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A true gurmukh sees GOD in every one and every thing...........Sabh Gobind hai, Gobind bin na koyee
 

OK, so you are in effect saying that Men have a different role in this world than women ?
Meaning, that women have an EXTRA duty to worship their husband ? and husband has a non-respecting/sit-back/easy ride ??........isn't that islam ???
How does this really make sense to you ?...

Buddhist Monks through their mind concentration exercises have had great tolerance for pain. One monk actually self immolated himself to protest, and actually sat still through the whole process. I dont think they were Brahmgyanis yet.
Guru Ji says  Man Jeete Jag Jeet.. one who has conquered the mind can conquer anything... so pain is just a little thing
But needless to say power of a Brahmgyani is unlimited.

that's a poor excuse again.
You are saying that gurbani is only for brahmgyanee, ... a limited view is not going to help anyone get to that level.
and NO, the above is not a stage for brahmgyanee because if we make the effort then we can all get there. Brahmgyan comes when the person completely merges in with Brahm., when yoa and brahm become completely ik-mikh.... he becomes you and you become him....................You need to understand this..  as person doing 24./ saas saas doesn't have to be brahmgyaan.. that step comes after.......the complete merging of the mann......
Bro, you have to stop thinking inside the box and stop using only a brahmgyan can do this or do that. You are talking inside the box of your own panj chor and not seeing the truth of gurbani. Gurbani is not about translating it correctly to understand it...it's about ''feeling'' it and getting underneath the surface towards the SACH that it comes from. ......If you have no idea what I am talking about, then you haven't even attempted to see it's Truth
I see gurbani being played about too much on this forum as a tool for battling egos....I urge you all to please not do this and stop using it from it's surface levels. This makes you no better than the missionaries, who do exactly the same.

Don't get mixed up............You have to realise that it is ''displays'' of worship that are not gurmat. ..and this means any kind of display, not just dancing.
Check my post again,, it's about your Mind-atma connection and what you have it focused on.
You have to realise what 'worship' really means.
A gurmukh is meant to get to stage of 24/7 saas saas and rom rom..........If you get there, then that means that any thing you do during that 24/7 can become acts of worship..because your mind will be tied like a knot with satguru.
 

There's nothing wrong with dancing
Dancing can be a form of worship......... It's about what your mind is focused on.
The few of you that may understand true bhangra, will actually know what the moves represent.
You can dance whilst you are doing sift salah of Waheguru, but again it's about your mind-atma connection.
Try it!

That's good.............but Sat, it's actually a little more than that.
You see the mantra itself helps to wake up and manifest the powers of the MIND.
Our limited buddhi doesn't even realise the powers that are hidden and tucked away in this Jyot Saroop Mann.
Thus, Mantra is a 'tool' that is specific in knocking and waking that mind.
NOTE ...man-tra is man=Mind and tra= Tool.

That's good.............but Sat, it's actually a little more than that.
You see the mantra itself helps to wake up and manifest the powers of the MIND.
Our limited buddhi doesn't even realise the powers that are hidden and tucked away in this Jyot Saroop Mann.
Thus, Mantra is a 'tool' that is specific in knocking and waking that mind.
NOTE ...man-tra is man=Mind and tra= Tool.

Paapiman, ...we all can conquer.   we all have the same minds. ...bramgyanee's mind is drenched in the paramatma completely... but it is still the same jyot saroop.
You have to try and look at everything as a whole.
To be in gurmat, you have to step towards non-dualistic. ..
When you say brahm-gyanee and non brahm gyanee...then you are creating even more dualistic dubida...in this maya world that we are already in.
That my friend, is the wrong attitude when walking towards God. We have to try and learn to stop seeing black and white. and creating excuses of this white that is black,, this is man that is woman...etc.
 

A true gurmukh sees GOD in every one and every thing...........Sabh Gobind hai, Gobind bin na koyee
 

That's good.............but Sat, it's actually a little more than that.
You see the mantra itself helps to wake up and manifest the powers of the MIND.
Our limited buddhi doesn't even realise the powers that are hidden and tucked away in this Jyot Saroop Mann.
Thus, Mantra is a 'tool' that is specific in knocking and waking that mind.
NOTE ...man-tra is man=Mind and tra= Tool.

There's nothing wrong with dancing
Dancing can be a form of worship......... It's about what your mind is focused on.
The few of you that may understand true bhangra, will actually know what the moves represent.
You can dance whilst you are doing sift salah of Waheguru, but again it's about your mind-atma connection.
Try it!

Quite simply...we have Mind, body and Soul.
Soul is the atma,----drop in ocean-->drop of atma in paramatma
Mind is jyot saroop...OR it came from the same paramatma origin, but now in Maya it thinks that it is the master and the one running the show !
When I say ""running the show"..............i'm referring to Body, remember we are Mind, Body and Soul.. ..And the Mind has become enveloped in the matrix illusion and thinks that it controls both the body and the soul.. ...It actually acts like it is the master of the atma,, and this is the same atma from which it was formed..(the jyot saroop)
Adding to this,, I've just realized that quite simply... this is how us descriptions of Man-mat(Mind's wisdom) and Gur-mat(atma's wisdom)  are coined.
Thus, when we let the MIND be the master over the Atma.-->then we are in MAN-MAT.   
But if we let ATMA be the master of Mind, then we in GUR-MAT
 
So, what's the secret of getting the Atma/soul to show it's true self and be mastering the Mind ??..............in more simple words, by stilling that racing hyperactive mind.
 
 
 
 

It's really good..........natural....and like N30 says....''getting in touch with intuition"
and I swear it works if you do it with serious intentions..and it will help in conquering your mind, ..overcoming weaknesses and panj chor..In fact, ..anyone one of your panj chor issues can be addressed and worked at.
It makes you look at any given situation ''outside'  of your own ego...........and this all fits in nicely for me in terms of gurmat and trying to keep the proper jeevan jach.
 
You know,,  people don't go around saying that they visit a psychologist or see a counsellor....but my case was quite different......and I'm completely open about it.  The ones that shun and disregard are the ones that always hide their own weaknesses and insecurities.
It was part of my physical rehabilitation after coming out of a coma with multiple injuries........The fact that nearly all my therapists have been spiritually inclined and not Sikhs, has probably helped a great deal and I have only used natural, alternative and adjunct therapies.
 
 

It's really good..........natural....and like N30 says....''getting in touch with intuition"
and I swear it works if you do it with serious intentions..and it will help in conquering your mind, ..overcoming weaknesses and panj chor..In fact, ..anyone one of your panj chor issues can be addressed and worked at.
It makes you look at any given situation ''outside'  of your own ego...........and this all fits in nicely for me in terms of gurmat and trying to keep the proper jeevan jach.
 
You know,,  people don't go around saying that they visit a psychologist or see a counsellor....but my case was quite different......and I'm completely open about it.  The ones that shun and disregard are the ones that always hide their own weaknesses and insecurities.
It was part of my physical rehabilitation after coming out of a coma with multiple injuries........The fact that nearly all my therapists have been spiritually inclined and not Sikhs, has probably helped a great deal and I have only used natural, alternative and adjunct therapies.
 
 

It's really good..........natural....and like N30 says....''getting in touch with intuition"
and I swear it works if you do it with serious intentions..and it will help in conquering your mind, ..overcoming weaknesses and panj chor..In fact, ..anyone one of your panj chor issues can be addressed and worked at.
It makes you look at any given situation ''outside'  of your own ego...........and this all fits in nicely for me in terms of gurmat and trying to keep the proper jeevan jach.
 
You know,,  people don't go around saying that they visit a psychologist or see a counsellor....but my case was quite different......and I'm completely open about it.  The ones that shun and disregard are the ones that always hide their own weaknesses and insecurities.
It was part of my physical rehabilitation after coming out of a coma with multiple injuries........The fact that nearly all my therapists have been spiritually inclined and not Sikhs, has probably helped a great deal and I have only used natural, alternative and adjunct therapies.
 
 

I'm telling you guys.....last night (pooranmashi).... I certainly felt the moons energy and had plenty of subtle vibrations flowing within...  I'm really not surprised that you felt the same Sat...(I did suggest on an other thread that everyone have a go at some meaningful jap and I was being serious!)
I swear this moon business and pooranmashi... is bigger than we actually realise..  ...and I'm not saying that because of nanaksar.. because I've never been associated with any jatha......But seriously, I've only realised the spiritual strengths and truth that has come from Nanaksar's directions since I've been doing abyaas myself.
Dhan dhan Guru Nanak Dev ji.......

This is mostly when the prana energy is balancing and aligning. The distribution of the prana/chi is very irregular in us manmukhs because of so many blocked energy channels.
When these type of complete involuntary movements come then you should try to overcome them by continuing and being persistent in my opinion....I say this because anytime I have experienced these--->>>usually results in moving to a higher next stage.
However, if you pull back, then you may start stepping down a level or two.
Yoga and postural asanas are VERY useful in helping minimize blocked energy flows and helping one's progress. and I gave personally found sitting upright, back straight, completely centered help me dramatically..... and this should also help if one goes towards very deep stages of sunn samadhi
 
This is slightly different and not so "involuntary"....since it's the "emotions" that help induce such a state. Nevertheless, it is one of "jor" and power that can help the strong discipline minded...... Good on you man...this is the same spiritual strength required in ghatka and martial arts to bring out hidden physical strengths and energies.
It is still 'meditative' because you are focusing inner emotions and energies directly into strength.......this is exactly what real kung-fu meditation is about.
 

This is mostly when the prana energy is balancing and aligning. The distribution of the prana/chi is very irregular in us manmukhs because of so many blocked energy channels.
When these type of complete involuntary movements come then you should try to overcome them by continuing and being persistent in my opinion....I say this because anytime I have experienced these--->>>usually results in moving to a higher next stage.
However, if you pull back, then you may start stepping down a level or two.
Yoga and postural asanas are VERY useful in helping minimize blocked energy flows and helping one's progress. and I gave personally found sitting upright, back straight, completely centered help me dramatically..... and this should also help if one goes towards very deep stages of sunn samadhi
 
This is slightly different and not so "involuntary"....since it's the "emotions" that help induce such a state. Nevertheless, it is one of "jor" and power that can help the strong discipline minded...... Good on you man...this is the same spiritual strength required in ghatka and martial arts to bring out hidden physical strengths and energies.
It is still 'meditative' because you are focusing inner emotions and energies directly into strength.......this is exactly what real kung-fu meditation is about.
 

There is so much different stuff about colours and lights in meditation that it can get quite confusing.
My own understanding and little conclusions are that all the colours of spectrum will come and go as part of the kundalini process.
The idea is to just let them pass and not stop, or just pass through them as if you are going through different coloured tunnels. Think of Gurmantar as the driving force taking you through and hold on to the this.
If you do this and hold gurmantar, then most of these should pass through quite quickly(days/weeks) but when you get to purple/violet...it should get a little calmer and steady.
 
 

I would seriously suggest you do some hardcore silent jap and try feel the moons energy like the waves of the sea do. You can absorb lots of good energies from the natural sources around you.
When proximity and distances are good such that visual clarity can be observed, then the intensity of good/truthful energies can increase in magnitude.

I would seriously suggest you do some hardcore silent jap and try feel the moons energy like the waves of the sea do. You can absorb lots of good energies from the natural sources around you.
When proximity and distances are good such that visual clarity can be observed, then the intensity of good/truthful energies can increase in magnitude.

I would seriously suggest you do some hardcore silent jap and try feel the moons energy like the waves of the sea do. You can absorb lots of good energies from the natural sources around you.
When proximity and distances are good such that visual clarity can be observed, then the intensity of good/truthful energies can increase in magnitude.

Raagmala ji, Yes, the charitars are unrelated to the shabad and are in completely different contexts.
.........your understanding is correct and that approach in attitude is of benefit to all of us. You can come back to the same shabad a year later and you shall be able to dwell even deeper. But I  agree that it is desires of tongue and also desires of lower down genitalia/sexual promises/demands/needs...etc.
On the surface they may appear similar, but in NO way does gurbani ever contradict.  If I happen to come across something and there does seem some contradiction, then it's ALWAYS my own shortcoming and self created problem.
For eg. I'm sure we have all come across the shabad where Guru Nanak ji praises woman and explains that man is born from woman and then he marries/consummates with woman......
ਭੰਡਿ  ਜੰਮੀਐ  ਭੰਡਿ  ਨਿੰਮੀਐ  ਭੰਡਿ  ਮੰਗਣੁ  ਵੀਆਹੁ  ॥
Bẖand jammī▫ai bẖand nimmī▫ai bẖand mangaṇ vī▫āhu.
From woman, man is born; within woman, man is conceived; to woman he is engaged and married.
Sadly, this shabad is again wrongly used to create more duality by wrong interpretations by masses................In this shabad, Guru ji is praising woman and actually if you go even spiritually deeper, he is in fact praising feminine maya itself, since gurmukh can only be created and transformed when born in maya... BUT only the TRUE AKAL PURAKH is without woman or maya/ since he was forever the TRUTH and didn't need any transforming from maya. (I'm not going to go off topic here)
But the point I'm making is that "How can Guruji praise woman in one and then disregard or pull out negatives in the other??"
IMPOSSIBLE-- Guru NEVER contradicts because TRUTH can never contradict itself.
Another example of what we see nowadays..........What are some major qualities that make a good lawyer lets say ??.. It' always a lawyer who pulls out and highlights Contradictions in some witness testimony or statement.........WHY? because lawyer can prove to the judge that the witness is somehow contradicting, then the judge/jury know and will be certain that such statement MUST be deviating away from the Truth. Since, they know in back of their minds that truth cannot contradict itself. Thus the witness has been exposed, the deviation away from truth of the matter has been confirmed......and there you go, decision made   ........SO, it's pretty Simple really----->TRUTH can never contradict.
If we remember this simple rule and apply it to gurbani, we would all understand it much better.
Chariters and lust are a different ball game to SGGS gurbani. Gurbani is direct spiritual guidance....I know some younger Sikhs won't get this or understand.
There are major misconceptions amongst Sikhs that lust is essential for procreation, so we all need a little bit of this vice for arousal and all that crap!..........absolute nonsense, because real spiritually elated and Waheguru connected couples will still consummate, they don't go brahmacharya. But their act does not have an ounce of lust, it will be an act of worship, whereby they embrace and connect with the god-atma in each other with pure love and pure truth.
 
 
 

Raagmala ji, Yes, the charitars are unrelated to the shabad and are in completely different contexts.
.........your understanding is correct and that approach in attitude is of benefit to all of us. You can come back to the same shabad a year later and you shall be able to dwell even deeper. But I  agree that it is desires of tongue and also desires of lower down genitalia/sexual promises/demands/needs...etc.
On the surface they may appear similar, but in NO way does gurbani ever contradict.  If I happen to come across something and there does seem some contradiction, then it's ALWAYS my own shortcoming and self created problem.
For eg. I'm sure we have all come across the shabad where Guru Nanak ji praises woman and explains that man is born from woman and then he marries/consummates with woman......
ਭੰਡਿ  ਜੰਮੀਐ  ਭੰਡਿ  ਨਿੰਮੀਐ  ਭੰਡਿ  ਮੰਗਣੁ  ਵੀਆਹੁ  ॥
Bẖand jammī▫ai bẖand nimmī▫ai bẖand mangaṇ vī▫āhu.
From woman, man is born; within woman, man is conceived; to woman he is engaged and married.
Sadly, this shabad is again wrongly used to create more duality by wrong interpretations by masses................In this shabad, Guru ji is praising woman and actually if you go even spiritually deeper, he is in fact praising feminine maya itself, since gurmukh can only be created and transformed when born in maya... BUT only the TRUE AKAL PURAKH is without woman or maya/ since he was forever the TRUTH and didn't need any transforming from maya. (I'm not going to go off topic here)
But the point I'm making is that "How can Guruji praise woman in one and then disregard or pull out negatives in the other??"
IMPOSSIBLE-- Guru NEVER contradicts because TRUTH can never contradict itself.
Another example of what we see nowadays..........What are some major qualities that make a good lawyer lets say ??.. It' always a lawyer who pulls out and highlights Contradictions in some witness testimony or statement.........WHY? because lawyer can prove to the judge that the witness is somehow contradicting, then the judge/jury know and will be certain that such statement MUST be deviating away from the Truth. Since, they know in back of their minds that truth cannot contradict itself. Thus the witness has been exposed, the deviation away from truth of the matter has been confirmed......and there you go, decision made   ........SO, it's pretty Simple really----->TRUTH can never contradict.
If we remember this simple rule and apply it to gurbani, we would all understand it much better.
Chariters and lust are a different ball game to SGGS gurbani. Gurbani is direct spiritual guidance....I know some younger Sikhs won't get this or understand.
There are major misconceptions amongst Sikhs that lust is essential for procreation, so we all need a little bit of this vice for arousal and all that crap!..........absolute nonsense, because real spiritually elated and Waheguru connected couples will still consummate, they don't go brahmacharya. But their act does not have an ounce of lust, it will be an act of worship, whereby they embrace and connect with the god-atma in each other with pure love and pure truth.