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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from jaikaara in Any simran conferences or E-simran place?   
    I do naam simran but usually do it with some sort of video. I get feeling and love for vaheguroo when I do naam simran in that way rather than doing it all by myself. I tried doing it without any form of external method and my mind refused to go along. Sometime I do it while walking where with inhale I say vahe and exhale guroo. This method brings so much peace though. Thank you for the guidance. 
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from jaikaara in Any simran conferences or E-simran place?   
    Vaheguroo ji,
    There is a website I know, mysimraninfo which does Simran conferences two times a day. I tried two times But I guess I was the only one lol. I know everybody has different schedule and different timing But there is not a single source where people can tune in and can join the Naam simran?. Like an online source, where people can get on conference calls and we can have one person who can make us sit together to do Naam simran. I know there are many audios and live gurdwara sahibs broadcast but nothing works better than having a Guide or teacher, for my monkey mind especially which gets really heavy with spiritual acts one day and spend other days just reading about it rather than doing it, which I am doing at this very moment
    Sikhi should not become a business but if any person is willing to create and sell something Like E-sangat type of Simran, I am willing to buy lol. The mysimraninfo conference call idea is great But maybe because of timing nobody tune in. But when we go on youtube BOS, so many people check in the live stream but they are about giving information no Naam Simran.
    I am not from UK or Canada where I always see so much Naam Simran happening,My cousin told me how In canadian Gurdwara sahib Naam simran is always happening and they have so many Gurdwara sahib too, we have one very far away. In Amreeka, nobody care, we are doomed spiritually, somebody needs to save us lol
    Thank you, if said anything wrong sorry.
     
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from SAadmin in Can we relate Sikhi wid Reiki ?   
    I am so sorry, as long as she is not harming others does not matter what she calls herself. The day she will feel a connection with Sikhi she will get back.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from mahanpaapi in Can we relate Sikhi wid Reiki ?   
    I am so sorry, as long as she is not harming others does not matter what she calls herself. The day she will feel a connection with Sikhi she will get back.
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to Sat1176 in Samadhi   
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from jaikaara in Starting Sehaj Paath.   
    Not that I am aware of but it's all good. I think I will stick to reading the meaning of sggs rather than saying planning to do sehaj paath. Doing from phone or iPad does not give the satisfaction of doing from gutka sahib ji. Thank you . Main aim is to learn and get inspired which I can do with the help of Gursikhs who has done the translation.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from mahanpaapi in Husband Wife Jokes - I Love These   
    Men = complain about being trapped with women.
    women= complain about their rights.
    No one will ever win. Vaheguroo
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to samurai in About sex   
    My 2 cents or 2 pennies...
    My comment is not really about this topic but just wanted to say that i have noticed over the last 6 months or so (maybe before) that this forum is going down the same avenue as sikh sangat. Meaning all they ever do is argue and the pattern is very similar to what has happened on this topic..on SS a topic gets side tracked and then there is a battle between 2 groups consisting of 3-4 members on each side and admin only ban the topic once their ideology is put into serious doubt (challenged), its not a debate/discussion but an argument. 
    Im not saying this is the exact case here but just a pattern occurring on some posts here, having said that the intelligence, patience and open mindedness on this forum is miles ahead of any other sikh forum..
     
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from jaikaara in Starting Sehaj Paath.   
    No veer Jee, I have not. But my aim for first sehaj Paath is to do it and learn the meanings. Since Naam simran should be important I think.  
    And To be honest I don't know which pronunciation is right. So many peopledo it with different style. For instance, the link you provided is new to me. I have never heard anyone pronouncing everything like the way it's written.
    I would say Hadoor and most of the YouTube bani people say it too but here it's hadoorey.
    Vaparwah is vaparwahu.
    To me Maskeen ji is someone I can close my eyes and trust and even Maskeen ji did not do Paath the way it's done under the link so I'm more confused lol 
    Thank you for the link though, appreciate it. 
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from Singh123456777 in About sex   
    Which will not always be right lol. And there are not many women on this forum but differences will always stay between two different culture since family influences us big time and both of us won't be totally right and at the same time both of us won't be all wrong. Oh well lol 
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from Singh123456777 in About sex   
    First of all, I wanna say sorry to you for all the people who have been mean. I did spend some time reading posts about women right on this forum and some people did say some mean stuff. However, i don't fully agree with the approach you are taking. I read many of your posts, you are after women rights so bad that everything goes towards it.
    To me if I wanna be a good person I will have to let go of my Ego, I read your post about marriage and whole thing was about saying how you had a control over the Palla and you could just control the pace of your husband and how they said women can be part of panj Payaras. I just wanna know why is there a big need that everything should be equal literally? 
    Guru amardas ji, the king of the world was sitting at manji and Bhai dattu came and kicked guru ji, he fell, got up and asked , is your feet okay? I am old and my bones are hard I hope I have not hurt you. That was the humility of my Guru amardas ji. That was the saakhi which shaked me so bad that I got deep into spirituality. This taught me if the king of the king can bow down front of a person who was so mean to hurt an old person then who am I to keep my head above so high.
    If there are bigger problems like where women are being treated like an animal then I will stand by you with women rights, but if it has to do with small things like women giving their husband somewhat superiority, or no women in panj peyare. Why are we fighting if guru ji chose not to take any women, why can't we accept that and be like okay. I read some gurdwaras don't let women do small seva at gurdwaras, this is something I am with you. But this obsession about being everything equal might make us go away from the real meaning of following sikhi. 
    There are countless stories which will show how the great saints and gurus showed humility and served even the lowest of low which were called by people. But look around today an amritdhari person will put other amritdhari down becaus they don't belong to their takht. I am stupid, I know nothing but one thing I know is women right is going too far and so does the those men who think a women deserve no respect. They need to just remember why call her bad when she gave birth to kings. I know you are not Indian and I know society influence a lot, I have spent almost 12 years in west and craze I see on women about being equal is not healthy. And so does the men who suffe from God complex. However, one gender has to show the maturity and learn to accept some rules which society created.
    The type of world women want is where equality is everywhere and literally but then after that is achieved women will go to the extreme saying okay now men should start giving birth too, why we suffer? Every month I go through that horrible pain, I am like wish I was a guy but when I am a normal person with emotions and feelings and see guys being practical I'm like naw I don't wanna be man. Not saying all men are emotionless but some of them are weird lol no offense guys:). The point is this there are bigger things to fight over rather than men doing the house chores, women giving an apoourtunity to be in panj, women not able to stand that their husbands are considered superior. Somebody talked about touching other people's feet and I would touch everybody's feet because it will bring humility and humbleness. That's why we do shoe seva in gurdwara sahib so we can touch people's shoes and can become humble. There is a saakhi about 5th guru ji doing the shoes seva of the people who came to visit him if I am not wrong. I will find it and post it.
    This world will become a much better place if people start learning that life is not about having equal rights, their rules and regulations, their religion, their attire. Life is about becoming what Guru Amardas ji was and other guru ji. I will highly suggest you to read sau saakhi, it has the stories of gurus and their humility, it's in English too. 
    I know I said a lot and I am sorry for coming as very rude, did not mean too. I apologize.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from SAadmin in About sex   
    There is so much fight and argument over gender inequality. One bad example I saw was when a Sikh couple got married and the female chose to walk side by side with him instead of being behind him because she thought if she walks behind him then there is not an equality. I know there are many men who dominant women like crazy and it's certainly wrong but I have seen many women who fight everywhere under the name of equal rights too. How are we going to learn the value of forgiveness if all we do is battle against the gender. My mom does not say my dads name and I never questioned that because Mata gujri ji never said the name of her husband. Of course, when I get married I will say his name since old time is gone but he will get proper respect and I won't have fights over gender rights. How can I conquer my anger and learn to see Vaheguroo in everyone while I am having an argument over that he did not help me while doing the dishes.
    Gurbani teaches us to see Vaheguroo ji in everybody and learn to forgive others since in the end what matter most is our own actions. If I am a guy I can go around yelling I am a man and you woman worship me, respect me and in return I won't give you respect. This is wrong. If I am a woman, which I am lol. I can go around saying Nope, I won't do the dishes unless you help me since I believe in equal rights. I see that wrong, if I am not dying and can do dishes by myself I will do it lol. I know cheesy Example but I hope my point can be understood lol. 
    when a person lower themselves it does not make them weak, it makes them stronger. If someone curse at you and you choose to stay quiet then you are not weak, you showed your strength. It's super easy to curse back but it takes real strength to not curse back and let it go. Speaking from my experience, people think I am weak when I stay quiet but in my mind I don't hurt others and is not cursing back at the Vaheguroo I see in them.
    You all are more mature and experienced than me, sorry if said anything wrong.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from samurai in About sex   
    There is so much fight and argument over gender inequality. One bad example I saw was when a Sikh couple got married and the female chose to walk side by side with him instead of being behind him because she thought if she walks behind him then there is not an equality. I know there are many men who dominant women like crazy and it's certainly wrong but I have seen many women who fight everywhere under the name of equal rights too. How are we going to learn the value of forgiveness if all we do is battle against the gender. My mom does not say my dads name and I never questioned that because Mata gujri ji never said the name of her husband. Of course, when I get married I will say his name since old time is gone but he will get proper respect and I won't have fights over gender rights. How can I conquer my anger and learn to see Vaheguroo in everyone while I am having an argument over that he did not help me while doing the dishes.
    Gurbani teaches us to see Vaheguroo ji in everybody and learn to forgive others since in the end what matter most is our own actions. If I am a guy I can go around yelling I am a man and you woman worship me, respect me and in return I won't give you respect. This is wrong. If I am a woman, which I am lol. I can go around saying Nope, I won't do the dishes unless you help me since I believe in equal rights. I see that wrong, if I am not dying and can do dishes by myself I will do it lol. I know cheesy Example but I hope my point can be understood lol. 
    when a person lower themselves it does not make them weak, it makes them stronger. If someone curse at you and you choose to stay quiet then you are not weak, you showed your strength. It's super easy to curse back but it takes real strength to not curse back and let it go. Speaking from my experience, people think I am weak when I stay quiet but in my mind I don't hurt others and is not cursing back at the Vaheguroo I see in them.
    You all are more mature and experienced than me, sorry if said anything wrong.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from dalsingh101 in About sex   
    There is so much fight and argument over gender inequality. One bad example I saw was when a Sikh couple got married and the female chose to walk side by side with him instead of being behind him because she thought if she walks behind him then there is not an equality. I know there are many men who dominant women like crazy and it's certainly wrong but I have seen many women who fight everywhere under the name of equal rights too. How are we going to learn the value of forgiveness if all we do is battle against the gender. My mom does not say my dads name and I never questioned that because Mata gujri ji never said the name of her husband. Of course, when I get married I will say his name since old time is gone but he will get proper respect and I won't have fights over gender rights. How can I conquer my anger and learn to see Vaheguroo in everyone while I am having an argument over that he did not help me while doing the dishes.
    Gurbani teaches us to see Vaheguroo ji in everybody and learn to forgive others since in the end what matter most is our own actions. If I am a guy I can go around yelling I am a man and you woman worship me, respect me and in return I won't give you respect. This is wrong. If I am a woman, which I am lol. I can go around saying Nope, I won't do the dishes unless you help me since I believe in equal rights. I see that wrong, if I am not dying and can do dishes by myself I will do it lol. I know cheesy Example but I hope my point can be understood lol. 
    when a person lower themselves it does not make them weak, it makes them stronger. If someone curse at you and you choose to stay quiet then you are not weak, you showed your strength. It's super easy to curse back but it takes real strength to not curse back and let it go. Speaking from my experience, people think I am weak when I stay quiet but in my mind I don't hurt others and is not cursing back at the Vaheguroo I see in them.
    You all are more mature and experienced than me, sorry if said anything wrong.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from Sat1176 in About sex   
    There is so much fight and argument over gender inequality. One bad example I saw was when a Sikh couple got married and the female chose to walk side by side with him instead of being behind him because she thought if she walks behind him then there is not an equality. I know there are many men who dominant women like crazy and it's certainly wrong but I have seen many women who fight everywhere under the name of equal rights too. How are we going to learn the value of forgiveness if all we do is battle against the gender. My mom does not say my dads name and I never questioned that because Mata gujri ji never said the name of her husband. Of course, when I get married I will say his name since old time is gone but he will get proper respect and I won't have fights over gender rights. How can I conquer my anger and learn to see Vaheguroo in everyone while I am having an argument over that he did not help me while doing the dishes.
    Gurbani teaches us to see Vaheguroo ji in everybody and learn to forgive others since in the end what matter most is our own actions. If I am a guy I can go around yelling I am a man and you woman worship me, respect me and in return I won't give you respect. This is wrong. If I am a woman, which I am lol. I can go around saying Nope, I won't do the dishes unless you help me since I believe in equal rights. I see that wrong, if I am not dying and can do dishes by myself I will do it lol. I know cheesy Example but I hope my point can be understood lol. 
    when a person lower themselves it does not make them weak, it makes them stronger. If someone curse at you and you choose to stay quiet then you are not weak, you showed your strength. It's super easy to curse back but it takes real strength to not curse back and let it go. Speaking from my experience, people think I am weak when I stay quiet but in my mind I don't hurt others and is not cursing back at the Vaheguroo I see in them.
    You all are more mature and experienced than me, sorry if said anything wrong.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from mahanpaapi in About sex   
    There is so much fight and argument over gender inequality. One bad example I saw was when a Sikh couple got married and the female chose to walk side by side with him instead of being behind him because she thought if she walks behind him then there is not an equality. I know there are many men who dominant women like crazy and it's certainly wrong but I have seen many women who fight everywhere under the name of equal rights too. How are we going to learn the value of forgiveness if all we do is battle against the gender. My mom does not say my dads name and I never questioned that because Mata gujri ji never said the name of her husband. Of course, when I get married I will say his name since old time is gone but he will get proper respect and I won't have fights over gender rights. How can I conquer my anger and learn to see Vaheguroo in everyone while I am having an argument over that he did not help me while doing the dishes.
    Gurbani teaches us to see Vaheguroo ji in everybody and learn to forgive others since in the end what matter most is our own actions. If I am a guy I can go around yelling I am a man and you woman worship me, respect me and in return I won't give you respect. This is wrong. If I am a woman, which I am lol. I can go around saying Nope, I won't do the dishes unless you help me since I believe in equal rights. I see that wrong, if I am not dying and can do dishes by myself I will do it lol. I know cheesy Example but I hope my point can be understood lol. 
    when a person lower themselves it does not make them weak, it makes them stronger. If someone curse at you and you choose to stay quiet then you are not weak, you showed your strength. It's super easy to curse back but it takes real strength to not curse back and let it go. Speaking from my experience, people think I am weak when I stay quiet but in my mind I don't hurt others and is not cursing back at the Vaheguroo I see in them.
    You all are more mature and experienced than me, sorry if said anything wrong.
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from Ragmaala in About sex   
    There is so much fight and argument over gender inequality. One bad example I saw was when a Sikh couple got married and the female chose to walk side by side with him instead of being behind him because she thought if she walks behind him then there is not an equality. I know there are many men who dominant women like crazy and it's certainly wrong but I have seen many women who fight everywhere under the name of equal rights too. How are we going to learn the value of forgiveness if all we do is battle against the gender. My mom does not say my dads name and I never questioned that because Mata gujri ji never said the name of her husband. Of course, when I get married I will say his name since old time is gone but he will get proper respect and I won't have fights over gender rights. How can I conquer my anger and learn to see Vaheguroo in everyone while I am having an argument over that he did not help me while doing the dishes.
    Gurbani teaches us to see Vaheguroo ji in everybody and learn to forgive others since in the end what matter most is our own actions. If I am a guy I can go around yelling I am a man and you woman worship me, respect me and in return I won't give you respect. This is wrong. If I am a woman, which I am lol. I can go around saying Nope, I won't do the dishes unless you help me since I believe in equal rights. I see that wrong, if I am not dying and can do dishes by myself I will do it lol. I know cheesy Example but I hope my point can be understood lol. 
    when a person lower themselves it does not make them weak, it makes them stronger. If someone curse at you and you choose to stay quiet then you are not weak, you showed your strength. It's super easy to curse back but it takes real strength to not curse back and let it go. Speaking from my experience, people think I am weak when I stay quiet but in my mind I don't hurt others and is not cursing back at the Vaheguroo I see in them.
    You all are more mature and experienced than me, sorry if said anything wrong.
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to Lucky in About sex   
    This topic has gone completely off track with the same old repeating argument with the same members again.
     
    The OP's question was about oral sex...... To answer this from my understanding, I can say that oral sex has nothing to do with sikhi. Sikhi doesn't say you can or you can't, it doesn't ban fellatio or cunninglingus, or state whether one swallows or spits!...... oral engagement is an intimate sexual encounter between a couple as any other act would be considered. In sikhi, one only exhibits this behaviour with ONE lifelong spouse...  I'm not sure exactly what the op's intention was or what they wanted to hear, but let's get this straight- Sexual relations outside a marriage are a no no. ... I'm saying this because many young, distorted minds feel that they can indulge in such acts outside or even before marriage because they feel it is not full sex, or that no one's "cherry" is popped. These folk will be under the impression that they can still be considered pure virgins at the time of marriage because full penetration never occurred, The same goes for people that will be so sure that they haven't committed adultery just because they didn't go all the way... This is a false misconception because sexual relations with anyone means any kind of pleasures gained via senses of touch, feel, taste or sight by use of another's body.
     .....Bottom line is that oral is not prohibited, but it is still an act of sexual relations and is therefore not engaged with anyone other than your husband/wife. What you do with your husband or wife in the bedroom is entirely your business and nothing to do with sikhi. Saying that you can't engage in this or that in sikhi is like saying you can only wipe your backside with this hand or that one because your Sikh.
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to paapiman in Darghai Parshaad -- don't miss this amazing opportunity   
    Sister, the name of the book is " Sri Nanaksar Stairs to God".
     
    Bhul chuk maaf
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to kdsingh80 in Dangerous cycle of Lekha (account)   
    Scribd has many good Ebooks , you can read them free
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from jaikaara in Starting Sehaj Paath.   
    Vaheguroo ji,
    I would like to start the Sehaj paath with Gurmukhi and English Translation. I found a website where whole SGGS is uploaded, but if someone can suggest me something, I would appreciate it. The reason I am creating this thread is so I can post here to share and it will give me a reason to stick to it if I can post what I am doing. Maybe nobody will care lol but will still give me a reason to stick to it.
    I will take any suggestion and guidance, I will be doing it from Ipad, phone or laptop but will try to maintain the environment where it feels like I am not just reading something but learning. 
    I will be starting on Jan 06,2016. There are 1430 pages and If I plan to do in 30 days, I will have to go for 50 pages a day. I am not sure how will it go but that's the beginning plan.
    Every video I find has only Gurmukhi, I wish there were videos of SGGS where English and Gurmukhi is together. I think I can play them in the back while still reading the English meaning.
    Or should I just go for the Gurmukhi only and then try to learn English, Because when I start reading English, I feel like I am just reading a book while reading the translation.
    Youtube videos over Sampooran Path Sri Guru Granth Sahib Jee are so beautiful but they only have Gurmukhi, no translation
    Thank you and sorry if said anything wrong.
     
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    GurpreetKaur got a reaction from jaikaara in Dangerous cycle of Lekha (account)   
    Paapiman ji.. From where do you get that many books?. I can't even find books on sikhi on amazon. I should ask someone to bring me from India. But the person who is going now won't be back until 4 months :( lol 
    I only have one book it's explanation  of sukhmani sahib ji by dassan dass. It's a good book but now Amazon is selling it for almost 400$. I don't know why? I know vidhia website got so many books but reading a paperback is always good . Thank you 
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to sukrit kaur in Some Simran/ Meditation Techniques To Remember Our Bapu Ji.   
    Today,I was talking to my grandfather about spirituality.My grandfather's dad was a very gurmukh person.He did a lotttt of kamai in his life.So,we were admiring their efforts and principles.Then I asked my grandmom about their bhagti life.She told me that she did a lot of meditation.She told me that pita ji(with respect) used to do saas graas.They used to get up at 12 am ,then did nitnem and all meditation etc.Pita ji could do nitnem standing on his one leg,etc etc.When they were sleeping,their navel was in an automatic mode reciting guroo in a very loud voice.So,I'm very excited at this point.I somewhere read that It's not a good sign.dunno much about it.so
    what does it mean?
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to Sat1176 in Some Simran/ Meditation Techniques To Remember Our Bapu Ji.   
    I was watching tv the other day and a teacher of another faith made a remark which got me thinking. He said until you don't have inner peace within yourself god will never come before you. Why? He said god knows that you've got troubles in your life and he knows if he came before you and asks what do you want? Most people will say please make this better or take that problem away or can I have this. He said god is above petty thoughts like this so won't waste his time. He said until you don't learn to be content within you will never meet god or have a godly experience.

    Simple effective message I thought. Point noted.
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    GurpreetKaur reacted to Kd Singh in Experiences and Reflections of a Truth Seeker   
    Good day everyone,
    After having spent years contemplating about Truth, God, Sikhism, Gurus and time spent studying Astronomy, Universe and meditating. I have been compelled to share my inner feelings and experiences. 
    Before I begin allow me to introduce myself. From the very beginning as far as I can recall, I have always been interested in finding the answers to the basic questions that mankind has always asked. I have been always interested in studying and knowing more about the Universe , our place in the universe, our existence and purpose in human life. The consciousness and basically what really is the Truth.  Born as a Sikh and studying Guru's message, observing and looking at the Sikh community. Studying Science and Astronomy and this is what I have observed and feel an urge to share with the Sikh community : 
    We as Sikhs have completely went astray from the very basic teaching of the Sikh Gurus.  We like to talk big , wear big kirpans, talk about how strictly we follow the rehat maryada, yet we fail to even observe and feel the pain of a poor person dying on the street or someone going without food.  Its like a policeman who takes great pride in wearing a uniform, but never enforces the law.
    We have become more like a religion.  A religion ----- which divides humanity. "I am a Sikh".  "I am a Hindu". "I am a Muslim".  So from the time a child is born. Their religion is fixed in the world. Our Guru's message was spiritual and not a religious one. The Guru's cared about people all equally regardless of their religion, caste or any other thing.  So here in the very first place we have slipped down a very slippery slope. 
    A piece of stone lying on a ground doesn't have a religion.  A dog walking on the street doesn't have a religion. Yet that instance of God exists in all creation , all equally.
    He himself is the Creator and He himself the creation. He is pervading everywhere and everything is made up of him.  Just as the basic building blocks of matter is proton, neutrons and electrons .. in the same way He is the building block of all Creation. 
    At one point you have religion with all the superficialities , superstitions, and at another point you have Science that is time and again bringing in new discoveries and new knowledge about the Universe. 
    At one point we see the images of Hubble Telescope, which shows galaxies beyond galaxies at unimaginable distances and points and places in the Universe from where the first ray of light would take billions of years to reach Earth. It makes us realize the timeless and infinite span of the Universe. The planet Earth is infinitely smaller than the grand size of the Universe in which it lies in. So at one point we have these amazing discoveries that is truly showing us our place in the UNIVERSE and how insignificant and how small we are and how we are all one and  Yet we have people still fighting in the name of religion 2015. Sikhs in Punjab fighting, arguing with kirpans, beating others for not following rehat, getting all aggressive, over all politics, removing turbans and not just Sikhs. Our minds are not at peace and we are like MAD men and women. We need to forget everything, from our skin colors to our religions and our superficial cultures and learn to be together and feel the oneness that is the real source of everything. 
    Even if there was all peace on Earth or all war on Earth, it would not make a bit difference in the grand cosmic arena that we live in.  We fail to look at how insignificant our position is in the Universe and instead of truly contemplating on the real philosophical message of Guru ... we find ourselves in a whole different world of chaos, arguments, fights. Our minds have failed to transcend the mundane and see beyond ourselves. 
     
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