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Japji Sahib Katha 1 countined
Guru Ji added the numeral 1 to show there is no duality. There is only 1 God. Oankar can be split into two separate syllables when trying to find the meaning. The first part is Aum and the second is Kar. Aum can be split into 3 different letters which are A,U and M. The three letters represent the word Akar,Ukar and Makar. The word Akar represents Brhama. Ukar represents Vishnu and Makar represents you gussed it Shiva. According to Hinduism the three demi gods are considered most sacred and are responsible for the welfare of creation. Brhama the creator. Vishnu the provider or sustainer and Shiva the destroyer. This shows that Aum represents the trinity. Kar represents the formless lord whom is known as Vahguru. Kar is placed on top of Aum to show they gain there powers form Vahguru.
Akar, Ukar, Makar and the Ardhbind (Kar), when all four come together  and form one then understand this to be Oankar (Adhyatam Ramayan)
The Sidhs hearing this asked why add the numeral 1 it is not in the Vedas. So why do this.
Guru ji said "Our faith is for everyon and all of humanity. The Mantra Aum in the Vedas is knly for the Brahmin social class of people as they can both listen and recite it. The social class of Kshatris can listen to Aum but cannot recite. The social classes of Shudras and Vais cannot listen to or recite  the mantra. All of the women from all four of the social clasdes cannot listen to or recite the mantra of Aum. By placing the numeral one in front of the mantra, Oankar we show that God has no duality and Ik Oankar can be read and recited by anyone from any background. Those people who say Ik Oankar will be saved.
For this reason, we have created this mantra for all of the people in the world. Just as a cloud showers all the people with rain, in the same way God is showering all of the people of the world with grace and love. Regardless of race, gender, colour, creed, social class etc. Unlike the Aum mantra everyone has the right to recit this Ik Oankar.
To be countined...

I think historical dates are actually being changed. The reason for this is that nanakshahi doesn't just state that a particular date is in rememberance of a particular event, it actually lists such events as the anniversary dates, implying that the event happened exactly X years ago.

Also, aren't there Shabds which discuss the months used in Bikrami system?

The whole idea to switch to nanakshahi seems like rajneeti to me, an attempt to create further division within the panth.

Shaheediyan - chnaging historical dates can (in the future) lead to doubt as to whether an event actually happened or not.

Also, it was inevitable that some branches of the Panth would carry on using the Bikrami calander - leading to further divisions in the community.

Surely Shaheediyan i could make every single of those arguments against raag kirtan;
- most people don't get any extra spiritual benefit from it
- most of global music doesn't have srutis.
- the focus of gurbani is our own condition not the raag
- it would only be preserving a tradition and nothing more
- we should all embrace synths and beat boxs

For me i think you've missed the point...which is the amazingly petty motivation behind changing the calander - 'we don't want anything to do with hindus, lets not rely on them'. the calendar should be should be opposed on this reason alone. Are with these types or against them? Whatever next? I hear that some demon brahmin originally came up with the word 'atma' and 'mukti' so lets get to work and change those traditions too.

Japji Sahib Katha 1 countined
Guru Ji added the numeral 1 to show there is no duality. There is only 1 God. Oankar can be split into two separate syllables when trying to find the meaning. The first part is Aum and the second is Kar. Aum can be split into 3 different letters which are A,U and M. The three letters represent the word Akar,Ukar and Makar. The word Akar represents Brhama. Ukar represents Vishnu and Makar represents you gussed it Shiva. According to Hinduism the three demi gods are considered most sacred and are responsible for the welfare of creation. Brhama the creator. Vishnu the provider or sustainer and Shiva the destroyer. This shows that Aum represents the trinity. Kar represents the formless lord whom is known as Vahguru. Kar is placed on top of Aum to show they gain there powers form Vahguru.
Akar, Ukar, Makar and the Ardhbind (Kar), when all four come together  and form one then understand this to be Oankar (Adhyatam Ramayan)
The Sidhs hearing this asked why add the numeral 1 it is not in the Vedas. So why do this.
Guru ji said "Our faith is for everyon and all of humanity. The Mantra Aum in the Vedas is knly for the Brahmin social class of people as they can both listen and recite it. The social class of Kshatris can listen to Aum but cannot recite. The social classes of Shudras and Vais cannot listen to or recite  the mantra. All of the women from all four of the social clasdes cannot listen to or recite the mantra of Aum. By placing the numeral one in front of the mantra, Oankar we show that God has no duality and Ik Oankar can be read and recited by anyone from any background. Those people who say Ik Oankar will be saved.
For this reason, we have created this mantra for all of the people in the world. Just as a cloud showers all the people with rain, in the same way God is showering all of the people of the world with grace and love. Regardless of race, gender, colour, creed, social class etc. Unlike the Aum mantra everyone has the right to recit this Ik Oankar.
To be countined...

Great seva veer ji.

Absolutely ! and this is a evolving process, it will never stop everyone has a right to think in their own way and define and redefine Gurbani, as long as one does not harm any human being or play with emotions .

Singh saab, there is historical evidence available to suggest that Sri Satguru jee did bless sampradas and give Gaddis to Gurmukhs (spiritually elevated humans).
Sampradas are part of the Khalsa Panth. Their aim is the same - union with the Shabad Guru.
 
Bhul chuk maaf

Why would these so called samprada consider women lower than men and give them less rights in Sikhi? Especially when Gurbani says nothing about limiting women. The so called puratan rehetnamas all put women down basically telling them to shut up, consider husbands as God and do what their told. Also they are told they can't do most seva, are seen as dirty because of periods. Our Gurus taught none of that so if these groups were started BY our Guru why would they deviate so much from Guru teachings and treat women as so low? This I am against. And this makes me realize they could not be started from our Guru. 

http://www.damdamitaksaal.org/history/leaders

i don't know if this helps clear up confusion...

first off...i'm not sure if guru ji really made all these different orders...but at the same time i wouldnt' be surprised if he did...either way...the reality is that they DO exist..
and instead of complaining about them and saying how we should all be one....i think we should welcome all of them and take what we can from them...
the analogy i like to think about is...a doctor giving medicine to patients...he's not going to give the same medicine to all patients that have a headache...he has to look at the individual cases and act accordingly...likewise...all these different sampradas and jathas do things slightly differently but with the same goal in mind...and i guess you just follow what works for you...but in the end..it's the same thing...

the other analogy i think of is...that we all live in a huge house of Guru Nanak...BUT...in this house there is more than one room... and all these jathas and sampradas are like the rooms of the house....have some autonomy but ultimately responsible and answer to the owner of the house...

i don't know if this helps you...i might be waaaaaaaaaay off base...but this is just what works for me to keep it all straight...

Gurfateh quick thing

I have just got a load of recordings of Sant Jagjit Singh Ji which i intend to clean and put up.

The audio will be the following

Adhyatam Parkash Viakhiya
Barah Maha
Brahmchari Katha
Brahmchari & Pati Patni Dharam
Buddhism Root Bani - Dham pad
Dajistarr
Mind, Body & Soul - (Various lectures on Vedant)
Vedant Darshan
Vichar Sagar

Hope to start some more granths soon as well

YOU IDIOT. I MADE A BIG MISTAKE READING THIS COMMENT. 
SANT KE NINDIAY ... GHOR GHOR APRAADH. 
THOSE WHO DO NINDIYA OF SANTS ... GOTO NARAK ! 

1 To the first one yes as I know Samt Jarnail Singh was married and has kids.
2 Yes 
And 3 yes
 

LOL....................

Try it and see, you should be able to feel it when you begin. 
Sitting in lotus pose is good, or with your back leaning on the wall for support with your legs crossed or out. You can also start off sitting then lie down, go deep into it and you’ll knock out for the night, or you can do it lying down, however you’re comfortable. You can adjust your legs as needed while you’re in the samadhi, you’ll just go back into it after. 
You may get to a stage where you can’t feel your body, not the usual physical numbness, more of a spiritual one, in that case just relax and keep going but if you’re in discomfort then adjust yourself. 
Relax, listen to the ringing sound (Anhad Naad), let go and let the samadhi take you, with no expectation of how it should look or even feel. It happens as it’s deserved ie as God wills it. You can start with 30 mins, long sessions are generally better at the start but if you want to do 30 mins it’s cool.

Just want to add all I wrote was from a translation of katha and steeks by Giani Kamalpreet Singh Ji who also added vidya from other sants too. 
Here is the bibliography
 

Just want to add all I wrote was from a translation of katha and steeks by Giani Kamalpreet Singh Ji who also added vidya from other sants too. 
Here is the bibliography
 

It is on GurmutVeechar.com This is not just from Katha but also Steeks by Sant ji which were translated into English by Giani Kamalpreet Singh Ji 
 

It is on GurmutVeechar.com This is not just from Katha but also Steeks by Sant ji which were translated into English by Giani Kamalpreet Singh Ji 
 

Do you have any idea who Sant Harnam Singh Ji is? 

Their Jeevan?

Do you know who the author is? Sant Baba Seva Singh Ji?

Not telling you not to question. But don't question blindly...
 

@Arsh1469thanks veer ji for posting as its a big effort how you made all of these posts and especially since it is from Baba Gurbachan Singh Ji Katha.

Part 4 
Creation of Japji Sahib
One day while Guru Nanak Dev Ji was at Kartarpur Bhai Lehnna Ji who would be Guru Angad. Mahraj did seva of the sangat. They asked him four questions. Those were
1. What path does your religion take
2. What is the mantra you use for the name of God
3. What is your Mool Mantar
4. What is your Mala Mantra
To the first one Mahraj said there faith focused on the worship of Vahguru.
To the second he said we use the name Vahguru.
(Fun fact Maha Sant and Sarbloh Bani says that Vava comes from Brahma who created the Mantar of Vasnudev. Haha from Manu Raja (Son of Brahma) He gave the Mantar of HarHar. Gaga from Rishi Vyas who gave the mantar of Govind and lastly Rara from Shankaracharya who gave the mantar of Ram. Then Guru Nanak came and gave the ultimate Vahguru Mantar)
Bhai Lehna did not know the answer to 3 and 4 so he asked Guru Nanak. To 3 Guru Ji says that the roots of the Mool Mantar are from Vahguru.
And finally Guru Ji says our Mala Mantra is Japji Sahib which is mostaly conversations with the holy men. (Sidhs)
Katha
Basic Translation
Ik = One with no equals Oankar = Gives Gian(Knowledge)
There is one Vahgir who Gives Gian and no one is even near the leval of Vahguru
Sat = indestructible
God cannot be destroyed 
Nam = well known 
The name of God is well known.
Karta = Creator of all
God created everything including the universe
Purkh = complete
God is complete 
Nirbhou = no fear
God is fearless
Nirvair = No enmity
God is without enmity
Akal = immortal 
God does not fall into death
Murat = form
The form of God is immortal 
Ajuni = exempt from transmigration 
God is exempt from transmigration
Sai Bhan = Self enlightened
God is self enlightened
Gur = Perceptive and conscious
God is the form of perceptive and conscious being
Parsad = Supreme Bliss
God is the form of Supreme bliss
Jap = referring to the name of the path
Originally called Jap Sahib or Jap Nisan
Aad = Primal beginning Sach = truth
God was true at the start before creation
Jugad =  Numerous ages Sach  = Truth
God has been true through the 4 jugs and the jugs before
Hai bhi = still is Sach = Truth
God is still true right now
Nanak = Guru Nanak says Hosi Bhi = in the future Sach = truth
Guru Nanak says God in the future will remain true and the form of truth
Deep definition 1
Guru Nanak on their travels to save the world from Kaljug went to Mount Sumer. Where he meet 84 Sidhs and there leader Gorakh Nath. The Sidhs asked Guru Ji what power brought him here.
Guru Nanak said "O, Sidhs. I have come here with the strength of the almighty lord who is known as Ik Oankar."
The Sidhs said "According to teh Vedas the name of God is Aum. Why have you used Ik Oankar."
Guru Nanak said Aum stands for the trinity. Each of whom represent attribute of Maya. Which are Passion, truth and darkness. They represent illusion. Due to this we have created Ik Oankar. The numral 1 to show there is one God who has no equals. We have wrriten this due to there being 63 different terms for Oankar which cause contoversy in Hinduism. There are 3 different forms of God givien each with the form of the trinity, which become nine. There a 7 different knowledgeable people who have each given nine forms. That makes the total 63. (Sorry if the above was confusing) 
They are
1. The first theory called the Hirangarb, which is created by Brahma. The names and forms of Oankar are Trimatra Rup Tribrahm Rup and Triakhar Rup (Tri for the trinity)
2. Kapal Muni says the names are Trigian Rup Trigun Rup Trikaran Rup
3. Aptar Muni says they are Trimukh Rup Tridevta Rup and Tripyarojan Rup
4. The order of Sanat Kumara are Trikal Rup Triling Rup and Trisangya Rup
5. Brahmnishant state the form are Tristhan Rup Tripad Rup and Tripragya Rup
6. The order of Shiva is Trai Avashta Rup Trai Bhog Rup and Trai Bhogata Rup
7. The order of Vaishnav's and Narad Muni is Triatama Rup Tri Subhav Rup and finalky  Tribyhu Rup.
This is why Guru Nanak put a Ik as all had three showing duality.
The Christians believe God in three forms Holy Sprit, The father and The son
Muslims belive God in two forms which are God and the Prophet.
To be countined...

Part 3 
Guru Nanak authenticity
1) Vedic Authenticity
There is much proof written in many scriptures predicting Guru Nanak
Examples are Gopal Tapni Upanishad, Bhagwat Purana Etc.
Gopal Tapni Upanishad says
I pay my salutations to the one God who is the form of supreme truth, supreme consciousness amd complete bliss. He is the one who rescues all from distress; he is understood by the Vednats and the Vedas. He is the supreme Guru and is the witness within the heart of everyone
Bhavishat Purana says
The Guru is Brhama, the Guru is Vishnu and the Guru is Shiv. God is the supreme Guru to all and gives all the same great teachings. I pay salutations to the Supreme Guru
(Brhama is believed to be 100 Brhama years old which means 311 TRILLION HUMAN YEARS 
OLD. He has 4 heada to represent the Vedas and the objects in his hands have meanings too like Vishnu. First a spoon which is used to pour butter in ceremonies. Second is a coconut or water vessel to remind a person that water is likethe ether that surrounds a persond during pregnancy. Thirdly is a Lotus flower to show he is forever mediating on the lord (My own interpretation is that the lotus flower is to show he resides bowing on Gods lotus feet) Finally is the Vedas)
Guru Nanak was also predicted by Rishi Ved Vyas who wrote 12 saloks in the 28 Adhyai Bhavishat Puran. The texts says on Adhyai 28
In the future when all Dharam is lost in the age of Kaljug. 33. Then there will be a requirement for one to protect those from the invaders. In the future the great Bedi clan will give rise to Guru Nanak. 34.
2) Lokik Authenticity
People from Guru Nanak's time saying he is the messenger of God. 
In almost every // Bhai Gurdas Ji says Guru Nanak is a messenger of God. Also in SGGS the Bhatts write of Guru Nanak being a messager of God. Also Brham Parkash by Pir Shamas says
Sri Guru Nanak gained peace. He contemplated on the words of God. I practiced it with convection. 47.
With so much evidence we 100% know Guru Nanak is true and bigger then a Puran avtar. But Guru Gobind Singh Ji still gives one more huge piece of evidence.
3) Savi Authenticity  
Words wrriten from the Gurus following Guru Nanak
Guru Ji then quoted Ang 53, 750 and 850
This evidence proves Guru Nanak is not a Devi Devta Guru Nanak is God.
Ram was the Avtar of Power. He is attributed to truth.
Krishna was the Avtar of passion and royalty. He married 16,108 Gopis and a large amount of India is related to him as he had 161,080 sons and 16,108 daughters. Totalling 177,188 children. 
(Fun fact the reason that Krishna married so many Gopis is because in their previous life they did ardas that they will be able to marry Vishnu)
Parasram was the avtar of darkness and evil.
They all possed one of the three main virtues.
Guru Nanak possesed them all. 
After this the sangat asked why did Guru Nanak come and why did he create Jap Ji sahib. 
Guru Nanak came in the the worst moments of Kaljug. God came his self as even Vishnu could not save the world from Kaljug.
Guru Ji then said there are four main corner stones of religion.
1) Raja Lok 
Thses are kings who uphold divine command. However in Kaljug they were all corrupt
The state was so bad kings started to destroy other religious temples and replace it with their religions. 
They were not Dharmic Kings they were tryants.
2) Tirath
Tirath means place of worship. And at these places the name of God and Dharam had disappeared. People who vist these places boast about it and increase their own ego.
3) Mahatama.
The true Sants were gone and the Sants were corrupt and fake making people worrship them.
4) Brahman
Brahmans were meant to uphold the words of Brahma but became corrupt. Brahmans now days just smoke and commit sins.
Due to these sins the earth transformed itself to the form of a cow and meet the Devta of mercy. They both went to see Brahma in order to gain assistance. Brahma said he can do nothing.
They went to Vishnu and he said
"I have come many times and will come again at the end of Kaljug. I am unable to help now as I am too weak. You must ask Akal for help."
All the Devi Devta representing the people came and made a plea for help.
God said "I have sent many people to preach the truth though they all fell to their ego. I will come in 10 forms. In 8 of the 10 forms I will use the metaphorical sword of holy word to destroy falsehood. In 2 I will use the literal sword."
Brahma asked where and to who will you be born.
God said he will be born in Talwandi to Baba Kalu Jia and Mata Tripta Ji. 
Then at full moon on 1469 CE Guru Nanak was Born.

Guru Nanak is Greater then a Puran avtar
Guru Gobind Singh Ji went on to explain the five attributes
1 Shakti
Ram showed his powers to his mother. When his mother went to pray to Devi he replaced the image with an image of himself. To show his powers.
Krishna too did this. Krishna pretended to eat dirt so when his mother forced him to spit it out she saw his mouth and saw the whole world. The entire universe.
Guru Nanak had a different miracle. At amrit vela all the devi devta came to worship Guru Mahraj. He was put on a throne like a Maharaja. He was given massages with sandalwood. They placed flowers around his neck. They said To Mahraj ji "O protector of meek you are the true king. You are Vahguru in a Sargun roop. You will save the world and humanity. You are the protector of Devi Devta."
At this point Mata Tripta awoke who was around her son. All the Devi Devta disappeared. She saw Guru Ji in Saffron and sandalwood all over him. The smell was overwhelming. She now lnew Guru Nanak was Vahguru. To pervent his mother from finding out he put maya in his moms mind. Then Guru Ji started to cry. Mata ji forgot everything that happened.
For this reason Guru Ji can't be called less then Ram and Krishna.
He is greater because he has more then the 16 powers and abilities.
Once a cobra gave shade to Guru Nanak while he was sleeping. Once a tree gave shade even though it broke logic as teh sun was in the opposite direction. Also Guru Nanak moved Kaaba. Guru Ji stopped a Rock. 
Other avtars used miracles to boost their popularity and ego Guru Nanak used them to guide people and save them. He never did miracles to boost his own ego.
He used them to destroy ego.
Krishna had 16 powers Guru Nanak had infinite.
2 Viakti
Guru Nanak is greater then all other avtars. Ram and Krishna cut their hair in their lives. Not even in his youth did Guru Ji even dream of cutting hair. When Ram meet some royal maidens they tried to marry Ram but Ram said he will satisfy their needs in Dwapar. ( Fun Fact Satjug the Golden age is 1,728,000 years long Treta the silver age is 1,296,000 years long Dwapar the bronze age is 864,000 years long Kaljug the iron age is 432,000 years long. Numbers are from Adhyatam Parkash)
In Dwapar the maidens became Gopis and Krishna had sexual relations with many of them. 
Both Ram and Krishna could not eradicate Lust.
When Guru Nanak went to Sri Lanka the beautiful women tried to enchant Sri Guru Nanak Dev Ji. Guru Nanak destroyed their lust through Gurbani. The began to Jap Naam and became Gursikhs
The shabad Guru Nanak says is on ang 1187 of SGGS.
Guru Nanak did not fallen lust he destroyed it.
3 Pragya
Ram made Rishi Vashisht his vidya guru. He spent 64 days with him. He then spent 8 days with Rishi Vishwamitar. 
Krishna made Rishi Darbasha his vidya guru. He soent 8 days with him. He then spent 64 days with Rishi Sandipan.
For Guru Nanak the teachers did not teach him he taught them. Gur Nanak needed no Vidya Guru. He learned Shastar Vidya by himself and taught Baba Buddha Ji who would teach Guru Hargobind shastar vidya when the time was right.
4 Kartab
Ram lived 10,000 years. He only did miracles when he was in exile. Ram made a promise that no kid should die before his parents. A son of a Brhaman later died. He acused Ram of liying and having now power. Ram said the child died because of a low caste person meditating in the jungle. Ram beheaded the low caste person.
By accident Ram fought against his 2 kids his entire army including Ram was killed. Sita later brought him back to life. Still Ram gave his reign to his children due to his attachment.
Krishna after killing the Kans named his maternal grandfather king as he had attachment towards his family.
Guru Namak however spemt the firs 28 years of their life working then were brought to Sachkhand where he was given the Mool Mantar. He never did Ustat of anyone other the Vahguru. Guru Nanak rather then killing evil people enlightened them and saved them. Unlike avtars of Vishnu.
(Fun fact Vishnu has 4 arms which all have symbolic and metaphorical menaings. First a conch shell in the upper left hand. This represents Oangkar which led to the creation of life and of Vishnu. Second a spinning disc called a chakra. It is in the upper right hand and represents destroying a persons ignorance and giving Gian. Thirdly a mace in the lower left hand. This is to represent spiritual power and to uplift purity. Finally in the right bottem hand is a lotus flower. Thsi is to represent liberation and being attached to nothing)
He had no attachment to hsi children and didn't pass the Gurgaddi to them. He made people Sants regardless of Race, cast, gender etc.
During Guru Amardas Ji's life no one in Gobindwal died of anything.
Ram live 10,000 years Krishna lived 1,000 years. Both barely traveled. Guru Nanak in 70 years nearly traveled the entire old world (Old world being Europe, Asia and Africa. Som say Australia too) Guru Nanak did so much Parchar in 70 years and gave the mantar of Sachkhand (Mool Mantar)
Guru Nanak was like no other avtar
The samgat then asked for authenticity the Guru Ji said