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It's talking about Desires.......(that's what I see)
One may be dictating or encouraging a desire(woman)the woman quality within us... and the animal quality(hunter) ..goes hunting outside to satisfy this desire.
Guys...this is deeper than you think. It is the BOTH the woman and man qualities that WE possess.....that Guruji is referring to.
Desires--->Tongue-->taste--->sexual as well...which is why it goes on to discuss modesty, purity and honor.........see below

ਮਃ  ੧  ॥
Mėhlā 1.
First Mehl:
 
ਰੰਨਾ  ਹੋਈਆ  ਬੋਧੀਆ  ਪੁਰਸ  ਹੋਏ  ਸਈਆਦ  ॥
Rannā ho▫ī▫ā boḏẖī▫ā puras ho▫e sa▫ī▫āḏ.
Women have become advisors, and men have become hunters.
 
ਸੀਲੁ  ਸੰਜਮੁ  ਸੁਚ  ਭੰਨੀ  ਖਾਣਾ  ਖਾਜੁ  ਅਹਾਜੁ  ॥
Sīl sanjam sucẖ bẖannī kẖāṇā kẖāj ahāj.
Humility, self-control and purity have run away; people eat the uneatable, forbidden food.
 
ਸਰਮੁ  ਗਇਆ  ਘਰਿ  ਆਪਣੈ  ਪਤਿ  ਉਠਿ  ਚਲੀ  ਨਾਲਿ  ॥
Saram ga▫i▫ā gẖar āpṇai paṯ uṯẖ cẖalī nāl.
Modesty has left her home, and honor has gone away with her.
ਨਾਨਕ  ਸਚਾ  ਏਕੁ  ਹੈ  ਅਉਰੁ  ਨ  ਸਚਾ  ਭਾਲਿ  ॥੨॥
Nānak sacẖā ek hai a▫or na sacẖā bẖāl. ||2||
O Nanak, there is only One True Lord; do not bother to search for any other as true. ||2|| 
 
read it very carefully... The 1st line can easily be read on the surface. BUT think what you are doing when reading as such ???....You are reading in further duality of the duality we already live in.. NOTE-Guru NANAK Ji's shabads very rarely talk in exoteric duality, except when he is praising. They are mostly Esoteric and inwardly directed to each and every one of us and the nutty minds we possess!
Your MIND -->enveloped in the feminine MAYA-->this is the ->she/the woman.
Hunter--->animal instinct---all about getting what you desire, ...you search for satisfaction to  quench thirst of desires..desires of tongue...which also lead to desires of genitalia......so when Guruji has used male/female--->also implies sexual desire and sexual hunger as well as hunger/desire of tongue.
You have to note that the TONGUE and genitalia are the TWO organs that are single, and in the middle of our dualistic bodies..(we have 2 arms,hands,eyes,ears, nostrils..etc..)  But TONGUE is ONE and when one can learn to control carnal desires by using it to JAP the ONE name, then the dishonorable sexual/lower down energies get transformed as well to purer and higher energies..  (it is fact that one who can control cravings of tongue/taste.. chocolate, sweets  etc  also has very little problem controlling carnal desires
 
So what is the last line saying ??
Well, Guruji is saying that your mind, your instincts, will send you around sniffing and biting trying to find that ultimate desire.......we foolishly know that we need something to quench this unknown thirst... It's unknown because whatever we find, consume and enjoy.....we are still NEVER satisfied..... WHY?? because what the Mind is really in search for is the Jyot Saroop, ...the TRUTH ..the Sach itself......and we don't even know it and will waste our whole life consuming everything we think tastes good.
 
ONLY the SACH is what we SHOULD BE HUNTING FOR......Nothing else !
 
my answer-->the tuk is nothing about women being desires or blaming the kalyug age we live in. When you really love and have True prem for Akaal Purakh, then you don't care if the light is from the moon or sun, whether it is dark or day, whether you are born in kalyug age or not,  because you should be thankful you have benn given this ONE chance to come out of lakh chaurasi.
 
 
 
 
 

Gurmukhi Grammar can be used to explain Gurbani meanings, but Gurbani is NOT bound by any man-made grammar rules. Period.

daas bro,
how did you come in contact with negative entities ? during meditation or certain places ?
pls share
 

Witches are one of the joonis from the stack of 84 Lakh (8.4 million). In Gurbani there are many references to bhots, pret, witches, and many other types.......all these are some types of negative entities, specifically witch means female negative entity with some powers. As Satkirin has mentioned that in said Shabad, Maya is compared to Witch and that is correct. But I do NOT agree with Satkirin when she said that witches are not real, just Gurbani is comparing Maya with witches. Remember that, Gurbani (in the said shabad) is comparing Maya with witches so that it is easier for us to create an image of Maya based upon the properties and behavior of witches and one would give pointers ONLY if pointers exist. e.g when we want to define someone like Tom, then obviously Tom existed.
Moreover, these days some people do not believe in the existence of these negative entities. In other words, they have never dealt or seen them; but that does not mean those things do not exist. I did saw, heard, and experiences these some type of negative entities but luckily everytime positive entities took over the war! Bottom line is: keep your mind's door open, don't close yourself.

or you both respect the fact that you both have views, ideas and strong opinions, and work together to decide the best way forward...
why have the panj pyare? why put 5 dominant male leaders together to help the panth forward? if 2 women can't function together how can 5 men?
its because they recognized the One within them all...and were immersed in that 'One' ... and if following Sikhi allows you to get passed your barriers, maybe you will see and experience that also...and you will see the God in your partner and vise versa...and there will be no need for nether of you to want to be the leader, or the follower...
 
God Bless

When I go to india either this year or next year I will try to make videos of Sants/mahapurkhs/gyanis answering questions that the sangat here gives. Little bit like how you did the q and a with sant jagjit Singh harkowale. 

Gurmukhi Grammar can be used to explain Gurbani meanings, but Gurbani is NOT bound by any man-made grammar rules. Period.

Gurmukhi Grammar can be used to explain Gurbani meanings, but Gurbani is NOT bound by any man-made grammar rules. Period.

Handing the palla over by the father is the SAME as giving away the daughter as ''father of the bride''
I think we should understand the reasoning of woman walking whilst holding the palla which symbolises the new bond formed by father giving his daughter away.
This has nothing to do with who is dominant and who is who's b**ch.  (is it about a dog on a leash??)
We need some maryada for pre-marriage knowledge to be hammered in to couples. They MUST understand how sacred the lava are and exactly who's jyot merges into whom?
The couple DO NOT merge their jyot into each other in the ceremony and neither is it about 2 souls become ONE. ......It is about 2 souls or 2 jyots MERGING TOGETHER into the ONE AKAL PURAKH JYOT.
TWO souls circumambulating to enter into the ONE-WAHEGURU..
So don't get it mixed up with ceremonies from other faiths where couples join in matrimony whereby GOD is WITNESS. .....because this is clearly not the case in sikhi.
 
Guru Ram Das ji  composed the four lavan and Guru Arjan Dev ji and Mata Ganga ji were the first to be married with this ceremony.
Guruji set the example himself and today we have clever clogs who think they can tamper with the sacred ceremony because they feel they have more equal right concerns than a Sikh Guru.
Are we Sikhs, if we feel we can correct our Gurus ?
 
 
 
 

The very simplest exercise for insomnia is: Exhale from crown to toes, and inhale from the toes to the crown ten times. Just practice this for 10-15 times. Personally, I've noticed that most people don't remember when they fall asleep while doing this exercise. That's it.
There is another very potent but detailed exercise which could treat any chronic case of insomnia within 7 days but at the same time should not be used to fall asleep. Here are the details:
Potent Relaxation (Shithali Karana): As taught by Swami Rama
There is no exercise known to be higher and better than this exercise to alleviate stress, hypertension. It can cure any chronic insomnia case. Even though it is great exercise for insomnia but keep in mind that this exercise should NOT used to fall asleep. If you do this exercise, you will find a difference in the quality of your sleep. In 7 days time it completely changes the whole cycle and anatomy of sleep; the quality of sleep increases and the duration of sleep decreases. Usually you do not really get a deep sleep so that your body is fully rested; you have aches and pains and inertia in the morning. If you do this exercise you will not experience those any longer.
This exercise is also very good for either mentally based or physically based depression. If you do this exercise before meditating, you will find a difference in the quality of your meditation. Practice this exercise for a long time and perfect it. You should have mastery over this exercise and do it accurately. Find out where you are committing mistakes, and then correct your mistakes. You should train your body to follow your mental instructions by doing this exercise. Use pillow under the head for this exercise because otherwise the finer gases from the digestive system can come up and disturb your heart.
Do not retain the breath in this exercise. There should be no jerks, or noises, and the breathing should not be shallow. 2nd chakra is excluded from this exercise. This exercise will drop the pulse rate drop and heart muscle able to rest. The involuntary system also rests; the pumping station that pumps blood to your brain slows down.
To begin, the room should be made dark, quiet, and the eyes should be closed. Make sure that you lie on ground or with a thin sheet on ground; never use bed or mattress as it will make your spine curved. Lie down on your back with a soft pillow (not too big or small, just normal) under the head, with your feet spread and space between two legs, the toes pointed outward, the hands a little bit away from the body, palms up, eyes and lips gently closed, and the tongue relaxed at the roof of the mouth. First, breathe diaphragmatically 5 times; 5 complete exhalations and 5 inhalations. As you exhale let your abdomen contract, allowing the lungs to expel carbon dioxide. Let the abdominal muscles gently relax when you inhale. Exhale from the crown of your head to the toes, and inhale from the toes up through the ankles, knees, hip joints, and spinal column and coming back to crown. Do this 10 times. Exhale from crown to ankles, and inhale from ankles up to crown. 10 times. Exhale from crown to knees, and inhale from knees up to crown. 10 times. Exhale from crown to perineum, and inhale from perineum up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to navel, and inhale from navel up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to heart center, and inhale from heart up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to throat, and inhale from throat up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to bridge between nostrils, and inhale from bridge between nostrils up to crown. 5 times. If one of your nostril is blocked, ask your mind to open it and if it is your friend, then it open it. Exhale from crown to space between eye-brows, and inhale from space between eye-brows up to crown. 10 times. Here breath will become very short but it is fine breathe. It is not really shallow, but actually deep and fine. Exhale from crown to bridge between nostrils, and inhale from bridge between nostrils up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to throat, and inhale from throat up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to heart center, and inhale from heart up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to navel, and inhale from navel up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to perineum, and inhale from perineum up to crown. 5 times. Exhale from crown to knees, and inhale from knees up to crown. 10 times. Exhale from crown to ankles, and inhale from ankles up to crown. 10 times. Exhale from crown to toes, and inhale from toes up to crown. 10 times. Then gently get up. Throughout this entire exercise relax your whole body and let it inhale and exhale in a natural manner. In short the summary is:
Exhale from crown to toes, and inhale from the toes to the crown ten times. Do the same with the ankles and knees. Then 5 times to perineum, navel, heart center, throat, bridge between the nostrils. Then from space between eyebrows to bridge between nostrils at least 10 times. Then reverse the process, coming back to the toes.  

Om Swami came from a rich family, is educated in Australia and was running his own multi-million dollar company. But he left everything to be on Spiritual track. Very touching articles. e.g
http://omswami.com/2015/09/a-story-of-faith.html
http://omswami.com/2015/05/a-cobbler-dog-and-god.html
I think he is indeed brave or say lucky, who can do what life really wants instead of us who are just engrossed in baseless/worthless arguments on this vs that. Have a look on his website. Great, refreshing.

Even now I'm aware it's there as taste sense is constantly active and aware. Going to get my doctor to run some blood tests just to rule out diabetes as sweet mouth and hair loss can sometimes be associated with this. I hope it's not relating to anything medical but best to just rule things out, after which just accept as grace and let whatever it is fulfill its purpose.
Pleased to read yesterday that Maskeen ji also experienced and documented it.
When I  questioned a few people about it they said accept it humbly and just swallow. Some got quite annoyed that I was complaining. Some abhiyasis make great efforts to experience it and because it came out of the blue relatively quickly to me I was seen to being unappreciative. In the early days I really struggled to cope and I told a mahapursh I can't handle it and I didn't want it anymore. After repeatedly being told to drink and me foolishly countering them with it's too sweet, there was a look of disgust and they said fine it will go away over time. I don't know what hurt me more, the disappointment they had in me for even complaining or maybe I didn't know what I was requesting. For months after that I lost it and it dawned on me that I had screwed up, but was relieved for a break from the sensation for a while. Over time I began to regret more and more that maybe in my ignorance I had put a road block in my own spiritual journey.
It came back again occasionally but never for long durations like before.
Lucky is spot on about it not always coming directly from simran but any focused religious task, like reading Gurbani or other religious texts.
After putting in some hard effort over a week ago its back and this time it is not showing any signs of stopping. Oh Balle Balle!!! Doing a little mental dance. Kind of pleased to have it back this time. Acts as a form of encouragement I'm moving again.

Good stuff guys!
I also think that there are more tastes of amrit....It starts with saas saas simran and then you get advanced one like Kabir jI's shabad that comes directly from higher chakras.
Gurbani mentions 36 different tastes
ਛਤੀਹ ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤ ਭਾਉ ਏਕੁ ਜਾ ਕਉ ਨਦਰਿ ਕਰੇਇ ॥੧॥
Cẖẖaṯīh amriṯ bẖā▫o ek jā ka▫o naḏar kare▫i. ||1||
The thirty-six flavors of ambrosial nectar are in the Love of the One Lord; they are tasted only by one who is blessed by His Glance of Grace.
The 2nd one (as mentioned above) ... is somewhat immediate, different  but not more intense....(you can't quantify it..it's not at all like saying -one is like one sugar spoon and the other is like 10 spoons)
It was Sat that told me about the jugtee of how to get the 2nd one by focusing dhyaan on naad and raising it high....
The key difference that I found was that
1) you actually had control, in the sense you could activate at will,.. once your consciousness and surti was elevated to that level..
there are many references in gurbani about drinking amrit, but if we look at this one, again by Guru Nanak ji...

ਊਪਰਿ  ਕੂਪੁ  ਗਗਨ  ਪਨਿਹਾਰੀ  ਅੰਮ੍ਰਿਤੁ  ਪੀਵਣਹਾਰਾ  ॥
Ūpar kūp gagan panihārī amriṯ pīvaṇhārā.
The Well is high up in the Tenth Gate; the Ambrosial Nectar flows, and I drink it in
Doing a little deeper vichaar, it tells me that there is an amrit in a well,..which in context is saying there is a specifc spot where one can GO to and drink the amrit at will.
To me personally, this is reference to the jugtee briefly mentioned.
 
2) I also found that at times, all I had to do was just hear some gurbani or kirtan and then it would be immediate...To me, this was a major explanation of why gurbani is called 'Amrit Bani'...
I haven't been at that elevated level recently, but  we have to wash,, wash,,wash...wash.... our filth with that amrit.
Amrit is part of the journey and we all have that filth.... So go on Bhagat...get that washing !! lol......Prabh is blessing you with the opportunity.
When it happens,,...you definitely do start doubting yourself and thinking if it's just imagination.....I even got to a stage where I thought the tasting was happening every time I hear some music . so what I did was...listened to other music and to see if it activated or not...AND it didn't....ONLY with gurbani and gurmantar jap.
Therefore, my conclusion of ''amrit bani' was even stronger.
And for those on the forum that doubt dasam bani--->>Quite simply, you can ALL find out for yourself what bani is amrit bani and what is kachi.
 
 
 

Went down to the London 40th Salana Barsi Samagam of Sant Baba Isher Singh Ji today where they had an exhibition of a few of his items. Darshan karlo ji.
Was surprised to learn that the great artist Sobha Singh only painted one mahapursh in his lifetime. That was Sant Isher Singh ji on the request of Sant Kishan Singh ji. Apparently Sobha Singh went to Rara Sahib on a number of occasions.

They had the original painting at the samagam.

Baba ji's Kes with their Kanga.

I was told by a very learned gursikh  in 1990 that by having a bhog with a muslim woman, you have created a zina which punishable under the muslim sharia law. Therefore the said woman will be punished with stoning etc. If a child is born due this sexual encounter, the child under sharia will be known as bastered and be shunned upon the communities despite being a muslim. The child will loose all the privilage being a muslim. Thus by your sexual act, you have cause harm directly  2 person , the woman and the child.Further he said that being illegitimate son, the son will cursed you as his father for rest of his life!!

On a lighter note, I am anxiously waiting for the day that Satkiran Kaur ji gives us the good news' that:
A) she has taken amrit, and
B) she has gotten married!
Looking forward to it :)

Can we lock this thread now?

I recently discovered an pattern via pictures among puritan sikh saints (sant isher singh rare sahib, sant mani singh ji, sant sunder singh Bhindranwale, sant harkhowale, sant darshan singh ji, sant nand singh ji)  when it comes to outside garb clothes and dumalla..Before enlightenment they are living simple being belwildered towards self realisation  paying no extra attention to clothes, dastar but after they pay more attention as awakened divine/ gyan is expressing through them with clear transparent divine will without any ego or personal will sneaking in and taking center stage. 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=kNR_ucZOnHM&feature=share

Oral tradition is valid as evidence. It is our panth’s oral tradition, coming from more than one unbroken lineage of teachers, that all of Dasam Granth Sahib ji is Gurbani. Despite the existence of numerous lineages of teachers, there is not one single contradiction to this point of view. 
 
Additionally, oral history can have great integrity. So much so, that even the supreme courts in Canada have recognized native oral traditions as providing a substantial evidentiary basis for native land claims. ie. White-owned courts have acknowledged that natives can make a claim on land controlled by whites based on oral evidence alone!!
 
The oral history is of course in addition to the internal evidence within Dasam Bani that corresponds perfectly to the teachings in Guru Granth Sahib ji and other evidences as well. 
 
The bottom-line is that the Dasam Granth Sahib’s status as Gurbani IS and has always been the accepted belief of the Khalsa. As the interlopers, the ones who are challenging the accepted belief of the Panth, it is incumbent upon these people to present evidence of their assertions. They have made numerous posts on this forum but I have not seen any actually step forward to provide any substantial evidence for their claims. Anybody can criticize, anybody can say this or that isn’t Bani, but where is the evidence that actually goes beyond mere conjecture?!?!

Bachans of Dhan Baba Ishar Singh Ji on how to reach Guru Nanak!

For all the good music and kirtan he has contributed to..let him spend his remaining years peacefully..we dont know what would be the reason behind this or was he given something to eat or mesmerized in saying things..hathh jorhh ke bennti hai sandh sangat ji ..Waheguru aap jaahnnda sach jhuthh da fark.