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It is very easy to talk like a Brahamgyani, but very hard to walk the talk.

We need to stay in our human limits. That is why, maryadas were made. Obviously, when one reaches Brahamgyan, then it is a completely different story.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

You can read 100 different translations of Gurbani, but IF all of them are inspired by Missionary/Akj(cults) school of thought, then in a sense, they only count as one.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

ਕਰਿ ਸਾਧੂ ਅੰਜੁਲੀ ਪੁਨੁ ਵਡਾ ਹੇ ॥
Greet the Holy Saint with your palms pressed together; this is an act of great merit.

ਕਰਿ ਡੰਡਉਤ ਪੁਨੁ ਵਡਾ ਹੇ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥
Bow down before Him; this is a virtuous action indeed. ||1||Pause||

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

He had access to Satguru Sri Guru Nanak Dev jee Maharaaj. We both know, we are nothing in front of him.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Please use respectful words towards saint/scholars in our panth. We can discuss/debate their scholarly work but not attack against them on personal/spiritual level.

I don't think, a spiritually awakened Taksaali will say that Taksaal has monopoly on Shaheedis. If someone does, then you cannot blame/badmouth DDT for it; blame the individual.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Satkiran,

Personally speaking if I were in your shoes I would be more concerned about what Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji says about who or where is God.

har santahu daykhhu nadar kar nikat vasai bharpoor.
O Saints, see clearly that the Lord is near at hand; He is pervading everywhere.

Ang 68

parabh nikat vasai sabhnaa ghat antar gurmukh virlai jaataa.
God is close at hand; He dwells deep within the hearts of all. How rare are those who, as Gurmukh, know Him.

165

aisaa mayraa raam rahi-aa bharpoor.
Such is my Lord, who is all-pervading everywhere.

nikat vasai naahee har door. ||1|| rahaa-o.
He dwells near at hand - the Lord is not far away. ||1||Pause||

Har aapay sabad surat dhun aapay.
The Lord Himself is the Word of the Shabad. He Himself is the awareness, attuned to its music.

I'm too a sikh girl,nd been using this forum.Personally I've never thought about such kinda things like which jatha or taksal is dominating here or what's the personal views of anyone towards any jatha.I feel heartly disappointed,when I read such things.I mean What is jatha?? When one says he/she is a sikh ,then no question arises towards what jatha or taksal he /she is motivated.Once,I read a thread in this forum ,where I read some critical attacks on particular Jathas.I was deeply disappointed.I at once closed the thread,and yes there were tears in my eyes,that how could a sikh can attack other sikh's principles.From that day,I decided to never look on such threads.Yes,I 've never looked or popped in any thread beside Meditation threads.In general discussion ,sometime I just read the headings of threads.But I must say that Meditation threads are really spiritually uplifting and one gets answers of many questions he is looking for.People posting their are really gurmukh's.So I suggest you to not leave the forum.I'm not using any forum other than this one ,cause I think we shouldnt waste our time on forums.Just stay here and keep popping in meditation forum.I've read ur posts, and I must say that you're a spiritual soul.so,sikhi is not all about jathas or such kinda things.Sikhi is a straight path to meet our purkh irrespective of our worldy stature.
Beside,here is no difference between men or women.Who can better understand about power of a woman beside a sikh?
Hope you find your way.
God bless!
Gur fateh!

Thats quite debatable sat kiran kaur ji, as they change the whole position of sikh theological form of god which is sargun and nirgun confined into very abhramic view of god- gurmat dasam dwar anhad shabad realm called sachkhand where only selective few are allowed and where seeker keep their individuality yet in unity with god.

Yes but if that exploitation becomes trend where people are exploiting by hiding behind maryada than vidvans needs to clarify and set the record straight further thats its two way street. For example - few years ago i vividly remember sant hari singh ji randhawale said - sikhi is pati varta dharam but in same breath he also mentioned its panti varta dharam-obedience both ways- as well as its two way street. Two people get together, come in marriage, commit to serve each other unequivocally worldly/spiritually- then together as one unit serve true lord husband, but i mean its clearly an updesh in anand karaj.

This note may be helpful for doubters but not for partisans.

Please note that only those who totally have merged with Satguru Nanak Sache Patshah and accepted in Sachkhand, Brahamgyani sent directly from Dargah as listed in the Sau Sakhi, or further blessed by them, can explain the Gurbani based on their Naam Kamai.

If we invent our meaning devoid of shabad based spiritual experiences and deny the direction by those realized souls, then we are merely engaged in intellectual gymnastics and heading into the darkness.

Sri Guru Gobind Singh Ji Maharaj stated that one who has ten times more mind the Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji Maharaj can only explain the Gurbani, Similarly, Baba Nand Singh Ji Nanaksar Kaleran said that no one can claim or try to understand the Guru through Gurbani, because human intellect is too small for that.

The Gurbani essentially transcends and higher than all mind made ideologies, left, right, and all ism etc.

I also request N30 to please take note of implicit use of despairing language used against those Dargahi Souls and their maryada. There is fundamental distinction between disagreeing and offending.

Finally humble apologies to all .

Bro, you are right. But, it is important to know the background of a scholar before we start listening to him. Schooling definitely makes a difference. You cannot compare a Harvard university grad to an ordinary college grad. It is possible that a person who is not associated with the orthodox sects of Sikhism, to be spiritually higher than a taksali (for example), but when it comes to scholarly discussion, the taksali should be supported or listened to.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Bro, have you noticed differences in the thinking of new and old Taksalis?

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Khande Ki Paul is based on the jantra tantar mantar philosophy. The mechanical philosophy is nothing new and exists in Sanatan India for centuries, for example the performance of Yagas, acquire Siddhi, control ghosts etc. It is based on secret method of manipulating nature and its elements. Its requisites are the use of the hidden mantras (mantra) and the amalgamation of certain physical objects (jantra) upon which a certain practice is carried (tantra) out inorder to acquire an end result such as warrior spirit water (Kandeh Ki Paul). The whole purpose of Vaisakhi 1699 was to create a martial brotherhood that would uproot all tyranny and evils in the world. The khandeh di paul is a sacred baptism into this doctrine which itself infuses the spirit to fight evil and tyranny in the world and against the inner spiritual world.

There are 3 types of amrit in Sikhism

1. Khandi ki paul 2. Amrit Naam. 3. Divine Consciousness (brahmgiani)


Mantra = 5 banis,
jantra = Bata, Khanda, pedestool, Water, Sugar, 5 Beloved rehatvaan, spiritiual Singh's in bana
tantra = The whole amritsanchaar process
Result = Khande Ki Paul

Abū al-Qāsim Muḥammad ibn ʿAbd Allāh ibn ʿAbd al-Muṭṭalib ibn Hāshim, Hazrat Muhammad Sahib,


" I've always loved the story of Muhammad and the cat. At the end of a day of teaching, as the Prophet was getting ready to leave, he noticed that a cat was sleeping on his cloak. He cut off the sleeve of his cloak rather than disturb the cat. That's a powerful image of adab that extends it to relationships with animals."


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My knowledge is limited so please add. Also correct me where I am wrong.

I specifically want to talk about the techology involved.

The baata is made of Sarbloh, the khanda is made of sarbloh. Sarbloh is also an avtar. Sarbloh ki racheya hame... when the khanda strikes the baata electricity/energy is produced. The energy is contained . There is a conductor or insulator underneath the baata made of rock. Beneath the rock is wool.
The bani goes into the water through the eyes and hands of beloved ones. Then there is a granthi who is looking into the water at all times. Patase to add sweetness? not sure of the purpose.

this is a technology of greatest jantar mantar & tantar. Jantar is the 5 kakars that we wear. mantar is the gurbani. tantar is the technology of capturing energy in water.


So what I am getting at is that this process is happening at a way deeper level than we can understand with our intellect. Only Guru Ji knows what really happens at that time. When such a profound process is happening, I personally would like to keep it as traditional and as original to the real process. I would rather be on the safe side than to err.

Bhul Chuk Maafi


Mods pls feel free to del if it feels redundant.

Thanks a lot bro.

It is not only a Punjabi festival, it is celebrated all over India. I understand, it is not a Sikh festival, but we must not slander or look down upon it, as it promotes good ethics and values.

Waheguru jee kaa Khalsa
Waheguru jee kee Fateh

Mata sahib Kaur did not put the patasseh in the baata... It was mata jeet Kaur who put them in... Mata sahib Kaur came 1 year and 18 days after 1699...

Lord Satguru Nanak was the incarnation of God, from birth. He gave this power to the next guru and so on. Finally, the power was given to the holy book. Below is a verse, regarding fifth master from SGGS.

ਭਨਿ ਮਥੁਰਾ ਕਛੁ ਭੇਦੁ ਨਹੀ ਗੁਰੁ ਅਰਜੁਨੁ ਪਰਤਖ੍ਯ੍ਯ ਹਰਿ ॥੭॥੧੯॥
So speaks Mat'huraa: there is no difference between God and Guru; Guru Arjun is the Personification of the Lord Himself. ||7||19||

Not only are the humans, part of God; everything that exists, is a part of God.

Peace

The other way to look at this what Guru Maharaj ordered and what was carried out. Chandi bheta would possibly mean a painless death.

Please see this thread on real meaning of nanak from japji sahib teeka by sant gyani gurbachan singh khalsa bhindranwale:

"People who say they will first die and then arise are mistaken. If they do not first receive resurrection while they are alive, once they have died they will receive nothing." (Gospel of Philip 73:1-4)

ਗੁਰੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਨਾਨਕੁ ਹਰਿ ਸੋਇ ॥੪॥੭॥੯॥

Gur Naanak Naanak Har Soe ||4||7||9||

गुरु नानकु नानकु हरि सोइ ॥४॥७॥९॥

Nanak is the Guru; Nanak is the Lord Himself. ||4||7||9||

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We are not sargun saroop of akaal purkh or nirgun saroop of akaal purkh... Our goal is to merge ourselves to become one with nirgun saroop of akaal purkh..