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Arsh1469 got a reaction from Premi in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
I originally made this on Sikhsangat time to post it here.
Part 1
I have started reading my english tika by Sant ji and it is very deep. I will quote some parts I really liked.
The Importance of Japji Sahib
Kavi Santhok Singh Ji says about Japji Sahib In the way a rice husk is useless without a grain of rice, a Sikh is useless without having memorized Japji Sahib.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji says to Guru Angad Dev Ji those who recite Japji Sahib with their heart will gain a seat close to me.
Guru Ji also says The individual who forgets Jap Ji knowing it divinity is commiting sucide by jumping into the lowest pits of hell
When Guru Tegh Bhadur was going to acced to sachkhand he recited Japji Sahib and his head came off even before he was executed.
I have not told all the stories as I want to focus on the main katha.
Japji Sahib Katha
An Introduction
One time a Sikh asked Guru Gobind Singh Ji what type of an avtar is Guru Nanak. According to the Hindu belief there are 6 types of avtars they are the following
Ansa Avtar
An avtar who is a Dharmic Raja.
Avesha Avtar
An avtar to give darshan to his devotees.
Nit Avtar
God as a Sant or Mahapurkh
Namitak Avtar
Avtars like Narsingh and Bawan who came to protect Vahgurus Bhagats
Puran Avtar
An Avtar whohas 16 divine attributes and characteristics (Only Krishna)
Puran Tam Avtar
Is only the Guru Sahibs as the Guru needed no teacher to teach them.
According to Bhindran Sampardama They are the following
Ansa Avtar
A Dharm Raja like Manu
Avesha Avtar
An Avtar not born with powers but through meditation gains them. Example is Parasram(Parasram means Ram with an axe. He destroyed corrupt kings and destroyed ego.
Kalka Avtar
An avtar who has some powers and has only one thing to do. Example Mach avtar who used 2 of the 16 powers to save the Vedas
Nit Avtar
An avtar as a Sant or Bahgat
Namit Avtar
An avtar that disappears after doing his one task. Example Narsingh avtar.
Puran Avtar
Ram and Krishna. Ran had 14 powers while Krishna had all 16
Tye 16 qualities are the following
Knowledge, Attention, Virtiuous Acts, Persistence, Moderation, Righteousness, Charity, Skill, Meditation, Loving acts, contol over lust, Spiritualism, mecy, Solemn Promise, intelligence and a Clear Mind
The 16 powers are
Earth, water, fire, wind, sky, Vital air for breathing, organs, name of god, actions, faith, place in society, devotion, Incantation, deaire, semen and physique
The the sangat asked is Guru Nanak a Puran avtar or not.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji said Guru Nanak Was Greater then a Puran avtar
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
I originally made this on Sikhsangat time to post it here.
Part 1
I have started reading my english tika by Sant ji and it is very deep. I will quote some parts I really liked.
The Importance of Japji Sahib
Kavi Santhok Singh Ji says about Japji Sahib In the way a rice husk is useless without a grain of rice, a Sikh is useless without having memorized Japji Sahib.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji says to Guru Angad Dev Ji those who recite Japji Sahib with their heart will gain a seat close to me.
Guru Ji also says The individual who forgets Jap Ji knowing it divinity is commiting sucide by jumping into the lowest pits of hell
When Guru Tegh Bhadur was going to acced to sachkhand he recited Japji Sahib and his head came off even before he was executed.
I have not told all the stories as I want to focus on the main katha.
Japji Sahib Katha
An Introduction
One time a Sikh asked Guru Gobind Singh Ji what type of an avtar is Guru Nanak. According to the Hindu belief there are 6 types of avtars they are the following
Ansa Avtar
An avtar who is a Dharmic Raja.
Avesha Avtar
An avtar to give darshan to his devotees.
Nit Avtar
God as a Sant or Mahapurkh
Namitak Avtar
Avtars like Narsingh and Bawan who came to protect Vahgurus Bhagats
Puran Avtar
An Avtar whohas 16 divine attributes and characteristics (Only Krishna)
Puran Tam Avtar
Is only the Guru Sahibs as the Guru needed no teacher to teach them.
According to Bhindran Sampardama They are the following
Ansa Avtar
A Dharm Raja like Manu
Avesha Avtar
An Avtar not born with powers but through meditation gains them. Example is Parasram(Parasram means Ram with an axe. He destroyed corrupt kings and destroyed ego.
Kalka Avtar
An avtar who has some powers and has only one thing to do. Example Mach avtar who used 2 of the 16 powers to save the Vedas
Nit Avtar
An avtar as a Sant or Bahgat
Namit Avtar
An avtar that disappears after doing his one task. Example Narsingh avtar.
Puran Avtar
Ram and Krishna. Ran had 14 powers while Krishna had all 16
Tye 16 qualities are the following
Knowledge, Attention, Virtiuous Acts, Persistence, Moderation, Righteousness, Charity, Skill, Meditation, Loving acts, contol over lust, Spiritualism, mecy, Solemn Promise, intelligence and a Clear Mind
The 16 powers are
Earth, water, fire, wind, sky, Vital air for breathing, organs, name of god, actions, faith, place in society, devotion, Incantation, deaire, semen and physique
The the sangat asked is Guru Nanak a Puran avtar or not.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji said Guru Nanak Was Greater then a Puran avtar
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from Premi in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
Guru Nanak is Greater then a Puran avtar
Guru Gobind Singh Ji went on to explain the five attributes
1 Shakti
Ram showed his powers to his mother. When his mother went to pray to Devi he replaced the image with an image of himself. To show his powers.
Krishna too did this. Krishna pretended to eat dirt so when his mother forced him to spit it out she saw his mouth and saw the whole world. The entire universe.
Guru Nanak had a different miracle. At amrit vela all the devi devta came to worship Guru Mahraj. He was put on a throne like a Maharaja. He was given massages with sandalwood. They placed flowers around his neck. They said To Mahraj ji "O protector of meek you are the true king. You are Vahguru in a Sargun roop. You will save the world and humanity. You are the protector of Devi Devta."
At this point Mata Tripta awoke who was around her son. All the Devi Devta disappeared. She saw Guru Ji in Saffron and sandalwood all over him. The smell was overwhelming. She now lnew Guru Nanak was Vahguru. To pervent his mother from finding out he put maya in his moms mind. Then Guru Ji started to cry. Mata ji forgot everything that happened.
For this reason Guru Ji can't be called less then Ram and Krishna.
He is greater because he has more then the 16 powers and abilities.
Once a cobra gave shade to Guru Nanak while he was sleeping. Once a tree gave shade even though it broke logic as teh sun was in the opposite direction. Also Guru Nanak moved Kaaba. Guru Ji stopped a Rock.
Other avtars used miracles to boost their popularity and ego Guru Nanak used them to guide people and save them. He never did miracles to boost his own ego.
He used them to destroy ego.
Krishna had 16 powers Guru Nanak had infinite.
2 Viakti
Guru Nanak is greater then all other avtars. Ram and Krishna cut their hair in their lives. Not even in his youth did Guru Ji even dream of cutting hair. When Ram meet some royal maidens they tried to marry Ram but Ram said he will satisfy their needs in Dwapar. ( Fun Fact Satjug the Golden age is 1,728,000 years long Treta the silver age is 1,296,000 years long Dwapar the bronze age is 864,000 years long Kaljug the iron age is 432,000 years long. Numbers are from Adhyatam Parkash)
In Dwapar the maidens became Gopis and Krishna had sexual relations with many of them.
Both Ram and Krishna could not eradicate Lust.
When Guru Nanak went to Sri Lanka the beautiful women tried to enchant Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Guru Nanak destroyed their lust through Gurbani. The began to Jap Naam and became Gursikhs
The shabad Guru Nanak says is on ang 1187 of SGGS.
Guru Nanak did not fallen lust he destroyed it.
3 Pragya
Ram made Rishi Vashisht his vidya guru. He spent 64 days with him. He then spent 8 days with Rishi Vishwamitar.
Krishna made Rishi Darbasha his vidya guru. He soent 8 days with him. He then spent 64 days with Rishi Sandipan.
For Guru Nanak the teachers did not teach him he taught them. Gur Nanak needed no Vidya Guru. He learned Shastar Vidya by himself and taught Baba Buddha Ji who would teach Guru Hargobind shastar vidya when the time was right.
4 Kartab
Ram lived 10,000 years. He only did miracles when he was in exile. Ram made a promise that no kid should die before his parents. A son of a Brhaman later died. He acused Ram of liying and having now power. Ram said the child died because of a low caste person meditating in the jungle. Ram beheaded the low caste person.
By accident Ram fought against his 2 kids his entire army including Ram was killed. Sita later brought him back to life. Still Ram gave his reign to his children due to his attachment.
Krishna after killing the Kans named his maternal grandfather king as he had attachment towards his family.
Guru Namak however spemt the firs 28 years of their life working then were brought to Sachkhand where he was given the Mool Mantar. He never did Ustat of anyone other the Vahguru. Guru Nanak rather then killing evil people enlightened them and saved them. Unlike avtars of Vishnu.
(Fun fact Vishnu has 4 arms which all have symbolic and metaphorical menaings. First a conch shell in the upper left hand. This represents Oangkar which led to the creation of life and of Vishnu. Second a spinning disc called a chakra. It is in the upper right hand and represents destroying a persons ignorance and giving Gian. Thirdly a mace in the lower left hand. This is to represent spiritual power and to uplift purity. Finally in the right bottem hand is a lotus flower. Thsi is to represent liberation and being attached to nothing)
He had no attachment to hsi children and didn't pass the Gurgaddi to them. He made people Sants regardless of Race, cast, gender etc.
During Guru Amardas Ji's life no one in Gobindwal died of anything.
Ram live 10,000 years Krishna lived 1,000 years. Both barely traveled. Guru Nanak in 70 years nearly traveled the entire old world (Old world being Europe, Asia and Africa. Som say Australia too) Guru Nanak did so much Parchar in 70 years and gave the mantar of Sachkhand (Mool Mantar)
Guru Nanak was like no other avtar
The samgat then asked for authenticity the Guru Ji said
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Part 3
Guru Nanak authenticity
1) Vedic Authenticity
There is much proof written in many scriptures predicting Guru Nanak
Examples are Gopal Tapni Upanishad, Bhagwat Purana Etc.
Gopal Tapni Upanishad says
I pay my salutations to the one God who is the form of supreme truth, supreme consciousness amd complete bliss. He is the one who rescues all from distress; he is understood by the Vednats and the Vedas. He is the supreme Guru and is the witness within the heart of everyone
Bhavishat Purana says
The Guru is Brhama, the Guru is Vishnu and the Guru is Shiv. God is the supreme Guru to all and gives all the same great teachings. I pay salutations to the Supreme Guru
(Brhama is believed to be 100 Brhama years old which means 311 TRILLION HUMAN YEARS
OLD. He has 4 heada to represent the Vedas and the objects in his hands have meanings too like Vishnu. First a spoon which is used to pour butter in ceremonies. Second is a coconut or water vessel to remind a person that water is likethe ether that surrounds a persond during pregnancy. Thirdly is a Lotus flower to show he is forever mediating on the lord (My own interpretation is that the lotus flower is to show he resides bowing on Gods lotus feet) Finally is the Vedas)
Guru Nanak was also predicted by Rishi Ved Vyas who wrote 12 saloks in the 28 Adhyai Bhavishat Puran. The texts says on Adhyai 28
In the future when all Dharam is lost in the age of Kaljug. 33. Then there will be a requirement for one to protect those from the invaders. In the future the great Bedi clan will give rise to Guru Nanak. 34.
2) Lokik Authenticity
People from Guru Nanak's time saying he is the messenger of God.
In almost every // Bhai Gurdas Ji says Guru Nanak is a messenger of God. Also in SGGS the Bhatts write of Guru Nanak being a messager of God. Also Brham Parkash by Pir Shamas says
Sri Guru Nanak gained peace. He contemplated on the words of God. I practiced it with convection. 47.
With so much evidence we 100% know Guru Nanak is true and bigger then a Puran avtar. But Guru Gobind Singh Ji still gives one more huge piece of evidence.
3) Savi Authenticity
Words wrriten from the Gurus following Guru Nanak
Guru Ji then quoted Ang 53, 750 and 850
This evidence proves Guru Nanak is not a Devi Devta Guru Nanak is God.
Ram was the Avtar of Power. He is attributed to truth.
Krishna was the Avtar of passion and royalty. He married 16,108 Gopis and a large amount of India is related to him as he had 161,080 sons and 16,108 daughters. Totalling 177,188 children.
(Fun fact the reason that Krishna married so many Gopis is because in their previous life they did ardas that they will be able to marry Vishnu)
Parasram was the avtar of darkness and evil.
They all possed one of the three main virtues.
Guru Nanak possesed them all.
After this the sangat asked why did Guru Nanak come and why did he create Jap Ji sahib.
Guru Nanak came in the the worst moments of Kaljug. God came his self as even Vishnu could not save the world from Kaljug.
Guru Ji then said there are four main corner stones of religion.
1) Raja Lok
Thses are kings who uphold divine command. However in Kaljug they were all corrupt
The state was so bad kings started to destroy other religious temples and replace it with their religions.
They were not Dharmic Kings they were tryants.
2) Tirath
Tirath means place of worship. And at these places the name of God and Dharam had disappeared. People who vist these places boast about it and increase their own ego.
3) Mahatama.
The true Sants were gone and the Sants were corrupt and fake making people worrship them.
4) Brahman
Brahmans were meant to uphold the words of Brahma but became corrupt. Brahmans now days just smoke and commit sins.
Due to these sins the earth transformed itself to the form of a cow and meet the Devta of mercy. They both went to see Brahma in order to gain assistance. Brahma said he can do nothing.
They went to Vishnu and he said
"I have come many times and will come again at the end of Kaljug. I am unable to help now as I am too weak. You must ask Akal for help."
All the Devi Devta representing the people came and made a plea for help.
God said "I have sent many people to preach the truth though they all fell to their ego. I will come in 10 forms. In 8 of the 10 forms I will use the metaphorical sword of holy word to destroy falsehood. In 2 I will use the literal sword."
Brahma asked where and to who will you be born.
God said he will be born in Talwandi to Baba Kalu Jia and Mata Tripta Ji.
Then at full moon on 1469 CE Guru Nanak was Born.
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
Part 4
Creation of Japji Sahib
One day while Guru Nanak Dev Ji was at Kartarpur Bhai Lehnna Ji who would be Guru Angad. Mahraj did seva of the sangat. They asked him four questions. Those were
1. What path does your religion take
2. What is the mantra you use for the name of God
3. What is your Mool Mantar
4. What is your Mala Mantra
To the first one Mahraj said there faith focused on the worship of Vahguru.
To the second he said we use the name Vahguru.
(Fun fact Maha Sant and Sarbloh Bani says that Vava comes from Brahma who created the Mantar of Vasnudev. Haha from Manu Raja (Son of Brahma) He gave the Mantar of HarHar. Gaga from Rishi Vyas who gave the mantar of Govind and lastly Rara from Shankaracharya who gave the mantar of Ram. Then Guru Nanak came and gave the ultimate Vahguru Mantar)
Bhai Lehna did not know the answer to 3 and 4 so he asked Guru Nanak. To 3 Guru Ji says that the roots of the Mool Mantar are from Vahguru.
And finally Guru Ji says our Mala Mantra is Japji Sahib which is mostaly conversations with the holy men. (Sidhs)
Katha
Basic Translation
Ik = One with no equals Oankar = Gives Gian(Knowledge)
There is one Vahgir who Gives Gian and no one is even near the leval of Vahguru
Sat = indestructible
God cannot be destroyed
Nam = well known
The name of God is well known.
Karta = Creator of all
God created everything including the universe
Purkh = complete
God is complete
Nirbhou = no fear
God is fearless
Nirvair = No enmity
God is without enmity
Akal = immortal
God does not fall into death
Murat = form
The form of God is immortal
Ajuni = exempt from transmigration
God is exempt from transmigration
Sai Bhan = Self enlightened
God is self enlightened
Gur = Perceptive and conscious
God is the form of perceptive and conscious being
Parsad = Supreme Bliss
God is the form of Supreme bliss
Jap = referring to the name of the path
Originally called Jap Sahib or Jap Nisan
Aad = Primal beginning Sach = truth
God was true at the start before creation
Jugad = Numerous ages Sach = Truth
God has been true through the 4 jugs and the jugs before
Hai bhi = still is Sach = Truth
God is still true right now
Nanak = Guru Nanak says Hosi Bhi = in the future Sach = truth
Guru Nanak says God in the future will remain true and the form of truth
Deep definition 1
Guru Nanak on their travels to save the world from Kaljug went to Mount Sumer. Where he meet 84 Sidhs and there leader Gorakh Nath. The Sidhs asked Guru Ji what power brought him here.
Guru Nanak said "O, Sidhs. I have come here with the strength of the almighty lord who is known as Ik Oankar."
The Sidhs said "According to teh Vedas the name of God is Aum. Why have you used Ik Oankar."
Guru Nanak said Aum stands for the trinity. Each of whom represent attribute of Maya. Which are Passion, truth and darkness. They represent illusion. Due to this we have created Ik Oankar. The numral 1 to show there is one God who has no equals. We have wrriten this due to there being 63 different terms for Oankar which cause contoversy in Hinduism. There are 3 different forms of God givien each with the form of the trinity, which become nine. There a 7 different knowledgeable people who have each given nine forms. That makes the total 63. (Sorry if the above was confusing)
They are
1. The first theory called the Hirangarb, which is created by Brahma. The names and forms of Oankar are Trimatra Rup Tribrahm Rup and Triakhar Rup (Tri for the trinity)
2. Kapal Muni says the names are Trigian Rup Trigun Rup Trikaran Rup
3. Aptar Muni says they are Trimukh Rup Tridevta Rup and Tripyarojan Rup
4. The order of Sanat Kumara are Trikal Rup Triling Rup and Trisangya Rup
5. Brahmnishant state the form are Tristhan Rup Tripad Rup and Tripragya Rup
6. The order of Shiva is Trai Avashta Rup Trai Bhog Rup and Trai Bhogata Rup
7. The order of Vaishnav's and Narad Muni is Triatama Rup Tri Subhav Rup and finalky Tribyhu Rup.
This is why Guru Nanak put a Ik as all had three showing duality.
The Christians believe God in three forms Holy Sprit, The father and The son
Muslims belive God in two forms which are God and the Prophet.
To be countined...
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from Kaur10 in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
Part 4
Creation of Japji Sahib
One day while Guru Nanak Dev Ji was at Kartarpur Bhai Lehnna Ji who would be Guru Angad. Mahraj did seva of the sangat. They asked him four questions. Those were
1. What path does your religion take
2. What is the mantra you use for the name of God
3. What is your Mool Mantar
4. What is your Mala Mantra
To the first one Mahraj said there faith focused on the worship of Vahguru.
To the second he said we use the name Vahguru.
(Fun fact Maha Sant and Sarbloh Bani says that Vava comes from Brahma who created the Mantar of Vasnudev. Haha from Manu Raja (Son of Brahma) He gave the Mantar of HarHar. Gaga from Rishi Vyas who gave the mantar of Govind and lastly Rara from Shankaracharya who gave the mantar of Ram. Then Guru Nanak came and gave the ultimate Vahguru Mantar)
Bhai Lehna did not know the answer to 3 and 4 so he asked Guru Nanak. To 3 Guru Ji says that the roots of the Mool Mantar are from Vahguru.
And finally Guru Ji says our Mala Mantra is Japji Sahib which is mostaly conversations with the holy men. (Sidhs)
Katha
Basic Translation
Ik = One with no equals Oankar = Gives Gian(Knowledge)
There is one Vahgir who Gives Gian and no one is even near the leval of Vahguru
Sat = indestructible
God cannot be destroyed
Nam = well known
The name of God is well known.
Karta = Creator of all
God created everything including the universe
Purkh = complete
God is complete
Nirbhou = no fear
God is fearless
Nirvair = No enmity
God is without enmity
Akal = immortal
God does not fall into death
Murat = form
The form of God is immortal
Ajuni = exempt from transmigration
God is exempt from transmigration
Sai Bhan = Self enlightened
God is self enlightened
Gur = Perceptive and conscious
God is the form of perceptive and conscious being
Parsad = Supreme Bliss
God is the form of Supreme bliss
Jap = referring to the name of the path
Originally called Jap Sahib or Jap Nisan
Aad = Primal beginning Sach = truth
God was true at the start before creation
Jugad = Numerous ages Sach = Truth
God has been true through the 4 jugs and the jugs before
Hai bhi = still is Sach = Truth
God is still true right now
Nanak = Guru Nanak says Hosi Bhi = in the future Sach = truth
Guru Nanak says God in the future will remain true and the form of truth
Deep definition 1
Guru Nanak on their travels to save the world from Kaljug went to Mount Sumer. Where he meet 84 Sidhs and there leader Gorakh Nath. The Sidhs asked Guru Ji what power brought him here.
Guru Nanak said "O, Sidhs. I have come here with the strength of the almighty lord who is known as Ik Oankar."
The Sidhs said "According to teh Vedas the name of God is Aum. Why have you used Ik Oankar."
Guru Nanak said Aum stands for the trinity. Each of whom represent attribute of Maya. Which are Passion, truth and darkness. They represent illusion. Due to this we have created Ik Oankar. The numral 1 to show there is one God who has no equals. We have wrriten this due to there being 63 different terms for Oankar which cause contoversy in Hinduism. There are 3 different forms of God givien each with the form of the trinity, which become nine. There a 7 different knowledgeable people who have each given nine forms. That makes the total 63. (Sorry if the above was confusing)
They are
1. The first theory called the Hirangarb, which is created by Brahma. The names and forms of Oankar are Trimatra Rup Tribrahm Rup and Triakhar Rup (Tri for the trinity)
2. Kapal Muni says the names are Trigian Rup Trigun Rup Trikaran Rup
3. Aptar Muni says they are Trimukh Rup Tridevta Rup and Tripyarojan Rup
4. The order of Sanat Kumara are Trikal Rup Triling Rup and Trisangya Rup
5. Brahmnishant state the form are Tristhan Rup Tripad Rup and Tripragya Rup
6. The order of Shiva is Trai Avashta Rup Trai Bhog Rup and Trai Bhogata Rup
7. The order of Vaishnav's and Narad Muni is Triatama Rup Tri Subhav Rup and finalky Tribyhu Rup.
This is why Guru Nanak put a Ik as all had three showing duality.
The Christians believe God in three forms Holy Sprit, The father and The son
Muslims belive God in two forms which are God and the Prophet.
To be countined...
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from Kaur10 in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
Part 3
Guru Nanak authenticity
1) Vedic Authenticity
There is much proof written in many scriptures predicting Guru Nanak
Examples are Gopal Tapni Upanishad, Bhagwat Purana Etc.
Gopal Tapni Upanishad says
I pay my salutations to the one God who is the form of supreme truth, supreme consciousness amd complete bliss. He is the one who rescues all from distress; he is understood by the Vednats and the Vedas. He is the supreme Guru and is the witness within the heart of everyone
Bhavishat Purana says
The Guru is Brhama, the Guru is Vishnu and the Guru is Shiv. God is the supreme Guru to all and gives all the same great teachings. I pay salutations to the Supreme Guru
(Brhama is believed to be 100 Brhama years old which means 311 TRILLION HUMAN YEARS
OLD. He has 4 heada to represent the Vedas and the objects in his hands have meanings too like Vishnu. First a spoon which is used to pour butter in ceremonies. Second is a coconut or water vessel to remind a person that water is likethe ether that surrounds a persond during pregnancy. Thirdly is a Lotus flower to show he is forever mediating on the lord (My own interpretation is that the lotus flower is to show he resides bowing on Gods lotus feet) Finally is the Vedas)
Guru Nanak was also predicted by Rishi Ved Vyas who wrote 12 saloks in the 28 Adhyai Bhavishat Puran. The texts says on Adhyai 28
In the future when all Dharam is lost in the age of Kaljug. 33. Then there will be a requirement for one to protect those from the invaders. In the future the great Bedi clan will give rise to Guru Nanak. 34.
2) Lokik Authenticity
People from Guru Nanak's time saying he is the messenger of God.
In almost every // Bhai Gurdas Ji says Guru Nanak is a messenger of God. Also in SGGS the Bhatts write of Guru Nanak being a messager of God. Also Brham Parkash by Pir Shamas says
Sri Guru Nanak gained peace. He contemplated on the words of God. I practiced it with convection. 47.
With so much evidence we 100% know Guru Nanak is true and bigger then a Puran avtar. But Guru Gobind Singh Ji still gives one more huge piece of evidence.
3) Savi Authenticity
Words wrriten from the Gurus following Guru Nanak
Guru Ji then quoted Ang 53, 750 and 850
This evidence proves Guru Nanak is not a Devi Devta Guru Nanak is God.
Ram was the Avtar of Power. He is attributed to truth.
Krishna was the Avtar of passion and royalty. He married 16,108 Gopis and a large amount of India is related to him as he had 161,080 sons and 16,108 daughters. Totalling 177,188 children.
(Fun fact the reason that Krishna married so many Gopis is because in their previous life they did ardas that they will be able to marry Vishnu)
Parasram was the avtar of darkness and evil.
They all possed one of the three main virtues.
Guru Nanak possesed them all.
After this the sangat asked why did Guru Nanak come and why did he create Jap Ji sahib.
Guru Nanak came in the the worst moments of Kaljug. God came his self as even Vishnu could not save the world from Kaljug.
Guru Ji then said there are four main corner stones of religion.
1) Raja Lok
Thses are kings who uphold divine command. However in Kaljug they were all corrupt
The state was so bad kings started to destroy other religious temples and replace it with their religions.
They were not Dharmic Kings they were tryants.
2) Tirath
Tirath means place of worship. And at these places the name of God and Dharam had disappeared. People who vist these places boast about it and increase their own ego.
3) Mahatama.
The true Sants were gone and the Sants were corrupt and fake making people worrship them.
4) Brahman
Brahmans were meant to uphold the words of Brahma but became corrupt. Brahmans now days just smoke and commit sins.
Due to these sins the earth transformed itself to the form of a cow and meet the Devta of mercy. They both went to see Brahma in order to gain assistance. Brahma said he can do nothing.
They went to Vishnu and he said
"I have come many times and will come again at the end of Kaljug. I am unable to help now as I am too weak. You must ask Akal for help."
All the Devi Devta representing the people came and made a plea for help.
God said "I have sent many people to preach the truth though they all fell to their ego. I will come in 10 forms. In 8 of the 10 forms I will use the metaphorical sword of holy word to destroy falsehood. In 2 I will use the literal sword."
Brahma asked where and to who will you be born.
God said he will be born in Talwandi to Baba Kalu Jia and Mata Tripta Ji.
Then at full moon on 1469 CE Guru Nanak was Born.
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from Ragmaala in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
I originally made this on Sikhsangat time to post it here.
Part 1
I have started reading my english tika by Sant ji and it is very deep. I will quote some parts I really liked.
The Importance of Japji Sahib
Kavi Santhok Singh Ji says about Japji Sahib In the way a rice husk is useless without a grain of rice, a Sikh is useless without having memorized Japji Sahib.
Guru Nanak Dev Ji says to Guru Angad Dev Ji those who recite Japji Sahib with their heart will gain a seat close to me.
Guru Ji also says The individual who forgets Jap Ji knowing it divinity is commiting sucide by jumping into the lowest pits of hell
When Guru Tegh Bhadur was going to acced to sachkhand he recited Japji Sahib and his head came off even before he was executed.
I have not told all the stories as I want to focus on the main katha.
Japji Sahib Katha
An Introduction
One time a Sikh asked Guru Gobind Singh Ji what type of an avtar is Guru Nanak. According to the Hindu belief there are 6 types of avtars they are the following
Ansa Avtar
An avtar who is a Dharmic Raja.
Avesha Avtar
An avtar to give darshan to his devotees.
Nit Avtar
God as a Sant or Mahapurkh
Namitak Avtar
Avtars like Narsingh and Bawan who came to protect Vahgurus Bhagats
Puran Avtar
An Avtar whohas 16 divine attributes and characteristics (Only Krishna)
Puran Tam Avtar
Is only the Guru Sahibs as the Guru needed no teacher to teach them.
According to Bhindran Sampardama They are the following
Ansa Avtar
A Dharm Raja like Manu
Avesha Avtar
An Avtar not born with powers but through meditation gains them. Example is Parasram(Parasram means Ram with an axe. He destroyed corrupt kings and destroyed ego.
Kalka Avtar
An avtar who has some powers and has only one thing to do. Example Mach avtar who used 2 of the 16 powers to save the Vedas
Nit Avtar
An avtar as a Sant or Bahgat
Namit Avtar
An avtar that disappears after doing his one task. Example Narsingh avtar.
Puran Avtar
Ram and Krishna. Ran had 14 powers while Krishna had all 16
Tye 16 qualities are the following
Knowledge, Attention, Virtiuous Acts, Persistence, Moderation, Righteousness, Charity, Skill, Meditation, Loving acts, contol over lust, Spiritualism, mecy, Solemn Promise, intelligence and a Clear Mind
The 16 powers are
Earth, water, fire, wind, sky, Vital air for breathing, organs, name of god, actions, faith, place in society, devotion, Incantation, deaire, semen and physique
The the sangat asked is Guru Nanak a Puran avtar or not.
Guru Gobind Singh Ji said Guru Nanak Was Greater then a Puran avtar
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from GurjantGnostic in Sant Gurbachan Singh Mool Mantar
Guru Nanak is Greater then a Puran avtar
Guru Gobind Singh Ji went on to explain the five attributes
1 Shakti
Ram showed his powers to his mother. When his mother went to pray to Devi he replaced the image with an image of himself. To show his powers.
Krishna too did this. Krishna pretended to eat dirt so when his mother forced him to spit it out she saw his mouth and saw the whole world. The entire universe.
Guru Nanak had a different miracle. At amrit vela all the devi devta came to worship Guru Mahraj. He was put on a throne like a Maharaja. He was given massages with sandalwood. They placed flowers around his neck. They said To Mahraj ji "O protector of meek you are the true king. You are Vahguru in a Sargun roop. You will save the world and humanity. You are the protector of Devi Devta."
At this point Mata Tripta awoke who was around her son. All the Devi Devta disappeared. She saw Guru Ji in Saffron and sandalwood all over him. The smell was overwhelming. She now lnew Guru Nanak was Vahguru. To pervent his mother from finding out he put maya in his moms mind. Then Guru Ji started to cry. Mata ji forgot everything that happened.
For this reason Guru Ji can't be called less then Ram and Krishna.
He is greater because he has more then the 16 powers and abilities.
Once a cobra gave shade to Guru Nanak while he was sleeping. Once a tree gave shade even though it broke logic as teh sun was in the opposite direction. Also Guru Nanak moved Kaaba. Guru Ji stopped a Rock.
Other avtars used miracles to boost their popularity and ego Guru Nanak used them to guide people and save them. He never did miracles to boost his own ego.
He used them to destroy ego.
Krishna had 16 powers Guru Nanak had infinite.
2 Viakti
Guru Nanak is greater then all other avtars. Ram and Krishna cut their hair in their lives. Not even in his youth did Guru Ji even dream of cutting hair. When Ram meet some royal maidens they tried to marry Ram but Ram said he will satisfy their needs in Dwapar. ( Fun Fact Satjug the Golden age is 1,728,000 years long Treta the silver age is 1,296,000 years long Dwapar the bronze age is 864,000 years long Kaljug the iron age is 432,000 years long. Numbers are from Adhyatam Parkash)
In Dwapar the maidens became Gopis and Krishna had sexual relations with many of them.
Both Ram and Krishna could not eradicate Lust.
When Guru Nanak went to Sri Lanka the beautiful women tried to enchant Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Guru Nanak destroyed their lust through Gurbani. The began to Jap Naam and became Gursikhs
The shabad Guru Nanak says is on ang 1187 of SGGS.
Guru Nanak did not fallen lust he destroyed it.
3 Pragya
Ram made Rishi Vashisht his vidya guru. He spent 64 days with him. He then spent 8 days with Rishi Vishwamitar.
Krishna made Rishi Darbasha his vidya guru. He soent 8 days with him. He then spent 64 days with Rishi Sandipan.
For Guru Nanak the teachers did not teach him he taught them. Gur Nanak needed no Vidya Guru. He learned Shastar Vidya by himself and taught Baba Buddha Ji who would teach Guru Hargobind shastar vidya when the time was right.
4 Kartab
Ram lived 10,000 years. He only did miracles when he was in exile. Ram made a promise that no kid should die before his parents. A son of a Brhaman later died. He acused Ram of liying and having now power. Ram said the child died because of a low caste person meditating in the jungle. Ram beheaded the low caste person.
By accident Ram fought against his 2 kids his entire army including Ram was killed. Sita later brought him back to life. Still Ram gave his reign to his children due to his attachment.
Krishna after killing the Kans named his maternal grandfather king as he had attachment towards his family.
Guru Namak however spemt the firs 28 years of their life working then were brought to Sachkhand where he was given the Mool Mantar. He never did Ustat of anyone other the Vahguru. Guru Nanak rather then killing evil people enlightened them and saved them. Unlike avtars of Vishnu.
(Fun fact Vishnu has 4 arms which all have symbolic and metaphorical menaings. First a conch shell in the upper left hand. This represents Oangkar which led to the creation of life and of Vishnu. Second a spinning disc called a chakra. It is in the upper right hand and represents destroying a persons ignorance and giving Gian. Thirdly a mace in the lower left hand. This is to represent spiritual power and to uplift purity. Finally in the right bottem hand is a lotus flower. Thsi is to represent liberation and being attached to nothing)
He had no attachment to hsi children and didn't pass the Gurgaddi to them. He made people Sants regardless of Race, cast, gender etc.
During Guru Amardas Ji's life no one in Gobindwal died of anything.
Ram live 10,000 years Krishna lived 1,000 years. Both barely traveled. Guru Nanak in 70 years nearly traveled the entire old world (Old world being Europe, Asia and Africa. Som say Australia too) Guru Nanak did so much Parchar in 70 years and gave the mantar of Sachkhand (Mool Mantar)
Guru Nanak was like no other avtar
The samgat then asked for authenticity the Guru Ji said
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Arsh1469 reacted to chatanga1 in What do you think about giani thakur singh
Thakur Singh is a strange person to me. He is very well versed in Gurbani, as is expected from Taksalis. But in his katha he has a tendency to over exaggerate things rather than keep them simple. He also has a disposition to stray from katha and rambIe on . I stopped listening to him a long time ago before any of this Shubeg Singh or telephone call came out.
Absolutely. But unfortunately there are those who cannot see beyond their groupie status like our member angy.
And themselves misinterpret Gurbani to leave out the name of Nanak just to try and prove a point. These angy type fan boys can’t stand to debate any point.
Fan boy angy can’t even discuss his own stupidity here but can crawl out of his hole to point the finger at others.
Dhadri has done way more damage than Thakur Singh has ever done.
Satnaam.
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Arsh1469 reacted to Sat1176 in Shocking Video Of Thakur Singh Patiale Wale
I am so saddened to see this post. I hope it's another false allegation and there isn't any truth to it. If it's true then it will shatter so many hearts who look up to him and if its false god help these people who do such things.
It just reiterates that fact that one should use the teachings to directly connect with WaheGuru and not the messenger.
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Arsh1469 reacted to paapiman in What do you think about giani thakur singh
Irrespective of his personal life, he has brought forward many experiences of Naam abhiyasiye Singhs for the benefit of the sangat.
Bhul chuk maaf
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Arsh1469 reacted to paapiman in Kathavachaks
In current times,
Gyani Inderjeet Singh jee Raqbewale (IMHO, the best if various factors are taken into account)
Gyani Kulwant Singh jee (great for new spiritual aspirants and for people who have basic knowledge of Sikhsim)
Sant Makhan Singh jee Sato ki Gali
Gyani Thakur Singh jee
Gyani Harbhajan Singh jee Dhudikey
Sant Jagjit Singh jee Harkhowal
Bhul chuk maaf
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Arsh1469 reacted to mrhsinghk in Havan (Fire Ritual) Maryada
Veer ji you are right i personally don't agree with these views but i have found this so far
http://tisarpanth.blogspot.co.uk/2012/12/the-gurmukhs-chandi-gurmukhs-havan.html
and i will update more links when i find more information
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Arsh1469 reacted to paapiman in Havan (Fire Ritual) Maryada
Bro, these people might be associated with AKJ or following so-called SRM. We should avoid listening to such people as they can possibly create confusion in our minds.
Even Nihangs in the past used to do Havans.
Sri Satguru jee (Ninth Master) did Havans, while on tour in the eastern parts of India. (Ref - Sri Sooraj Prakash Granth)
Bhul chuk maaf
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Arsh1469 reacted to paapiman in Holi/Lohri in Sikhism
Any other source, other than wikipedia?
Did you listen to Sant jee (one of the greatest Sikh scholars) in the op?
Even Visakhi is celebrated on the 13th or 14th of each year.
Bhul chuk maaf
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Arsh1469 got a reaction from Premi in Reincarnation of past notable individuals
They came back as they were sent by Vahguru.
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Arsh1469 reacted to Khandaydhaar in Ways of doin Naam Simran....
now if our Gurus thought like dat we woudnt have sikhi or wud we of have?? we r not public, we are all a family of our Guru so wats there to hide? sharing knowledge will only increase it so wats da loss?
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Arsh1469 reacted to sarabatam in Manglacharan of Bhavrasamrit by Pandit Gulab Singh
Here are main mangal charans from bhavrasamrit. Is it possible please for anyone to compile all the sikhi mangal charans in the one thread? Please. Thank you.
Note: Credit goes to drawrof veeer as i don't have bhavrasamrit, he sent it to me via whatsapp. Can anyone direct me to get hard copy of this granth commentary by john tirath singh nirmala?
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Arsh1469 reacted to ragnarok in Reincarnation of past notable individuals
Sants' job is to join Sikhs to Guru Granth Sahib, not to come up with their own lineages. There is no tradition on Sikhi to choose a leader based on reincarnation or rebirth and the custom of going to an astrologer to trace your past life, future fortune etc is considered a waste of time and a maya trap. Guru Sahib repeats again and again that our job in this life is to Jap Naam and not be concerned about the past or future.
You denigrate oral tradition. Oral tradition is part of our culture, not everything is written. Part of the issue here is that you want something that you consider to be evidence based on a different culture. You're projecting British ideas on to Sikh culture.
If you want documentary evidence of reincarnation in general then refer to this long standing project at Vriginia Tech that documents statistically siginificant instances of reincarnation, i.e. cases that are mathematically impossible to have been faked. Children Who Report Memories of Previous Lives | Division of Perceptual Studies (virginia.edu)
From a Sikh perspective there is the Suleman tape documenting his journey from one human birth, to a non human birth and back to a human birth. The child that was born could remember his previous incarnation similar to the VT link above.
You claim not to understand English well and cannot read punjabi either. What is your background?
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Arsh1469 reacted to Mithar in Sarabloh Kavach
The following link contains Sarabloh Kavach
http://www.scribd.com/doc/50631587/Sarabloh-Kavach
It is from Sri Dasam Granth?
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Arsh1469 reacted to Kam1825 in Sarabloh Kavach
Bo its from the Sri Sarbloh Granth. I am sure it is on the mangalcharan site. There are three shields (Kavaches)
Ram Kavach - Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji
Brahm Kavach - I think this one can be found in some saropps of the Dasam Granth (also in gurbilas patshahi 6)
Sarbloh Kavach - Sarbloh granth
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Arsh1469 reacted to Gurpartap Singh Virk in Brahm kavach
Couple of mistakes in this poster.
Line 4
its ( ਬ੍ਰਹਿਮੀ )
Not ਬਹਿਮੀ
line 7
its ( ਪਾਨਕਾ )
Not ਪਾਲਕਾ
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Arsh1469 reacted to Xylitol in Brahm kavach
A friend of mine just met with Sant Jagjit Singh ji Harkhowalwale. He said it's okay to do paath of these kinds of Banis but don't do lots of repetitions without the appropriate viddhi. There is special viddhi for Brahm Kavach or Chandi di Var if your going to be doing tons of abhyaas of these. It's not for everyone. So speak to proper Mahapurkh before you start doing lots. These Banian are different than our regular nitnem Banis, the maryada for doing lots of abhyaas is much more sukt.
He mentioned, for example, that a singh came to him who had done chalisa of Chandi di Vaar without the appropriate viddhi. After about 20 days he came to see Baba ji b/c blood had started coming out of his stool, his nose, his mouth... There is a right way to go about doing these things so you should speak to a mahapurkh before beginning.
Baba ji is currently in Surrey BC and will be in Toronto in a few days.