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Some inspiring pangtis to make you want to jap Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru...

Ang 692
Says Kabeer, listen, O mortal: Renounce the doubts of your mind.
kahat kabeer sunhu ray paraanee chhodahu man kay bharmaa.
Chant only the One Naam, the Name of the Lord, O mortal, and seek the Sanctuary of the One Lord.
kayval naam japahu ray paraanee, parahu ayk kee sarnaan.
Within my mind is the wealth of the Lord`
hamrai man Dhan Raam ko naamaa.

The One who pervades the Universe also dwells in the body; whoever seeks Him, finds Him there.
jo barahmanday so-ee pinday jo khojai so paavai.

Ang 696,
The Lord has kept this jewel hidden within my mind.
mayrai man gupat heer har raakhaa.

Ang 699
Chant the Glorious Praises of the Lord of the Universe, Har, Har.
har har gun govind japaahaa.
Conquering mind and body, I have earned the profit of the Shabad.
man tan jeet sabad lai laahaa.
Through the Guru`s Teachings, the five demons are over-powered, and the mind and body are filled with a sincere yearning for the Lord.
gurmat panch doot vas aavahi man tan har omaahaa raam.
The Name is a jewel - chant the Lord`s Name.
naam ratan, har naam japaahaa.
Meditate on the Lord of the world - meditate within your mind.
jap jagdees japa-o man maahaa.

Ang 700
Chanting the Naam, the Name of the Lord, the light of millions of suns shines forth, and the darkness of doubt is dispelled.
naam japat kot soor ujaaraa, binsai bharam andhayraa.

Peace and tranquility, poise and pleasure, have welled up within my mind and millions of suns, O Nanak, illuminate me.
saant sahj sookh man upji-o kot soor naanak pargaas.

This is a very deep pangti, how many of us really think or see like this? Now I'm beginning to understand once why a mahapursh explained in the advanced stages seva of waheguru is not only done with jaap but also using the eyes.

Serve the Lord forever; use your eyes, and see Him ever-present everywhere.
kar fakar daa-im laa-ay chasmay jah tahaa ma-ujood.

The True Creator Lord is diffused into His creation; He is not just the dark skinned Krishna of legends.
hak sach khaalak khalak mi-aanay si-aam moorat naahi.

SUPREME IMPORTANCE OF NAM IN SIKHEE

Dhan Dhan Satguru Sachay Patshah Arjun Dev Maharaj, tells us in His Bani of Raag Jaitsiri, about the supreme importance of His Naam at all levels, realms and conditions.

What is the purpose of all our devotional activities, we perform in our daily lives, up to the end of our days here in this world?

Well, the answer of almost all of us will be, to wash our sins and generate love for His Lotus Feet. This is all right, but let us see, what our Guru Sahiban has to say about it:


ਕਿਰਤ ਕਰਮ ਨ ਮਿਟੈ ਨਾਨਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮ ਧਨੁ ਨਹੀ ਖਟਿਆ
Kirath Karam N Mittai, Naanak Har Naam Dhhan Nehee Khattiaa
किरत करम न मिटै नानक हरि नाम धनु नही खटिआ
The karma of their past deeds cannot be erased, O Nanak, if they have not earned the wealth of the Lord's Name.

He clearly says, if the kamaee of Lord´s Name is not gathered, our past deeds(karmas) and sins can not be washed away.

Then He says:
ਉਦਮ ਕਰਹਿ ਅਨੇਕ ਹਰਿ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਗਾਵਹੀ
Oudham Karehi Anaek Har Naam N Gaavehee
उदम करहि अनेक हरि नामु न गावही
He makes all sorts of efforts, but he does not sing the Lord's Name.


Here He is telling us, He knows our manmukhta condition, cause we prefer to do a thousand and one things before, than to do His Simran or chintan.

And He warns us, that by being manmukhs, the result of this our petty mindedness, leads us to our spiritual pitfall:

ਭਰਮਹਿ ਜੋਨਿ ਅਸੰਖ ਮਰਿ ਜਨਮਹਿ ਆਵਹੀ
Bharamehi Jon Asankh Mar Janamehi Aavehee
भरमहि जोनि असंख मरि जनमहि आवही
He wanders around in countless incarnations; he dies, only to be born again.


ਬੀਜੁ ਬੋਵਸਿ ਭੋਗ ਭੋਗਹਿ ਕੀਆ ਅਪਣਾ ਪਾਵਏ
Beej Bovas Bhog Bhogehi Keeaa Apanaa Paaveae
बीजु बोवसि भोग भोगहि कीआ अपणा पावए
As are the seeds he plants, so are the pleasures he enjoys; he receives the consequences of his own actions

In this upper line, He is clearly pointing us, that, any other action/activity done, is karma which will bound us back into the creation, thus it is only His Simran, which will deliver us freedom from this mayavee and perisahble creation.

The path of Sikhee or Gurmat is not to create discrimination among human beings, or to even tie us with any worldy related chains such as dharam, karam khand, land, etc .....

The only purpose of Sikhee, is to liberate the soul from the clutches of mind, maya and wash the filth of our unlimited karmas, and reunite it with the only permanent and eternal Truth, which is Wahiguru, through His Simran.

This is the grace of Wahiguru upon us jeevas, by letting us moorakhs, know about the True devotion which pleases Him the most, through His bhagats, Gurmukhs and Guru Sahibans..


Oouch, Apaar, Beant, Soami, kaun jaane gun Tere?

Sat Sree Akal.

Shabad Guru comes from the ONG. as in Ik Ong kaar.
You start hearing the Ong at first but it takes a long time for it to fully manifest and for you to realise what it's all about.

The intial yogic sounds are not shabad but vibrations and energies from your chakras that start getting aligned with gurmantar shabad.
It's taken me over a year to realize this after going 'to and fro' many times.
I think my understandings a little stable now,..... but you never know.... I may say something else in a few months !!!

If i've read this correctly.... this was after anand karaj and the bride must have come up for extra photos from langar hall ?
OK.. if that is so, then the wedding photographer would have been familiar with the ceremony, maryada, where he can stand... no socks ...etc...etc..... but then how would he not have known that this is sacrilege ??
All photographers that I have come across in darbar are usually very much aware of what is and what isn't allowed !!
Then what the hell happened here ?

and where was anyone else, would the bride be left completely unattended ??
There are too many additional questions that should be addressed.


I think that just as gorey do wedding rehearsals before hand..... we should do something very similar which is NOT a rehearsal but which is an education process for the couple to explain the significance of anand karaj.
The gurdwara comittee or gyani jees should take care of this.
Both bride and groom have to understand what the guru is and what the REAL marriage of MIND with SHABAD GURU is actually ALL about.


Problem is that in other faiths, a couple get married in some religious setting where they assume or accept that God is the witness.
It's kind of like where 2 souls or 2 jots become ONE in the presence of God.....so to speak.

However, in Sikhi, it is completely different and unique....in the sense that 2 jots don't merge with each other directly but they merge with Satguru.
The marriage is about 2 people merging their MIND together with the Shabad.... the 2 jots don't become one with each other, but the 2 jots are supposed to be merging into One with the shabad of Guru.
This needs to implemented and addressed with some good education tools.


What's done is done, we can't reverse that. But we can make sure that education is given practically before hand to make sure this never occurs again.... anywhere !

If i've read this correctly.... this was after anand karaj and the bride must have come up for extra photos from langar hall ?
OK.. if that is so, then the wedding photographer would have been familiar with the ceremony, maryada, where he can stand... no socks ...etc...etc..... but then how would he not have known that this is sacrilege ??
All photographers that I have come across in darbar are usually very much aware of what is and what isn't allowed !!
Then what the hell happened here ?

and where was anyone else, would the bride be left completely unattended ??
There are too many additional questions that should be addressed.


I think that just as gorey do wedding rehearsals before hand..... we should do something very similar which is NOT a rehearsal but which is an education process for the couple to explain the significance of anand karaj.
The gurdwara comittee or gyani jees should take care of this.
Both bride and groom have to understand what the guru is and what the REAL marriage of MIND with SHABAD GURU is actually ALL about.


Problem is that in other faiths, a couple get married in some religious setting where they assume or accept that God is the witness.
It's kind of like where 2 souls or 2 jots become ONE in the presence of God.....so to speak.

However, in Sikhi, it is completely different and unique....in the sense that 2 jots don't merge with each other directly but they merge with Satguru.
The marriage is about 2 people merging their MIND together with the Shabad.... the 2 jots don't become one with each other, but the 2 jots are supposed to be merging into One with the shabad of Guru.
This needs to implemented and addressed with some good education tools.


What's done is done, we can't reverse that. But we can make sure that education is given practically before hand to make sure this never occurs again.... anywhere !

If i've read this correctly.... this was after anand karaj and the bride must have come up for extra photos from langar hall ?
OK.. if that is so, then the wedding photographer would have been familiar with the ceremony, maryada, where he can stand... no socks ...etc...etc..... but then how would he not have known that this is sacrilege ??
All photographers that I have come across in darbar are usually very much aware of what is and what isn't allowed !!
Then what the hell happened here ?

and where was anyone else, would the bride be left completely unattended ??
There are too many additional questions that should be addressed.


I think that just as gorey do wedding rehearsals before hand..... we should do something very similar which is NOT a rehearsal but which is an education process for the couple to explain the significance of anand karaj.
The gurdwara comittee or gyani jees should take care of this.
Both bride and groom have to understand what the guru is and what the REAL marriage of MIND with SHABAD GURU is actually ALL about.


Problem is that in other faiths, a couple get married in some religious setting where they assume or accept that God is the witness.
It's kind of like where 2 souls or 2 jots become ONE in the presence of God.....so to speak.

However, in Sikhi, it is completely different and unique....in the sense that 2 jots don't merge with each other directly but they merge with Satguru.
The marriage is about 2 people merging their MIND together with the Shabad.... the 2 jots don't become one with each other, but the 2 jots are supposed to be merging into One with the shabad of Guru.
This needs to implemented and addressed with some good education tools.


What's done is done, we can't reverse that. But we can make sure that education is given practically before hand to make sure this never occurs again.... anywhere !

If i've read this correctly.... this was after anand karaj and the bride must have come up for extra photos from langar hall ?
OK.. if that is so, then the wedding photographer would have been familiar with the ceremony, maryada, where he can stand... no socks ...etc...etc..... but then how would he not have known that this is sacrilege ??
All photographers that I have come across in darbar are usually very much aware of what is and what isn't allowed !!
Then what the hell happened here ?

and where was anyone else, would the bride be left completely unattended ??
There are too many additional questions that should be addressed.


I think that just as gorey do wedding rehearsals before hand..... we should do something very similar which is NOT a rehearsal but which is an education process for the couple to explain the significance of anand karaj.
The gurdwara comittee or gyani jees should take care of this.
Both bride and groom have to understand what the guru is and what the REAL marriage of MIND with SHABAD GURU is actually ALL about.


Problem is that in other faiths, a couple get married in some religious setting where they assume or accept that God is the witness.
It's kind of like where 2 souls or 2 jots become ONE in the presence of God.....so to speak.

However, in Sikhi, it is completely different and unique....in the sense that 2 jots don't merge with each other directly but they merge with Satguru.
The marriage is about 2 people merging their MIND together with the Shabad.... the 2 jots don't become one with each other, but the 2 jots are supposed to be merging into One with the shabad of Guru.
This needs to implemented and addressed with some good education tools.


What's done is done, we can't reverse that. But we can make sure that education is given practically before hand to make sure this never occurs again.... anywhere !

Also with reference to some of the earlier posts that I have just read about astral and OBE's.............

In my understanding, OBE's in astral are all about the power of your own mind and won't help you rise above the realms on the abyasee marg......Maybe some of you have ??...i'm not denying....but It's my understanding.
And if you have or you do feel that you are getting washed in the amrit of truth... then are you sure that you are travelling upstream to the source or Mool or are you getting washed downstream ?

ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਵੀ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਵਹਣਿ ਲੁੜ੍ਹ੍ਹੰਦੜੀ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੬॥
Ḏūjai bẖāvīʼn nānkā vahaṇ luṛĥaʼnḏaṛī ja-e
In the love of duality, O Nanak, the mortals are being washed downstream.

Guruji has given us the greatest and direct method that can take you to the highest realm of sachkhand....and that of course is the shabad and focusing your Single attention on Waheguru.

Some yogic schools and even some meditative enlightenment paths try to gear you up under the impression that you must go via astral realm with OBE to rise to the higher realms.......This may also work and gurbani doesn't condemn it either.....but Guruji said we don't need to complicate it because all we need is the ONE Jap and praise with the ONE tongue.
The EK- shabad from the EK-jap that is praising and doing sift salah of Ek waheguru will take you straight to the EK. Onkaar.

Also, from what I have now come to understand is that there are many levels of astral planes and realms. However, they are not nirgun because structural forms still exist although they may not appear purely physical as what we are used to... These are often mistaken for the places of after-life where all souls go.....but if you want to ascend via this method (as i mention above) then this is where you probably need the guides or masters that they talk about in sant mat, radhasoamis etc....
BUT I FIRMLY believe in the marg given by Guru Nanak ji which is to ascend DIRECTLY with the shabad without roaming around these structural realms/planes..... and that is with Pure EXPANSION of consciousness by connecting with shabad and following its 'Dhun'-vibration......


In my opinion....we are not going to learn much sikhi or progress by playing in astral realms. I think you need to ascend via the universe that exists inside your own body.

The lessons start coming in the further realms and you start learning more about your very own self which in turn leads you to find your own truer self and come to that God-Realisation.
Guruji says that there are so many worlds, realms and so many lessons to be learned,...........

ਕੇਤੀਆ ਕਰਮ ਭੂਮੀ ਮੇਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਧੂ ਉਪਦੇਸ ॥
Keṯī▫ā karam bẖūmī mer keṯe keṯe ḏẖū upḏes.
So many worlds and lands for working out karma. So very many lessons to be learned!

This is one reason why I said somewhere before that the further stages get very personal and unified according to our own gunas, actions, paaps and karmic imprints.

Exactly Dalsingh ji...
I think that most of us sikhs in the west have learned our lessons by seeing where and how things went wrong with many sikhs amongst us...and especially in the last 25 yrs.
If you want to be a clueless and locked out sikh, then go live in some isolated ashram or create your own prison where you can go forth and multiply.

I don't know too much about social upbringing in india... but the ones who raise their kids with the ''you can't do this'' and ''you must only do this'' attitude, are the ones that come to regret in later years.
I can't force sikhi on my kids or insist that they must do x amount hours of simran.....but I try and teach them how to do simran and assure them that there will come a time later in life when they won't regret knowing what I taught them.
It's my duty to teach them the ''How'' but not to be enforcing it on them.
I feel more than assured that they know where to turn to when they may face obstacles or hurdles in their life.

Also with reference to some of the earlier posts that I have just read about astral and OBE's.............

In my understanding, OBE's in astral are all about the power of your own mind and won't help you rise above the realms on the abyasee marg......Maybe some of you have ??...i'm not denying....but It's my understanding.
And if you have or you do feel that you are getting washed in the amrit of truth... then are you sure that you are travelling upstream to the source or Mool or are you getting washed downstream ?

ਦੂਜੈ ਭਾਵੀ ਨਾਨਕਾ ਵਹਣਿ ਲੁੜ੍ਹ੍ਹੰਦੜੀ ਜਾਇ ॥੧੬॥
Ḏūjai bẖāvīʼn nānkā vahaṇ luṛĥaʼnḏaṛī ja-e
In the love of duality, O Nanak, the mortals are being washed downstream.

Guruji has given us the greatest and direct method that can take you to the highest realm of sachkhand....and that of course is the shabad and focusing your Single attention on Waheguru.

Some yogic schools and even some meditative enlightenment paths try to gear you up under the impression that you must go via astral realm with OBE to rise to the higher realms.......This may also work and gurbani doesn't condemn it either.....but Guruji said we don't need to complicate it because all we need is the ONE Jap and praise with the ONE tongue.
The EK- shabad from the EK-jap that is praising and doing sift salah of Ek waheguru will take you straight to the EK. Onkaar.

Also, from what I have now come to understand is that there are many levels of astral planes and realms. However, they are not nirgun because structural forms still exist although they may not appear purely physical as what we are used to... These are often mistaken for the places of after-life where all souls go.....but if you want to ascend via this method (as i mention above) then this is where you probably need the guides or masters that they talk about in sant mat, radhasoamis etc....
BUT I FIRMLY believe in the marg given by Guru Nanak ji which is to ascend DIRECTLY with the shabad without roaming around these structural realms/planes..... and that is with Pure EXPANSION of consciousness by connecting with shabad and following its 'Dhun'-vibration......


In my opinion....we are not going to learn much sikhi or progress by playing in astral realms. I think you need to ascend via the universe that exists inside your own body.

The lessons start coming in the further realms and you start learning more about your very own self which in turn leads you to find your own truer self and come to that God-Realisation.
Guruji says that there are so many worlds, realms and so many lessons to be learned,...........

ਕੇਤੀਆ ਕਰਮ ਭੂਮੀ ਮੇਰ ਕੇਤੇ ਕੇਤੇ ਧੂ ਉਪਦੇਸ ॥
Keṯī▫ā karam bẖūmī mer keṯe keṯe ḏẖū upḏes.
So many worlds and lands for working out karma. So very many lessons to be learned!

This is one reason why I said somewhere before that the further stages get very personal and unified according to our own gunas, actions, paaps and karmic imprints.

Brother Bhagat Singh Jee,
you are most welcome to differ from my opinions.

Once again i will talk from my own personal view.

The teachers at school, also impart education, and earn their livinghood. So does Eckahrt Tolle. But I am not talking of these types of teachers, nor philosphers, yogis, gurus, babeys....

No, none of these, I am not at all refering to them, but to those, who are Gurmukhs, Bhagat Janas, Sant Janas, Guru Sahibans, they imaprt the gyan, the knowledge, of Wahiguru Akal Purukh = Gurmat. And about the means to reach and merge in Him, with the aid of Naam Simran/Shabad Guru, without any fees or charges. That is it.

The Bani says: Sadh Sangat othey janeeye, jithe Iko Naam vakhaaniye.

For me, Bhagat Nam Dev, was a being of highest order, who was one with Wahiguru. Rather I would also say, Wahiguru comes and abide in people of this spiritual heights.

Have we not heard:
Prabh Jee baseh, Sadh kee rasna. Prabhe Jee baseh, Sadh Ke hirdey. Nanak, Sadh, Prabh, bhed na paee.

You see brother, once one merges in Wahiguru, one has no desires nor own will, everything is per His will. He works through them.

They do not perform miracles in order to attract masses. So is with Kabir Sahib, or Bhagat Ravi Das.... They were all one with Him.

So if miracles happened within their life span, in my opinion, it was such the hukum of Akal Purukh. We are nobody to question it.

Different thing is, like when avatrs of gods, like Shiva, Krishna, Ram and alike come to earth, they display supernatural powers and weapons.

But their is a main difference between them avatars, and Gurmukhs, Sadh Janas, Bhagat Janas..... While the former ones come to keep the souls entagled here in creation, none of them talk or impart teachings, on Nam of Wahiguru Akal Purukh/ Satnam.

The real Gurmukhs, Bhagats Janas, their main purpose is to awaken us from this mayavee creation, and attach our soul consciousness with the only one eternal reality, Satpurukh, with the jugtee of Naam Simran.

I am sure, you maybe thinking or anyone else, how to know who or which is a genuine Bhagat or Gurmukh/ Brahamgyani.... well, that is all in Wahiguru´s hands.

We can never ever recognize them, though thy may live in our same town or village, or in the same house even, under the same roof, they can even be our father or brother .... if it is not written on our forehead/ destiny, we will never accept or acknowledge them..

What happened with Guru Nanak´s sons? They took Him as mad, when He was the embodiment of Wahiguru Himself...

What happened with, Prithi Chand? He was born in a Guru Ghar, he had one Guru Sahiban, like Sree Guru Ram Das Maharaj, as a father, and yet another one as brother, like Sachay Patshah Guru Arjun Dev Maharaj.

He had their darshan daily, since his very childhood, but then too, did he become free of his eveil tendencies?
Then too, I would say, it was not his fault at all ... No one can go against His hukum.

As the Bani says: to some He pulls towards Himself, to others He leaves them here ... He is Beant, nobody can ask Him why? And that does make Him unjust, as some may think.


So brother Bhagat Jee, it is all His hukum. Wahiguru, out of His love for His bhagats, though they are one with Him, is eveready to do as per their wishes. Though, once again, they have no wishes of their own, but only those, which pleases Him.

The relation and the game of love played between Wahiguru, and His Bhagats, His Sant Janas .... is only known to them, we small people, can never ever understand them....

Waheguru Waheguru Waheguru Jee

Another aspect is the outright luloofying of Amritdhari Sikh men.

Go just to see what goes on in the world. Tomorrow your daughter or son might ask you if they can go: at least you'll have a true picture of what goes on.

It's this locking yourself out from the real world that creates Sikhs who are totally clueless.

Then you wonder why so many Sikh girls and boys from 'respectable' families are running around doing all kinds of gundh undercover whilst their parents are oblivious...

If you are able to go to public recreation swimming pool or hot tubs lets say.... and there are plenty of bikini wearing goriyan and remembering that for them it is the normal and appropriate wear for that environment...... then can you go about and use the facilities without even one single look or kaam thought coming in your mind ?

If you can't then you aren't strong enough.... you need to practice.... avoiding the hot tub or pool is not the answer is it ?

Guru is more concerned about sikh intentions than just going to external places. Remember story from soraj parkash of sikhs going to mela: This is ithasik sakhi- In Sri guru gobind singh ji darbar there were two group of sikhs wanted to go to mela but one can go..one had to do seva of guru maharaj ..sri guru gobind singh ji sent one group of people to test and others were not too happy. So after themela group came back..both groups were called in guru maharaj darbar..the group that went to mela were addressed- o sikhs you guys are great, during your time spent in mela your mind was attached to my lotus feet, you were thinking about me , you guys were bairaagi you guys were gurmukh maya vich udasi now guru maharaj addressed to the group which was in hazaar nazaar in sri guru gobind singh ji hazoori doing seva, guru maharaj said even though you were physically present in guru maharaj darbar try to do seva physically, your mind was wandering in mela, have all sort of thoughts things in mela...in this way guru maharaj gave updesh to both groups.

thanks for the reply Satkirin,

Always a pleasure to read your posts...

some quick questions when you get a moment.

you said "The direct experience with God comes from the realization that you yourself are formless... that everything is ONE, everything is the same one universal field of consciousness... therefore, the DOER in all of us is one and the same" " It's not a direct experience... but more the knowledge that the subtle bodies are just more vehicles"

In all of your OBE's and Astral Travelling...have you experienced that formlessness? and therefore direct experience of GOD/your higher self? No...as you said it is NOT a direct experience but just helps in knowledge...creating a deeper theory into what might lie ahead...we still don;t know what lies ahead..but it gives us a small amount of insight...

So Astral travel plays a part...but not to the extent that Bhagat ji is stating...that one can have direct experience of God there...

you also said "You can experience this when you go higher (just look up a map to the planes of existence, the higher you go, the more detached and less 'personal' you become... until in the highest of realms, you actually experience ONEness."

So in reality you have stated yourself that you cannot experience formless reality (god/higher self) in the Astral realm...Astral realm is only a part of the journey ahead...

and through your OBE's and astral travelling...how do you intend to get to these higher realms where you will become even more subtle until finally you dip into the ultimate reality, your higher self...and the formless forever existing God Consciousness?

Are there road signs in the Astral Realm? where to go? how will you get there? and why have you not got there already?

so as Gurbani says, your faith, dyaan, attention, focus must be on the Shabad...on Naam Simran...on your interanal Guru / Guide...as the Shabad is the ONLY thing that can take you beyond physical, Astral, Causal, and whtever else there may be...because it comes from the SOURCE...it already knows the way home.

So for all the excitement and possibility of OBE's and Astral travelling...we cannot through our own efforts wandering in these realms find our way to the SOURCE by ourselves...only GURU can take us there.

And this is the reason why gurbani keeps things very clear and concise...surrender Ego to Waheguru, and put our minds on the Shabad via Naam Simran which will be our Sat Nav. that should in my opinion be our only aim and effort...to put our arm out and surrender in the hope Guru Ji (shabad) comes and pulls us up...

wandering in the Astral Realm without our Guru/Guide will not get us any closer to Waheguru...in Fact we are more likely to get lost just like in this world without Guru/Guide because we are still influenced by the 5 thieves there also

I can share my grandfathers out of body experience here..suddenly when meditating and japping he started hearing a loud noise like wind or helicopters sound..then he could felt as if something is pulling him up in air..he got scared and opened his eyes and what he saw was his body down at bed sitting in a meditative pose..and after that he just felt like he was pulled up at a fast speeed when he was a experiencing a kind of tunnel sensstion and then he saw a small white light expanding and coming near towards him.and then he totally entered into the light and he could feel as if he became that vast expansive white light all over..few minutes and suddenly felt a falling like sensation and bhumm..he was back into the body.. he opened his eyes and he could see his dark room (lights closed) Full of light..this light started fading after a minute and everything got normal..he often says that this cant be dream..he could feel the whole of that experience very real and he still remembers evry bit of it

No, that's fine bro.
I think that you should do it at whatever speed or rate that you feel settled in.... I remember that for a very long time, I used to find it easier to start off at a certain continuous rate.. and then later I too would slow down as surti went more inwards... and the breathing would also get very shallow.

Remember that these techniques are just tools for this game of our mind... the object is to try and still it whilst keeping it's focus on waheguru and waheguru only.......So in my opinion, I don't think it really matters which way you do it as long as you can catch that mind from running in 10 directions and point it towards Akaal Purakh.


Oh yeah... another thing is that don't get in too much thought about trying to stop your thoughts either !!...(what??)
You see, we can end up just keeping our focus on trying to stop thoughts and then find that the mind is getting even busier by trying to catch and halt these very thoughts !!
I used to find that I often did this and would end up getting frustrated instead.

I remember that on here somewhere our bro Bhagat ji advising that you should become the ''observer'' instead... and just sit and observe the thoughts one by one but don't larch onto them. So, I took his advice and started this approach instead of trying to hammer down every thought that kept arising........ and in time my mind adapted and it became easier !! ...thanks Bhagat !

Awesome. One of the most complete posts I have come through....

Congrats brother Lucky, keep up the high spirits....

Sat Sree Akal.

I think the easiest way that I came across gurmukh and manmukh being explained was........
GUR-MUKH= Gurus-Mouth(mukh)
So what is uttered and what comes from guru's mouth ?........simply the TRUTH....all Sat..in it's purity.
When someone is Gur-Mukh, then they are living,breathing,following and in full conduct with the words that come from the Guru's Mukh.
In contrast, when someone is MAN-MUKH= Mann's Mouth......... then they are following and living in conduct with what their MANN(Mind) tells them...Man-mukh follows instructions from Mukh(mouth) of the Mann.
And this Mann is hugely influenced by maya and encased in the strangle-hold of Kaal.
Getting out of kaal's desh, then you are within A-kaal,...Akaal purakhs bondaries.....therefore, gone from Man-mukh to Gur-mukh.
Biq question is.... Is it Mann vs Guru or is the Mann bad...some people will ask ?
No, mann is not bad but it's LOST in maya... that's the problem....Mann has forgotten it's source, whereas Guru comes as pure, clean and and as truthful existence from this source.
To add, we continually add more and more dirt on our Mann on a daily basis. The precious jewel or jyot is still there gleaming in it's purity but we have put layer upon layer of dirt on top it.
That's why gurbani says 'Mann tu jyot saroop hai, apna mool paichan''...oh mind, you are the embodiment of jyot, recognize your own source and origin...
This means that we have to work to recognize our own source of the mind.....find that origin... that place is the home...the home of sach-khand, waheguru's darbar,....the nijh mahal..

Lucky you explained it very well!

I'd add that a Gur-Mukh is themselves Guru's mouth. When you connect to Akal Purakh then you become the Guru, and whatever you say in that moment comes out of the Guru's mouth.

I think the easiest way that I came across gurmukh and manmukh being explained was........
GUR-MUKH= Gurus-Mouth(mukh)
So what is uttered and what comes from guru's mouth ?........simply the TRUTH....all Sat..in it's purity.
When someone is Gur-Mukh, then they are living,breathing,following and in full conduct with the words that come from the Guru's Mukh.
In contrast, when someone is MAN-MUKH= Mann's Mouth......... then they are following and living in conduct with what their MANN(Mind) tells them...Man-mukh follows instructions from Mukh(mouth) of the Mann.
And this Mann is hugely influenced by maya and encased in the strangle-hold of Kaal.
Getting out of kaal's desh, then you are within A-kaal,...Akaal purakhs bondaries.....therefore, gone from Man-mukh to Gur-mukh.
Biq question is.... Is it Mann vs Guru or is the Mann bad...some people will ask ?
No, mann is not bad but it's LOST in maya... that's the problem....Mann has forgotten it's source, whereas Guru comes as pure, clean and and as truthful existence from this source.
To add, we continually add more and more dirt on our Mann on a daily basis. The precious jewel or jyot is still there gleaming in it's purity but we have put layer upon layer of dirt on top it.
That's why gurbani says 'Mann tu jyot saroop hai, apna mool paichan''...oh mind, you are the embodiment of jyot, recognize your own source and origin...
This means that we have to work to recognize our own source of the mind.....find that origin... that place is the home...the home of sach-khand, waheguru's darbar,....the nijh mahal..

I think the easiest way that I came across gurmukh and manmukh being explained was........
GUR-MUKH= Gurus-Mouth(mukh)
So what is uttered and what comes from guru's mouth ?........simply the TRUTH....all Sat..in it's purity.
When someone is Gur-Mukh, then they are living,breathing,following and in full conduct with the words that come from the Guru's Mukh.
In contrast, when someone is MAN-MUKH= Mann's Mouth......... then they are following and living in conduct with what their MANN(Mind) tells them...Man-mukh follows instructions from Mukh(mouth) of the Mann.
And this Mann is hugely influenced by maya and encased in the strangle-hold of Kaal.
Getting out of kaal's desh, then you are within A-kaal,...Akaal purakhs bondaries.....therefore, gone from Man-mukh to Gur-mukh.
Biq question is.... Is it Mann vs Guru or is the Mann bad...some people will ask ?
No, mann is not bad but it's LOST in maya... that's the problem....Mann has forgotten it's source, whereas Guru comes as pure, clean and and as truthful existence from this source.
To add, we continually add more and more dirt on our Mann on a daily basis. The precious jewel or jyot is still there gleaming in it's purity but we have put layer upon layer of dirt on top it.
That's why gurbani says 'Mann tu jyot saroop hai, apna mool paichan''...oh mind, you are the embodiment of jyot, recognize your own source and origin...
This means that we have to work to recognize our own source of the mind.....find that origin... that place is the home...the home of sach-khand, waheguru's darbar,....the nijh mahal..

Harsharan ji's post describes the answer quite well.
Let me also add that ALL the sounds and visions even, are part of the illusion...you are still in maya. it's stll trai-gun.
This doesn't mean that the naad you may be hearing and feeling is false, because this naad is still coming from that same source of sach-khand.....however, you are still wrapped in the illusion and the shabad is not fully manifest as the sehaj dhun in sach khand.

You will know when it's sehaj dhun or pure anhad bani because it will be pure para-bani coming drenched in amrit when waheguru reveals the Nijh ghar/sach-khand to you. At this stage you will see/feel/become with the Brahm jyot.....and ONLY then will you yourself be able to confirm that it is the purest, truest Anhad Bani you are hearing.


The sounds we can hear at early stages of different instruments..etc.. are all paon de shabad and related to the air/pavan. They change as you progress and so does the naad.
Initially the naad is intermittent but then gets clearer and more intense until it becomes 24hr.

In this part of the journey I think that it varies vastly for each and every one of us and according to our own gunas.
AT the same time you will get 'downloads' of knowledge, gyaan and understanding about 'Yourself''...and according to your own gunas.

We will often question to ourselves if the naad or sounds are genuine and true anhad. ... the answer is quite simple because if we are questioning, then we must surely be still be wrapped in the illusion more than being drenched in amrit rus/naam
When we experience the -brahm jyot- amrit- prakash,- anhad in it's purest and highest form in sachkhand..... only then, will you have no doubts and be able to confirm to your self. I'm sure you won't be questioning or doubting in any way.

Gurbani talks about these different levels of illusion including Gandarve Nagri, Mrig trishna, Maya Jaal...which is all part of kaal to stop and divert you. This occurs ALL the way up to the doorstep of waheguru's sacha mahal. And only until HE opens it and you get prakash are you out of kaal's boundary.

I know there are so many questions.
My easiest piece of advice would be to start doing regular simran with waheguru jap.
Ideally most of us that speak on here have started with the saas graas and saas saas jugtees(techniques)
It really doesn't matter what technique you use as long as you get to that internal discipline of steadying your mind(from jumping to thoughts) and japping internally with the mind.

Eventually;-(if you already haven't)..you will begin to fall in love with the waheguru gurmantar.
Whilst doing this it is important to be listening, listening and listening...to just listen to yourself inside doing the jap.
It is when you start listening to your sukham(subtle) self whilst doing jap...that waheguru begins to manifest within.