Still nascent

hau FwFI dir gux gwvdw jy hir pRB BwvY ] hau ddaaddee dhar gun gaavadhaa je har prabh bhaavai ||     pRBu myrw iQr QwvrI hor AwvY jwvY ] prabh meraa thir thaavaree hor aavai jaavai ||     so mMgw dwnu guosweIAw ijqu BuK lih jwvY ] so ma(n)gaa dhaan guosaieeaa jit bhukh leh jaavai ||     pRB jIau dyvhu drsnu Awpxw ijqu FwFI iqRpqwvY ] prabh jeeau dhevahu dharasan aapanaa jit ddaaddee tirapataavai ||     Ardwis suxI dwqwir pRiB FwFI kau mhil bulwvY ] aradhaas sunee dhaataar prabh ddaaddee kau mahal bulaavai ||     pRB dyKidAw duK BuK geI FwFI kau mMgxu iciq n AwvY ] prabh dhekhadhiaa dhukh bhukh giee ddaaddee kau ma(n)gan chit na aavai ||     sBy ieCw pUrIAw lig pRB kY pwvY ] sabhe ichhaa pooreeaa lag prabh kai paavai ||     hau inrguxu FwFI bKisEnu pRiB puriK vydwvY ]9] hau niragun ddaaddee bakhasion prabh purakh vedhaavai ||9||

Second one is just sounds no chit chat. 
Well. There goes Gurbani again, with the information "not known" at the time. 
Maybe NASA read Gurbani afterall. 
 

Again! I would have to disagree.
This reminds me of a story. A beggar was given a boon to ask for anything he wants. He asked for a car, when asked Why? He said it would be easy for me to reach the temple everyday where I come to beg, if i have a car.
  can't atleast we sikhs grow up and use our amuly bani for something worth? Our baani is capable of providing us with Naam which is a nidhaan of 9 nidh 18 sidh 
If a person wakes up at midnight to do a jaap of such valuable mantra- will he ask for trifles like women?
  
sloku mÚ 3 ] salok mahalaa teejaa ||     bRhmu ibMdY iqs dw bRhmqu rhY eyk sbid ilv lwie ] braham bi(n)dhai tis dhaa brahamat rahai ek sabadh liv lai ||     nv inDI ATwrh isDI ipCY lgIAw iPrih jo hir ihrdY sdw vswie ] nav nidhee aThaareh sidhee pichhai lageeaa fireh jo har hiradhai sadhaa vasai ||     ibnu siqgur nwau n pweIAY buJhu kir vIcwru ] bin satigur naau na paieeaai bujhahu kar veechaar ||     nwnk pUrY Bwig siqguru imlY suKu pwey jug cwir ]1] naanak poorai bhaag satigur milai sukh paae jug chaar ||1||

Again! I would have to disagree.
This reminds me of a story. A beggar was given a boon to ask for anything he wants. He asked for a car, when asked Why? He said it would be easy for me to reach the temple everyday where I come to beg, if i have a car.
  can't atleast we sikhs grow up and use our amuly bani for something worth? Our baani is capable of providing us with Naam which is a nidhaan of 9 nidh 18 sidh 
If a person wakes up at midnight to do a jaap of such valuable mantra- will he ask for trifles like women?
  
sloku mÚ 3 ] salok mahalaa teejaa ||     bRhmu ibMdY iqs dw bRhmqu rhY eyk sbid ilv lwie ] braham bi(n)dhai tis dhaa brahamat rahai ek sabadh liv lai ||     nv inDI ATwrh isDI ipCY lgIAw iPrih jo hir ihrdY sdw vswie ] nav nidhee aThaareh sidhee pichhai lageeaa fireh jo har hiradhai sadhaa vasai ||     ibnu siqgur nwau n pweIAY buJhu kir vIcwru ] bin satigur naau na paieeaai bujhahu kar veechaar ||     nwnk pUrY Bwig siqguru imlY suKu pwey jug cwir ]1] naanak poorai bhaag satigur milai sukh paae jug chaar ||1||

Depressed n Guru k singhs??
Never mind. 
I guess it's high time I can stop making you guys understand my point.. The one who hasn't tasted Amrit rass of love n bhakti can't understand the power of its intoxication and healing.. ... 
But I would still say one last time that Guru k singhs were in love with the Guru -they weren't paid slaves or soldiers like that of mughals...  they won't need any such superficial thing if they have the real thing..- the Amrit (only if you knew the power and how high it can make one! - but aap aapni budh hai jeti- you are considering them ordinary human beings like me n you) 
I won't be taking this debate further.
 
Don't worry bro @GurjantGnosticMy husband loves me more than you can think of. He's a teetotaller - won't allow me a drop of wine be alone sukha ... 
 
Waheguru ji ka khalsa waheguru ji ki Fateh! 

@paapiman Have you ever heard the ringing in your ears ?

Been keeping busy and not had much time to come on here.
@Mooorakh ji, Yes I like the way your approach is. It's an extremely fine line between sleep and sunn whilst in bed at night. You only really know 'after' you come out of the state of whether you were there or not.  However, there are also many dream states -or what we may think are supna- that are actually planes/avsasthas of where we are completely jagat.  

Kudi hoke 2-3 vaari Sorry, apologize bolgi agli. Hor kedi dust leni Tu veere?? 
Sangat here is really helpful. We should not bring our egos in between. 
Anyway I was planning to share an experience here today and let's bring the thread to it's real form. 
As moorakh bhn shared levels of amrit Rass yesterday, I wanted to confess that Amritrass not only appears but disappears too. I had a big argument in the family about a month ago and I said a few things in rage as anger took over me, which I regretted saying later. But I lost all the amrit Rass from my mouth. I regret it so much. I was so sad. So sorry. Though I wasn't wrong in putting my point  just that in heated moment I hurt someone's feelings in the way I said it.. 
It took me a month to apologize and convince waheguru ji and make up for what I have lost. I have now got it bck but at the beginers level only. 
Please I am putting this here and in sweet taste thread, so that anyone who is going through this may not commit the same mistake I did. 
Waheguru

When I was small and ask questions like these my mom used to say "beta Gurbani buddhi da vishey( subject) nahi hai" I didn't understand then but now I do. 
Meri matt thori Ram

yaar tusi te bade gusse plus jaldi vich lagde ho?  I told you I didn't understand it then .. It's a matter of practice. Of experience. It's Not the matter of explainations... Ok tell me something I was hungry I ate something filling I am satisfied now, if a guest comes to me and ask me how did your tummy get satisfied by what you ate. I don't know what to tell him. All I can tell him is I was hungry. I got food. It  satisfied me. But how? I have no clue.. That's how its meant to be. Earth is round. It revolves around the Sun but why nd how? I don't know.. 
As you progress in Bhakti you cross few hurdles and move further in Stages- avasthas. You are right. I don't have answers. I am no gyaani but this forum I am aware, has those brilliant diamonds. Be humble. Keep walking.. You will feel those avasthaas yourself.. If you r keen in getting answers you WILL get them. Bani certifies that. Turde ko turda mile urde ko urda

No brother, they both are the students of PMKC Moga. We should put our dhyaan as per Dharamjeet Singh ji on a point outside our forhead. He points at it about 6 inches bahar than forhead Or nose end and Simranjeet Singh tohana calls the same as khali khala. Point is same only the manner of saying is different. 
That's what I have understood. I stand to be corrected. 

They are all traps bro. There are thousands of worlds out there. Paataala paatal lakh agaasa aagaas orak orak bhaal thake.. Keep on searching and getting tired. The only parmeshwar is sarab vyaapak-  omnipresent. Why waste time in searching Astral worlds when we can feel him as close as our eyes

They are all traps bro. There are thousands of worlds out there. Paataala paatal lakh agaasa aagaas orak orak bhaal thake.. Keep on searching and getting tired. The only parmeshwar is sarab vyaapak-  omnipresent. Why waste time in searching Astral worlds when we can feel him as close as our eyes

The lotus! 
It refers to the flower or ☀ mark that you see on the foot of Guru Sahib in the picture above. 
Nanaksar Maryaada tells us to meditate on the padam - on the Sargun roop of The Guru. 
It is said that Sri Krishna had this padam on his foot, which emitted s a bright light like a star. It became the reason for his physical death. Similarly there's a Sakhi of Guru RAMDAAS Sahib having Padam on his feet

I don’t claim to be of any avastha or spiritual stage. This path of bhagti is never ending. But it’s a path of Bhagti. Of Love. Not avasthas, who’s higher up, what’s higher up. There is no higher or lower. It’s only until you literally put your head on the floor and accept your self as shit as the Gurus themselves accepted themselves as lowly worms, that you start truly loving. I’m by no means perfect at all. I accept myself as shit. I’m just a sinner, we all are without Him. For without Truth, we live in ego, 
 
I wondered around for years in fear etc. it actually took me ages to accept the Truth. I dont usually talk about this stuff because I don’t dwell on visions anymore and I don’t think anyone’s higher or lower for having them, that’s ego. I guess I started accepting everything’s Him when I started having visions, of the Gurus etc, lights, auras, all that stuff. I know a lot of people who have these so no big deal, and doesn’t make anyone great or worse as His creation is Equal, all an extension of Him. 
 
I used to see his shakti, blue lights, everywhere, on and as everything etc, hence realising, it’s all just One, I saw and felt His prescence as Everything, everywhere on everyone in waking life. I knew it was Him as a wife knows their spouse. I first started having those experiences properly when I started doing naam simran at 4am, my third eye seemed to open and then there was no going back. Then the next few years, I started going deep into samadhi, and having experiences. Going deep into the sunn, I realised, it’s All just Him. I felt like my heart was opening to the universe and that it’s all just an extension of Him.
I understood that He has no form or image, that the world is a dream and an illusion, and the reality is Nothing, but a frequency, that can’t be described. His presence. I’ve gone through phases where I’ve had dreams of the Gurus guiding me almost every single night some weeks and too many darshans to count. I know other Sikhs who have had these too, and although I accepted the blessings, I’ve realised not to dwell on them as they’re guiding lights that help lead the way and also Reassurance that we’re on the right path. 
I started understanding that the Dukh and the Sukh, the good and bad, angel, demons are all just Him. I started forgetting, but when I forgot, I’d bring myself to the present moment and remember that it’s All just Him. There is no image or form, the images are Him. I’d apply what I’d learned in my samadhi in real life. It’s just a frequency you vibrate at, like a knowledge you have that brings you to a level where you know it’s Him and can feel it. In reality, it’s just Love, my heart was open to Him. In the good and the bad. Any visions of demons Or ghosts I would have, I’d just start laughing and say God I know it’s just you, and go back to sleep or my business. 
 
I actually realised Love of Truth, As in my heart had expanded to basically its zenith, when I’d pushed all of the visions I used to have constantly in waking life aside, accepted my life and work, and my time on this earth as my Karam for now, and also experienced a lot of Dukhi in life and in my work. One day when things were bad, My heart opened so much, I felt like it had burst, and I realised that all the bad eggs I’d met, the con artists, nindaks etc, and the messed up things that had happened as well as the happiness and the good, had opened my heart to realise that it’s all just Him, love, and that’s when I realised that the path isn’t rocket science, and by no means about where you’re at, for the path is Endless and the Truth discoveries Never End. Its just True Love, In good and bad, accepting this universe as One, that we are One. You can’t properly explain love, you have to feel it, and walking on the straight and narrow path, following gurbani/ being good, taking care of your mind, body, spirit, supporting your own life, naam simran etc is the way to do it. Love has no logic and you have to experience it yourself. He is not some unattainable level you can’t reach. He’s everywhere, He flows through us, and His love for us is Unconditional. He’s everyone and thing we see and all that we don’t. It’s an advanced psychology. He’s not simply accessible to some on the path and others less. That’s what the Gurus tried to tell us. Look around you and remember or apply  it. Gurbani tells us it many times. Talk to Him, ask Him for Guidance yourself. 
 
 

Waheguru ji, 
You are absolutely correct, I am not contradicting any thing you wrote nor m trying to argue. All I am saying is what I understand as per my experience. Being Nirbhau isn't easy. We all know Guru Nanak sahib told us that my waheguru ji has these amazing attributes. He's Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal moorat, KartaPurakh, ajoooni .... I would love to go on and on On this...  we all want to be like our supreme Dad of course. 
But it isn't easy. I have seen many abhiyaasis getting scared in their Abhyaas. I have felt a terror myself. Being Nirbhau is just isn't something you can do to yourself it's his grace- avastha that he himself imparts when and only when one Trust him- surrender to him completely. - hun Tu jaan Waheguru meri Dori haath tumhare. Tu farr mainu..  mai kujh nahi bass tu hi tu hai jo hai.. 
@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day😊😊. 
 

Exactly is what is happening with me too. Thanks sat ji for this, you have given it words. I am drowning and I know I am but don't know how to save myself.
Looking for sangat we created a group of a few like minded Gurmukhs, but then each has a different teacher one among you mentioned and a few more. Who's that ONE teacher to follow is my quest. 
I got to Amrit ras - sehaj subhaay and then thought it was a disease for lack of knowledge. Started following other Mat's philosphers. Something similar happened to mooorakh bhn,     she got close to dhund before seeing Parmatma and thought it's her eye sight. 
Now One Teacher fights 5 chanting loudest with Gurmantra . Other says pyaar naal 'pani khicho'. Third calls Wa he Guru in 3 syllables and each claims they have seen waheguru with their jugti. I am stuck of course looking for the one right for me. Only Gurmail singh ji mentioned about dhund but he also mentioned about colors which Dharamjeet singh ji said is nowhere in SGGS as one other lady in the group follows him and discussed it with him. He said this shouldn't be followed.  Simranjeet singh ji is too busy and has too many followers. 
That's why this isn't an easy path.. 

No no brother, it's not that he said Onkaar jap, he said Onkaar kar sakde jo, waheguru kar sakde jo, Hari, Allah any.. 
He himself does Waheguru simran and so do I. 
Thank you ji. I do saas gras but i will do inward pumps as well, that may help my bulging tummy too : - ) 
Now that's a story brother. I heard about this Veerji from a learned Gurmukh, he also sent these recordings. I downloaded this app, got his number from there and called him. Don't ask me why because I am still asking this myself. Now this person had a strong persona. A very strong vibration,  he said he could  take me across the bhavjal of vichaars
Yes you read it right. He says he can. 
I got in dubidha - one head said wow! I have been asking for this all my life, koi aave santo! types and the logical one says - Hows it possible? 
I was stuck. I contacted a few Gurmukhs I know including mooorakh bhn she's a member of a gurbani group I follow. Sent them all the recordings and pics. But haven't received any substantial answer yet
What shall I do? Is this a test or an opportunity? I hv started following Osho few years ago, don't want to repeat my mistake. This veerji seems full of practical gyaan, talks sense. Chants Waheguru. No money or any thing asked rather he's in merchant Navy, so he earns a hefty salary-don't see any minus anywhere
Please guide every one. Sangat is the Guru
 

Waheguru ji ka khalsa Waheguru jiki Fateh ji 
They ( Sach Nao vadiaayi vichaar)  have created another daily Simran group on Skype..  Anybody who is interested in joining can download Skype and pm me their watsapp number please 
This group is conducted by  Bibi Maan Kaur ji - student of Bhai Dharamjeet Singh ji 
Waheguru! 
 

Waheguru ji
This could be a bliss for abhiyaasi Gurmukhs. Live Simran streaming all day long.  If any of you is a part of this Skype group Pls dm me the link.where I could join from .. I would be grateful
Else for us all we can take laaha  here😊😊
 
https://youtu.be/yHa945HHDRY
 

So what do you both suggest, shall I keep on walking my path without any particular teacher among these. Keep on picking tits and tats from here and there with SGGS as my everything as sukhpreet says. 

Guys, you really don't want to fall in this entrapment.
The Mind is too easy to tempt into different directions. Grabbing tips from x,y and z will only make the mind race and prevent it form stabilizing.   One's daily conduct has to be done with a steady mind.  How you go about in your day reflects how easily you can go into sehaj and steadiness in simran.
Keep it simple, have faith and be prepared to give your matt at all times. Jumping around with a monkey mind, going from x,y, z will only weaken your hold over the mann.
You must have complete faith in the EK that you decide to follow. No faith, means no progress.

You probably know enough already to walk quite far down this journey. Now work on the practical building not the theoretical understanding unless you need your battery charging. I should also practice what I preach HaHa. 
You shouldn't really have too many questions for Gurmukhs unless your having simran problems or experiences that you want to share or discuss with them. Honestly they get fed up with people calling them all the time. Don't become one of those. Keep it once every few weeks or months. Then they love to hear from you, and see how your getting on. Just shows them you not one of those who came and then disappeared never to reach out to them again.
Don't become one of those who calls after every sneeze or tyre puncture to ask why it happened to you? Please do ardas for me etc etc..  When they do a natural bachan of their own choosing for you, then that is the most powerful blessing you will ever need.
I was recently telling my teacher that I'm struggling to do simran for more than 15 mins before I drift into Sunn and I am going in and out in one sitting. I was concerned that I should be forcing myself to stay awake because I kept on hearing mix signals from everyone what I should do, even once from him. He said absolutely not. Don't force yourself because you wont be able to. Let sunn/sehaj come. Get to the stage when you are able to say Waheguru once and you have gone into Sunn. Leave the rest to Waheguru to work His magic. If you can fall into sunn / sehaj listening to sehaj dhun/anhad sounds then even better, but if not keep working on the gurmantar and let the mind drift into sunn when it wants. 🙏 This has been bothering me for months and years now I think and I keep going round in circles because I'm stuck in same rut because I keep hearing different views. Rather than just letting it happen I kept on wanting to solve the issue when I should have just gone with the flow ages ago.
Even Charanjit Singh Gorkhi said he used to drift into Sunn when he was doing simran, although he never used a term for it. The similarities are all there, but we can't rush these things no matter how much want to. Go with the flow bud and work on the practical abhiyaas. Give more importance to that rather than the Akath katha, if you feel you have heard enough now. Personally I stopped listening to all the Q&A now from Simranjeet Singh because it was pushing me back into more research of how to quickly get to others peoples avastas. It's great what he is doing, but for me now it is having a negative effect.
 
 

Thank you Sceur.
Exactly what @Sat1176 veerji is saying. 
I am trying to walk on the path too and really it isn't easy when you have to live two lives. Sometimes I feel that the Jogi's path id way much better and easier cos they had just one thing to manage but then when I think about their physical hardships, I drop that thought

Spot on Bro! That's why I love you. You know how to put feelings into words so well. 
I get lot of help from this forum as I keep on reading your guys past posts and conversations. Rest I read a few books of Sewa Singh ji and others.  I am not that good with Punjabi as a language so keep getting stuck at words in kathas, for which I have to call my mom then. She starts brabbing as soon as she hears words from me like sukhmana or samaadhi etc. "Mai keh ri haa eh Sikhi Ni tuera rasta galt hai" and how do I tell her that she has reached there as she has been seeing those lights with knowing anything about it. She still believes sharing may ralentisezz her spiritual growth. 
Sitting in sunn is such a bliss that charges one in minutes, each of us here wants to reach the destination asap and thus looking for shortcuts but I feel that there aren't any. Somedays it get into it in minutes and otherwise I keep waiting and it just doesn't happens.. Sometimes when I get fed up I cry and you know what ! That works. I feel better and progressing the next day. 
One more thing, these kathas says that kirtan isn't worth taking us forth but I feel it is, all religions in the world are based on music. After all Anhad naad is music too. I really want to open another thread on this to discuss this. Hope to get inputs from you all.
Sat Sri Akal