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To put it in simple small words...............
We don't need no master or physical guide to help,hold and guide us at further stages..
ALL we need and should be looking for is the SHABAD.
The Shabad IS the Guru.
Guru Nanak ji told the yogis 'shabad guru surat dhun chela'....when they asked young guruji who his master guru was.

However, if we are blessed with his kirpa and baksh...and may need a guide to hold our hands across the turbulent world ocean, then Nanak ji himself will give you his darshan.

No,...not quite...
Sikhi is the path of where one is to transform from manmukh to gurmukh isn't it ??
What's this got to do with brahmin?.... and is calling every other non-sikh a giddar, going to keep you on the right path towards gurmukh?

Harsharan ji's post describes the answer quite well.
Let me also add that ALL the sounds and visions even, are part of the illusion...you are still in maya. it's stll trai-gun.
This doesn't mean that the naad you may be hearing and feeling is false, because this naad is still coming from that same source of sach-khand.....however, you are still wrapped in the illusion and the shabad is not fully manifest as the sehaj dhun in sach khand.

You will know when it's sehaj dhun or pure anhad bani because it will be pure para-bani coming drenched in amrit when waheguru reveals the Nijh ghar/sach-khand to you. At this stage you will see/feel/become with the Brahm jyot.....and ONLY then will you yourself be able to confirm that it is the purest, truest Anhad Bani you are hearing.


The sounds we can hear at early stages of different instruments..etc.. are all paon de shabad and related to the air/pavan. They change as you progress and so does the naad.
Initially the naad is intermittent but then gets clearer and more intense until it becomes 24hr.

In this part of the journey I think that it varies vastly for each and every one of us and according to our own gunas.
AT the same time you will get 'downloads' of knowledge, gyaan and understanding about 'Yourself''...and according to your own gunas.

We will often question to ourselves if the naad or sounds are genuine and true anhad. ... the answer is quite simple because if we are questioning, then we must surely be still be wrapped in the illusion more than being drenched in amrit rus/naam
When we experience the -brahm jyot- amrit- prakash,- anhad in it's purest and highest form in sachkhand..... only then, will you have no doubts and be able to confirm to your self. I'm sure you won't be questioning or doubting in any way.

Gurbani talks about these different levels of illusion including Gandarve Nagri, Mrig trishna, Maya Jaal...which is all part of kaal to stop and divert you. This occurs ALL the way up to the doorstep of waheguru's sacha mahal. And only until HE opens it and you get prakash are you out of kaal's boundary.

Discover yourself


Discover yourself,
otherwise you have to depend on other people's opinions
who don't know themselves.

Very nice question and topic Sat Veer Jee

Actually Wahiguru or Satnam, is Anami, means nameless .... and this has to be so.

Why?

Because He is Alakh, means formless, and He is also Agam Purukh, means He is beyond reach.

There where He is, only He exists.

So if only He is one there, without any second, and there is no language to speak, because one needs mouth to say something, or to call someone. With whom do we have to comuniucate? What do we have to say or discuss with Him?

But then one may say, that is not totally correct, because we may call Him from our heart, or call on Him mentally... yes this all is possible, as long as the mind exists, which can be within the three planes where the mind operates: Physical, Astral or Causal

After that comes ParBraham region....there is no trace of maya or mind.

It is not Sach Khand, but it is just 2 steps below, and from there on, as one goes upper, finer and purer are the realms, right up to Sach Khand, the purest realm, where Sat Purukh resides.


What I perceive is that, people, not only our sikh brothers, but as well as of other religions also, tend to take that Supreme Being, with their preconcepted ideas and forms...for example sikhs think, when they reach up there, Guru Nanak and the other Gurus, with the Punj Pyares, the Saheeds, and many more good, brave and noble people, are all there to receive us ...like a huge congregation of all the people we think as good ones ..

The hindus think, their gods such as Vishnu, Brahma and Shiva, with their wives and sons and grandchildren, along with their ancestors, their sadhus, etc ... etc are going to be met, when reaching there...

The same is applied with the followers of the rest of the religions...

Due to this agyanta, people have a sense of variety, and thus are lost in brahm, and from there on starts the conflicts between all the people, each one claiming thier superiority and their truth. And because of this variety, there are wars, there is hatred, a lot of unjustice....Instead of being human beings, they are stone hearted beasts ...


It is such a pity, our Guru Sahibans while they were on the earth, tried their best to wipe off the mud from our mind and eyes(agyanta), and placed the simple truths in front of us, even left the Guru Granth Sahib for us,claiming that universal Truth as Nam or Shabad, and gave us the method to realize through Nam Simran . We can read any Ang from Guru Jee, and we shall only see these simple truths.

Some tuks as examples are as following:
Awar Kaaj tere kiteh na kam, mil Sadh Sangat bhaj kewal Nam.
Sarab rog ka aukhad Nam
Prabh ka Simran, teerath ishnan...
And many more can be mentioned.

But let us ask ourselves sincerely, how many of us do believe and follow their words. The thing is, though we profess to be devotees, we lack faith in the words of our Gurus, we take them as theory....but their words are priceless, amolak, eternal and true spiritual gems, for all the humanity.

We have limited their teachings, into 4 walls of many outer things, rituals, idol worship...etc, thus done a great unjustice to them.
Their whole purpose was to take us out from all outer things and concentrate on the only one reality within each and everyone of us, irrespective of caste, creed or class, which is Nam or Shabad.

This Nam is nowhere outside, thus it can not be given by anyone either...it is the same inside each one of us, whether one is a sinner, a saint, a robber, a sadhu, a mahatma, male or female, a hindu, a muslim, a sikh or a christian.....

Because that Nam or Shabad is a power, a highest state of Consciousness, which implies that it is also omnipresnt and omnipotent.


And this Nam is not like the genius of Aladinos lamp, that we rub it when we want something and start asking for our desires to be fulfilled, like taking away sorrows, wanting miracles, wealth, power, status, properties, sons, lands....and a huge endless list.

This Nam or Shabad as such, existed even before we were not born, and shall stay even when we shall not be here... this Nam or Shabad as being a Consciouss power of the highest order, works in its own ways, and not per our thinking, or our petty logic...

The purpose of all Gurmukhs, is not to make us understand the mysteries of the creation, not because they do not know, or are not capable of it, but because we are very limited.

For that, they say, go inside youself, and see everything it by yourself. All your doubts shall be dissolved.

And there is total logic in their words, because when we reach His stage, we shall become Him.... so then who is left to ask? and who is there to answer? Naturally nobody, except Him.

Such is His mahanta, His greatness, His wadeeayee...Oooch Apaar, Beant Soami.

The Bani clearly says: Jin Har jaapiya, se Har hoeeya

Sar Sree Akal.

I know there are so many questions.
My easiest piece of advice would be to start doing regular simran with waheguru jap.
Ideally most of us that speak on here have started with the saas graas and saas saas jugtees(techniques)
It really doesn't matter what technique you use as long as you get to that internal discipline of steadying your mind(from jumping to thoughts) and japping internally with the mind.

Eventually;-(if you already haven't)..you will begin to fall in love with the waheguru gurmantar.
Whilst doing this it is important to be listening, listening and listening...to just listen to yourself inside doing the jap.
It is when you start listening to your sukham(subtle) self whilst doing jap...that waheguru begins to manifest within.

No,...not quite...
Sikhi is the path of where one is to transform from manmukh to gurmukh isn't it ??
What's this got to do with brahmin?.... and is calling every other non-sikh a giddar, going to keep you on the right path towards gurmukh?

That first video was absolutely amazing. I realized the importance of saas saas and rom rom simran and why we are told to do it.

Key points I have taken away.

When doing saas saas simran one should be totally absorbed in the breathing and mantra and pay no attention to the body.
They key to rom rom simran was to do simran with the surti only which is faster than doing saas saas simran. One is to fill the belly with air and hold it. Then as long as you can hold it to do simran synchronising with the pulse. One is to place their dhyan either on the trikurti or at the nabi at that time.


End goal is to detach and pop out of this body by latching onto the naad. Once you hear the naad you can use it to go wherever you wish since naam is everywhere.

Waheguru

For many years-abhramic black and white interpertations of Sikh terms found in Gurbani were put fwd by sikhs who were more attuned with conceptual sikhi than essence Sikhi in expereince. Two such terms which were coined often were Gurmukh and Manmukh to explain good and bad without much contexualization. Sure we look at the basic interpertation of Gurmukh and Manmukh it means - Gurmukh (one who follows Guru) and Manmukh (one who follows mind) and there is no issue using that to discourage others from fives vices, improve discipline But what gets missed from time to time is broader, deeper estoeric definition of term Gurmukh and Manmukh-

Gurmukh - Gurmukh ( one who is attuned and indentifies with inner pure consciouness our real jot-chaitan/intuitive wisdom, acts, functions from inner soul - our real jot as it appear as hakum always unfolding) backdrop behind conditioned mind which is not confined to social religious construct (amritdhari or not).

Manmukh- Manmukh(one who is attuned with mind, one who indentifies with conditioned mind), functions, acts, reacts out of mind. This manmukh definitation is not confined by social religious construct be it amritdhari or not.

So by that deeper definition most of us are manmukhs and only rare diamonds are gurmukhs. So let us all strive to be indentify, function, acts, react from our real inner soul consciounes (Gur-chaitan-mukh towards) by further stilling our mind via Gur shabad, Gurshabad gian- wisdom than spent time judging others.

Dear Truthseeker,
the traigun bani or braham janjalla, is the sound which resounds ine the region of Braham, means below Parbraham, and this sound is not the real Shabad as such in Sach Khand.

This sound is stiil under the domain of mind or Kaal.

It is only by the power of Shabad Guru, that one can cross this region, by holding on to it, and reach Sach Khand.

Sat Sree Akal.

For past many years, Sikhawareness has been a beacon for freedom of speech, freedom of expression and celebration of different diverse cultures/religion in cyber sikh world. We have no intention of changing that but with that being said, there is clear difference between freedom of speech, freedom of expression and abusing freedom of speech, trolling the forum, deliberately provoking argument from one thread to another, insulting members, other religious figures or attacking demi gods etc etc. We can bear all forms of debates even heated debates but basic civility has to be kept. We hope members ask themselves while writing - are they crossing the line?. Here is what we would like to acheive ideally.

We are all guilty of debating or discussing outside of gursikh principles ((which includes me of course), just wanted to take this chance to post sakhi from Sri Guru Hargobind Sahib Ji updesh to pandits on discussion/debates and what's allowed for Gursikhs.


Or if you would like to see things from western angle:

Just look at western leaders/politicians in real life from two opposite side of spectrums with two polar opposite idealogy debate, how gracefully they debate the issues and still have basic respect for one another.


We have already started a new intiative to ensure, we have put two members- kharku aka- starchpagg47 and jungchumkaur under quality control temporary until their mend their ways following basic civil tone and keeping close eye on other members who are very close to crossing fine line- Maintaing quality of this forum is paramount.

Raag Ramkali
Bani Sree Kabir Jeeo



ਦਾਗੇ ਹੋਹਿ ਸੁ ਰਨ ਮਹਿ ਜੂਝਹਿ ਬਿਨੁ ਦਾਗੇ ਭਗਿ ਜਾਈ
Dhaagae Hohi S Ran Mehi Joojhehi Bin Dhaagae Bhag Jaaee
दागे होहि सु रन महि जूझहि बिनु दागे भगि जाई
Those who are branded with Your brand fight bravely in battle; those without Your brand run away.


Here Bhagat Kabir Jee, is telling us that, those who meditate on Him, with His Name, fight bravely with the mind and succeed in defeating it, others , the rest of the people, just give up, and say, no no I can sit no more.
As recommended by all Saints, Naam is the only weapon to fight with the mind and defeat it forever, otherwise, the fierce and mighty mind, no matter which other bhaktis we may do, will not leave/loose its grip on us. It is only when, it gets hurt by the blows of His Simran, that, it falls K.O.

And this is because, though we may never ever estimate the real value of His Simran, which most of us take it so lightly, but the fact is, it empowers us with His power, to overcome our weaknesses, sins, vikars, etc ..... and become as pure paviter as He is, so to say, to merge in Him.


Then Kabir Jee says:

ਕਬੀਰਿ ਦੀਈ ਸੰਸਾਰ ਕਉ ਲੀਨੀ ਜਿਸੁ ਮਸਤਕਿ ਭਾਗੁ
Kabeer Dheeee Sansaar Ko Leenee Jis Masathak Bhaag
कबीरि दीई संसार कउ लीनी जिसु मसतकि भागु
Kabeer gives it to the world, but he alone receives it, upon whose forehead such destiny is recorded.


In the above line He is clearly telling us, the Bani constantly tells us to do His bhajan bandagee of His Simran, but many of us prefer to do many other things.

This is so because, he alone can repeat His Name, on whose forehead is written so by Him, not otherwise....

What can the poor mortal do also.... To devote oneself to Him, in His real bhakti, is also a bakshish from Wahiguru, let no one think that it is done per our will... we are moorakhs.

Gyan, dhyan, kich karam na janaa ..... saar na janaa teree, sabse wadah Satgur Nanak, jin kal rakhee meree

By myself my Lord, I have no merits, have not any knowledge, nor do I know how to sing your glory adecuately, it is only becase of You, through your grace, that you have accepted me at Your Lotus Feet.

Sat Sree Akal.

Artist:- Bhai Gurpreet Singh ji Shimla Wale
Title :- Varsai Kirpa Dhaar
Album:- Amrit Dhaara

This shabad is on Ang 1281 of Guru Granth Sahib Ji.
Bani Guru Amar Das Ji
ਮਲਾਰ ਕੀ ਵਾਰ: (ਮ: ੩) ਗੁਰੂ ਗ੍ਰੰਥ ਸਾਹਿਬ : ਅੰਗ ੧੨੮੧
ਮਃ ੩ ॥ Ma 3 || मः ३ ॥ Third Mehl:
ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਸਦਾ ਵਰਸਦਾ ਬੂਝਨਿ ਬੂਝਣਹਾਰ ॥
Anmrith Sadhaa Varasadhaa Boojhan Boojhanehaar ||
अम्रितु सदा वरसदा बूझनि बूझणहार ॥
The Ambrosial Nectar rains down continually; realize this through realization.

ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਜਿਨ੍ਹ੍ਹੀ ਬੁਝਿਆ ਹਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਰਖਿਆ ਉਰਿ ਧਾਰਿ ॥
Guramukh Jinhee Bujhiaa Har Anmrith Rakhiaa Our Dhhaar ||
गुरमुखि जिन्ही बुझिआ हरि अम्रितु रखिआ उरि धारि ॥
Those who, as Gurmukh, realize this, keep the Lord's Ambrosial Nectar enshrined within their hearts.

ਹਰਿ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਪੀਵਹਿ ਸਦਾ ਰੰਗਿ ਰਾਤੇ ਹਉਮੈ ਤ੍ਰਿਸਨਾ ਮਾਰਿ ॥
Har Anmrith Peevehi Sadhaa Rang Raathae Houmai Thrisanaa Maar ||
हरि अम्रितु पीवहि सदा रंगि राते हउमै त्रिसना मारि ॥
They drink in the Lord's Ambrosial Nectar, and remain forever imbued with the Lord; they conquer egotism and thirsty desires.

ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਹਰਿ ਕਾ ਨਾਮੁ ਹੈ ਵਰਸੈ ਕਿਰਪਾ ਧਾਰਿ ॥
Anmrith Har Kaa Naam Hai Varasai Kirapaa Dhhaar ||
अम्रितु हरि का नामु है वरसै किरपा धारि ॥
The Name of the Lord is Ambrosial Nectar; the Lord showers His Grace, and it rains down.

ਨਾਨਕ ਗੁਰਮੁਖਿ ਨਦਰੀ ਆਇਆ ਹਰਿ ਆਤਮ ਰਾਮੁ ਮੁਰਾਰਿ ॥੨॥
Naanak Guramukh Nadharee Aaeiaa Har Aatham Raam Muraar ||2||
नानक गुरमुखि नदरी आइआ हरि आतम रामु मुरारि ॥२॥
O Nanak, the Gurmukh comes to behold the Lord, the Supreme Soul. ||2||

The main point in this thread, is the pain due to one´s karmas ....

But according to the Bani, though stated above already, some soothing words of Sachay Patshah Dhan Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj in Raag Sorath, filled with nectar , are brought in front of the sangat, for the purpose of treasuring them in our very minds and hearts, so that we may take the full advantage of them, by applying them in a practical way in our lives, not otherwise.

Here they are:

ਪ੍ਰਭ ਕਰਣ ਕਾਰਣ ਸਮਰਾਥਾ
Prabh Karan Kaaran Samaraathhaa
प्रभ करण कारण समराथा
God is Almighty, the Cause of causes.

ਹਰਿ ਸਿਮਰਤ ਸਭੁ ਦੁਖੁ ਲਾਥਾ Har Simarath Sabh Dhukh Laathhaa
हरि सिमरत सभु दुखु लाथा
Remembering the Lord in meditation, all pains and sorrows vanish.

First of all He is telling us, that we have to rely only on one Wahiguru Akal Purukh, none else, because He is the cause of all causes.

Secondly, He is telling us, that, our karmas, our destiny may be dirty and heavy, but if we turn our faces towards Him, by meditating on Him, through Naam Simran, all our sorrows and pains shall be simply dissolved.

This means, our karmas will not change their course nor purpose, but by putting ourselves at His Lotus Feet, through His Simran, we get His support and strength, to face them cheerfully, without any complaints, they just pass away unnoticed.

This is the mahanta, the wadeeayee of Wahiguru Akal Purukh and His Naam. Guru Jee clearly tells us, do not wait for your life to get straighten by itself because of your crooked karmas, rather take shelter at His Feet, by doing His Simran, only then you can walk with your head uplifted, without getting the terrible blows of your dirty and heavy karmas, because now one is covered with the shield of His Daya Meher.

Karmas will play their role, but His Daya meher will also play the role in a protective way. For that, we need not big nor plenty of words, but just one action, and that is His Simran.

One just gets pleasantly amazed, and a river of bliss starts flowing within, by reading the Bani and seeing, that inspite of so much uncertainity and stress at all levels, but if one as a child just gets hold of His finger(His Simran), He our Father, only then, protects us with His presence, at each and every step of ours.

What else do we need? So much Grace, so much Daya Meher is showered, and still we moorakhs, just complain, that too, when we are totally at fault... Shame on us ....

Waheguru.

Just because sikh community loosing its sikh dharma spiritual hertiage does not mean sikh spiritual hertiage does not exist...Sikh history is filled with glorious examples of meditation, events of bedeh mukht (turiya atith- non transcedental sehaj state) avastha by gursikhs and our guru's.

For example, here are some of many examples:

Sri Guru Nanak dev ji meditating on itself-effortless meditation before in river where he disappeared.
Sri Guru Arjan dev ji in sahaj sun smadhi- bedah mukh avastha while he was being matyr- put on iron hot place
Sri Guru Tegh Bahudar Ji went in deep meditation for 10-20 years in bairaag.
Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji maharaj previous incarnation meditation as- dusth daman listed in his autobiography- bachitar natak, gone in non transcedental meditation when he uttered- tuhi tuhi 16,000 times in akaal ustat and cut it short later on.

Baba Deep Singh ji fighting with his head off, bhai taru singh, bhai mani singh ji also going through extreme torture yet smiling in samaj sun smadhi- bedah mukh avastha as they were merged in their atma.

That's good! That kind of fear is necessary for meditation.
ਜਤੁ ਪਾਹਾਰਾ ਧੀਰਜੁ ਸੁਨਿਆਰੁ ॥
जतु पाहारा धीरजु सुनिआरु ॥
Jaṯ pāhārā ḏẖīraj suni▫ār.
Let self-control be the furnace, and patience the goldsmith.
ਅਹਰਣਿ ਮਤਿ ਵੇਦੁ ਹਥੀਆਰੁ ॥
अहरणि मति वेदु हथीआरु ॥
Ahraṇ maṯ veḏ hathī▫ār.
Let understanding be the anvil, and spiritual wisdom the tools.
ਭਉ ਖਲਾ ਅਗਨਿ ਤਪ ਤਾਉ ॥
भउ खला अगनि तप ताउ ॥
Bẖa▫o kẖalā agan ṯap ṯā▫o.
With the Fear of God as the bellows, fan the flames of tapa, the body's inner heat.
ਭਾਂਡਾ ਭਾਉ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ ਤਿਤੁ ਢਾਲਿ ॥
भांडा भाउ अम्रितु तितु ढालि ॥
Bẖāʼndā bẖā▫o amriṯ ṯiṯ dẖāl.
In the crucible of love, melt the Nectar of the Name,
ਘੜੀਐ ਸਬਦੁ ਸਚੀ ਟਕਸਾਲ ॥
घड़ीऐ सबदु सची टकसाल ॥
Gẖaṛī▫ai sabaḏ sacẖī taksāl.
and mint the True Coin of the Shabad, the Word of God.
ਜਿਨ ਕਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰਮੁ ਤਿਨ ਕਾਰ ॥
जिन कउ नदरि करमु तिन कार ॥
Jin ka▫o naḏar karam ṯin kār.
Such is the karma of those upon whom He has cast His Glance of Grace.
ਨਾਨਕ ਨਦਰੀ ਨਦਰਿ ਨਿਹਾਲ ॥੩੮॥
नानक नदरी नदरि निहाल ॥३८॥
Nānak naḏrī naḏar nihāl. ||38||
O Nanak, the Merciful Lord, by His Grace, uplifts and exalts them. ||38||

I know there are so many questions.
My easiest piece of advice would be to start doing regular simran with waheguru jap.
Ideally most of us that speak on here have started with the saas graas and saas saas jugtees(techniques)
It really doesn't matter what technique you use as long as you get to that internal discipline of steadying your mind(from jumping to thoughts) and japping internally with the mind.

Eventually;-(if you already haven't)..you will begin to fall in love with the waheguru gurmantar.
Whilst doing this it is important to be listening, listening and listening...to just listen to yourself inside doing the jap.
It is when you start listening to your sukham(subtle) self whilst doing jap...that waheguru begins to manifest within.

I know there are so many questions.
My easiest piece of advice would be to start doing regular simran with waheguru jap.
Ideally most of us that speak on here have started with the saas graas and saas saas jugtees(techniques)
It really doesn't matter what technique you use as long as you get to that internal discipline of steadying your mind(from jumping to thoughts) and japping internally with the mind.

Eventually;-(if you already haven't)..you will begin to fall in love with the waheguru gurmantar.
Whilst doing this it is important to be listening, listening and listening...to just listen to yourself inside doing the jap.
It is when you start listening to your sukham(subtle) self whilst doing jap...that waheguru begins to manifest within.

To put it in simple small words...............
We don't need no master or physical guide to help,hold and guide us at further stages..
ALL we need and should be looking for is the SHABAD.
The Shabad IS the Guru.
Guru Nanak ji told the yogis 'shabad guru surat dhun chela'....when they asked young guruji who his master guru was.

However, if we are blessed with his kirpa and baksh...and may need a guide to hold our hands across the turbulent world ocean, then Nanak ji himself will give you his darshan.

o bhaleyo lookon pehlan sri guru granth sahib ji taan padh lo

If you believe Dasam Paatsaah Sahib -e-Kamaal Siri Guru GobindSingh ji as your Spiritual Father then you will not ask this question.

I know there are so many questions.
My easiest piece of advice would be to start doing regular simran with waheguru jap.
Ideally most of us that speak on here have started with the saas graas and saas saas jugtees(techniques)
It really doesn't matter what technique you use as long as you get to that internal discipline of steadying your mind(from jumping to thoughts) and japping internally with the mind.

Eventually;-(if you already haven't)..you will begin to fall in love with the waheguru gurmantar.
Whilst doing this it is important to be listening, listening and listening...to just listen to yourself inside doing the jap.
It is when you start listening to your sukham(subtle) self whilst doing jap...that waheguru begins to manifest within.

Kẖat nem kar koṯẖ▫ṛī bāʼnḏẖī basaṯ anūp bīcẖ pā▫ī.
He fashioned the body chamber with six rings, and placed within it the incomparable thing.
Kunjī kulaf parān kar rākẖe karṯe bār na lā▫ī.
He made the breath of life the watchman, with lock and key to protect it; the Creator did this in no time at all.
Ab man jāgaṯ rahu re bẖā▫ī.
Keep your mind awake and aware now, O Sibling of Destiny.
Gāfal ho▫e kai janam gavā▫i▫o cẖor musai gẖar jā▫ī.
You were careless, and you have wasted your life; your home is being plundered by thieves. ||1||Pause||
Pancẖ pahrū▫ā ḏar mėh rahṯe ṯin kā nahī paṯī▫ārā.
The five senses stand as guards at the gate, but now can they be trusted?
Cẖeṯ sucẖeṯ cẖiṯ ho▫e rahu ṯa▫o lai pargās ujārā.
When you are conscious in your consciousness, you shall be enlightened and illuminated.
Na▫o gẖar ḏekẖ jo kāman bẖūlī basaṯ anūp na pā▫ī.
Seeing the nine openings of the body, the soul-bride is led astray; she does not obtain that incomparable thing.
Kahaṯ Kabīr navai gẖar mūse ḏasvaiʼn ṯaṯ samā▫ī.
Says Kabeer, the nine openings of the body are being plundered; rise up to the Tenth Gate, and discover the true essence.
SGGS 339
 
Har har akẖar ḏu▫e ih mālā.
These two words, Har, Har, make up my maalaa. 
SGGS 388

Gur mil jīṯā har har kīṯā ṯūtī bẖīṯā bẖaram gaṛā.
Meeting the Guru, I am victorious; praising the Lord, Har, Har, the walls of the fortress of doubt have been destroyed.
SGGS 453
 
 
Kabeer, it does make a difference, how you chant the Lord's Name, 'Raam'. This is something to consider
Everyone uses the same word for the son of Dasrath and the Wondrous Lord. ANG 1374 
 
Says Kabeer, chant the two letters of the Lord's Name - Raa Maa. 
If He is your Lord and Master, He will protect you ANG 329


In the same way, Gurmantra/GurShabad is to be chanted Wahe. Guru. 

If you look at Sufi Zikr they chant Allah. Hu. 


Kar kirpā jis āpnai nām lā▫e.
Those whom the Lord mercifully attaches to His Naam -
Nānak cẖa▫uthe paḏ mėh so jan gaṯ pā▫e.
O Nanak, in the fourth state, those humble servants attain salvation.
 
 
Please forgive me for any mistakes.
WJKK WJKF


 

Savinderji... I know what you are saying and where you coming from.
I think that when we go in through the window of doing gurbani veechar for general or self explanations, then at first we should try and completely throw ego out of the window.
Should always approach in a neutral manner and try to decipher the message.

In the above, Guruji is making us question ''what is sucha and what is jhuta''
He says,, that sucha only becomes such if the 'tongue' itself has naam and has been uttering naam.
Eating your own veg and fruit is not making anything any more pure, because it still comes from the same organism containing water and greens.

All I am trying to point out is that the quoted shabad is not endorsing bibek rehat in any way. However, that is not to say that I am speaking against bibek rehat.
Bibek rehat, from how I understand it....has it's place in gurmat. We all know about food hygiene and external cleansiness and in the same way...bibek rehat is more about inner cleansiness-which I won't go too much into in this post.

The food's are not sacred in the sense that they can purify us or purify the tongue that has uttered filth..... But the tongue can be made more sacred by uttering shabad and thus making any foods consumed to be drenched in naam.

Simple answer is not a yes or a no... but the question is who is the ''real pakhandi or faker''?
It's me and you mate...us... the manmukhs..that question the integrity or higher order of some other gursikh.
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You may say, ''what gives the other gursikh such higher order or status ?"
Well, i would say that if there is some gursikh or bhai sahib amongst us that could teach us a thing or two, and in turn we may learn something from them..... then in turn, they would have such a higher order/status than me & you.
So if I want to be a faker and question the teacher.. then that makes me the real pakhandi.

Besides the guy doing the slating is from the group of missionaries that deny dasam bani, deny naam simran and very openly promote khula maas(from macdonalds) instead of looking at meat issue with regards to nihang/warrior/jhatka tradition.

They have the charms and persuasions of wrongly distorting gurbani for their own personal agendas.... so what deal and how difficult would it be for them to distort the lifestyle, kamayee, gyaan of some gursikh ?