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    DSG got a reaction from SAadmin in Sarbat Khalsa 2015   
    I would have thought after the 10th and then 30th some kind of structure in place with appointed people who have the right credentials to fulfil the tasks/MATA to be setup. I think Sikhs are ready and waiting to accept anyone who is sincere and have the good attentions of the kaum in order to move forward, to wake up Punjab, make it a better place to live, work,seek justice etc... If that process means seeking help,guidance or joining AAP or setting up an individual party then so be it.
    If the newly appointed Jatedars are "shutdown" surely there should have been ( or even is) a backup office working on the agenda.
       
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    DSG got a reaction from gdskler in Sarbat Khalsa 2015   
    TARN TARAN, Punjab—The gathering of Sarbat Khalsa 2015 at Gurdwara Baba Naudh Singh today announced appointment of new Jathedars –
    Jathedar Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara – Akal Takht Sahib (Bhai Dhyan Singh Mand as acting Jathedar on Bhai Hawara’s behalf) Jathedar Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala – Takht Sri Keshgarh Sahib Jathedar Bhai Baljit Singh Daduwal – Takht Sri Damdama Sahib Appointment of the new Jathedars was accepted by shouts of jaikaras by the Sikh Sangat.  New jathedars are appointed until Vaisakhi 2016.  
    A number of other key resolutions were taken –
    Giani Gurbachan Singh, Giani Mal Singh, Giani Gurmukh Singh and Giani Iqbal Singh absolved of duties KP Gill and KS Brar have been deemed as “tankhaeeye” (guilty) for their role in the Sikh Genocide.  These have been asked to appear at Akal Takht Sahib by November 30, 2015 Faqr-E-Qaum & Panth Ratan titles have been taken away from Badal, and Makkar is relieved from his title of Shiromani Sevak Starting from November 30 2015, there will be a pursuit for an International Sikh Parliament to represent the Global Sikhs.  Committee will be drafted of Punjab and diaspora Sikhs Denounce desecration and punish perpetrators who do beadbi of Guru Granth Sahib Free political prisoners from Punjab and other struggles such as Kashmir. Sarbat Khalsa recognizes Sikh political prisoners as assets of the Sikh Nation and recognizes Bapu Surat Singh’s plight SGPC will be revised to be democratic Sikhs must refrain from all internal scriptural debates until Akal Takht Sahib is independent. Solidify a sovereign Sikh calendar Vatican like status for Sri Harmandir Sahib where all Sikhs could visit without problems Reaffirm the resolutions adopted by Sarbat Khalsa of 1986 Caste Based gurdwaras are to be stopped globally All Sikhs must adopt all resolutions in letter and spirit
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    DSG got a reaction from OnPathToSikhi in Sarbat Khalsa 2015   
    TARN TARAN, Punjab—The gathering of Sarbat Khalsa 2015 at Gurdwara Baba Naudh Singh today announced appointment of new Jathedars –
    Jathedar Bhai Jagtar Singh Hawara – Akal Takht Sahib (Bhai Dhyan Singh Mand as acting Jathedar on Bhai Hawara’s behalf) Jathedar Bhai Amrik Singh Ajnala – Takht Sri Keshgarh Sahib Jathedar Bhai Baljit Singh Daduwal – Takht Sri Damdama Sahib Appointment of the new Jathedars was accepted by shouts of jaikaras by the Sikh Sangat.  New jathedars are appointed until Vaisakhi 2016.  
    A number of other key resolutions were taken –
    Giani Gurbachan Singh, Giani Mal Singh, Giani Gurmukh Singh and Giani Iqbal Singh absolved of duties KP Gill and KS Brar have been deemed as “tankhaeeye” (guilty) for their role in the Sikh Genocide.  These have been asked to appear at Akal Takht Sahib by November 30, 2015 Faqr-E-Qaum & Panth Ratan titles have been taken away from Badal, and Makkar is relieved from his title of Shiromani Sevak Starting from November 30 2015, there will be a pursuit for an International Sikh Parliament to represent the Global Sikhs.  Committee will be drafted of Punjab and diaspora Sikhs Denounce desecration and punish perpetrators who do beadbi of Guru Granth Sahib Free political prisoners from Punjab and other struggles such as Kashmir. Sarbat Khalsa recognizes Sikh political prisoners as assets of the Sikh Nation and recognizes Bapu Surat Singh’s plight SGPC will be revised to be democratic Sikhs must refrain from all internal scriptural debates until Akal Takht Sahib is independent. Solidify a sovereign Sikh calendar Vatican like status for Sri Harmandir Sahib where all Sikhs could visit without problems Reaffirm the resolutions adopted by Sarbat Khalsa of 1986 Caste Based gurdwaras are to be stopped globally All Sikhs must adopt all resolutions in letter and spirit
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    DSG got a reaction from OnPathToSikhi in Sarbat Khalsa 2015   
    Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahe Guru Ji Ke Fateh
    It is FANTASTIC to see the Sikhs gathering in Punjab , The Khalsa as awakened !!! May waheguru make it successful
    Source http://sarbatkhalsausa.com/faq/
    Please see below some questions and answers regarding SARBAT KHALSA 
     
    1.      What is Sarbat Khalsa ?

    The words by themselves mean the following:

    Sarbat means whole or entire.

     Khalsa is the entire body of committed Sikhs (those who have partaken in Khande di Pahul / Amrit Sanchar). (as defined in the sikh rehat maryada, approved by Khalsa Panth worldwide in 1925)

     These two words together have a dual connotation. In conceptual sense it is the extension of sangat, holy congregation, and institution which has been eulogized in the Sikh Scripture as symbolizing GodSarbat Khalsa in this sense is a mystic entity representing the “integrated conscience” of the entire Sikh people imbued with the all pervasive spirit of the Guru. (This is denoted Guru Panth Sahib Ji) Own presence (GG.460,1314, B35).

    Sarbat Khalsa in this sense is a mystic entity representing the “integrated conscience” of the entire Sikh people imbued with the all pervasive spirit of the Guru. (This is denoted Guru Panth Sahib Ji) -Online Sikh Encyclopedia

    1.      2. What is Guru Panth ?
    Rehat Maryada: Section Six

    Article XXIII – Panth’s Status of Guru-hood

    a. The Guru Panth (Panth’s status of Guruhood) means the whole body of committed baptized Sikhs [Khalsa]. This body was fostered by all the ten Gurus and the tenth Guru gave it its final shape and invested it with Guruhood.
    This corporate entity is the Panth. Every Sikh has also to fulfill his obligations as a unit of the corporate body, the Panth.

    “Khalsa is the body of the Guru, and the bani (Guru Granth Sahib) his soul. The Panth conducting its spiritual and temporal affairs in the spirit of the bani also assumes the form of the Guru. Independent of the bani, however, the Khalsa is not entitled to this status”.

    -Mahan Kosh Bhai Kahan Singh Nabha

    In practice the doctrine means that the body of the Panth has to take decisions on temporal matters dealing with a situation prevailing at a particular time strictly following the spiritual principles laid down in Guru Granth Sahib to carry out the will of God or sarbat da bhala.”
    “In the twin doctrine of ‘Guru Granth – Guru Panth’, the two components have a complementary relationship with a distinct role assigned to each. For effective functioning of body and soul, they have to act together.

    -Guru Granth-Guru Panth, Dr. Kharak Singh

    2.  3.     What does Sarbat Khalsa Do ?
    Sarbat Khalsa is the process for deliberation and an ultimate venue for creating Gurmata (Guru’s words) and is the embodiment of Guru Panth Sahib Ji. “The gurumata was usually organized on the occasion of Baisakhi or Diwali at Amritsar and was considered to be morally binding on all Sikhs since it was seen as an application of the Guru Granth-Guru Panth or miri–piri doctrine” (Sikhism 71).

    ” …Sarbat Khalsa is the highest organ of the Khalsa Commonwealth representing its “integrated will”, which no Sikh-commoner, sardar or prince – could dare defy. Sarbat Khalsa, meeting in the presence of the Guru Granth Sahib, is the supreme sovereign body, with deliberative and executive powers, including authority to direct affairs of the community. The Sarbat Khalsa discussed and took decisions by common counsel upon matters of policy and upon matters requiring urgent action.”

    -The Encyclopedia of Sikhism, Volume IV, Punjabi University Patiala, 1998

    It is the unique Sikh mode of democracy where majority rules mentality does not exist and there is no voting. Decisions are only made unanimously. Only the minimum everyone agrees to can be accepted.

    When resolutions are passed, they are called a Gurmatta. A Gurmatta is understood as the words or will of the Guru. After a Gurmatta is passed, an action plan is created to implement the Gurmatta.

    Gurmattas are passed for major policy decisions of the Panth.

    3.       4. Who can attend Sarbat Khalsa?

    The entire Sikh Panth can attend. Anyone who identifies as Sikh, based on the definition of a Sikh taken straight from Sikh Rehat Maryada:

    Article I – Definition of Sikh

    Any human being who faithfully believes in:

    The baptism bequeathed by the tenth Guru, and who does not owe allegiance to any other religion, is a Sikh
    The utterances and teachings of the ten Gurus
    The Guru Granth Sahib
    Ten Gurus, from Guru Nanak Dev to Guru Gobind Singh
    One Immortal Being


    4.    5   What is the process of sarbat khalsa? Is it basically wrong
    Anyone in the Sikh Panth, defined as a Sikh according to Sikh Rehat Maryada, submits a written proposal that has a resolution and a plan of action or just a resolution alone. The resolution is deliberated.

    The proposal or resolution must be given approval by Sri Guru Panth, which is the Khalsa. The entire body of the Khalsa has to approve it in accordance with the spiritual teachings of Sri Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj. This is deliberated and only the minimum everyone agrees to passes after thorough consensus of all involved.

    There is no voting in terms of a majority decision. It is about unanimous decisions of the Khalsa, according to teachings of Guru Granth Sahib Maharaj. Once the resolution has reached consensus, the resolution is deemed Gurmatta or words of the Guru. Then an action plan is created to carry out the Gurmatta.

    5.       6. Where does sarbat khalsa happen?
    Historical sources seem to agree it used to happen at the site of Sri Akal Takht Sahib within the Darbar Sahib complex. This may be due to the nature of the historical geographic location of the Sikh population at the time and the historical understanding of Darbar Sahib as the central location for national meetings. There is no evidence of a political or spiritual law/rule necessitating that sarbat khalsa meetings happen there perpetually.


    6.     7.   How do you make sure someone prioritize the interest of the Panth?
    h   This passage best answers this: “the atmosphere of freedom which prevailed in the ranks of the Khalsa prevented soldiers from harboring secret opinions and private reservations which fostered unity and raised morale.”

    -Sword of the Khalsa, Arjun Dass Mallik

    There were no secrets. If you could not fully explain your intentions when they were in question, then you were harboring a secret.  This implies you are not giving yourself completely to the Panth, which is a requirement for participation.


    7.       8. When does Sarbat Khalsa happen?
    Sarbat Khalsa last occurred in 1986.  Since Guru Ram Das Sahib’s time though, an all Sikh meeting took place twice a year: on Vasaikhi and Divali.  This was because both of these occasions were aligned with the agricultural cycle, making it the the two times of the year when people could collectively meet.

    When the Khalsa was established, these two occasions became the dates for Sarbat Khalsa. Sarbat Khalsa used to happen twice a year and stopped when Maharaja Ranjit Singh consolidated power into the Sikh Empire.


    8.       9. Who can call a Sarbat Khalsa?
    Historically, after the creation of the Khalsa, the Jathedar or head Granthi of Akal Takht did this but at other points in history it’s unclear who called it. The times it is unclear are times where the Khalsa are scattered/being persecuted.

    Prior to the Khalsa, it was a well established procedure for Sikh Sangats to meet on Vasaikhi and Divali.  By the time the Khalsa was created, it was understood that the Khalsa automatically would get together at that point. Outside of these automatic meetings, Sarbat Khalsa was also called for emergencies and urgent actions.


    9.       10. The Sarbat Khalsa on November 10th was not called by a Jatedar.Does this make a call for Sarbat Khalsa illegitimate?
    this is a special circumstance for two reasons:No 

    1) The Sarbat Khalsa was called specifically to address the appointment of Jathedars of the Takhts including Akal Takht. Currently, the Jathedars are not appointed by Sarbat Khalsa, which is how it is supposed to be. This came about because the Jathedars are not performing their duties from the perspective of Guru Panth.  Hence, this is sort of a “vote of no confidence” or impeachment.

    2) It is a revival of the true form of Khalsa deliberation which is supposed to happen at least twice a year but has not kept to this process in a very long time.


    1  10.   Can the Jatedar or Akal Takht veto the calling of Sarbat Khalsa?
    No, they cannot do so.  The Jathedar of Akal Takht or even the Jathedars of the current 5 Takhts do not have the authority to veto the call for a Sarbat Khalsa.  The authority ultimately lies with Guru Panth. The function of the Jathedars is to be the representatives and servants of the Panth.

    Historically, Jathedars did not issue hukamnamas, but simply read the hukamnama arrived at through the consensus of the Sarbat Khalsa. Jathedars in recent times have increasingly tried to make their personal power greater than what it is intended to be.  This has happened due to a lack of checks and balances over the years, due to Sarbat Khalsa deliberations no longer happening on a regular basis.


    1  11. How can the Sikhs and the Khalsa conduct a Sarbat Khalsa given their worldwide locations?
    At the moment Sarbat Khalsa will require everyone to go to one location or have a representative on their behalf go that they personally chose who represents them fully. It is entirely possible that someone who lives in Canada can see that there is a Sikh in New Zealand going, who holds the same views, and that would work fine. Each representative won’t be treated differently according to how many people they are representing since majority does not matter in Sarbat Khalsa form of democratic deliberation.

    Sikh Sangats should also consider the technology of the times and create a committee of technologically literate, committed Sikh individuals, to figure how to make a global virtual Sarbat Khalsa possible.

    1 12.  If a sangat from one particular geographic location submits a resolution, is it considered to be binding on all Sikh sangats?
    No. The only resolutions that apply to all Sikhs are those passed through a Sarbat Khalsa that is representative of all Sikhs across the world. Resolutions passed in a particular Sangat only apply to that Sangat. Otherwise resolutions would be passed on the whole Panth without representation from the whole Panth.
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    DSG got a reaction from wjkkwjkf in Avoid Disclosing Spiritual Status   
    I think one side of it is feeding your own ego , the other side is motivating others to have similar experiences and enhance ones spiritual journey. But again it depends on how you tell others , if guiding them without "YOU" being the center of the conversation then i dont think it'll be bad or break your connection but if its all about " ME , I"   then the EGO is elevated ....... then loW AND BEHOLD YOU GOT YOUR OWN dera  :) :) :)
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    DSG got a reaction from jaikaara in Avoid Disclosing Spiritual Status   
    I think one side of it is feeding your own ego , the other side is motivating others to have similar experiences and enhance ones spiritual journey. But again it depends on how you tell others , if guiding them without "YOU" being the center of the conversation then i dont think it'll be bad or break your connection but if its all about " ME , I"   then the EGO is elevated ....... then loW AND BEHOLD YOU GOT YOUR OWN dera  :) :) :)
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    DSG got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Avoid Disclosing Spiritual Status   
    I think one side of it is feeding your own ego , the other side is motivating others to have similar experiences and enhance ones spiritual journey. But again it depends on how you tell others , if guiding them without "YOU" being the center of the conversation then i dont think it'll be bad or break your connection but if its all about " ME , I"   then the EGO is elevated ....... then loW AND BEHOLD YOU GOT YOUR OWN dera  :) :) :)
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    DSG got a reaction from dalsingh101 in Beadbi Culprits Caught In Nagoke Village – 3 Singhs Arrested For Murder   
    It would be good if they divulge who is behind the beadbi and make it Public, as surely if they got him to admit to the crimes , surely they must have asked him who told him to do it .... sounds a bit fishy  
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    DSG got a reaction from SAadmin in All this happening in Punjab got me thinking.   
    I think the issue is about power and money .
    If you look at Punjab , what is there for the normal law abiding citizen ... nothing really
    You educate the young , then its who you know in order to get a job. To apply for jobs , people want money , application forms are filled in for money . Now thousands and thousands apply , then they dont hear anything.
    The Police are so corrupt , Cynthia Mahood an anthropologist , started to study about Sikhs in the 1980's , the autrocities and cruelties she has been through is unbelievable. She herself was sent death threats and gang raped and torctured by 6 people , who turned out to be the Police, and she is from USA, what hope has the average Punjabi got if he/she stands up to injustices against the government / Police .... none at all.
    You may be born into a Sikh family but does not make one a Sikh. I think theres a bigger agenda , where the average joe blog or shall i say joginder bhogal :) :) are being used to do the dirty work. The question is why would someone do such atrocities , could it be either just out of hatred , personal conflict , forced to do it , money exchanging hands , lack of knowledge ... Why ? is the key question.
    Education/awareness i think is the key , educate all and most important any person committing such crimes need to be punished.
    A big investigation from top down ( government , to MP's , to the Police etc.. needs to be done and I agree rather than beating the perpetrators get them to confess 100% as why they did such crimes , then expose them all . The sad part is that if someone starts doing this without the backing of the kaum , then most definitely he or she will be put down , you need masses , the kaum to wake up and all walk the walk and talk the talk to make a difference.
     
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    DSG got a reaction from Ragmaala in Report on Indian government opening fire on sikh rally   
    Please view and sign the petition
    https://www.change.org/p/bbc-bbc-report-on-indian-govt-opening-fire-on-peaceful-sikh-rally-after-media-blackout-order?recruiter=59504107&utm_source=share_petition&utm_medium=whatsapp
     

     
    The Indian Govt has today opened fire and sanctioned the use of water cannons and brute force by Punjab police on thousands of it’s own citizens whilst they were peacefully staging a sit-in protest. Sikhs had gathered to protest the lack of police action in a case of the desecration of the Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji in the area of Kotakpura Punjab. Disturbingly the Indian Govt has ordered a media blackout in Punjab. Yet still news, images and video footage is emerging on social media of the violence being perpetrated against innocent civilians – three civilian deaths have been reported and hundreds of casualties, with the death toll set to rise as more reports come to light.
    This is the most recent episode in an escalation of violence by the Indian Govt against the Sikh minority of India. They have also been torturing and force feeding an octogenarian who- protesting against the illegal detention of prisoners who have long since served their sentences- has been on hunger strike for over 280 days. The Punjab police has been harassing his supporters and illegally detaining prominent Sikh figures who’ve been peacefully protesting the state's interference in matters concerning the Sikh governing body.
    Despite the BBC having large presence in India with many reporters stationed there – it has not picked up this story. There is no mention of this on any of the their news media outlets in India or here in the UK, despite the fact that their express global purpose is to “provide international news broadcasting of the highest quality, enabiling individuals to participate on the global debate on significant international issues”. This is a significant issue for the 20 million Sikhs worldwide. We rely on the BBC as (in their own words) an “independent, objective and honest” news organisation to report on such issues.
    Please sign this petition and get the BBC to cover this story and turn the spotlight  “the worlds biggest democracy” and the crimes it's committing against it’s own people.
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    DSG got a reaction from Koi in BEADBI AT KOTKAPURA AND AFTERMATH   
    Very bad indeed
    I really feel for the brothers and sisters in Punjab
    You go to the Police .... they are corrupt
    You go to the politicians .... they are corrupt
    You go to the jatedars .... they are corrupt
    You protest peacfully .... you are stopped and killed
    Where do they go for justice ????????
    The police suppose to be the peaceful mediators , rather they are instigating and retaliating to violence
    The sad thing is the majority of the Police have distaars , dont they feel any remorse towards the fellow Sikh brothers and sisters and the beadbi to dhan dhan sri gur granth sahib ji, are their jobs that important that they cant see right from wrong ? If they were at all decent , they would put down their weapons, take off their uniform and tell the Badal clan , we are not your puppets and rebel , the sangat will then take care of them...no doubt.
    so sad
     
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    DSG got a reaction from SAadmin in BEADBI AT KOTKAPURA AND AFTERMATH   
    Very bad indeed
    I really feel for the brothers and sisters in Punjab
    You go to the Police .... they are corrupt
    You go to the politicians .... they are corrupt
    You go to the jatedars .... they are corrupt
    You protest peacfully .... you are stopped and killed
    Where do they go for justice ????????
    The police suppose to be the peaceful mediators , rather they are instigating and retaliating to violence
    The sad thing is the majority of the Police have distaars , dont they feel any remorse towards the fellow Sikh brothers and sisters and the beadbi to dhan dhan sri gur granth sahib ji, are their jobs that important that they cant see right from wrong ? If they were at all decent , they would put down their weapons, take off their uniform and tell the Badal clan , we are not your puppets and rebel , the sangat will then take care of them...no doubt.
    so sad
     
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    DSG got a reaction from sukrit kaur in BEADBI AT KOTKAPURA AND AFTERMATH   
    Very bad indeed
    I really feel for the brothers and sisters in Punjab
    You go to the Police .... they are corrupt
    You go to the politicians .... they are corrupt
    You go to the jatedars .... they are corrupt
    You protest peacfully .... you are stopped and killed
    Where do they go for justice ????????
    The police suppose to be the peaceful mediators , rather they are instigating and retaliating to violence
    The sad thing is the majority of the Police have distaars , dont they feel any remorse towards the fellow Sikh brothers and sisters and the beadbi to dhan dhan sri gur granth sahib ji, are their jobs that important that they cant see right from wrong ? If they were at all decent , they would put down their weapons, take off their uniform and tell the Badal clan , we are not your puppets and rebel , the sangat will then take care of them...no doubt.
    so sad
     
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    DSG got a reaction from tva prasad in anita-ranis-grandfathers-first-wife-killed-herself-in-india-rather-than-be-raped   
    whats so secretarian and crazy about , the 9th Guru Dhan dhan sri gur Tegh Bhadaur Ji sacrificing his life so that YOU can live the way you do NOW . Bhai Dyala Ji, Mati Das , Sati Das sacrificing their lives , with extreme torture.
    Dheru Ram didnt see his act as secretarian and Crazy ... Did he ? ...... in your eyes he must have been a one off 
    And many all over the world , black,white, yellow, pink , hindu, sikh, christian, jew etc.. seeing this as a great act of sacrifice EXCEPT YOU ... you only see as secretarian and Crazy
    If you even bothered to watch the program rather than going off on a tangent as usual , you would realise ... GROW UP MAN !!! The world is not out to get you or in FACT Sikhs are not out to get you , we got better things to do.
    Where do i state that ONLY Sikh women made sacrifices ?
     
    GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    DSG got a reaction from Koi in anita-ranis-grandfathers-first-wife-killed-herself-in-india-rather-than-be-raped   
    whats so secretarian and crazy about , the 9th Guru Dhan dhan sri gur Tegh Bhadaur Ji sacrificing his life so that YOU can live the way you do NOW . Bhai Dyala Ji, Mati Das , Sati Das sacrificing their lives , with extreme torture.
    Dheru Ram didnt see his act as secretarian and Crazy ... Did he ? ...... in your eyes he must have been a one off 
    And many all over the world , black,white, yellow, pink , hindu, sikh, christian, jew etc.. seeing this as a great act of sacrifice EXCEPT YOU ... you only see as secretarian and Crazy
    If you even bothered to watch the program rather than going off on a tangent as usual , you would realise ... GROW UP MAN !!! The world is not out to get you or in FACT Sikhs are not out to get you , we got better things to do.
    Where do i state that ONLY Sikh women made sacrifices ?
     
    GROW UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    DSG got a reaction from Koi in Why did they do this?   
    Also see 
     
     
    The 5 jatedar are a joke , a lot of noise  is being made to oust them out of power ,
     
     
     
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    DSG got a reaction from SAadmin in Selection Vs Election Gurudawara   
    Wahe Guru Ji Ka Khalsa Wahe Guru Ji Ke Fateh
    Please see presentation regarding selection V Election when running a Gurudawara.
    http://www.srsofchicago.com/selection-vs-election-systems-in-our-gurdwaras-which-is-gur-matta-based/
     
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    DSG got a reaction from SAadmin in Why did they do this?   
    Also see 
     
     
    The 5 jatedar are a joke , a lot of noise  is being made to oust them out of power ,
     
     
     
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    DSG got a reaction from singhuk in Erotica/Sexual Imagery in SSGGSJ (Guru Granth Sahib jee)   
    Even though i agree discussions are good , but these type of discussions i feel is breaking the panth , you have people
    1. For Dasam Granth ji 
    2. Anti Dasam Granth ji
    3. in the middle
    4. only for Sri Guru granth sahib ji
    5. For none
    In summary from all the posts , my understanding is that
    One must be at a certain spiritual level to fully understand the true meaning . How is this achieved ?
    Should there be a caveat in place , stating one must have had proper santhiya of both granths for x amount of years before they start preaching / having dialogue with the sangat as not to misguide them ? ( Like Bhai Pinderpal Singh) 
    Should the granths be easily/readily available online/other sources as the normal "Joe Bloggs" reading the granth , especially the english translation will take the meaning literary and question and question its authenticity . Or does read and follow its teachings ...period no questions asked. 
    If they do ask questions , who do they ask ? ( Forums , Granthis , mates and how legitimate will they be ?)
    The questions asked should they be put in way asking for answers ? 
    Then you get some , who get all defensive and abusive and attack personally due to one questioning the context according to their own psyche.
    Where does one draw the line ?
     
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    DSG got a reaction from OnPathToSikhi in Erotica/Sexual Imagery in SSGGSJ (Guru Granth Sahib jee)   
    Even though i agree discussions are good , but these type of discussions i feel is breaking the panth , you have people
    1. For Dasam Granth ji 
    2. Anti Dasam Granth ji
    3. in the middle
    4. only for Sri Guru granth sahib ji
    5. For none
    In summary from all the posts , my understanding is that
    One must be at a certain spiritual level to fully understand the true meaning . How is this achieved ?
    Should there be a caveat in place , stating one must have had proper santhiya of both granths for x amount of years before they start preaching / having dialogue with the sangat as not to misguide them ? ( Like Bhai Pinderpal Singh) 
    Should the granths be easily/readily available online/other sources as the normal "Joe Bloggs" reading the granth , especially the english translation will take the meaning literary and question and question its authenticity . Or does read and follow its teachings ...period no questions asked. 
    If they do ask questions , who do they ask ? ( Forums , Granthis , mates and how legitimate will they be ?)
    The questions asked should they be put in way asking for answers ? 
    Then you get some , who get all defensive and abusive and attack personally due to one questioning the context according to their own psyche.
    Where does one draw the line ?
     
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    DSG got a reaction from Crystal in Turbans in exam   
    Firstly why is there cheating happening ?
    Is it due to , poor teaching standards
    Poor facilities
    I have heard and seen in the past other students taking exams for other students for a fee
    Is it money oriented , i.e. teachers want money so that they can help students pass
    Plus who would want to go to some one especially studying medicine who have passed by cheating , i know i wouldnt .
    I think you would need to look at the root cause , for them cheating and then take the necessary precautions.
     
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    DSG got a reaction from Sat1176 in Bald Patch Forming Under Beard (Alopecia)   
    why not use jasmine oil / olive oil on your dharri
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    DSG got a reaction from GagandeepSingh in Need Some Advice.   
    Veer Ji , I think you have answered your question yourself. If you want to help your father be there for your family and the course you want to do is local then go for that. Depends on the course you do and the end result will count as i believe the curriculum should be the same its just the facilities that are offered between colleges and universities that differ. You could go to a top uni and not get the grades but go to a normal one and get high grades , at the end the grades count.
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    DSG got a reaction from OnPathToSikhi in Sant Hari Singh Ji Randhawale and pissed off members grilling him on woman equality   
    SikhKoj absolutely hit the nail on the head  " Only they are pure, O Nanak within whose minds the Lord abides " 
    Sadly these type of people causing havoc in Gurudawaras resulting in Police presence absolutely disgrace. Theres many of these events happening and posted on youtube , where sikhs boycott a katha , fights start . I personally believe the agenda is different , may be a personal grudge .
    I'm no katha vachak or claim to know Gurbani , in fact its the opposite but my 2 ps worth on this is that The Gurbani shabad pasted by SikhKoj sums it up , if a person has love for the almighty , true love one would automatically know within there inner selves , in terms of pure or not , are they genuine or not .
     
     
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    DSG got a reaction from SAadmin in Sant Hari Singh Ji Randhawale and pissed off members grilling him on woman equality   
    SikhKoj absolutely hit the nail on the head  " Only they are pure, O Nanak within whose minds the Lord abides " 
    Sadly these type of people causing havoc in Gurudawaras resulting in Police presence absolutely disgrace. Theres many of these events happening and posted on youtube , where sikhs boycott a katha , fights start . I personally believe the agenda is different , may be a personal grudge .
    I'm no katha vachak or claim to know Gurbani , in fact its the opposite but my 2 ps worth on this is that The Gurbani shabad pasted by SikhKoj sums it up , if a person has love for the almighty , true love one would automatically know within there inner selves , in terms of pure or not , are they genuine or not .
     
     
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