amardeep

Interestingly, this 'song' by the Sikh females was actually documented in Mughal sources and not in Sikh sources. i've never come across any Sikh source yet that mentions this.
God bless those strong women.

I remember reading that Banda Singh Bahadur asked the Rajput rane of Rajastan to join his Dharam Yudh during his uprising. The rajput rane decided to join the Mughals instead and fight the Sikhs and reestablish Mughal rule over Punjab.

Everyone can recite Vahiguru

Indeed. And the early scholars also appear to have been critical about the writings they had in their hand - Kavi Santokh Singh for instances has a short discussion on the credibility of the Bhai Bala Janamsakhi since he believes it is not to be trusted 100% .. .Western academics always assume they were the first one to be critical on Sikh writings. Rattan Singh Bhangu also likewise says some sakhis were made by SIkhs with good intentions but they are not historically correct etc...
 
In a discussion on apocryphal writings attributed to Guru Gobind Singh, Giani Gian Singh (though from Singh Sabha era ) writes that the elders of his community state they were written by the Guru, but he does'nt know himself whether this is true or not..

LOL

Mate you should do some stand up comedy. I think you got everyone laughing here.

Oh shut up!

Indeed. And the early scholars also appear to have been critical about the writings they had in their hand - Kavi Santokh Singh for instances has a short discussion on the credibility of the Bhai Bala Janamsakhi since he believes it is not to be trusted 100% .. .Western academics always assume they were the first one to be critical on Sikh writings. Rattan Singh Bhangu also likewise says some sakhis were made by SIkhs with good intentions but they are not historically correct etc...
 
In a discussion on apocryphal writings attributed to Guru Gobind Singh, Giani Gian Singh (though from Singh Sabha era ) writes that the elders of his community state they were written by the Guru, but he does'nt know himself whether this is true or not..

Oh shut up!

Mate you should do some stand up comedy. I think you got everyone laughing here.

Oh shut up!

Okay cool, show me any Mughal source that states 250.000 of their forces were wiped out in those battles. Those numbers are quite significant so the Mughal courtiers and scribes must have written it down somewhere.

There wasn't one million Mughals. The Sri Zafarnama is written in poetry and the number 1 million is used as a rhetorical device to suggest that the Singhs were heavily outnumbered.

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Sarmad ji: I would recommend you to start reading our holy scriptures from www.srigranth.org

Im going to close this topic. Please insert all posts into the other thread on the number of enemy forces.
www.sikhawareness.com/topic/17091-number-of-enemy-forces-at-the-battle-of-chamkaur/

Sarmad ji: I would recommend you to start reading our holy scriptures from www.srigranth.org

There wasn't one million Mughals. The Sri Zafarnama is written in poetry and the number 1 million is used as a rhetorical device to suggest that the Singhs were heavily outnumbered.

There wasn't one million Mughals. The Sri Zafarnama is written in poetry and the number 1 million is used as a rhetorical device to suggest that the Singhs were heavily outnumbered.

ਪਢਕੈ ਤਿਹਾਰੀ ਬਾਨੀ ਸ੍ਰੀਮਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ,
ਜੀਵਨ ਮੁਕਤ ਜਨ ਹੋਯ ਰਹੈਂ ਅਗ ਮੈ।
ਸਾਧੁ ਮੇਨ ਸ਼ੇਰਪਨ ਸ਼ੇਰ ਮੇਨ ਸਾਧੁਮਨ,
ਦੋਊ ਪਨ ਦੇਖਿਯਤ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕੇ ਮਗ ਮੇ।
ਗਵਾਲ ਕਵਿ ਅਦਭੁਤ ਬਾਤੇ ਕਹੋਂ ਕੌਨ ਕੌਨ,
ਭੌਨ ਨੌਨ ਜ਼ਾਹਰ ਜ਼ਹੂਰ ਪਗ ਪਗ ਮੇ।
ਸਿਖ ਜੇ ਤਿਹਾਰੇ ਸਭ ਸੰਗਯਾ ਮਾਹਿ ਸਿੰਘ ਭਯੇ,
ਸਮਰ ਮੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਭਯੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਭਯੇ ਜਗ ਮੇ॥
(ਕਵੀ ਗਵਾਲ, ਗੁਰ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਰਤਨਾਵਲੀ. ਪੰਨਾ 253)
 

ਪਢਕੈ ਤਿਹਾਰੀ ਬਾਨੀ ਸ੍ਰੀਮਨ ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਸਿੰਘ,
ਜੀਵਨ ਮੁਕਤ ਜਨ ਹੋਯ ਰਹੈਂ ਅਗ ਮੈ।
ਸਾਧੁ ਮੇਨ ਸ਼ੇਰਪਨ ਸ਼ੇਰ ਮੇਨ ਸਾਧੁਮਨ,
ਦੋਊ ਪਨ ਦੇਖਿਯਤ ਆਪ ਹੀ ਕੇ ਮਗ ਮੇ।
ਗਵਾਲ ਕਵਿ ਅਦਭੁਤ ਬਾਤੇ ਕਹੋਂ ਕੌਨ ਕੌਨ,
ਭੌਨ ਨੌਨ ਜ਼ਾਹਰ ਜ਼ਹੂਰ ਪਗ ਪਗ ਮੇ।
ਸਿਖ ਜੇ ਤਿਹਾਰੇ ਸਭ ਸੰਗਯਾ ਮਾਹਿ ਸਿੰਘ ਭਯੇ,
ਸਮਰ ਮੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਭਯੇ ਸਿੰਘ ਭਯੇ ਜਗ ਮੇ॥
(ਕਵੀ ਗਵਾਲ, ਗੁਰ ਮਹਿਮਾ ਰਤਨਾਵਲੀ. ਪੰਨਾ 253)
 

The Maratha rule of Punjab lasted for less than a year. The conquest of Sirhind was done mainly by the Sikhs - Marathas came in 1-2 days after the city had fallen.
 
 

Congratulations with the wedding, may the Guru grant you both eternal happines

Most of those you mention there were rebels under foreign Muslim rule. Fact is Muslims dominated large parts of India for some 700-800 without any serious contender to power. During this period most Hindu rulers submitted to foreign Muslim rule. Later on the brave Marathas rebeled and were able to go from rebels to rulers. At this same time the Sikhs were kicking the Afghans out of Northern India - de facto ending 800 years of muslim rule!!
Lets not turn this into a "my dad is greater than your dad"... Lets just look at facts.

Several paintings were made of the Gurus during their lifetime - Guru Hargobind, Guru Har Rai, Guru Tegh Bahadur and Guru Gobind Singh. Some of these are pasted into the Dasam Granth Anandpuri bir of 1696