikhs have about meat. If I remember correctly it was agreed that this incident would never be repeated.

I would imagine that the police here would consider this a 'no case'.

He allegedly asked for a kiss, and didn't get one. She wasn't forcibly held captive. No 'assault' took place per se. She isn't a minor, so no grooming/pedophilia issues.

I can't see which laws they could apply to prosecute with the allegations?

Which is back to my original point that Kesh means hair on the top of the head. One of Shri Krishans names is "Keshav" the one with the long hair. Here is a Samurai with a Jura.The beard is not so pronounced. It could be that most Japs are not capable of growing a full beard.