amardeep

I think you are living in your own little world. People have told you over and over again not to put things in their mouths. You connect things that are not connected and then use that as an argument against people. I think its called a straw man in english. You build up a narrative in your own head and then argue with people about why they feel a certain way. But they actually dont feel that way!
 
When people here have respect for samprdayas it is NOT because of the way they view women.. thats YOUR take on it because you seem to center your life on feminism.. So if I tell you im into the samprdayas, then you will find something you dont agree with and make a fuss and drama about me being into the samprdayas due to this one female statement only!! Its bloody weird man and you need to stop it!  People here respect the samprdayas because they reflect a pre-colonial disposition of Sikhi with a heavy regard on oral tradition...... NOBODY HAS MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN!! yet you keep hammering on and on and on about them....The puratan samprdayas dont even follow the old rahitname, - they have their own oral traditions which they follow.
Like I said, - you dont understand what people are writing, nor do they understand what you are writing.. bloody kinder garden man!! When people showed you the tuks of Sri Guru Amar Das on women, they did'n mean to say that The Satguru talks ill of women.. They were saying "if you use this kind of arguments against Sri Dasam Granth then why dont you apply the same logic to the Guru Granth Sahib".. Its a way of showing how illogical you are.. Yet you read it as the guys saying Guru Amar Das looked down on women...
And now you're making connections between Rahitanme and Dasam Granth....SERIOSLY??? wtf???? The rehitname for the most part are 2-3 pages long... The Dasam Granth is 1300+ pages long... Stop making weird analogies... I dont know if you have some sort of OCD or something but if you do, please let us know... This is getting really tiring.. Everyone here is tired of having to explain themselves over and over again as well as having to defend themselves of weird allegations you keep making, -putting words in their mouths etc....
 
Pappiman says weird shit at times, - all of us laugh at it from time to time and consider those views as representing only himself.. Yet you take it and blow it out of proportions and make it sound like pappiman is the sole global ambassador of SIkhi - everything he says is true and law!
Give it a rest man..

I think you are living in your own little world. People have told you over and over again not to put things in their mouths. You connect things that are not connected and then use that as an argument against people. I think its called a straw man in english. You build up a narrative in your own head and then argue with people about why they feel a certain way. But they actually dont feel that way!
 
When people here have respect for samprdayas it is NOT because of the way they view women.. thats YOUR take on it because you seem to center your life on feminism.. So if I tell you im into the samprdayas, then you will find something you dont agree with and make a fuss and drama about me being into the samprdayas due to this one female statement only!! Its bloody weird man and you need to stop it!  People here respect the samprdayas because they reflect a pre-colonial disposition of Sikhi with a heavy regard on oral tradition...... NOBODY HAS MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN!! yet you keep hammering on and on and on about them....The puratan samprdayas dont even follow the old rahitname, - they have their own oral traditions which they follow.
Like I said, - you dont understand what people are writing, nor do they understand what you are writing.. bloody kinder garden man!! When people showed you the tuks of Sri Guru Amar Das on women, they did'n mean to say that The Satguru talks ill of women.. They were saying "if you use this kind of arguments against Sri Dasam Granth then why dont you apply the same logic to the Guru Granth Sahib".. Its a way of showing how illogical you are.. Yet you read it as the guys saying Guru Amar Das looked down on women...
And now you're making connections between Rahitanme and Dasam Granth....SERIOSLY??? wtf???? The rehitname for the most part are 2-3 pages long... The Dasam Granth is 1300+ pages long... Stop making weird analogies... I dont know if you have some sort of OCD or something but if you do, please let us know... This is getting really tiring.. Everyone here is tired of having to explain themselves over and over again as well as having to defend themselves of weird allegations you keep making, -putting words in their mouths etc....
 
Pappiman says weird shit at times, - all of us laugh at it from time to time and consider those views as representing only himself.. Yet you take it and blow it out of proportions and make it sound like pappiman is the sole global ambassador of SIkhi - everything he says is true and law!
Give it a rest man..

I think you are living in your own little world. People have told you over and over again not to put things in their mouths. You connect things that are not connected and then use that as an argument against people. I think its called a straw man in english. You build up a narrative in your own head and then argue with people about why they feel a certain way. But they actually dont feel that way!
 
When people here have respect for samprdayas it is NOT because of the way they view women.. thats YOUR take on it because you seem to center your life on feminism.. So if I tell you im into the samprdayas, then you will find something you dont agree with and make a fuss and drama about me being into the samprdayas due to this one female statement only!! Its bloody weird man and you need to stop it!  People here respect the samprdayas because they reflect a pre-colonial disposition of Sikhi with a heavy regard on oral tradition...... NOBODY HAS MENTIONED ANYTHING ABOUT WOMEN!! yet you keep hammering on and on and on about them....The puratan samprdayas dont even follow the old rahitname, - they have their own oral traditions which they follow.
Like I said, - you dont understand what people are writing, nor do they understand what you are writing.. bloody kinder garden man!! When people showed you the tuks of Sri Guru Amar Das on women, they did'n mean to say that The Satguru talks ill of women.. They were saying "if you use this kind of arguments against Sri Dasam Granth then why dont you apply the same logic to the Guru Granth Sahib".. Its a way of showing how illogical you are.. Yet you read it as the guys saying Guru Amar Das looked down on women...
And now you're making connections between Rahitanme and Dasam Granth....SERIOSLY??? wtf???? The rehitname for the most part are 2-3 pages long... The Dasam Granth is 1300+ pages long... Stop making weird analogies... I dont know if you have some sort of OCD or something but if you do, please let us know... This is getting really tiring.. Everyone here is tired of having to explain themselves over and over again as well as having to defend themselves of weird allegations you keep making, -putting words in their mouths etc....
 
Pappiman says weird shit at times, - all of us laugh at it from time to time and consider those views as representing only himself.. Yet you take it and blow it out of proportions and make it sound like pappiman is the sole global ambassador of SIkhi - everything he says is true and law!
Give it a rest man..

Fantastic man!

Interesting discussion though taking place here: People are looking into meaning of words,- asking if there are details we should know about before we can make a judgement and commentary on the sakhi (ie. what is the relationship between the woman and the fat man). .I think this is the purpose of these charitars - to ask these questions and proceed with analysis.

It is also good that they are reaching out to the 3HO community to bring them closer to Sikhi.

The Nirmala stance is that it deals with 5 levels of spiritual progression. They often juxtapose the 3 spiritual states of Vedant into the 5 Khands (Karam khand, Upashna Khand and Gian Khand). This can be seen in the teeka of Kavi Santokh Singh and it is much more detailed in the fantastic katha of Sant Singh Maskeen. I can't quite remember what Dr. Sahib Singh and the Fareedkot Teeka says about these.
I think the AKJ interprets it as 5 worlds or realms after death - some kind of paradises.
Im not sure why they are not mentioned anywhere in the Guru Granth Sahib apart from Japji Sahib.

Gurfateh all
Lets do some khoj on the five khands of the Sri Japju Sahib.
What are they representing? 5 spiritual stages or 5 worlds beyond in the afterlife?
What is the reason they are only mentioned in the Sri Japuji Sahib and not in the remaining 1422 angs?
What does the various samprdayas and scholars of the present and past say about these 5 khands?
 

The Nirmala stance is that it deals with 5 levels of spiritual progression. They often juxtapose the 3 spiritual states of Vedant into the 5 Khands (Karam khand, Upashna Khand and Gian Khand). This can be seen in the teeka of Kavi Santokh Singh and it is much more detailed in the fantastic katha of Sant Singh Maskeen. I can't quite remember what Dr. Sahib Singh and the Fareedkot Teeka says about these.
I think the AKJ interprets it as 5 worlds or realms after death - some kind of paradises.
Im not sure why they are not mentioned anywhere in the Guru Granth Sahib apart from Japji Sahib.

Well spotted! Cheers Singh

Gurfateh all
Lets do some khoj on the five khands of the Sri Japju Sahib.
What are they representing? 5 spiritual stages or 5 worlds beyond in the afterlife?
What is the reason they are only mentioned in the Sri Japuji Sahib and not in the remaining 1422 angs?
What does the various samprdayas and scholars of the present and past say about these 5 khands?
 

Well spotted! Cheers Singh

@BhagatSingh The Guru Granth Sahib does indeed take a strong Vaishnava outlook,- however it is also evident that the divine is not restricted to a vaishnava outlook.
People from different traditions describe the divine according to their vocab, understanding and metaphors known. If you compare the bhatt bani of Guru Granth Sahib with the Persian poetry of Bhai Nand Lal you will notice that the ghazals and other Guru ustat compositions does not take on any form of vaishnava outlook. Instead they take up a 'Islamicate' and 'Persianite' outlook where the Guru is contrasted with the famous kings and emperors of the Shahname etc. However - regardless of this difference in outlook,- the bhatt poets and Bhai Nand Lal are both describing the Guru!
It sounds like a cliché but the message inherent in Gurbani is that the divine is all and people approach the divine from different angles according to their background, language, vocab known etc..
In the Sri Dasam Granth you see an inclusive mystical universe of Indic thought ranging from the outlook of the shaktas, vaishnavas shaivas etc. However, - they are all describing the Divine - as the divine of Sikhi incorporates all these different outlooks into one coherent outlook! I see the Sri Japuji Sahib stating the same thing - ਗੁਰੁ ਈਸਰੁ ਗੁਰੁ ਗੋਰਖੁ ਬਰਮਾ ਗੁਰੁ ਪਾਰਬਤੀ ਮਾਈ
 
I asked Niddar Singh Nihang about why there is such a vast outlook of different approaches in the Sri Dasam Granth. He said that it was a political move of Guru Gobind Singh as a way of uniting the Indian "hindus" under the banner of Dharma! Telling them to unite and fight the opressors! Whether the Sri Guru uses the Puran avatar of the Vaishnavas, Shaktas or Shaivites - you'll notice that the teaching given to the reader in all of the banis is to rise and fight!!!
On a larger scale - according to Niddar Singh - the whole of the Dasam Granth is a politically unifiying scripture that seeks to establish bridges between thee major panths of India - a unity which was needed in order destroy the Mughals..

Its interesting to see more and more people turning to Sikhi though through the works of Basics of Sikhi.

Interesting discussion though taking place here: People are looking into meaning of words,- asking if there are details we should know about before we can make a judgement and commentary on the sakhi (ie. what is the relationship between the woman and the fat man). .I think this is the purpose of these charitars - to ask these questions and proceed with analysis.

That Dailysikhupdates blog/website/facebook page is the biggest drama queen page ever. It literally ruins your mood on a daily basis.

Its not a question of faith, - its a question of history. Did the Guru write it or not. Its not about believing whether the Guru wrote it or not.

Its not a question of faith, - its a question of history. Did the Guru write it or not. Its not about believing whether the Guru wrote it or not.

Its not a question of faith, - its a question of history. Did the Guru write it or not. Its not about believing whether the Guru wrote it or not.

From the same blog:
 
Nichal Dās (1791-1863), author of Vichar Sagar,  was a very prominent Vedāntist scholar. His work was written in Brij Bhāshā, and quickly became apart of the curriculum amongst the traditional scholarly lineage schools, the Udasi's and Nirmala's. The main point of the book was to expound upon the philosophy of Advāitā Vedāntā, the non-dualistic approach in the Vedas. The same philosophy underpins Gurmat, hence the start of every scripture begins with ੴ. The passage above is the 'Manglācharan', the beginning passage in salutation to their focus of worship, in Vichār Sāgar. Traditionally in Sikh literature, one would find Manglācharan's to ੴ, to Devi Ma Shakti, Nanak-Gūrū Gōbind Singh, and occasionally Ganesh. However this concept of recognizing, and using the Mantra of ਸੋਹੰ [I am That], That being the Infinite Ultimate Consciousness, is present in Gurmat.

Its not a question of faith, - its a question of history. Did the Guru write it or not. Its not about believing whether the Guru wrote it or not.

I havent read the article. I was just commenting on the blog in generel.

From Chandi Charitar. Beautiful!!
 
 

From Chandi Charitar. Beautiful!!
 
 

HAHA no i mean was it good?