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Bhai Randhir Singh was joking bro.

Baba Sawan Singh is talking about atma, which is Brahm Swaroop. Bhai Randhir Singh is making a joke on that atam gyan.

This joke does not reflect anyone's spirituality.

PS this type of joke is a common joke amongst spiritual folks. Especially advaidists - who believe that atma is parmatma.

Relevant pangtis on Ang 558 from Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
 
In a dream, He came, and went away again; I cried so many tears.
supnai aa-i-aa bhee ga-i-aa mai jal bhari-aa ro-ay.
   
I can`t come to You, O my Beloved, and I can`t send anyone to You.
aa-ay na sakaa tujh kan pi-aaray bhayj na sakaa ko-ay.
   
Come to me, O blessed sleep - perhaps I will see my Husband Lord again.
aa-o sabhaagee need-rhee-ay mat saho daykhaa so-ay.
 
Dhan Guru Nanak

Relevant pangtis on Ang 558 from Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji.
 
In a dream, He came, and went away again; I cried so many tears.
supnai aa-i-aa bhee ga-i-aa mai jal bhari-aa ro-ay.
   
I can`t come to You, O my Beloved, and I can`t send anyone to You.
aa-ay na sakaa tujh kan pi-aaray bhayj na sakaa ko-ay.
   
Come to me, O blessed sleep - perhaps I will see my Husband Lord again.
aa-o sabhaagee need-rhee-ay mat saho daykhaa so-ay.
 
Dhan Guru Nanak

I have been awake for a few hours now but the emotional response to this dream is profound. I am a emotional wreck and for reasons unbeknown to me I just want to be alone and cry. Just thinking about it causes the tears to flow.
 

Last night before I fell asleep I wrote that response to you saying I prefer to stick with naam simran above all else, even if it means keeping Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji feet out of Dhyan. I did not know if it was even right to say such a thing on this forum and was in two minds about whether I should reply to you or just keep quiet. What happened. Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji himself came in my dream. I'm won't go in the details of the dream but will say the dream ended at exactly that point where I placed my head underneath his charan and I'm crying like never before. I awoke from the dream physically crying and shaking due to the intensity of the experience.  Even as I write this the pain in my chest is still there and the tears continue to roll down. 
My what a strange journey of the mind this is. Even if it was a dream, being with Guru ji for that period of time was bliss and I am thankful.
Dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji. 

Last night before I fell asleep I wrote that response to you saying I prefer to stick with naam simran above all else, even if it means keeping Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji feet out of Dhyan. I did not know if it was even right to say such a thing on this forum and was in two minds about whether I should reply to you or just keep quiet. What happened. Sri Guru Nanak Dev ji himself came in my dream. I'm won't go in the details of the dream but will say the dream ended at exactly that point where I placed my head underneath his charan and I'm crying like never before. I awoke from the dream physically crying and shaking due to the intensity of the experience.  Even as I write this the pain in my chest is still there and the tears continue to roll down. 
My what a strange journey of the mind this is. Even if it was a dream, being with Guru ji for that period of time was bliss and I am thankful.
Dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji. 

I have been awake for a few hours now but the emotional response to this dream is profound. I am a emotional wreck and for reasons unbeknown to me I just want to be alone and cry. Just thinking about it causes the tears to flow.
 

Sat, that is a blessing.    In my experience and understanding, when Guru Gobind Singh ji comes, he gives a message or helps in some way to clear the path for you, But when Guru Nanak dev ji comes, he is reassuring you the presence and closeness of Nirankar.
ps... as long as you know that you are not going to form a bond and get tied up in the image,, I don't think it is a problem. You can use it to help catch the flow of naam current.   You are aware that the goal is to get to the first stages of "emptiness" in Samadhi, and personaly, I don't feel that there are problems with guru ki murat, mann meh dhyan, as long as you know what you are doing.  The dream's deeper message will probably come and make more sense to you in a few days, you just need to do some deep silent meditations.  

All I have learnt so far is that we should always keep an open mind, never jump to conclusions right away, do not accept nor reject right away, weigh it on the scale of Gurbani, gather the good qualities to carry you forward and leave behind the ones that hinders our progress.
Nindeya is very tricky and slippery slope, i personally have not understood the concept of nindya, some say its nindya only when its false, but how do we know its false, some say even bringing out augan is bad, as God hides everybodys faults, we should try to be liek God,...must tread with caution...sometimes it might be the truth others times not so much. So gotta be careful...
as for the Ghor Mantar Sadhana, Guru Nanak Ji already mentioned  Asankh Malesh Mal Bakh Khaaye... countless malesh eat dirt and nasty stuff...
 
 

Belief does not matter, what matters is experience through personal Sadhana.

Good topic and good post.
I will just add a little because I feel that it may be a technique or jugtee that is given. I think it was the bellows mention in translations tat made me think of breathe in, breathe out, breathe in, breathe out....I'm not disagreeing with your post or anything, but I think we can dig a little deeper and see something that is practical and for us to use?
I think it may be saas saas gurmantar jap. We jap using bellows of body core(stomach navel and lungs), the gurmantar has to be done with dhyian and single one-pointed focus.  We merge with and into anhad naad. Get amrit rus and ching-ching-->a minted coin of naam begins to accumulate in our body-crucible.
...Have a look below and see what you think?
Patience of the goldsmith. ...This is essential because to get the final end product, the goldsmith has to sometimes work very patiently with small intricate details. In this case, he mentions the end product as a mint/taksal coin. Not an ordinary coin that would just be considered a coin shaped disc, but one with an official royal mint like seal to make it authentic.

 
Understanding/intelligence -->Anvil, ...this is to what the "object" is hammered and shaped...... The "mat" is Guru's mat or gurmat.
Using guru's mat, we use guru's mantra.....gurmantar.
The hammer/hathiyar, used to shape the gold and make it authentic has to be specific in order to hammer the details. I think this is reference to "naad' because "gurmukh naadan, gurmukh vedan, gurmukh reha samayee" ....In simran,you have to listen and merge into the naad..... this leads to naam amrit.
 
The "bellows" are used to pump forced air into a furnace to get the molten gold. ....Action of bellows is by expanding and contracting manually. This is analogous to stomach and lungs using saas graas techniques of breathe in-out, in-out, wahe-guru,..wahe-guru.. As per our prana,  this area of the body is where heat is produced. ->the TAPAS is the heat energy generated by any yoga practice.  Too much is not good, but to get the end product we still need it providing we can cool down the object in question. .....The cooling energy is higher up from the stomach and comes from moon energies of bindu chakra....Amrit is also considered as cooling and in gurbani it mentions in places how amrit cools the agan or brahmagan(fire-heat).
NOTE- a lot of people get confused and think that they should avoid body heat production. They feel this because of problems with too much inner agani ....therefore, they avoid many practices, foods etc.... Sadly, they don't realise that we need both, but they have to be balanced. This is why yoga describes sun and moon energies distributed around the body. The sun/ right eye or pingula side is heat. The moon/left eye or ida side is cool energy. Guru ji mentions in gurbani that the sun and moon are both needed to nurse us, just as we have daylight and night.
The crucible is where the product is collected of poured into. In this case, the body. Remember that the body has been pumping the gurmanta like a bellow from the body core. This will have generated the tapas heat.. The next step was to get the gurmantar into  an authentic molten naam ras....and this happened using the ved from the naad. The next step would be to have the molten naam ras poured into the body crucible.
 
Only now, after the molten amrit rus is poured, is the shabad and the coin of naam produced. This coin has the official seal to make it mint and give it an official currency value.
Why would we need an official mint shabad/naam need value?
Because the Wealth of naam is the only thing that we can take with us. Nothing else is of any value. We can't use fakes, we can't buy naam on black-market. We need the official naam currency just like the royal mint coins and US presidential seals on currencies.
 

Any mantra is only as good as the person who sincerely uses it. You could know the best mantra in the world but if you personally have never put in serious effort with it or got anywhere with it yourself, then what good is it?
Before you start looking down on others, if someone were to ask you, "Are you liberated using your own mantra that you are so proud off?" I would be curious to know your response.
P.S, I am not a radhasoami, but I do have respect for those who put in serious effort using any kind of mantra. whether it be one word or 5 words long.
  

Paaji, I wouldn't be so quick to state Anhad is low levels of spirituality. Agree there are very basic sounds heard in the ears or head which may not be classed as True Anhad by various individuals, but one must be careful to not make bold statements claiming Anhad is nothing but early stages either. In the past and present I have on quite a few occasions heard sounds in my ears coming from near and afar, sometimes constant, sometimes harmonic. Yet I feel they don't have a kind of pull or any kind of intoxicating effect on me so I will not class them as Anhad yet. To others they may be on a scale of 1-10, stages 1 to 3. But if you ever experience stage 5 for example it does certainly startle you the first time you hear it.
Anhad can occur in various forms and intensity at different stages right up to when at the abode of Waheguru. Take the few pangtis below on Ang 888. How can we call this stage for example where Anhad is heard early stage of spirituality? I believe this is not talking about some local sangat in a gurdwara. It is talking about very high avasta in the very deep inner realms where pure consciousness's are uniting close to the True Source..
The Panch Shabad, the five primal sounds, echo the perfect sound current of the Naad. (The combination of the 5 shabads produce the Naad)
panch sabad tah pooran naad.
The wondrous, amazing unstruck melody vibrates.
anhad baajay achraj bismaad.
The Saintly people play there with the Lord.
kayl karahi sant har log.
They remain totally detached, absorbed in the Supreme Lord God.
paarbarahm pooran nirjog.
It is the realm of celestial peace and bliss.
sookh sahj aanand bhavan.
The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, sits and sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord.  There is no disease or sorrow there, no birth or death. Pause
saadhsang bais gun gaavahi tah rog sog nahee janam maran.
There, they meditate only on the Naam, the Name of the Lord.
oohaa simrahi kayval naam.
How rare are those who find this place of rest.
birlay paavahi oh bisraam.
The love of God is their food, and the Kirtan of the Lord`s Praise is their support.
bhojan bhaa-o keertan aaDhaar.
They obtain a permanent seat in the infinite.
nihchal aasan baysumaar.
No one falls there, or wavers, or goes anywhere.
dig na dolai kathoo na Dhaavai
By Guru`s Grace, some find this mansion.
gur parsaad ko ih mahal paavai.
They are not touched by doubt, fear, attachment or the traps of Maya.
bharam bhai moh na maa-i-aa jaal.
They enter the deepest state of Sunn Samaadhi, through the kind mercy of God.
sunn samaadh parabhoo kirpaal.
 
I can't even comment on Sunn Samaadhi because I can't even get myself into basic Sunn beyond the 9 gates through abhiyaas. I can only hazard a guess to what it is like based on teachings I have heard. It's like when your in deep sleep beyond body consciousness and are awoken by only the intoxicating sounds of anhad music. Your consciousness is aware of nothing else but listening to this sound or voice of God because of its pure strength and intensity. I have only ever once in my few years on this path ever come close to experiencing anything like this and I could not withstand the intensity or knew at the time what it was. I wait for that call to come again, and I hope by his grace this time I can hold on a little longer without fear setting in and running in the opposite direction.
I am not in the little bit qualified in any spiritual way to talk of Bhramgyan avasta or posess any such knowledge to even comment on where that begins. We are already discussing concepts way beyond our own practical experience which is based other peoples journeys. 
My advise dear brother is always look at where you are standing on the path in terms of experience. Looking too far ahead or at the final goal will definitely sound exciting but we as individuals are no where close to understanding such states. Yes it is encouraging and inspiring at times to look at those on a higher level to you but do spend time working on yourself also.

Any mantra is only as good as the person who sincerely uses it. You could know the best mantra in the world but if you personally have never put in serious effort with it or got anywhere with it yourself, then what good is it?
Before you start looking down on others, if someone were to ask you, "Are you liberated using your own mantra that you are so proud off?" I would be curious to know your response.
P.S, I am not a radhasoami, but I do have respect for those who put in serious effort using any kind of mantra. whether it be one word or 5 words long.
  

Paaji, I wouldn't be so quick to state Anhad is low levels of spirituality. Agree there are very basic sounds heard in the ears or head which may not be classed as True Anhad by various individuals, but one must be careful to not make bold statements claiming Anhad is nothing but early stages either. In the past and present I have on quite a few occasions heard sounds in my ears coming from near and afar, sometimes constant, sometimes harmonic. Yet I feel they don't have a kind of pull or any kind of intoxicating effect on me so I will not class them as Anhad yet. To others they may be on a scale of 1-10, stages 1 to 3. But if you ever experience stage 5 for example it does certainly startle you the first time you hear it.
Anhad can occur in various forms and intensity at different stages right up to when at the abode of Waheguru. Take the few pangtis below on Ang 888. How can we call this stage for example where Anhad is heard early stage of spirituality? I believe this is not talking about some local sangat in a gurdwara. It is talking about very high avasta in the very deep inner realms where pure consciousness's are uniting close to the True Source..
The Panch Shabad, the five primal sounds, echo the perfect sound current of the Naad. (The combination of the 5 shabads produce the Naad)
panch sabad tah pooran naad.
The wondrous, amazing unstruck melody vibrates.
anhad baajay achraj bismaad.
The Saintly people play there with the Lord.
kayl karahi sant har log.
They remain totally detached, absorbed in the Supreme Lord God.
paarbarahm pooran nirjog.
It is the realm of celestial peace and bliss.
sookh sahj aanand bhavan.
The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, sits and sings the Glorious Praises of the Lord.  There is no disease or sorrow there, no birth or death. Pause
saadhsang bais gun gaavahi tah rog sog nahee janam maran.
There, they meditate only on the Naam, the Name of the Lord.
oohaa simrahi kayval naam.
How rare are those who find this place of rest.
birlay paavahi oh bisraam.
The love of God is their food, and the Kirtan of the Lord`s Praise is their support.
bhojan bhaa-o keertan aaDhaar.
They obtain a permanent seat in the infinite.
nihchal aasan baysumaar.
No one falls there, or wavers, or goes anywhere.
dig na dolai kathoo na Dhaavai
By Guru`s Grace, some find this mansion.
gur parsaad ko ih mahal paavai.
They are not touched by doubt, fear, attachment or the traps of Maya.
bharam bhai moh na maa-i-aa jaal.
They enter the deepest state of Sunn Samaadhi, through the kind mercy of God.
sunn samaadh parabhoo kirpaal.
 
I can't even comment on Sunn Samaadhi because I can't even get myself into basic Sunn beyond the 9 gates through abhiyaas. I can only hazard a guess to what it is like based on teachings I have heard. It's like when your in deep sleep beyond body consciousness and are awoken by only the intoxicating sounds of anhad music. Your consciousness is aware of nothing else but listening to this sound or voice of God because of its pure strength and intensity. I have only ever once in my few years on this path ever come close to experiencing anything like this and I could not withstand the intensity or knew at the time what it was. I wait for that call to come again, and I hope by his grace this time I can hold on a little longer without fear setting in and running in the opposite direction.
I am not in the little bit qualified in any spiritual way to talk of Bhramgyan avasta or posess any such knowledge to even comment on where that begins. We are already discussing concepts way beyond our own practical experience which is based other peoples journeys. 
My advise dear brother is always look at where you are standing on the path in terms of experience. Looking too far ahead or at the final goal will definitely sound exciting but we as individuals are no where close to understanding such states. Yes it is encouraging and inspiring at times to look at those on a higher level to you but do spend time working on yourself also.

With all due respect I'm sorry but I will have to disagree with that recording that ajapa jaap of Gurmantar or mool mantar is anhad shabad. There are countless references in gurbani to the actual sounds. When you hear even only one of them , it will shock your being and only then does one believe in their existence. 

Sorry maybe I should have been more clear. Beyond naam only waheguru himself exists. You as an individual have merged into him and their is no duality between you and him.

If it's not feasible to do meditations during activites then you can also try to do mini meditations before an after your activities.

Just do several seconds of mental silence, or conscious breaths or focused simran. And insert these into as many intervals as possible, through out the day.

lol...........classic!
 

Yesterday you said tomorrow... JUST DO IT!
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZXsQAXx_ao0 
lol

yeh man....Don't waste time-->  "Just Do It"
I've spent countless hours deciding when to fit in some time to sit and meditate. Everyday for the past couple of years, I usually wake up and plan the day mentally in terms of when I will later sit down and meditate. I even got into a habit of making the bed and arranging the pillows so that I could come back in the afternoon and sit straight down into simran....as you know, some thing always comes up and then I would go back into bedroom later and be disappointed,.. and like everyone else, I would then plan to better the next day..and so on...
Nowadays, I do attempt it many times throughout the day and especially if I'm on my own and not talking to someone.....walking...on the bus...in the gym...in fact I've probably had more fruitful and sweet amrit sessions whilst sat in the gym steam room!... doing a cardio workout is also a fantastic way to just close your eyes(or just fix your gaze) and do saas saas from the stomach up. 
 

Good one on sleep and turiya consciousness.  
 

About 6 months focus on naam simran now and before that about 1 year on mool mantar. Before that it was just reading books and listening to kirtan katha but I was still lacking inspiration do the practical myself. Only over the past 2 years have I moved up a gear and more so in the last 6 months.

If my post inspires even just one person then I really consider it worth while. Go for it Singh!!!

I'm reading Guru Granth Sahib Ji (english translation) along side naam simran and its really giving me the push I need. The amount of focus that is placed on naam/shabad unity with Almighty is just really shocking me to the max. To the point i'm getting quite annoyed by the fact that if Guru Granth Sahib Ji placed so much focus on naam simran being the only means by which we will reach Waheguru why weren't we told about it in Gurdwaras more. Maybe it was me who just wasn't taking it in. Why aren't we told this is what you need to do and this is how you go about doing it....

There are days when I run out of steam and the desire isn't there but when I read a few more angs it gives me the kick I need to get me going again. Actually i'm hooked reading Guru Ji. Can't even focus at work, just want to keep reading. My respect for my Gurus is increasing daily. Guru Amar Das ji' belows me away every time, actually they all do. Going to get shitter at work if they find out what I'm doing. I find myself totally becoming withdrawn from what is going on in the outside world. Don't care about news, tv, movies, family etc either i'm holding my phone or ipad. I'm really seeing a difference in me. Its growing to such an extent that my own mother is getting concerned and telling me to slow down and keep my feet on the ground and says I got my whole life ahead of me yet.

The only advice I'm able to give anyone is keep the simran going throughout the day whilst your doing your day to day stuff. From the moment I get up I try and start. Getting ready, journey to work, lunch times, take a few minutes off during work and just do simran eyes open or closed, journey home. I bet the other travelers are saying what is that guy mumbling to himself. If your able to dedicate fix time to it then so much the better. This is the part I'm really finding difficult to do. My legs and backside ache and I can't sit for long and the discomfort over powers the concentration your trying to reach. I find myself looking at the clock to see if times up or my thoughts just keep coming and I get frustrated but there are times when you know you had a good session even if it was just for a few moments.