Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?

[GurjantGnostic]

But the dressed up promo paid placement propaganda job that masonic bit was only solidified my understanding of the hooks that are in Jagi Vasudev. 

[GurjantGnostic]

Was it Faust? Who wanted to be what the world needed, wanted to heal it? And so he makes a deal with the devil to be given the maya to do so, only to watch it all pave his road to hell? That's Jagi Vasudev and his character best case. Best case. 

[paapiman]

3 hours ago, GurjantGnostic said:

Was it Faust? Who wanted to be what the world needed, wanted to heal it? And so he makes a deal with the devil to be given the maya to do so, only to watch it all pave his road to hell? That's Jagi Vasudev and his character best case. Best case. 

Who was Faust bro?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

[GurjantGnostic]

6 hours ago, paapiman said:

Who was Faust bro?

 

Bhul chuk maaf

What this doesn't seem to mention is that he's enticed by his desire to heal and do good and uses that as his justification for the deal. 

[Sat1176]

On 12/9/2021 at 4:23 PM, Sat1176 said:

I'm still stuck on falling asleep during simran, but can relate to what this person states about the throat feeling dry when coming out of the state.

 

Dhyan Me Nind Kyo Aati hai | Why Do We Fall Asleep In Meditation ? Dhyan Me Nind Kyu Aata Hai ? Dhyan Me Nind Se Kaise Bache ?

 

 

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me  badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution.

In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again.

Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas?

Something like this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TabTime-Vibrating-Alarm-Reminder-Watch/dp/B0855ZRNFG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=102760464886&gclid=Cj0KCQiAosmPBhCPARIsAHOen-P8o90ZVxBZEbG2OmdMfVyWT8tM4AO_yogX0Aes07MJyTRpu3MvveQaAiRtEALw_wcB&hvadid=446637826485&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9044954&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4813379324227199873&hvtargid=kwd-490229337032&hydadcr=21046_1806757&keywords=watch%2Bwith%2Bvibration%2Balarm&qid=1643289839&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOU81UVgwUlg3SkhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTgzMjQ5M1ZLQ0dQU1JGRlYwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ0MjI2M1A2WjAwOEhPVVhZVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

[SunnySingh]

7 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

Anyone got any ideas?

Well, I do not know if what I am going to write now can be of any help, but it is from my own recent expierence.

I do have a knee problem since about 2 years now, which made it difficult to sit cross legged in meditation (hardly 10 / 15 minutes, then I would keep on changing positions after each while),  and which by the way, I used to do on the bed when waking up at Amrit Vela time, but with much frustration I was almost all the time asleep, LOL.

But then, I noticed that when I used to sit on the sofa to watch the TV in the hall with a small cushion on the back, I could easily sit for more than a hour cross legged, so I thought why not get up and come out of the room and sit on the sofaand give it a try... 

And you won´t believe me, the very first day, I tried it, I could sit more than a hour at one stretch and crosslegged, I thanked God for it, for inspite of my knee problem, and the sleeping issue, I was alert all the time, and that has been going on since about 2 weeks now.

You too, may give a try at other places, until you come across a suitable/comfortable place, where you can sit without falling asleep. I am quite sure, it can happen with any one, it it has happened with me, it nothing special nor extraordinary. It is just to keep trying without giving away hope, for giving away hope, is a tool of the devil in our spiritual pursuit.

I hope I have helped you in some way.

Good luck.

[Sat1176]

I already sit on the sofa and do simran otherwise I’m not comfortable and legs give me pain and take away my concentration. I’ve also noticed the fastest way for me to relax into a sunn  state is when I rest my hands on the sofa alongside my legs and not touching any part of my body. Because I use my hands a lot for my job using a computer all day my surti is probably quite concentrated in them. When I let my hands rest away from my body I can focus on my simran and I’m probably gone in 5 - 10 minutes. Worse thing is I can’t even tell I’m going under. I wake up 45 to 60 minutes later thinking I was doing simran, what happened. Feel like setting up a camera to see how long it takes me. I was listening to another gurmukh who said learn to time yourself and see how long it takes for you to go into sunn. Probably take me longer then. Lol

[Kaur10]

@Sat1176 @sunny singh I joined live calls session to Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana on pabh milne ka chao telegram group.  Sangat share their problems and progress,  and he advice about the next steps.  I remember sangat mentioning this problem too, but i do not remember the solution as it did not make much sense to me that time. 

Only the naam abhiyaasi who has passed this stage could advice,  you could contact him for advice or watch his videos for the answer. 

Just an effort to help,  bhul chuk maaf !

[SunnySingh]

On 1/30/2022 at 8:25 AM, Kaur10 said:

Just an effort to help,  bhul chuk maaf !

Kaur10 Pen jee,

your sincere  effort is much appreciated, thus no need to say bhul chuk maaf ....

[GurjantGnostic]

On 1/27/2022 at 5:21 AM, Sat1176 said:

 

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me  badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution.

In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again.

Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas?

Something like this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TabTime-Vibrating-Alarm-Reminder-Watch/dp/B0855ZRNFG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=102760464886&gclid=Cj0KCQiAosmPBhCPARIsAHOen-P8o90ZVxBZEbG2OmdMfVyWT8tM4AO_yogX0Aes07MJyTRpu3MvveQaAiRtEALw_wcB&hvadid=446637826485&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9044954&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4813379324227199873&hvtargid=kwd-490229337032&hydadcr=21046_1806757&keywords=watch%2Bwith%2Bvibration%2Balarm&qid=1643289839&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOU81UVgwUlg3SkhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTgzMjQ5M1ZLQ0dQU1JGRlYwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ0MjI2M1A2WjAwOEhPVVhZVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

Keep half a mind open then maybe you're falling into sleep to deep heal and reboot things. I get taken over by that at work and start literally rebooting on my feet. I'll wake up staring at my station. Like oh .sh...er..ahem..finish ..sometimes my body is accomplishing the work like a turtle with it's head off, and I'll wake up to my body missing a fastener over and over. I mean. If one can't stay awake while exercising basically, I think is proof sometimes the body mind takes over during Simran and does some things. I feel that Sunn y feeling coming too. It says feel warm and feel love flow through you...zzzzzzz

[SunnySingh]

On 1/31/2022 at 11:15 PM, GurjantGnostic said:

I mean. If one can't stay awake while exercising basically, I think is proof sometimes the body mind takes over during Simran and does some things. 

That is so true.

What I have noticed is that, if the back is totally leaned on the sofa or the pillow, one´s tendency is to go to sleep, but if I keep a space between my back and the sofa with a small cushion at the lower back, then at least I can do simran without falling asleep, though the mind keeps running all the same ...LOL...but at least I feel relieved that I do not fall asleep, and the positive thing is that at least 1 problem is solved ....

I suggest you guys giving a try to this posture,  and come back to share your comments, I think among all of us we must share whatever little help we can, with the sangat, who knows to whom it maybe helpful ... we are all here to give a helping hand.

Thanks.

[PCSJZ]

On 1/27/2022 at 1:21 PM, Sat1176 said:

 

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me  badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution.

In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again.

Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas?

Something like this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TabTime-Vibrating-Alarm-Reminder-Watch/dp/B0855ZRNFG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=102760464886&gclid=Cj0KCQiAosmPBhCPARIsAHOen-P8o90ZVxBZEbG2OmdMfVyWT8tM4AO_yogX0Aes07MJyTRpu3MvveQaAiRtEALw_wcB&hvadid=446637826485&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9044954&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4813379324227199873&hvtargid=kwd-490229337032&hydadcr=21046_1806757&keywords=watch%2Bwith%2Bvibration%2Balarm&qid=1643289839&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOU81UVgwUlg3SkhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTgzMjQ5M1ZLQ0dQU1JGRlYwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ0MjI2M1A2WjAwOEhPVVhZVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

Listening to Bhai Simranjit Singh Tohana on the live classes. He says when doing simran jn the morning not to go into sunn. Listen to the shabad, if/when you feel like you maybe entering sunn then start antargat simran and that will help. Afternoon/evening time he says its fine to listen to the shabad and go into sunn. Same as what Bhai Amrik Singh Shadihari says on his telegram group

[Sat1176]

54 minutes ago, SunnySingh said:

That is so true.

What I have noticed is that, if the back is totally leaned on the sofa or the pillow, one´s tendency is to go to sleep, but if I keep a space between my back and the sofa with a small cushin at the lower back, then at least I can do simran without falling asleep, though the mind keeps running all the same ...LOL...but at least I feel relieved that I do not fall asleep, and the positive thing is that at least 1 problem is solved ....

I suggest you guys giving a try to this posture,  and come back to share your comments, I think among all of us we must share whatever little help we can, with the sangat, who knows to whom it maybe helpful ... we are all here to give a helping hand.

Thanks.

Already using a pillow , not directly leaning against back of sofa.

[SunnySingh]

 

 

[SunnySingh]

 

For all of those blessed ones who keep on trying walking on the spiritual path with faith and courage, following is an inspirational message:

[SunnySingh]

 

What is the fastest way of achieving enlightenment?

Ramana Maharshi answered this question beautifully.

 

Achieving enlightenment is like bringing a cow to a barn.

The barn is piled with hay, and there‘s a lovely meadow out back where she can wander and graze.

The cow will be happy there, but if you pick up a stick and try to goad her, you’ll see just how fast cows can run.

If you take a handful of hay and coax her instead, she will be happy to follow you.

When we think we should get enlightened, we try to force ourselves into silent awareness.

We brandish a stick and our mind immediately runs the other way.

Enlightenment is peace.

To get there, we must only choose to be there.

We get to heaven by realizing we prefer it to hell.

When we let ourselves experience peace in this moment, we’ll find we like feeling this way.

We’ll fall in love with silent awareness.

Soon, we’ll be willing to give up anything that would get in the way.

[GurjantGnostic]

5 hours ago, SunnySingh said:

 

What is the fastest way of achieving enlightenment?

Ramana Maharshi answered this question beautifully.

 

Achieving enlightenment is like bringing a cow to a barn.

The barn is piled with hay, and there‘s a lovely meadow out back where she can wander and graze.

The cow will be happy there, but if you pick up a stick and try to goad her, you’ll see just how fast cows can run.

If you take a handful of hay and coax her instead, she will be happy to follow you.

When we think we should get enlightened, we try to force ourselves into silent awareness.

We brandish a stick and our mind immediately runs the other way.

Enlightenment is peace.

To get there, we must only choose to be there.

We get to heaven by realizing we prefer it to hell.

When we let ourselves experience peace in this moment, we’ll find we like feeling this way.

We’ll fall in love with silent awareness.

Soon, we’ll be willing to give up anything that would get in the way.

And the fastest way to achieve silent awareness is to surrender our heads to Vaheguru Akal Purakh through Naam Gurbani and Simran. 

Also take for checking if someone has found their own peace or are capable of bringing it to others. It's easy to stay in certain states when you simply don't care, and have no expectations of yourself righteously. It's a whole other level to be Sant and Sipahi. 

[SunnySingh]

 

Following is a video upon how to meditate at the third eye center which I found it interesting, and would like to share with the sangat.

https://youtu.be/y_O03h1C8wk 

It is in a simple hindi language, but if someone does not understand it for any reason, I would like to summarize its contents :

1) When you sit for meditation, within the first 30 sec or 1 minute, just relax and tell the Father within your mind that you are sitting to get the blessing of His love, so He should be graceful  to accept that our little seva.

2) Close the eyes and look into the darkness, without trying to find any particular point, just be still in the darkness

3)Do the jaap of of the gurmatar or any mantar you are used to

4)Listen to the sound of your repetition of that mantar.

 

By applying  all these 4 points while sitting to meditate, one may find that sitting in meditation is not dry neither a struggle, but rather something pleasant, which with regular practice may take us closer to our spiritual goal.

 

[Soulfinder]

On 2/2/2022 at 10:30 PM, SunnySingh said:

 

For all of those blessed ones who keep on trying walking on the spiritual path with faith and courage, following is an inspirational message:

Amazing post veer ji

[SunnySingh]

 

WHY WE SHOULD DO WAHEGURU SIMRAN  IN THE MORNING

What is so important about morning Simran

 

Simran  in the morning is so important because you meet Guru Jee  before you meet the Devil.

You meet Guru Jee  before you meet the circumstances of life. 

You talk to Guru Jee before you talk to many people.

You fellowship with Guru  Jee before you fellowship with other people. 

You hear Anhad Naad  from Heaven before you receive any breaking news.

You sit before Guru  Jee before you sit before people.

You kneel before Guru  Jee before you kneel down before men.

You Honour Guru Jee  before you honour people.  

You get into Guru  Jee´s presence before you get into the presence of people. 

You feed your Spirit before you feed your body. 

You  call Waheguru  before you call all other small names.

You see Guru  Jee before even you see yourself in the mirror.  

You sweep your heart before you sweep your yard!

Shukur hae tera Sachay Patshaah

[Sajjan_Thug]

On 1/27/2022 at 5:21 AM, Sat1176 said:

 

I've been searching for answers to this problem for months now and it was bugging me  badly. I keep on falling in asleep whilst doing simran even though gurmukhs keep on telling me to try and remain awake. Nothing is working but I think I may have come across a solution.

In Simran Gyan file 32 on www.akathkatha.in Bhai Satnaam Singh says that one must not remain in sunn for more than 30 minutes. You should set an alarm that wakes you up every 30 mins so you don't spend longer than this in this state. He says we need to learn to go beyond Sunn and enter the state of Sehaj. We need to spend more time listening to shabads rather than falling asleep in Sunn. He said it will happen but you need to learn to bring yourself out of sunn and start the process again.

Just need to find a vibrating alarm system so I don't wake the rest of the family up. Anyone got any ideas?

Something like this.

https://www.amazon.co.uk/TabTime-Vibrating-Alarm-Reminder-Watch/dp/B0855ZRNFG/ref=sr_1_1_sspa?adgrpid=102760464886&gclid=Cj0KCQiAosmPBhCPARIsAHOen-P8o90ZVxBZEbG2OmdMfVyWT8tM4AO_yogX0Aes07MJyTRpu3MvveQaAiRtEALw_wcB&hvadid=446637826485&hvdev=c&hvlocphy=9044954&hvnetw=g&hvqmt=e&hvrand=4813379324227199873&hvtargid=kwd-490229337032&hydadcr=21046_1806757&keywords=watch%2Bwith%2Bvibration%2Balarm&qid=1643289839&sr=8-1-spons&spLa=ZW5jcnlwdGVkUXVhbGlmaWVyPUEyOU81UVgwUlg3SkhXJmVuY3J5cHRlZElkPUEwNTgzMjQ5M1ZLQ0dQU1JGRlYwMSZlbmNyeXB0ZWRBZElkPUEwNjQ0MjI2M1A2WjAwOEhPVVhZVyZ3aWRnZXROYW1lPXNwX2F0ZiZhY3Rpb249Y2xpY2tSZWRpcmVjdCZkb05vdExvZ0NsaWNrPXRydWU&th=1

Waheguru Ji

Bhai Simranjeet Singh Ji answered a similar question.

 

[SunnySingh]

 

Found the following interesting article on the Net which I thought of sharing with the Sangat here

 

By Cosmic Healing.

What experiences do yogis sense while meditating after Kundalini awakening?

Generally, I don’t discuss this, as most people wouldn’t understand or believe what I say, or they might try to label me as imbalanced or mentally ill (their issue). But, since you asked…

I will tell you the simplest, most basic experience that I have almost every time that I meditate.

Kundalini awakened spontaneously in me 2.5 years ago. For the first year I really couldn’t meditate at all because it was too activating. There was so much energy moving in my body that I had to dance or do yoga in order to get some relief.

Kundalini has since calmed. It is a kinder and gentler experience now, generally not overwhelming (except at times.)

Now when I meditate, in that moment when my mind is first quiet, when I drop into awareness/total presence, I feel (and see) a horizontal expansiveness, a oneness with all there is, a tapping into a collective consciousness. And it always makes me laugh! It’s like the cosmic joke is that I believed for a time (yet again) that I was separate. So when I tap back into the oneness I realize that I was fooled again!

I see this as the never ending 3D to 5D toggle. And I guess I can’t stay in 5D because I have a body. So back and forth I go, and thank goodness, with a laugh.

I don’t know if this is helpful in any way, but this is what I experience

 

 

[Guest Guest]

Why religions talk about mukti? Are they anti-Life? 

[GurjantGnostic]

On 5/27/2022 at 2:07 PM, Guest Guest said:

Why religions talk about mukti? Are they anti-Life? 

Some prisoners choose to stay in prison or recidivate because the familiarity of said prison is less scary than living free. They're institutionalized. So are we. 

Furthermore there are a variety of Muktes, which one you free enough to receive?

Or stay a happy little prisoner and recidivate after a brief release. It's all perfect in the end. 

[GurjantGnostic]

More food for thought. Of the variety of living states and bodies we manifest in for periods of time, the physical body is...the death state. That's why it's rotting bro. This is the most necrotic state, slowest, densest, most limited, most painful. Most people who sell their souls for profit, use said profit to medicate all the pains of the flesh, which doesn't even work, just destroys them faster. And in this pursuit of bits of dust we lose our souls for long periods of time. 

Wouldn't it be nice to be free of death, and free of life? Be truly free? You can still take a body after Mukte, it's just not this ignorant, out of control, succession of meat sacks with amnesia.