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Personally, i feel when it comes to bhandgi we are very naive.
Students who study medical science, engineering, usually revise for few hours straight. 
I had few friends who would study 6 hours straight with minimal breaks.
We should encourage each other and have a can do attitude. 
Guru tegh bahadur sahib ji, did bhagti for 26 years. Guru Gobind singh ji in their previous life did continuous bhagti. 
Why his sikhs not able to do 3hr bhagti, instead we say that we only need pyaar, lol..
Was guru sahib not full of pyaar!
By the way, I've heard in katha that 3.5hrs sitting is called one samadhi (or similar)..

With all due respect, Yogi Bhajan was no light weight!

@karmjeet I read it. Even before reading it , I wonder that our Gurus must not have done this to have kids and I was right.

What made you think that they don't raise your awareness?    ..... It seems incorrect to me.  See, if the below helps you......
Navel and slightly below (Mool duar) is where your knot of sukham (astral) body is.   Gurbani also explains, that bhavjal sagar(bhavsagar) starts at the navel and  goes upto the mid-point of eyes (triveni)  .. The 3 channels, ida, pingal and sukhmana  travel upwards along this bhavsagar, but the sukhmana is hidden.. Also represented by rivers Ganga, Jumna and Sarsvati..     The idea is to ascend upwards by balancing ida-pingala  and activating through the central sukhmana (sarsvati).  This is also how you raise kundalini.  .  In gurmat, as per gurbani, one can only ascend, increase frequencies..etc  starting from the knot. 
 
There are other explanations as well, such as the agan(fire) element (in stomach area),  This has to be conquered and left behind by the mind before it can deal with water and air.  The MIND has to leave behind maya(5 elements) before it enters the sacha mahal inside.   
Also, alchemy reference in Japji bani  below.   This is similar to spiritual science of making pure gold with either Paras(philospher stone) or manually working with it in furnace.  The furnace (heat) is stomach. This heat is necessary before gold/precious metal ore can be molten. Then process of separating the pure out of the ore, and finally the extraction of this ore.
ਜਤੁ ਪਾਹਾਰਾ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ ॥ 
Jaṯ pāhārā ḏẖīraj suni▫ār. 
Let self-control be the furnace, and patience the goldsmith. 
ਅਹਰਣਿ ਮਤਿ ਵੇਦੁ ਹਥੀਆਰੁ ॥ 
Ahraṇ maṯ veḏ hathī▫ār. 
Let understanding be the anvil, and spiritual wisdom the tools. 
ਭਉ ਖਲਾ ਅਗਨਿ ਤਪ ਤਾਉ ॥ 
Bẖa▫o kẖalā agan ṯap ṯā▫o. 
With the Fear of God as the bellows, fan the flames of tapa, the body's inner heat. 
ਭਾਂਡਾ ਭਾਉ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਿਤੁ ਢਾਲਿ ॥ 
Bẖāʼndā bẖā▫o amriṯ ṯiṯ dẖāl. 
In the crucible of love, melt the Nectar of the Name, 
ਘੜੀਐ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ॥ 
Gẖaṛī▫ai sabaḏ sacẖī taksāl. 
and mint the True Coin of the Shabad, the Word of God. 
 
There should be many  other universal reasons of why you must start at the lower chakra areas and work your way up.

Chalisa is Chali - sa, meaning 40 chaupais.
Chaupai is chau - pai, meaning 4-line poem.

Sukhmani sahib is in Ashtpadi, Asht - padi, meaning 8 steps. Each step is 10 lines.

10 lines x 8 = 80 lines. A Chalisa is 40 x 4 = 160 lines

So my guess would be that you read 2 Ashtpadis with each Nitnem.

Anyways I don't know what the puratan maryada is so maybe someone else can chime in on that.

Yea most likely a person who has spiritual epiphany wont be online here

Because Veerji,thats all our people currently are worried about. Externalities. Inside maybe all empty but they have to show off outside.I once read a Buddhist monk saying that his goal is to "Build People and not to worry about building temples.Once you build people they will themselves go forth and build the necessary temples." This is where we lack. We focus on building empty Gurudwaras and totally ignore the people and their soul.
It's funny how when you're alive no one wants to look at your face but once you're dead everyone comes running to pray for you.Too little too late.These guys needed help and religious guidance a long time ago.
I know the effects of alcohol personally and can vouch for the destruction and anger it fuels. I am willing to bet that the perpetrators of this massacre are in deep regret right now crying their eyes out once they sober down.
Why is it so hard for sangat to pressure their Gurudwara managements to allocate funds for battling alcohol and drugs? Addiction therapy courses are so prevalent these days,especially in the west where people can train themselves to be a counsellor.

Veer ji you are right it does suck especially as these people sold everything in India and end up like this is even more sad. 
 
I do remember a few years back of how these people were sleeping in bins and telephone booths during the winter which was really really sad to see as how they had to suffer in the freezing cold. And on the other side how much money was blown on nagar kirtains,building funds makes me feel angry about how nobody at the gurdwara  helps these people.

You need to refer to radhasoami camp for advice. I don't recommend you do your own pic n mix with guidance.   What we try to discuss/advise on here, is as per gurmat. This gurmat is what we understand and interpret to the best of our knowledge.  The major difference between gurmat and other schools like radhasoami is that they don't focus on "dhun".  Dhun's origin is at the navel and we go upwards from there via heart/hirda chakra. If you don't do hirda stimulation/activation, then your pyaar is not parpatt or pakha. Guru Nanak ji  showed us the beauty of "sift salah" and singing the gunn and bhajans of Nirankar. This is why  kirtan has a huge role in sikhi. One can reach extreme heights thru love and heart meditation via kirtan praising alone. Radhasoami's don't follow this method and believe that they should start above the throat chakras.  Whether this works or not, is not my concern, but it doesn't make sense to me. Also, gurmat doesn't have "naam daan" you mention.
You have too keep your legs in one boat. If you try and cross the river with one leg in one boat and the other in an adjacent boat, soon enough, the boats will diverge away and no longer be flowing parallel. You will just sink in the middle because legs will be spread too far apart to get back in any boat.
 

Hello. I’m 18 now. I have been doing meditation for two weeks now, after watching Sandeep Maheshwari’s basic meditation video on YouTube. When I meditate, I listen to the high frequency type sound ringing in my ears, along with another sound that I can’t really describe. To relate to the best, it’s like the sound of rain. 
I follow Radha Soami Satsang Beas. Naam Daan is given to sangat older than 25 yrs of age. I was just wondering, should I continue doing meditation without naam daan? I’ve built an interest in spirituality in a short period of time and I’m confused now. Pls someone guide me. 

I cannot speak for anyone else but a brahgyani told me that sex should only be used for reproduction. After a few years the reason for this became clear. Even arousal uses pran. Higher stages of meditation cannot become stable unless pran is stable. A great deal of pran is expelled during arousal and intercourse, and those who have strong desire for spiritual progress will try to abstain once they experience the effect and impact.
 
Of course, abstinence isn't for everyone, but we shouldn't make assumptions without understanding purpose and how this machine (body) works.
 
Lust is a big struggle for many of us. Myself included. Even swapan dosh ruins meditation for a while. Many lifetimes of dirt needs to be washed away before we start making real progress.

Practically there is no way to become celibate.
it is only by His kirpa, that one can overcome not only kaam, but also conquer the rest of the 5 chor.
As the Bani beautiifully tells us in few words: Sarab rog ka aukhad Naam.
Meditate on His Name, and you shall get rid of all your maladies.
At some other place, Bani also tells us : Prabh ka Simran, man kee mael jaae.
Kaam is dirt on the mind, which can only be removed with the water of meditation and the soap  of His Name.
Sat Sree Akal.

@akalpurkh - Pm me (if you want) and answer the following question.
Do you believe in all Gurbani (Sri Aad Guru Granth Sahib jee Maharaaj, Sri Dasam Granth Sahib jee and Sri Sarabloh Granth Sahib jee and other Gurbanis)?
If not, Daas is not interested in having any veechar with you.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Sri Satguru jee does not need to engage in any sexual activity, in order to create children. They were the incarnation of the Almighty Waheguru, not mere humans like me. They can create and destroy in an instant.
 
ਹਰਨ ਭਰਨ ਜਾ ਕਾ ਨੇਤ੍ਰ ਫੋਰੁ ॥
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Who said that Satguru jee made a mistake?
IMHO, Baba jee was never against Raag Kirtan, as he was a Gurmukh Brahamgyani. He was the Sikh of Maharaaj. If he preferred non-raag style, it is his wish, He had the freedom to do so.
In the end - Love and devotion will matter, not which style of Kirtan, a person used to sing.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Bro, there is plenty of reference to Saints in Gurbani. You cannot run away from the facts.
One can connect with the Almighty Waheguru directly too through Gurbani, but it is very very very tough to do so. 
Easy method - Saadh Sangat - Sangat of Saints/Gurmukhs/Sadhus.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

The instructions you mentioned probably specific for one person as the person might have asked a specific question to which he got a specific answer. Someone just happened to spread that saakhi and it got published in the book & someone shared it here later with noble intentions.
I am at no level to analyze the lives of Gurus & Saints so I cannot answer any of your questions. My advise would be to stop worrying about Qoum & Saints so much instead focus on yourself & family. You will waste your energy unnecessarily.

how is this disgusting and insult ? can u explain ?

Talk to any mahapurash , chardeekala sant , or chardeekala damdami sikh , and ask them about Guru ji's , u will get the same answer that they were nirlep from this maya . They didn't go through the process that we go through to produce kids .

And some things don't need to be explained in Gurbani . They are known by only brahmgyanis .

For eg :
Bhagt Dhanna ji had the kamai of his previous 1100 janams . That 's y he could have darshan of God from a pathar .

Now tell me where in gurbani its written , that He had kamai of 1100 janams . this was told by Brahmgyami Sant Gurbachan Singh Ji Khalsa .


Similarly , some facts don't have to be based on Gurbani .
Bachans of Brahmgyanis are enough .

Gurbani Says :

"Kaam Krodh Sareer Ko Gaale"

Even though its sex with your partner , its still Kaam . Kaam is bad for your health .

That's why married gursikhs ( true gursikhs ) keep it very moderate .

That's y people these days don't have long ages . due to Kaam ( some exceptions exist )

very interesting !!

Once Baba Nand Singh Ji told this saakhi to a sikh :

After Guru Nanak Dev Ji got married , he remained busy in preaching NAAM . A long time passed . Once Bebe Naanki Ji ( Guru Nanak Dev Ji's Sister ) prayed to Guru Ji that she wants to play with his nephews or nieces meaning that he should have some children now . Guru Ji gave two cloves to Bebe Naanki Ji as a prashad and asked her to give it to Mata Sulakhni Ji ( Guru ji's wife ) . Then Mata ji gave birth to 2 sons .

I mean to say that our Guru jis didn't have to do the process that we do for giving birth to children . Gurus and brahmgyanis are nirlep from this maya . They can do anything with their POWER .

i think its basically for starting your family by having kids

but then again i can't think of anything prohibting u from making love with your partner .

@paapiman it would be nice to read the full story, could you please post it?

literal meaning of celibate is to control your desires and don't have physical relationship .

A married couple can be a celibate as well , while having physical relationship . ( and obviously they have to follow rehit maryada )

Once a gursikh asked Baba Nand Singh Ji , how can he becoma a celibate while being married ?

He answered :
for a grahsti 2 children are enough .

have relationship only once in a whole year .

if u still can't control ur self , make it once in 6 months i.e. twice in a year

if u still can't do it , make it once a month .

if u still can't control ur self , do it once a week ( on tuesday , between 11 pm to 1 am )

and the next day in the morning , take a kesi ishnan .

And if you still can't control it , then you are not a sikh of Guru Nanak , U r a vishayi ( a person engrossed in sensual pleasures )

Reference: Life Stories of Great Sikh Saints by Dr.Hakam Singh
 
Bhul chuk maaf

An Anecdote from the life of Srimaan 108 Sant Baba Nand Singh jee Kaleranwale:
 

 
Reference: Life Stories of Great Sikh Saints by Dr.Hakam Singh
 
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