SAadmin Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 >>> http://surajprakashgranth.blogspot.com/ <<<< This singh is doing amazing seva, his blog gets updated every week, so far he was able to translate 11 chapters, lets all promote his very hard work. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 is there any controversy over Suraj Prakash Granth? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted December 17, 2006 Report Share Posted December 17, 2006 quite alot of controvosy in certain parts. but lets not get into that now and be happy with the great seva being done 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 quite indeed...but i would also like to know what parts that are controversial ? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 amardeep - there are plenty, however I'm sure you'll find that this fine chap will be making sure that those parts are adequately glossed over in his translation using the 'touchstone of Gurbani'. In summary, the usual controversial items that crop up in all texts from the so-called 'Sanatan Sikh era', i.e. Bhang, Sharab, Devi Pooja, etc etc...however there are many other issues which are conveniently overlooked in most of these Granths by "scholars", "sampradhas" and "jathas" when its suits their own particular outlook...but that is another discussion for another time... 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 What does suraj parkash actually mean.. coz im thinking its something like.. sun emergance(existance-light-something) Niranjana,, there is nothing controversial about bhang... its green and natural.. like tea.. i wonder if bhangra is linked to bhang.. bhangram ? Ram on bhang.. Bhang on ram.. ? if you on bhang you become ram ? who knows... happy reading.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freed Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Dynamic ji - I know you're only messing in your trademark style - which I love - but you've hit on a very interesting point - is 'Bhangra' derived from Bhang? There are loads of theories which claim that bhangra is the dance of Lord Siva - the damru (drum) and the fact Shiv Ji is known as the Natraja - supreme dancer and the Shiv Tandav pose - arms raised and stood on one leg - the 'Classic' Bhangra pose - all this coupled with the use of bhang - the users of bhang being called bhaangrhris or bhangrachis are all given as evidence of Bhang being the root of Bhangra. There is one theory - it could just be modern Indian revisionism - which takes the phonology and etymology route - ( isn't that Javanmard's area of expertise - perhaps he could comment ?) This theory claims the root of Bhangra is 'Bagha' - derived from 'Bagh' - tiger or panther -- as in the 'bagh nakha' weapon . Bagha is a form of dance from West Punjab - where the dancers thump the ground with their feet - imitating the movements of a tiger. In modern Bhangra there is move called the 'bagha' - jumping like a tiger. The theory states that the word 'bagha' got changed from it's original 'Lehnda' dialect into 'Bhangra' by 'Majha' dialect speakers - a process known as 'intrusion' - anyone who knows Pakistani punjabi speakers will know their dialect is slightly different - as is that from Malwa , Doaba and 'Kandi' Punjab - One of the major reasons for the so called 'Bhapa'(from west punjab) vs east Punjabi rivalry can be said to be because of the dialect difference. Anyway to cut a long story short - which theory do you think is most convincing ? - I like the idea of 'Bagha' - because it conjures up images of primeval dancers imitating animals around a fire - but hey thats just me !!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 does the suraj prakash granth not also say that Ragmaala is NOT gurbani? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 amardeep - no it does not categorically state that Ragmala is not Gurbani. This is what anti-ragmala propaganda lovers cite as yet another feather in their cap, however if they bothered to read what Bhai Sahib Kavi Santokh Ji has written, it is more to the effect that "I don't know weather this writing is the work of our Gurus or someone else" which is quite different to "this is not part of the Guru Granth Sahib" as the Bhasauria inspired anti-Ragmala supporters would have us believe. Sooraj Prakash is a beautiful text, a Maha-Granth, and one which regardless of the views of the Kavi is a gem in Sikh literature. Dynamic Banda - very good, just like Bhangra comes from Shiva, so too do Jatts from his Jatta (locks) which perhaps ties in with a lot of things we can discuss on all three subjects, but perhaps elsewhere...although I guess this assertion explains why Jatts are indeed in a class all by themselves... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest SAdmin Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 Suraj Prakash is very hard work of Kavi Ji. It is one of the master pieces... 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kam1825 Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 to read the sooraj prakash granth please check out www.ik13.com baba baljinder singh ji rara sahib has done viakhiya of it. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
amardeep Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 if a great scholar of Sikhi does not know whether if it is Gurbani or not, it must mean that he himself doubted it.. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gsingh00 Posted December 18, 2006 Report Share Posted December 18, 2006 who cares, read the rest of sooraj prakash, an enjoy it...its wickked or listen to the katha...there is a bunch done by gyani takhur singh on the internet (Nanak Prakash and also a bunch of Guru Gobind Singh Jee), as well as gyani jangbir singh (amazing katha about the jangs against paharhee rajae), and also some good ones done by baba hari singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Sooraj Parkash is pre-1900's and is therefore created by the british to divide the Sikhs who were absolutely innocent and helpless until the tyar-bar-tyar chardi-kala sarab-shaktimaan Sri-108 Gursikhs beamed down from planet Khalistorium to instill 'Gurmat' into the depleted field of Sikhi and used their laser guns to first support the British only because it was part of their master plan and they were awaiting the mothership to arrive. All this is fact and is written in some granth my friend's uncle's brother's father's mother's sister has passed down in her family for millions of years but was just discovered yesterday. Peace. Fateh Singh 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vijaydeep Singh Posted December 19, 2006 Report Share Posted December 19, 2006 Gurfateh Well Bhai Amardeep Singh Ji, He writes that Raagmala is not created by Guru and a Sikh later included it to let lines of Ragas be understod correctly. But from his work it is clear that copy of this First Beerh was made After word by Bhai Bannu.From his work it is clear that Guru did not object the inclusion of Ragamal .Rather he calls that Sikh as Prabeen or qaulified. Das only wrote what he read.Resst Sangat has to deicde.Das himself has studied and found that work of Alam is much more after First copy of Darbar Sahib and is differant from our Raagmala. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 fateh singh.. could i get a copy of the granth your friends uncles brother fathers mothers sisters has passed down.. thank you... plus are those laser guns still available to buy? chatar singh jeevan singh? get back to me asap.. thanks. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted December 20, 2006 Report Share Posted December 20, 2006 amardeep wrote: "if a great scholar of Sikhi does not know whether if it is Gurbani or not, it must mean that he himself doubted it.. " If you don't know something, that does automatically mean you doubt its existence? I don't know rocket science, but that doesn't mean I doubt rockets?!! Also whilst Kavi Santokh Singh was a great scholar and poet that doesn't preclude him having his questions, this is what most good essays do - present a balanced side of the argument, Kavi Ji has simply indicated that having spoken to various people he doesn't know the final answer given at this time, certain agendas were on the go and the Ragmala controversy had begun. Fateh Singh - fantastic, absolutely fantastic!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fatehsingh Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 You're a day late. She was ran out of town by a mob of angry japanese girly-men as of last night. There's also rumors that she dropped it in the toilet. Controversies! Controversies! Now we're all doomed and will never reach Sachkhandorium which is the planet next to Khalistorium! As for the laserguns, the Greeks took them away. There are lawsuits pending to get them back though. You can also file a petition on the internet by using your unverifiable, fabricated name. It will really help the cause! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Niranjana Posted December 21, 2006 Report Share Posted December 21, 2006 "You can also file a petition on the internet by using your unverifiable, fabricated name. It will really help the cause!" - keep it coming, this is great!!! LOL!!! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dynamic_Banda Posted December 22, 2006 Report Share Posted December 22, 2006 I detect a hint of sarcasm are u trying to say these laser guns and granth isn't true. I won't believe u, I have faith the guns will return and the granth will return too just got to keep faith ! ps. down the toilet ! its a conspiracy by Rss and the indian government ! 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vinegar Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 why is this blog 'invitation only' 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaheediyan Posted May 3, 2007 Report Share Posted May 3, 2007 Not sure, please let me know if you find out how to get an invitation!! Apparently it was open to all previously. 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dalsingh101 Posted December 2, 2009 Report Share Posted December 2, 2009 I know this is a few years late, but did anyone get access to this translation? Is it still about? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted June 10, 2015 Report Share Posted June 10, 2015 How do i get invitation from http://surajprakashgranth.blogspot.com/ ...can anyone hook me up? 0 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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