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Sexual deviation or homosexuality shouldn't be mixed into sikhism because it is not about sikhi.
Sikhi is about following the guru and going from darkness to light. It's about taking that ascension into spirituality that makes way to the 'Transformation'.... the transforming of manmukh to gurmukh.

Black,white,brown,yellow,tall,thin fat,gay, obsessed with kaam, obsessed with lobh,..greed, sloth....whatever,..,we are all Human and we all have the One chance to Transform from manmukh to gurmukh.

What should we be more concerned about planting ?.....the seeds for procreation ?

ਕਰਮ ਭੂਮਿ ਮਹਿ ਬੋਅਹੁ ਨਾਮੁ ॥
Karam bẖūm mėh bo▫ahu nām.
In the field of karma, plant the seed of the Naam.

it's all a karam bhum-field of karma , because after so so many incarnations we get this one human life.
Therefore, it doesn't matter whether you were given the full deh/body to procreate or not, we all get what is destined as per our own karma, which is as per ego.
Gurbani says that after so so many incarnations we get this One chance.
The only seed to plant that really matters is the one of naam, not about procreating or not.


ਚਿਰੰਕਾਲ ਇਹ ਦੇਹ ਸੰਜਰੀਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Cẖirankāl ih ḏeh sanjarī▫ā. ||1|| rahā▫o.
After so very long, this human body was fashioned for you. ||1||Pause

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਸੈਲ ਗਿਰਿ ਕਰਿਆ ॥
Ka▫ī janam sail gir kari▫ā. In so many incarnations, you were rocks and mountains;

ਕਈ ਜਨਮ ਗਰਭ ਹਿਰਿ ਖਰਿਆ ॥
Ka▫ī janam garabẖ hir kẖari▫ā.
in so many incarnations, you were aborted in the womb;
Many many incarnations where we may evolve into full blown men and women (Adam and Eve) or we may not !
Just a note on the pangti above about being the aborted incarnation,... I heard someone once mention that people who self rid their bodies or commit suicide, are then born again and again aborted through the womb.....their karmic debt becomes such that their soul longs and begs for the deh/tanh/body of human life. ...but the only way to pay the debt is by facing the karmic shortcomings every time.

This is because eh janam tumare lekhe as bhagat ravidas says

ਬਹੁਤ ਜਨਮ ਬਿਛੁਰੇ ਥੇ ਮਾਧਉ ਇਹੁ ਜਨਮੁ ਤੁਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਰੇ ਲੇਖੇ ॥
Bahuṯ janam bicẖẖure the māḏẖa▫o ih janam ṯumĥāre lekẖe.
For so many incarnations, I have been separated from You, Lord; I dedicate this life to You.
....it is our accounts, our deeds or our lekhe that are the root of separation.

We are all born as manukhs with this ONE chance to find and merge with the One Truth.

ਭਈ ਪਰਾਪਤਿ ਮਾਨੁਖ ਦੇਹੁਰੀਆ ॥
Bẖa▫ī parāpaṯ mānukẖ ḏehurī▫ā.
This human body has been given to you.

ਗੋਬਿੰਦ ਮਿਲਣ ਕੀ ਇਹ ਤੇਰੀ ਬਰੀਆ ॥
Gobinḏ milaṇ kī ih ṯerī barī▫ā.
This is your chance to meet the Lord of the Universe.


This is the only thing that sikhi tells us to examine and look at because this(human life) is what we all have in common. The Transformation that sikhi is meant to make is for the human, doesn't matter if your a cannibal like kaudah raksh, a gay, a hetero pervert or a kuhsrah-hemaphrodite.........sill human....still have the mind...still have the chance to make the Transformation with the guidance of guru from darkness to light.

I cannot speak for all Sikhs, But I and numerous other Sikhs I have met since my childhood believed in Guru Nanak being Nirankar.

Since you have a written proof from SGGS about Gurus being God, what do you have to say now ?

It don't get any clearer than this -

ਸਤਜੁਗਿ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਛਲਿਓ ਬਲਿ ਬਾਵਨ ਭਾਇਓ ॥
In Satyug, You enjoyed deceiving and liberating King Bali in the Vaman avtar.

ਤ੍ਰੇਤੈ ਤੈ ਮਾਣਿਓ ਰਾਮੁ ਰਘੁਵੰਸੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
In Treta, You loved being called King Ram, of the Raghu Dynasty.
ਦੁਆਪੁਰਿ ਕ੍ਰਿਸਨ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ਕੰਸੁ ਕਿਰਤਾਰਥੁ ਕੀਓ ॥
In Dwapar, You, Krishan Murara, killed Kans and saved everyone.

ਉਗ੍ਰਸੈਣ ਕਉ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਭੈ ਭਗਤਹ ਜਨ ਦੀਓ ॥
You granted Kingship to Ugrasain and elevated your devotees.

ਕਲਿਜੁਗਿ ਪ੍ਰਮਾਣੁ ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰੁ ਅੰਗਦੁ ਅਮਰੁ ਕਹਾਇਓ ॥
In Kaliyug, You came as Guru Nanak Dev, Guru Angad Dev and Guru Amardas.

ਸ੍ਰੀ ਗੁਰੂ ਰਾਜੁ ਅਬਿਚਲੁ ਅਟਲੁ ਆਦਿ ਪੁਰਖਿ ਫੁਰਮਾਇਓ ॥੭॥
The rule of Guru Sahibs is unchanging, unmovable, by His very command.

Guru Granth Sahib, 1390

Seriously, I don't understand why collective sikh community does not stand up against these right wing hooligans, self proclaimed self righteous obnoxious groups. I know they are afraid retaliation, demonization, shaming and ostracization from these people but there comes an time where sticking to reasonable (this film provides perfect balance of not showing maharaj full face -uphelding satkar and movie) freedom of speech/freedom of liberty principles trumps all as its our very fabric in gurmat sidhant and Our Guru's and shaheeds gave their life for. Sri Guru Gobind Singh Maharaj himself was full support of artistic expression in 52 kavi darbar, wrote very beautiful graphic war poetry krishan avtar in sri dasam granth, had support various indic related such as of war/avtar nataks(drama/plays) in his darbar.

As they say, its cowardice to intimidate and send people away, but its bigger cowardice as part of our collective society to sit back and watch intimidation happening. But I understand these types of right wing groups people are really dangerous, they will attack families/petrol bomb cars/smash house windows too as part of retaliation as well.

As you said, you are planning to watch DVD with your family..I too really anticipating to watch it after good reviews, i wasn't planning to watch it before but after i heard good reviews, heard numerous reports sikh right wing people to threaten to kill producer,director of the movie, intimidated sangat sending them away both in canada and UK..I refuse to be silence by these people. I will rebel against these hooligans, shenanigans as well will be watching it fully with my family as well decide it for myself and rather than taking these people word for it.

I'm very disappointed that at our local cinema the Khalsa fauge is protesting outside and sending people away who want to watch it and gurdwaras are writing to them to get further showings removed.

https://www.facebook.com/Gurukhalsa11?ref=ts&fref=ts

We are happy for artist pictures to be drawn and put up. Even mediocre cartoons and low budget films made with drawings to depict characters.
We have 100s of saakhia told on stage without anyone questioning their validity or accuracy.
Take it to the next level and make a proper film and everyone jumps up and down.

I have been waiting so many years for something like this from the moment I watched Mahabarat and Ramayan. I used to think how great it would be if Sikh's made it of our Gurus. If I can't watch it in the movies I'm definitely going to buy the dvd and let my son watch it when he gets older.

I recently started listening to this Sukhmani Sahib katha and think it has excellent guidance and reinforcement on naam simran.

Highly recommended and very inspiring.

www.sikhmysticism.org/LiveDiscourses.aspx

We should get into the habit with both actions and thought processes that "HE is the DOER"
He does, he commands, we exist only because of his doing and it's all his play.
As soon as we start assuming or calculating some efforts we think that are our own doing then immediately we step towards further boundaries of Duality.

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥
Parabẖ kai simran binsai ḏūjā.

What is DUJA ??
It is the duality...or the other side of EK-Onkaar.
On one side there is 'EK Parabh, the One almighty,... and on the other side of the duality fence there is the Ego filled existence.
This ego is the one that claims credit for all good efforts but tries to deny, even to itself ,...it's own shortcomings !


I know we are all in different situations as per karmic relationships and social/economic/work status. Therefore we may have to make different amends or dealings with fulfilling karmas that can quite easily make us feel like we have put in more effort that our neighbor let's say.... But in my opinion, I think it's wiser and safer to start treading this path with the 'it's not me' ego attitude. This should make the journey more positive in our own spiritual development.

We have to learn to crawl before we can learn to walk this path. So what better way to start, in knowing that it is God who is leading all the crawling.

Gobind the master of the whole universe and the universe itself is inside you !!

The best thing that I can say is to Not give up or get scared of Prabh ka simran.

I'm not going to try and find or give conclusions to your scenario in this case but all I can say is that it is a major distraction because it has weakened your frame of mind.
You need to pump up with a stronger mental and positive attitude that should help you steer from the many obstacles that are to come on this path.
One solution is to stop asking and questioning yourself of ''why is this happening?'' and ''what does it mean?''......because that won't help in your progress.
Believe me, In my experience you can definitely override it all by self tuning your mind and insisting to yourself that you only want your Dhyan on His simran and nothing else.

Just taking a look at slok 49, 50 and 51 out of the many.....

ਕਬੀਰ ਥੋਰੈ ਜਲਿ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਝੀਵਰਿ ਮੇਲਿਓ ਜਾਲੁ ॥
Kabeer Thhorai Jal Maashhulee Jheevar Maeliou Jaal ||
Kabeer, the fish is in the shallow water; the fisherman has cast his net.

ਇਹ ਟੋਘਨੈ ਨ ਛੂਟਸਹਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮੁੰਦੁ ਸਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਲਿ ॥੪੯॥
Eih Ttoghanai N Shhoottasehi Fir Kar Samundh Samhaal ||49||
You shall not escape this little pool; think about returning to the ocean. ||49||


ਕਬੀਰ ਸਮੁੰਦੁ ਨ ਛੋਡੀਐ ਜਉ ਅਤਿ ਖਾਰੋ ਹੋਇ ॥
Kabeer Samundh N Shhoddeeai Jo Ath Khaaro Hoe ||
Kabeer, do not leave the ocean, even if it is very salty.

ਪੋਖਰਿ ਪੋਖਰਿ ਢੂਢਤੇ ਭਲੋ ਨ ਕਹਿਹੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੫੦॥
Pokhar Pokhar Dtoodtathae Bhalo N Kehihai Koe ||50||
If you poke around searching from puddle to puddle, no one will call you smart. ||50||


ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਗੁਸਾਂਏਂ ਬਹਿ ਗਏ ਥਾਂਘੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥
Kabeer Nigusaaneaen Behi Geae Thhaanghee Naahee Koe ||
Kabeer, those who have no guru are washed away. No one can help them.

ਦੀਨ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਆਪੁਨੀ ਕਰਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੫੧॥
Dheen Gareebee Aapunee Karathae Hoe S Hoe ||51||
Be meek and humble; whatever happens is what the Creator Lord does. ||51||

Many of Kabir slok seem to amaze me every time I go back and read them.
The depth and strengths of Kabirji's statements can be astounding.

One thing I have noticed about the 2 line couplets(dohe)..is that they can stand alone by themselves, but they also seem to follow along one after the other as if they answer the ''why'' and ''how'' in the subsequent lines.

An example is the messages in 49,50 and 51..............

ਕਬੀਰ ਥੋਰੈ ਜਲਿ ਮਾਛੁਲੀ ਝੀਵਰਿ ਮੇਲਿਓ ਜਾਲੁ ॥
Kabeer Thhorai Jal Maashhulee Jheevar Maeliou Jaal ||
Kabeer, the fish is in the shallow water; the fisherman has cast his net.

In 1st line of (49) above.....
Note, - that a fish in thorai jal (shallow water) like a pond does not need a fisherman's net to catch it !!
So in this case, the fisherman will catch EVERYTHING with his cast net from this pond...There is just no escaping of the fish!
So what should the fish do if it doesn't want to get caught ?
answer is below...It should go into bigger waters where it can escape the confines of such net.


ਇਹ ਟੋਘਨੈ ਨ ਛੂਟਸਹਿ ਫਿਰਿ ਕਰਿ ਸਮੁੰਦੁ ਸਮ੍ਹ੍ਹਾਲਿ ॥੪੯॥
Eih Ttoghanai N Shhoottasehi Fir Kar Samundh Samhaal ||49||
You shall not escape this little pool; think about returning to the ocean. ||49||

The fish = Human soul
and the little jal/small pond = this small world in the universe. The world that is in the territory of kal's net.
We are trapped in this net, but if we try to get into chautha padh/4th dimension/turiya avastha...then we can be in the same Ek Prabh outside of this duality.


In the next verse(50),....he goes further to say//

ਕਬੀਰ ਸਮੁੰਦੁ ਨ ਛੋਡੀਐ ਜਉ ਅਤਿ ਖਾਰੋ ਹੋਇ ॥
Kabeer Samundh N Shhoddeeai Jo Ath Khaaro Hoe ||
Kabeer, do not leave the ocean, even if it is very salty.

Now he is saying that the survival in the ocean may be difficult. We can't survive on salty water alone (most creatures from ponds can't survive in deeper saltier waters).

Don't assume that it's an easy task that once you get to that avastha or ocean..it will be an easy ride.
On the other hand.. don't get scared and leave it under the assumption that maintaining gurmukh avastha is too difficult to prolong. Many great beings have failed in this respect and fallen back into traps of maya's net.

Next line he goes a step further into telling us or warning us about how one may poke around from puddles to ponds..looking for the one that the fisheman(Kal) may not approach.

ਪੋਖਰਿ ਪੋਖਰਿ ਢੂਢਤੇ ਭਲੋ ਨ ਕਹਿਹੈ ਕੋਇ ॥੫੦॥
Pokhar Pokhar Dtoodtathae Bhalo N Kehihai Koe ||50||
If you poke around searching from puddle to puddle, no one will call you smart. ||50||

This is in regard to how one goes and jumps from guru to master/sadhu/ saint and even faith, looking for the better option. Kabirji says that you will just waste your time and no one will think you're smart or any wiser.
An act of manmat intellect where our mind convinces us that the other master is greater because evidence shows how such and such...went so and so...etc.


Going further into next verse(51), he reinforces the statement of not to poke around

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਗੁਸਾਂਏਂ ਬਹਿ ਗਏ ਥਾਂਘੀ ਨਾਹੀ ਕੋਇ ॥
Kabeer Nigusaaneaen Behi Geae Thhaanghee Naahee Koe ||
Kabeer, those who have no guru are washed away. No one can help them.

nigusain=one without lord, guru, patronage
thanghi=to guide,sailor....the one that can lead the way
so, whats the solution if you have no teacher, no guru..no guide .

If you don't have guide to show or help lead you out of the ponds.....then No one will be able to show you.....You need a living guru to guide you through the living waters.... a satguru......Sri Guru granth sahib ji.


ਦੀਨ ਗਰੀਬੀ ਆਪੁਨੀ ਕਰਤੇ ਹੋਇ ਸੁ ਹੋਇ ॥੫੧॥
Dheen Gareebee Aapunee Karathae Hoe S Hoe ||51||
Be meek and humble; whatever happens is what the Creator Lord does. ||51||

I think... ''Deen garibi''= be humble and meek with regards to your faith.
There is a lot behind these words because you can't claim that the Lord is going to take you in his abode because of your faith.....This is not ''deen garibi'' ..............Being humble of your faith and guide cannot be declared. It's like saying 'I am silent'' ? ..
The silence can only be observed in your action and not by your declaration. In the same way being humble about your pond/faith cannot be declared either.

We should get into the habit with both actions and thought processes that "HE is the DOER"
He does, he commands, we exist only because of his doing and it's all his play.
As soon as we start assuming or calculating some efforts we think that are our own doing then immediately we step towards further boundaries of Duality.

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥
Parabẖ kai simran binsai ḏūjā.

What is DUJA ??
It is the duality...or the other side of EK-Onkaar.
On one side there is 'EK Parabh, the One almighty,... and on the other side of the duality fence there is the Ego filled existence.
This ego is the one that claims credit for all good efforts but tries to deny, even to itself ,...it's own shortcomings !


I know we are all in different situations as per karmic relationships and social/economic/work status. Therefore we may have to make different amends or dealings with fulfilling karmas that can quite easily make us feel like we have put in more effort that our neighbor let's say.... But in my opinion, I think it's wiser and safer to start treading this path with the 'it's not me' ego attitude. This should make the journey more positive in our own spiritual development.

We have to learn to crawl before we can learn to walk this path. So what better way to start, in knowing that it is God who is leading all the crawling.

We should get into the habit with both actions and thought processes that "HE is the DOER"
He does, he commands, we exist only because of his doing and it's all his play.
As soon as we start assuming or calculating some efforts we think that are our own doing then immediately we step towards further boundaries of Duality.

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥
Parabẖ kai simran binsai ḏūjā.

What is DUJA ??
It is the duality...or the other side of EK-Onkaar.
On one side there is 'EK Parabh, the One almighty,... and on the other side of the duality fence there is the Ego filled existence.
This ego is the one that claims credit for all good efforts but tries to deny, even to itself ,...it's own shortcomings !


I know we are all in different situations as per karmic relationships and social/economic/work status. Therefore we may have to make different amends or dealings with fulfilling karmas that can quite easily make us feel like we have put in more effort that our neighbor let's say.... But in my opinion, I think it's wiser and safer to start treading this path with the 'it's not me' ego attitude. This should make the journey more positive in our own spiritual development.

We have to learn to crawl before we can learn to walk this path. So what better way to start, in knowing that it is God who is leading all the crawling.

We should get into the habit with both actions and thought processes that "HE is the DOER"
He does, he commands, we exist only because of his doing and it's all his play.
As soon as we start assuming or calculating some efforts we think that are our own doing then immediately we step towards further boundaries of Duality.

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕੈ ਸਿਮਰਨਿ ਬਿਨਸੈ ਦੂਜਾ ॥
Parabẖ kai simran binsai ḏūjā.

What is DUJA ??
It is the duality...or the other side of EK-Onkaar.
On one side there is 'EK Parabh, the One almighty,... and on the other side of the duality fence there is the Ego filled existence.
This ego is the one that claims credit for all good efforts but tries to deny, even to itself ,...it's own shortcomings !


I know we are all in different situations as per karmic relationships and social/economic/work status. Therefore we may have to make different amends or dealings with fulfilling karmas that can quite easily make us feel like we have put in more effort that our neighbor let's say.... But in my opinion, I think it's wiser and safer to start treading this path with the 'it's not me' ego attitude. This should make the journey more positive in our own spiritual development.

We have to learn to crawl before we can learn to walk this path. So what better way to start, in knowing that it is God who is leading all the crawling.

Brother,
it is His Grace, His hukum which makes us put the effort; or say it the other round, it is His alone Grace which gives sense to our efforts.

To summarize in few words the reality of existence, is possible in the following two points:

1) Sat : Wahiguru Akal Purukh and His Naam. There where He is, it is all harmony, permanent, and blissfull.

2) Asat:Maya and all the paraphernalia due to it, or let us say, everything apart from Him. Here nothing is permanent, everything is transient, full of faults, pain and sorrow, birth & death....

And our sole purpose is, to cross from darkness of agyanta, towards Him, the source and origin of True Light.

But how to achieve this? Is it by chance? By our efforts?

Well, the answer to these questions, is given to us by Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj in Raag Aasaa, in the following words:

ਪ੍ਰਭੁ ਹੋਇ ਕ੍ਰਿਪਾਲੁ ਤ ਇਹੁ ਮਨੁ ਲਾਈ
Prabh Hoe Kirapaal Th Eihu Man Laaee
प्रभु होइ क्रिपालु त इहु मनु लाई
When God shows His Mercy, then this mind is focused on Him.


I think, having these words of Guru Jee full of wisdom and Truth in front of us, we do not need any more debates nor elaborations ....

You see, having eyes and keeping them open widely, even then, in utter darkness we shall see nothing .....

But with Light, we shall see everything around us.

It is the presence or absence of Light, which makes the difference.

In a similar way, it is because of His Grace alone, for which we can move(our efforts) towrads Him.

It is by His Hukum, His pyar, His Daya Meher, that we can ever even think of Him, and long for His darshan.


As First Patshahee has stated also: Sochay soch na hovaee, jeh sochay lakh vaar.

All our efforts, our thinking, even a hundreds of thousands of times is in vain, if His Hukum is not menat for us....yugas upon yugas may pass away, but without His Glance of Daya Meher, we have absolutely nothing to do....

We are all blind, not only that, but heavily filthy(karmically) also ....

So unless, He with sight, catches us by our arm, and pulls us along with Him, all our efforts are useless.

Sat Sree Akal.

A wonderful explantion by bhai saab ji and a little wake up call as well.

Naam abyaasis will appreciate the contents of thiis video.Enjoy.

This pangtis were taken from Ang 1162

He is like the sky, stretching across the lower, upper and middle realms.
araDh uraDh mukh laago kaas.
In the profoundly silent celestial realm, He radiates forth.
sunn mandal meh kar pargaas.
Neither the sun nor the moon are there,
oohaaN sooraj naahee chand.
but the Primal Immaculate Lord celebrates there. ||5||
aad niranjan karai anand.
Know that He is in the universe, and in the body as well.
so barahmand pind so jaan.
Take your cleansing bath in the Mansarovar Lake.
maan sarovar kar isnaan.
Chant "Sohang" - "He is me."
sohaN so jaa ka-o hai jaap.
He is not affected by either virtue or vice. ||6||
jaa ka-o lipat na ho-ay punn ar paap. ||6||
He is not affected by either high or low social class, sunshine or shade.
abran baran ghaam nahee chhaam.
He is in the Guru`s Sanctuary, and nowhere else.
avar na paa-ee-ai gur kee saam.
He is not diverted by diversions, comings or goings.
taaree na tarai aavai na jaa-ay.
Remain intuitively absorbed in the celestial void. ||7||
sunn sahj meh rahi-o samaa-ay. ||7||
One who knows the Lord in the mind
man maDhay jaanai jay ko-ay.
- whatever he says, comes to pass.
jo bolai so aapai ho-ay.
One who firmly implants the Lord`s Divine Light, and His Mantra within the mind
jot mantar man asthir karai.
- says Kabeer, such a mortal crosses over to the other side. ||8||1||
kahi kabeer so paraanee tarai.

Have a listen to this jugti at 2 hours 3 mins and 50 seconds into the video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=leK7eidglJo&t=123m50s

It sounds quite peaceful and that is how it should be. Glad you were meditating instead of the shows of women crying and wailing that we often witness. These never help the situation.

Just hold on to that divine connection within.

That's a very nice way of contemplating.
Just to add, I also had my own thought of thinking of the Guru's charan placed firmly in your heart in that his feet sit at the point where your love and simran begins the ascension ....and this is when your heart lotus blossoms.
Quite a few terms used in gurbani with regards to this like hirda kamal and kamal pargasia.

Beautiful topic Neo Veer Jee,
reading it now, I recall something related to it quite a few years back....

I do not remember, if I read it, or heard it from someone, but the thing is, I liked it a lot and it was graved on my mind and heart, and so I will surely share it with the sangat here....

It all started with the the tuk " Charan Kamal Tere doe doe peevaa ......"

You see, if there are Charan Kamal, surely, Charnamrit is also bound to be there .....

So the explanation I saw or was given, was that, as Wahiguru is Nirankar, doing His Simran, was like washing(doe, doe) His Lotus Feet.

And then, as a consequence of that His Simran bhakti, the Shabad is audible. So, listening that divine melody, that Akashi Bani, that Shabad Dhun, is like drinking the Charnamrit of Wahiguru....

I found it quite rational and logical also, cause we know through the Bani, that listening to that Shabad , that Naam within us, is the only way, to become free from the cycle of births and deaths, and also the means to merge in Wahiguru.

Dhan dhan Satguru Sachay Patshah Arjan Dev Maharaj, regarding the topic of this thread, tells us something very very beautiful in His Bani, in Raag Maajh:

Amrit Banee Har Har tayree.
The Word of Your Bani, Lord, is Ambrosial Nectar
sun sun hovai param gat mayree.
Hearing it again and again, I am elevated to the supreme height.

So after reading the lines above, we may ask ourselves, it is o.k that His Name/Naam is the Amrit, but then how do we get it?

The natural answer is, by concentration, by meditation on His Nam Simran.

Thrid Patshahee confirms this, when He says in Anand Sahib: Naam jinke man vaseeya, vajeh Shabad ganere.
When the mind is stilled by Simran, the soul awakens from its deep sleep, and sees the Jot and the listens the Dhun, emanating from the Shabad.

Of course, this is a very high and desirable state of purity, but neverthless, it is our very birth right, like a blessing upon us by Wahiguru, in this very human form.

What else do we need?

Absolutely nothing. We just need seriously to do His bhakti, as means of His Simran, and with His Grace, Daya Meher, achieve all this spiritual wealth, stored by Him within each one of us, in equal measure.

Sat Sree Akal.

I'm surprised you are so late. Its take longer to research the truth, than it takes to find a lie.



Who carried out this survey?

There are only 13,000 villages in Panjab, and not that many towns or cities where there could be deras in double numbers. So even if we assumed that every village had at least one dera in it, that would still leave at least 2,000 dera's to be divided in Panjabs towns and cities.

I would look again at this information you have brought here. Something is not right.




Panjab has had alcohol problems from decades before these deras even took root in Panjab. Still from my own experience there are dera's that are actively combating this problem. If they weren't there then the problems could be worse.



Why blame the Dera's for Panjabs problems? Do you think that they promote eve teasing and female foeticide?

He is intending to increase his database ...this pakhandi has no place here..jisne baani da mazaak kita..chhitar parade honi hai ehdi..

On Simran...

Many of us, think, that devotion to the Lord consists of several activities.

You see, Wahiguru is One without second. He is like the powerful magnet who attracts us towards Himself.

But then, how does He attracts us?

It is by His Simran alone.

That is why the Bani says: Prabh ka Simran, sabh te oochaa. There is nothing comparable to it. It is the highest devotion which one can offer it at His Lotus Feet..

All other activities, are mere shadows of mannmat, which lead us nowhere.

One may say, what is this ? Don´t you ever have anything else to say, apart from His Simran? You are constantly hammering on Simran alone, in terms of devotion....

Well, it is not me, nor my personal opinion.

It is the very Bani, which insists so much. It is only, that we do what we see others do or say.

No.

That is not correct. We should pay attention with our eyes wide open, to what the Bani says.

Following are the words of Dhan Dhan Satguru Sachay Patshah Arjun Dev Maharaj, where we can see by ourselves the supreme importance in doing the right type of bhakti.

He says:
ਆਠ ਪਹਰ ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਾ ਜਪੁ ਜਾਪਿ
Ath Pehar Prabh Ka Japau Jaap
आठ पहर प्रभ का जपु जापि
Twenty-four hours a day, chant God's Chant.

He clearly says 24 hours .

You see, if the day had 25 or 26 hours, one could do 24 hours Simran, and the remaing time other karamkaands. But no, He says, do His Simran 24 hours.

Now we may ask, how to do 24 hours Simran?
The answer is : khaateh, peeteh, chalteh, phirteh, sovat, jaagat, visar na jaat ...premee sunoh prem kee baat.

Apart from this His constant Simran, we should try to sit for some time, and meditate on His Naam, so that our surtee soars up in the spiritual realms within, and savour the taste of Bliss, which cometh out of this His Simran.

Sat Sree Akal.

N30 ji.....your description on awareness is about 'meditation' and self inquiry where one learns and becomes more aware of the ''higher self''...this ascension happens in stages as one experiences and travels through the realms of existence.
But from what I understand and according to Guru Nanak ji philosophy.....only Naam simran can take you directly to Nirankar.

Difference is that Naam simran jap is meditation on the Guru shabad and not on self inquiry.


On the map shown above.....where it says ''paravani- source word''...that is the Anhad shabad/naad that comes directly from Guru's mukh......There is NO element of sargun present and if one hears it, then it is also the nirgun and sukham/subtle sareer that hears it..
This is why by closing the ears...one can hear it even louder !!

I believe Anhad bani is known as Nirgun as the following two pangtis help clarify this point.

nirgun kathaa, kathaa hai Har kee.
The Speech of the Lord is the most sublime speech, free of any attributes.

Har kee kathaa anaahad baanee
The sermon of the Lord is the unstruck, endless song.