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Go to muslim blogs and forums they tell Britishers were against muslims and were benefitting Hindu- sikhs
Go to Hindu blogs and forums they tell Britishers favoured sikhs and muslims
Sikh forums also tell Britishers were pro muslims and hindu's
 
So where the truth lies?

Just Like sikhs around the world  know that Beadbi at kotkapura was done by Sacha sauda or RSS.lol
On a serious note just read some white supermacist blogs forums etc Most of them hate present structure of their nations.They hate Feminism because they think Feminism killed their birth rate. Check white woman TFR it is around 1.4-5 something , many of them call it race suicide 
I don't know much about this but even if they then why so much surprise. Every nation in world is blindly trying to ape them.They are benchmark of progressive liberal society People in many nations have shunned their clothes , Hairstyles to copy them. Their language is adopted as world language.In countries like India I have seen Security guards with master degree in sanskrit. while 1 girl batch mate of my brother who failed even computer degree   in first attempt got job in MNC company because of her looks and english speaking ability.In iNdia many very good students who are not good in english lag so much behind while English speaking fools who act like westerners gain so much. 

But we hate buffaloes and Punish them for giving us more milk than cows ,that's why Punjab is one of leading state in Buffalo meat export

This  is same Western society that trashes India and other Asian nations on women right issues but allow Saudi Prince to molest , rape their women and Flee.Leftists all over world criticise Israel and Hug saudi royal family , long live double standards

You have not read my post carefullfy , I have already said that at indivisual level this debate is useless.And yes its a a fact that dangerous and dirty jobs are dominated by men , don't just just go by I have seen this so and so women are working so they must be in high percentage
States from Canadian army
Only 20 percent Canadian police is women
So much equality in Canada but its strange that 30 times men die than women doing dangerous jobs
This is from Australia . Forget about in percentage they don't even apply jobs as garbage collectors

When we talk about gender roles we talk about what majority do or prefer. There are fire brand Sadhvi's in Hindutva.They cut their hair short wear male dresses and live like men, but tell Hindu's to have more kids or marry muslim women. They have command over 1000s of men.They never do what an average Hindu woman is expected to do 
 
Just a question can you tell what is percentage of women doing male dominated jobs, In New york only 1% percent taxi drivers are women. Only 7 % women are commercial pilots in developed nations, only 4% percentage are firefighters 
Look at above news about Mumbai sewer cleaners , almost all men doing hellish jobs. Most of them will be happy if they cook and play with children rather than manually cleaning sewers.
 
If women want equality in workplace then they all have to do dirty and dangerous jobs which men do and that too in large percentage O/W women what dream jobs in male dominated area they do is just their choice and privilege  .
 
Handful of lucky people in world has spread the myth that people should do what they want , what they don't understand is there are many which are doing so many jobs which are unwanted by many and because of these unwanted jobs they can do their dream jobs 

Yes Sikhs killed muslims during 1947 partition , but only as revenge. It was muslims that started killing Hindu's and Sikhs in west Punjab 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdX0v-S-6u0
Please watch this what sikhs went through. These things happened when Pakistan was not even officially announced .It is easy to talk about peace in peace time but when people went through something extremely horrible then their thinking change completely
 
Namdhari sect is not in Sikh panth 
 
And yes sikhs protected cows because being an agrarian country cow was extremely important Infact even Babur banned cow slaughter after its invasion. Hardly any indic religion followers eat cows. BTW Hindu's in Kerala eat beef , does that make them separate religion?
 
And you are going gaga over few muslims in Sikh dominated Punjab and Hindu dominated India protecting Guru granth Sahib
 
Look How they treat Sikhs in Muslim dominated Punjab of Pakistan
They are not even sparing holiest Sikh city where in India they are fighting for useless Babri Mosque which hold no significance for them. A true nature of religion is displayed when they are in absolute majority and not living in some minority area  .The above is from Pakistani sources so you can't even say that that it is fabricated

What else he will say
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GkHwIitu4Sg
 
Look at above video , he was thrown by people and he did not say a word. If he was in sober condition then he would have fought very hard

This party is considered as savior of sikhs and Punjab by many 

Yes Sikhs killed muslims during 1947 partition , but only as revenge. It was muslims that started killing Hindu's and Sikhs in west Punjab 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cdX0v-S-6u0
Please watch this what sikhs went through. These things happened when Pakistan was not even officially announced .It is easy to talk about peace in peace time but when people went through something extremely horrible then their thinking change completely
 
Namdhari sect is not in Sikh panth 
 
And yes sikhs protected cows because being an agrarian country cow was extremely important Infact even Babur banned cow slaughter after its invasion. Hardly any indic religion followers eat cows. BTW Hindu's in Kerala eat beef , does that make them separate religion?
 
And you are going gaga over few muslims in Sikh dominated Punjab and Hindu dominated India protecting Guru granth Sahib
 
Look How they treat Sikhs in Muslim dominated Punjab of Pakistan
They are not even sparing holiest Sikh city where in India they are fighting for useless Babri Mosque which hold no significance for them. A true nature of religion is displayed when they are in absolute majority and not living in some minority area  .The above is from Pakistani sources so you can't even say that that it is fabricated

Search the entire net and found me intstances of sikhs raping killing muslims in late 1946 or early 1947 when Pakistan was not declared 
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct_Action_Day
This was the day when muslim league started riots all over India.The sikhs rioting and killing started quite late.Its a fact not and not some fiction
 
 
 

even pre partition or 1984 era people were very kind to each other , I sincerly hope they don't do anything to sikhs 

Dalsingh hates whites thats why he is growing Kale lol

Dalsingh hates whites thats why he is growing Kale lol

I dont look at it like that , i dont think she has done any mistake . I did tell her something similar to think over her decision but let me tell you in the market of religions, there are other religions which would be less challenging to follow . The Buddhist and Bahai are very popular with lesser issues . If she would have wanted to be at ease she could have chosen them . She has faced challenges and has been with Sikhi inspite of the fact that the indic values are clashing with her mindset.
We of indic origin are lost in addressing 'sahib' and 'ji' and doing some simran and sewa , we start seeing a halo around ourselves . Let us learn to accept the odds, the Gurus did this too.
Bhai Mardana ji  even though being a Muslim was a follower of Guru Nanak, following him playing the rabab. What do we know of his diet and habits ?
If you have ever visited Sachkhand Sri Hazoor Sahib especially during Dussehra and Holi look around what you get to see Sikligars, Lambada tribals Vanjharas , all of these have followed Guru Gobindsingh ji and most of them are not keshdhari , do not speak Punjabi ,which means they do not totally blend with the roop of Sikhi but still are with the Panth. Thanks to the Hazoori singhs who have accepted them as they are. The Punjabis couldnt even tolerate the Majhbis and Ravidassis who are more blended with the Punjabi culture.

I do not want to judge her faith and love for Sikhi , up above there is the Guru and Akaal Purakh to judge . I know for sure myself that i couldnt even do this , i havent taken amrit nor have kes, i am not even fit to be a dog of the Guru ghar.
Hum naahi channgge na bura koi ..
SATKIRIN KAUR I AM PROUD OF YOU, if not everybody.
 

This is what they do with  calves
 Of course cows and calves can be killed in above humane way so all religious hypocrits can drink their milk.Just turn blind eye toward these and continue living in denial

even pre partition or 1984 era people were very kind to each other , I sincerly hope they don't do anything to sikhs 

Satkirin, it sounds like you've serious misconceptions about the society in India and about men in general. If you've travelled and resided with an Indian family it does NOT mean you knew their culture better, you might have noticed that particular family's behavior and NOT their culture or behavior in general. You might have got the impression that in general woman are expected to stay at home, but that doesn't mean the society in general is like that. My mother was a vice-principle of school and her mother (my maternal grandmother) was a teacher in 1960s in India. And there were lot of females working even decades back. e.g if someone visits Detroit and make the general impression that people in USA are poor, living only on Government funds etc. then that person is wrong. In other words, if you're wearing black colored glasses, then you're bound to see the world in black light.
See, the issue with torture or rape is NOT with the men or women. It's the issue with the degrading mind and society in general because of lack of moral education and NOT because of man or woman. A bad man or woman would do the bad whenever they get a chance, it's just a matter of chance where they (man or woman) can act according to their maligned desire. People say that education will help improve the society, I personally do NOT agree with this because the modern education is devoid of real education (which happens to be called Moral education).
And regarding the recent cases of misuse of particular law against the male is growing at extremely fast pace. These laws were designed for the safe-guard of women but mostly these are misused by the women. I personally know a lot of cases like:
- Our neighbors boy was slapped with dowry case because the girl's family wants money and then remarry. Eventually, he had to settle the case outside of court (obviously by giving the girl extra money)
- From my friend's circle, a girl falsely accused her in-laws of dowry and when they confronted in court with lawyers; the girl slapped another case of sexual harassment on her father-in-law.
- Again, a girl tortured my friend so badly that he had to end his life because the girl had already slapped a case of dowry and was threating to drag her unmarried sister.
And you might be astonished that all (except one) of the girls in the above cases are highly/professionally qualified. These are just the case from the top of my mind in recent years.
So, please take OFF your glasses and see the real cause and just don't start screaming Man vs Woman. This IS the issue of modern society/education/tv/grab-everything-you-want culture where both man and woman are equally exposed to.

While we can not ensure that every single thing we come in contact with was at some point causing intentional harm to animals etc, milk is a different issue because we can CHOOSE not to buy it.  I'm not against drinking milk, or eating eggs and consume both.  Though I don't eat meat (for other reasons, not religious - for me it's the antibiotics, hormones etc that I dont want in my system.)
What I am speaking against is the HYPOCRISY of making the statement that meat is dissallowed in Sikhi because of mistreatment of animals, while you gulp your milk and turn a blind eye to the killing of baby calves so you can have that glass of milk.  In Paapiman's mind, it's ok as long as someone else does the killing... using that logic, then its also ok to eat the meat as well, since someone else killed it.  

In fact it's the HYPOCRISY that Gurbani speaks against, and not the actual meat eating... if you actually read the shabads which mention it:

ਮਾਸੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਰਿ ਮੂਰਖੁ ਝਗੜੇ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਜਾਣੈ ॥
Mās mās kar mūrakẖ jẖagṛe gi▫ān ḏẖi▫ān nahī jāṇai.
The fools argue about flesh and meat, but they know nothing about meditation and spiritual wisdom. 
ਕਉਣੁ ਮਾਸੁ ਕਉਣੁ ਸਾਗੁ ਕਹਾਵੈ ਕਿਸੁ ਮਹਿ ਪਾਪ ਸਮਾਣੇ ॥
 Ka▫uṇ mās ka▫uṇ sāg kahāvai kis mėh pāp samāṇe.
What is called meat, and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? 

What do think he is speaking against? Meat eating? Or being a hyporcite, claiming you are 'holier than thou' by being vegetarian, but doing nothing to further your spiritual path? Then, he outright asks, what is called meat and what is called green vegetables? What leads to sin? In other words the idea of what we consume being directly related to sin, is condemned, or that by being vegetarian somehow makes you more spiritual. 

Further down in the same shabad:

ਮਾਸੁ ਛੋਡਿ ਬੈਸਿ ਨਕੁ ਪਕੜਹਿ ਰਾਤੀ ਮਾਣਸ ਖਾਣੇ ॥
Mās cẖẖod bais nak pakṛėh rāṯī māṇas kẖāṇe.
Those who renounce meat, and hold their noses when sitting near it, devour men at night. 
ਫੜੁ ਕਰਿ ਲੋਕਾਂ ਨੋ ਦਿਖਲਾਵਹਿ ਗਿਆਨੁ ਧਿਆਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਸੂਝੈ ॥ 
Faṛ kar lokāʼn no ḏikẖlāvahi gi▫ān ḏẖi▫ān nahī sūjẖai.
They practice hypocrisy, and make a show before other people, but they do not understand anything about meditation or spiritual wisdom. 
 
 

 

Not ALL plants... just the ones that die as a result.  We can eat the ones which naturally drop their fruit, because the main plant lives.  The fruit dropps to spread the seeds anyway. 

So this includes things like beans and lentils would be fine. Also eggplants, peppers, peas, tomatoes, corn etc. which are plucked off the parent plant. Rice and other grains are also ok because it's essentially the seed pod we use. 
Most fruits are ok and berries etc. Because the plant does not die. 
But not root vegetables like potatoes (so much for aloo), yams, turnips, carrots, gobi, brocoli, etc.  because the plant dies as a result. Even mushroom would be bad...

Maybe this is why Gurbani says to eat simply... I remember a quote about lentils and rice... using the vegetables that do not kill the plant itself, there are still many options! 

In olden times, there weren't alternatives to dairy... now there are.  So if we are against killing... and if we are for protecting cows... then should we really use dairy when there are things like rice milk, almond milk, margarine, vegan cheese, etc?? I mean, even in the west here, if you are interested in the whole turkey dinner at holidays thing... there is a whole turkey made of tofu you can buy! Complete with a stuffing made of rice and cranberries and vegan gravy in the kit!  (I've tried it, and it's not bad!)
Eggs, are ok as long as they are not from a factory farm, but instead a small organic free range operation. Chickens lay eggs regularly anyway, and there's no male chicks born since they are never fertilized.  Eggs are much more humane (as long as you avoid factory farms) than dairy - and is still only a 'product' of an animal and not anything living which was killed.
 

How is that funny???  You kept all those baby bows??? Or you find it funny that they are sold for slaughter or left to starve to death in their first weeks of life? There is NO WAY that ALL of the baby cows on ANY dairy farm are kept.  You'd quickly be overrun by cows!! 

Earlier male calves were castrated and used to plough or pull cart but now with tractors this purpose is over , most farmers delibrately  starve the calves if they are of no value .

1) In order to produce milk a cow must get pregnant.
2) One cow does not produce much milk ( we are speaking about amounts to sell and be lucrative
3) Cow has baby cow... baby cow needs that milk. But wait... the humans want that milk.
4) what do you think happens to the baby cows???
5) SOME calves are allowed to grow to become milkers... FEMALES only.  Very FEW males are kept to be breeders. The males mostly are killed. Many females are too, as we are talking about LOTS of babies each year.  No farmer has the crops or space to expand their cattle herd by this many of babies per year which is what would happen if they kept all the babies and allowed them to grow and live full natural lives.  Again, what do you do with the babies?? Sell them to other dairy farms? They have their own babies to deal with. 

What do you think happens to the baby cows, aprticularly the males???????  They are killed... or sold for meat / slaughter.  They usually are killed within the first weeks of life, to be used as a meat called veal.
 
Every time you drink milk or use dairy, there was baby cows that were killed so that the dairy product could be made instead of feeding the baby cow.  There is no way to get around it or else youd have way too many males cows on the famr in no time which the farmer then has to feed and is not getting any return on.  The dairy industry indirectly feeds the veal industry.  If you dont know what veal is, please Google it.

 

If cow protection is a must then there is NO WAY someone can condone dairy products at all.  

The fact is known, the baby calves are KILLED / SLAUGHTERED within first week of life so that the milk produced for the calf can be used instead for human consumption.

Anyone who is against meat eating because of killing the animal, but drinks dairy is a hypocrite!  
One cow produces milk only for a limited time after birth of a calf.  Then to make more milk, she is impregnated again. Anyone who thinks that all these baby calves are kept and allowed to grow and live full lives, are in serious denial.  Dairy farmers would run out of space.  They either sell them for slaughter or kill them in first week of life.  
If you are against killing of animals... you should be vegan.  There are milk alternatives like rice milk or almond milk.  

Don't be a hypocrite! 

A girl gets drunk and drives home in her car. A guy gets drunk and drives home in his car. They crash their cars into each other. Is the guy at fault? 
 
A girl and guy get drunk and have consensual sex. Afterwards, the girl regrets it. What logical conclusions can a gynocentric society like pretty much all western countries (and soon India) draw from this?
The guy raped the girl The guy is responsible for his actions despite being drunk but the girl is not responsible for her actions.  The girl is still a person who has the same degree of agency / free will as a guy, but she doesn’t have to face the consequences of her actions b/c that would be unfair to her. Even sexist.