das

Isn't this because we've tried to trap Sikhi in a box and not understood the real thing? Haven't we reduced Sikhi to grow hair and Amrit (sanskar)? or may be it's just the effect of Mind/Kaal because it is said in Bhagat Kabir's Anurag Sagar that whenever any Saint/Guru will come to earth for the betterment of mankind, then Kaal will try everything to derail that stream....
 

Isn't this because we've tried to trap Sikhi in a box and not understood the real thing? Haven't we reduced Sikhi to grow hair and Amrit (sanskar)? or may be it's just the effect of Mind/Kaal because it is said in Bhagat Kabir's Anurag Sagar that whenever any Saint/Guru will come to earth for the betterment of mankind, then Kaal will try everything to derail that stream....
 

​I guess their religious people are given too much flexiblity compared to ours. It really does not help when first thing our gyanis or parcharikhs say to grow hair, take amrit before even they talk about peace of mind, essence of sikhi, or even teach basic meditation too much segragation of monaie brothers by amritdharis.
I cite example how it wasn't like in puratan deras by citing mainstream example of our spiritual saint - sant isher singh ji rara sahib, sant jvala singh harkhowale, harkhowale branch of nirmale who used to give meditation techniques or spiritual discourses to seekers doing jaap of mool mantar/vichar-inquiry for year then take amrit..this helps remove conditioning help people taste sikhi on intimiate spiritual level after a year, people automatically drawn to grow hair take amrit instead of parcharikhs enforcing too grow hair, don't do this or that, too much rheotric, enforce amrit on people's throat. When you are presented too much rheotric not enough substance or experience people tend to put off by it all together.
 
 

​Once we get our khalistan how are we going to trade with other countries.  What would be the best way to defend our nation in case we are  invaded by pakistan from one side and india from the other?  Why can't the farmers of punjab sell their agricultural produce independently, instead of resorting to committing suicides? Why do they have six rivers in punjab instead of five? What will happen to hindus living in punjab, will they be happy to live under the sikh rule?  Let's never forget, India was always a hindu country.  Our Gurus never taught us to disobey the just laws of the country only the unjust ones.  We need to work together with others to be successful and not resort to violence.  India is corrupt through and through, starting from an embryo to coffin/cremation!  Shocking!  This is all genetically manufactured and passed on from one generation to the next.  In my view only 1/2 per cent of the total Indian population can be diagnosed as sants and mahapurkhs and the rest are all evils.
The need for our people to educate is truly dire.  Unless every single sikh infant, toddler, teenager, adult, man/woman/uncle/auntie/neighbor/cleaner/ receive proper education particularly designed for their evolution nothing is going to be achieved not now and not in 1000000 years to come. It is no good educating them within the framework of what the colonial masters left behind.  Their education system is utterly draconian and punjab needs to modernize and not westernize.  We don't have to follow the western 'model' of modernity.  Whose model did the west follow to achieve modernity?  Their countries were extremely backward at one point, weren't they?  Sikhs need to be educated to become world class debaters and thinkers and eloquent speakers and not always relying on their kirpans and talwaars. 
It is always easy to run away from our problems than to face them to find solutions.  If sikhs had been brave enough to face rather than flee as they were trained in times of sikh wars I have little doubt we would be in such a horrible situation like now.  There is no point in fantasizing over something which has already cost us 1984 and more. Our unpurtta has already cost us many many lives.
We need brains not bullshit to achieve our goals.
 
 

Gurfateh
See the following list - it has various Gutke, Janam Sakhis, Prem Sumarag Granth, medicine Granths, translations of hindu and Islamic writings etc.
http://www.vismaadnaad.org/manuscript.php

​Those two are not mutually exclusive.
I maybe lost but ​I am not the one misusing tuks from Guru Granth sahib without understanding.
 
1. Any action can have Moh as the fuel. This is on you to figure out which of your actions have Moh and which don't.
2. If you can't keep your Moh out of Ridhiyan Sidhiyan, then you probably can't keep your Moh out of other actions. Thus you need to work on your Moh.
3. Ridhiyan Sidhiyan cannot get rid of your Moh. You need to get rid of your Moh by connecting to God. Ridhiyan Sidhiyan are simply a manifestation of that connection.

ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਸਭੁ ਮੋਹੁ ਹੈ ਨਾਮੁ ਨ ਵਸੈ ਮਨਿ ਆਇ ॥
Ridhiyan Sidhiyan nal man vich naam nahi vasda. This is correct. It works the other way around. Naam man vich vasan nal ridhiyan sidhiyan mil jandiyan han.
ਹਰਿ ਹਾਰੁ ਕੰਠਿ ਜਿਨੀ ਪਹਿਰਿਆ ਗੁਰ ਚਰਣੀ ਚਿਤੁ ਲਾਇ ॥
ਤਿਨਾ ਪਿਛੈ ਰਿਧਿ ਸਿਧਿ ਫਿਰੈ ਓਨਾ ਤਿਲੁ ਨ ਤਮਾਇ ॥੪॥
Those who wear the necklace of Hari's name on their throat, meaning those who are connected to Hari, they are absorbed into their Guru's feet.
Ridhiyan Sidhiyan follow such people, who do not desire such things (meaning they only desire Hari).

Both Das and Satkirin are correct in what they are saying but there is probably a slight misunderstanding.
If I understood correctly, Das is talking about experiences and how they can affect our thinking and attitudes. To add to this... I should say that a whole lot of experiences for anyone on the spiritual path are there as diversions and can actually lead one AWAY from the Truth instead of towards it..yes, we shouldn't fool ourselves and it is all too easy. ......Noting, that riddi siddis are the most popular and usually first spiritual powers that can arise...and they can very easily lead one away from the divine truth instead of towards it.  Just look at clairvoyants, crystal bowl gypsies, some magicians..etc..
So, I totally comprehend what Das is saying, but also remember that gurmat insists that one should keep entire focus on shabad, no matter what distractions come along the way... These instructions are to prevent our own downfalls.
In sukhmani sahib, it clarifies that the gurmukh that is on the path gets the 'nishaanis' or ''insignias" of riddi sidd/occult powers, but he/she is ONLY to acknowledge them for development on not get fooled or trapped in them..... riddi siddi comes, acknowledge.....move on..sticking to shabad.
 
On the other hand, I wholeheartedly, also comprehend what Satkirin is saying.
I'm sure she is not being fooled or being led into opposite direction of truth......She is emphasizing her own thought process and her certainty that she believes and understands the universal consciousness and not about her experiences of verifying other realms or existence of eternal soul.
As well as her own thought process, I think she has the right ''feeling'' and attitudes that are necessary for gurmat Jeevan jach....., and I think I can understand her frequency........and guys, we have to remember that she is a gori that has come into a completely different culture and faith through completely her own choice and not via yoga or anything. ...Just for this sort of huge transformation, one has to be more than certain that it shall lead them towards the Truth.....Therefore, I very much doubt that she has fallen into spiritual trappings that are in opposite direction to Truth.
I feel she clearly understands that sikhi and doing 'sachey ki sift salah' is the manner to get to that sach (praising the truth to get to the truth)
 
 

​I'm posting this reply not to prove that you're not Spiritual, but just trying to show you the another aspect of what you call "I see God in everything and everyone". But please don't take it personally, its just somethings from personal experience.
"Seeing God in everything and everyone" is the second last stage on the Spiritual journey. At that stage one (I) cease to exist. One no longer tries to prove his/her point; One no longer tries to dump his/her thinking (point of view) on others. In other words, it is easier to say that "I see God in everything and everyone", but it is the practical stage. As long as you've certain like and/or dislikes or desires (even serving others) you're far from that stage and I'm sure that you too (like me) have strong likes/dislikes, I'm basing my this statement on your posts on this forum. So, please stop pretending and betraying yourself by thinking that you're seeing above the physical level. e.g Can you imagine that dead rotten Pig is laying in the street and you're very lovingly trying to eat it? You think beyond physical? Here my point is: It is the 'My version or point of view is correct' problem; sometimes its a good idea to think from another angle.
And don't take this rotten animal example to your heart and try things out; e.g there are some aghori sadhus who say that they do see God in everything and all opposites are illusion and therefore they perform some very wrong practices e.g eat disguising things including human flesh, feces. Their problem is the same that: They don't understand the real meaning but have started to act superficially. Again mind is at play.
Secondly, the experiences you're taking about since childhood are good, they are good as reward but at the same time they are NOT the real Spiritual experiences.........no pun intended but I don't want you to face the same problem many of us have faced. There are 2 aspects of this experiences:
1. They are good and should be treated as some reward but they in themselves are nothing, in-fact these are "The" most hard obstacles that one needs to cross.
2. Secondly, even the so-called ghosts (negative entities in lower planes) can Astral travel and can tell the past, present and future. They can also see other worlds, things like we do in our out-of-body travels. So, it proves that the experiences you're talking about does NOT hold that much Spiritual value as one seem them to attach. Just check if these experiences are holding you back to learn anything new. There is NO guarantee that whatsoever you're feeling, seeing, experiencing in these "experiences" are real. It is the game of Mind. He (Mind) is very clever, he can offer you something in which you're interested but his real intention is to hold you off from real stuff. 
These experiences are good as long as one learns from them and move forward.
From my personal experience, some time back I had these so-called experiences, at first I started to act like you that I know better as I've Spiritual experiences. But then I realized that these experiences are not taking me any further. So, eventually I lost interest in them. But then again, some Spiritual force/entity told me that even tough those experiences were from mind but those were good. In other words, I was told that it was good to have those experiences but one needs to take them in the limited positive sense and those experiences should act as catalyst that if I'm enjoying these so much, what the further stage holds for etc. They are good and bad at the same time depending upon how it is helping you.
At last, again, my intention is NOT to prove you wrong or NOT to say that your experiences are nothing......but just trying to warn (positively) you the hidden agendas in these experiences. We should stop thinking that these are somehow Spiritual experiences and but still should enjoy these experiences (they are good).

Please everyone stop these things: Who can sit on Tabiya or not.......
First of all, this is my thinking:
- I'm against those people who dogmatically say that women CANNOT sit on tabiya while menstruating and they go extra mile to prove their point.
- At the same time, I'm also against those people who dogmatically say that women CAN sit on tabiya while menstruating. These so-called equality finders also go extra mile to prove their point.
So, bottom line is both parties are not coming from real Spiritual experiences, they are merely saying.
Secondly, I request you to please read this throughly BEFORE responding.
Now, let me ask both parties the following questions:
For those who say women could sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
For how many times the woman in question sat on Tabiya when she was NOT menstruating? Practially, I found very rare, but for sake of proving their point-of-view-of-equality they would want to sit on Tabiya. In other words, your intention to sit on Tabiya is NOT love but just your mind/ego (remember mind's responsibility is to create doubts either way). Practically, I've seen Spiritual women prefering not to sit on Tabiya while menstruating, noone asked them to do so, it's just their internal feeling out of respect. Let's say, you're on menstruating cycle (with the thing in place inside) and on a nice morning you're eating breakfast and while eating the blood starts coming out, then let me know what your feeling is? Won't you stop eating for a split second i.e a thought crossing your mind? So, how would you expect that you can sit on Tabiya and do path respectfully. Watch your mind set during that period, it should give you some clue. During this period the energy is expanding and outward directed. Isn't Spirituality about turning inward? Is sitting on Tabiya the only way to remember God; it sounds like so as some people insist so much to sit on Tabiya during that time? For those who say women could not sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
Why can't they sit? Isn't God Himself present in the menstruation blood? Isn't Spirituality very above all these physical characterics? Isn't this whole body is filth covered with earth (skin). This damn body is full to filth (blood, salvia, and mucus everywhere)? Do you know that for the generation of Mind powers (some say Spiritual powers), Menstruation is the best time? Have you ever read Occult or Tantar material where menstruating blood along with semen has lot of powers? BlackMagic (because of centripetal/expanding energy) uses menstruating blood. Now, here what's happening in this case, people trying to dump the deeper meaning tuk (nothing is clean in this world) without reaching that higher level to practice it. It is NOT black and white.
People mix 2 different things here. In Spiritual journey, there are certain things which meant different for different level of people. e.g Would you allow a child of 2 years to cross the road by himself? No. But when the same child is grown up, he is instructed to cross the road alone. Same way, there are many things in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which one does need to follow till one reaches certain level and then the Arth/Meaning of those tuks change Itself (one does not need to take another meaning, the thinking automatically changes as per the level). In other words, the person knows the deeper meaning of the previous tuks.
e.g Let me share a story of a Bhagat Namdev Ji with you. Bhagat Namdev Ji did darshan of Sirgun roop of Waheguru 72 times. Once a Bramgyani came to his village and there were number of other Sadhus there. One Sadhu requested the Brahmgyani to tell them that which bhagat is Kacha/Not-fully-prepared and which is Pakka/Fully-prepared for real knowledge.  That Brahmgyani started touching each sadhu's head and told that everyone is Pakka Except Bhagat Namdev Ji. Bhagat Namdev Ji was upset at this because he was thinking that he is getting Waheguru's darshan everytime he remembers, then why that Bramgyani called him Kacha/not-fully-prepared. Bhagat Namdev asked the same question to Sirgun roop of Waheguru. Sirgun roop of Waheguru asked Bhagat Namedev to go to one Sadhu at particular place. Bhagat Namdev went to that place and saw that there is Sadhu but he was standing on "Salgram". Bhagat Namdev was very updset at this: Whyy GOD sent him to a Sadhu who has placed his foot on the "Salgram" (a stone which is worshipped as the Vishnu).  THen that Saint told Bhagat Namdev to place his feet where there is NO GOD. Then, that Saint told bhagat Namdev: that's why you were told kacha. After this Namdev got BrahmGyan and then he utered: "Ram bole Ram bole Ram bolda, sabna gata de wich Ram bolda".
This story is NOT asking one to abandon the rules. In-fact, it is stating that he is beyond everything and anything. But in order to reach that level, one needs to follow certain rules and being respectful is part of it. One cannot hit the sky (Nirgun) as Target, he/she needs something to aim the target.
It is NEITHER a matter of if women can sit on Tabiya, NOR it is a matter of if women are pure/impure during menstruating. It is just a matter of showing respect to the Guru as long as you're under the Laws of universe. Once you cross certain level, then things start to change: You no longer want to sit on Tabiya for some time as you're always accompanied by God. Things are different at different level. Have you ever visited any real Sant which would give you different answer depending upon the asker. It's not about the Truth, its about how you understand it. Otherwise, Truth is only God (Ek Onkar) and the rest is the explanation of that Truth.

That's exactly how I feel Sat1176. Moreover, I don't see any authentic leaders who can preside over the new supposed to be country. If it ever happened, then it won't be free of corruption, power as it is now in Punjab. In-fact if it happens it might become extremist country. See today's so-called protectors who are beating weak?
e.g I'm not happy with this life on earth as there is pain everywhere and everything is damn Fake. I wish to create new world without any problems, but I came to conclusion that it is fantasy to think about the world without problems. We need to fight while living in this world. So, may be this Khalis (pure country) is also fantasy.

That's exactly how I feel Sat1176. Moreover, I don't see any authentic leaders who can preside over the new supposed to be country. If it ever happened, then it won't be free of corruption, power as it is now in Punjab. In-fact if it happens it might become extremist country. See today's so-called protectors who are beating weak?
e.g I'm not happy with this life on earth as there is pain everywhere and everything is damn Fake. I wish to create new world without any problems, but I came to conclusion that it is fantasy to think about the world without problems. We need to fight while living in this world. So, may be this Khalis (pure country) is also fantasy.

Sharing a beautiful explanation by a famous indian scholar and thinker named  Vinoba Bhave .
 Explaining the Meaning of 'Association'. He said:
"The rain drop from the sky, if it is caught in hands is pure enough for drinking.
If it falls in gutter, it's value drops so much that it can't be used for washing the feet.
If it falls on hot surface, it perishes.
If it falls on lotus leaf, it shines like a pearl.
And finally, if it falls on oyster, it becomes a pearl.
The drop is same, but it's existence & worth depends on with whom it associates."
 
* In a similar way, the jeevas in all of us are same, but it is our association with bad, good or best, which makes the difference.
In the company of bad, we become sinners.
In the company of good, we become angels.
But, it is only in the company of Gurmukhs, Sant Janas, that  we become as good as Wahiguru, by merging in Him, thus the best.
Sat Sree Akal.
 

Sat Sangat or Sadh Sangat,
as far as I understand, it is, (we all) the sangat, the congregation; in the company of the Sadh, the Gurmukh, the Brahmagyani, in whom, the Primal Truth is present or manifested.
You see, the sangat by itself is in darkness, and even if more and more darkness gets together, this will not produce even a tiny spark so to say.
It is by being near, the Torch, the Fountain of Light(Gurmukh), where we get the benefit of coming out from darkness, to the realm of Light(Sach Khand).        
Not physical Light, but spiritual Light(Jot), which dispels, the braham, the maya, over our heads, and at the same time, brightens our way, our horizons, in order to reach and merge in Wahiguru Akal Purukh.
Sat Sangat, othey jaaniye, jithe iko Naam vakhaniye.
 
Sat Sree Akal.
 
 

Please everyone stop these things: Who can sit on Tabiya or not.......
First of all, this is my thinking:
- I'm against those people who dogmatically say that women CANNOT sit on tabiya while menstruating and they go extra mile to prove their point.
- At the same time, I'm also against those people who dogmatically say that women CAN sit on tabiya while menstruating. These so-called equality finders also go extra mile to prove their point.
So, bottom line is both parties are not coming from real Spiritual experiences, they are merely saying.
Secondly, I request you to please read this throughly BEFORE responding.
Now, let me ask both parties the following questions:
For those who say women could sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
For how many times the woman in question sat on Tabiya when she was NOT menstruating? Practially, I found very rare, but for sake of proving their point-of-view-of-equality they would want to sit on Tabiya. In other words, your intention to sit on Tabiya is NOT love but just your mind/ego (remember mind's responsibility is to create doubts either way). Practically, I've seen Spiritual women prefering not to sit on Tabiya while menstruating, noone asked them to do so, it's just their internal feeling out of respect. Let's say, you're on menstruating cycle (with the thing in place inside) and on a nice morning you're eating breakfast and while eating the blood starts coming out, then let me know what your feeling is? Won't you stop eating for a split second i.e a thought crossing your mind? So, how would you expect that you can sit on Tabiya and do path respectfully. Watch your mind set during that period, it should give you some clue. During this period the energy is expanding and outward directed. Isn't Spirituality about turning inward? Is sitting on Tabiya the only way to remember God; it sounds like so as some people insist so much to sit on Tabiya during that time? For those who say women could not sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
Why can't they sit? Isn't God Himself present in the menstruation blood? Isn't Spirituality very above all these physical characterics? Isn't this whole body is filth covered with earth (skin). This damn body is full to filth (blood, salvia, and mucus everywhere)? Do you know that for the generation of Mind powers (some say Spiritual powers), Menstruation is the best time? Have you ever read Occult or Tantar material where menstruating blood along with semen has lot of powers? BlackMagic (because of centripetal/expanding energy) uses menstruating blood. Now, here what's happening in this case, people trying to dump the deeper meaning tuk (nothing is clean in this world) without reaching that higher level to practice it. It is NOT black and white.
People mix 2 different things here. In Spiritual journey, there are certain things which meant different for different level of people. e.g Would you allow a child of 2 years to cross the road by himself? No. But when the same child is grown up, he is instructed to cross the road alone. Same way, there are many things in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which one does need to follow till one reaches certain level and then the Arth/Meaning of those tuks change Itself (one does not need to take another meaning, the thinking automatically changes as per the level). In other words, the person knows the deeper meaning of the previous tuks.
e.g Let me share a story of a Bhagat Namdev Ji with you. Bhagat Namdev Ji did darshan of Sirgun roop of Waheguru 72 times. Once a Bramgyani came to his village and there were number of other Sadhus there. One Sadhu requested the Brahmgyani to tell them that which bhagat is Kacha/Not-fully-prepared and which is Pakka/Fully-prepared for real knowledge.  That Brahmgyani started touching each sadhu's head and told that everyone is Pakka Except Bhagat Namdev Ji. Bhagat Namdev Ji was upset at this because he was thinking that he is getting Waheguru's darshan everytime he remembers, then why that Bramgyani called him Kacha/not-fully-prepared. Bhagat Namdev asked the same question to Sirgun roop of Waheguru. Sirgun roop of Waheguru asked Bhagat Namedev to go to one Sadhu at particular place. Bhagat Namdev went to that place and saw that there is Sadhu but he was standing on "Salgram". Bhagat Namdev was very updset at this: Whyy GOD sent him to a Sadhu who has placed his foot on the "Salgram" (a stone which is worshipped as the Vishnu).  THen that Saint told Bhagat Namdev to place his feet where there is NO GOD. Then, that Saint told bhagat Namdev: that's why you were told kacha. After this Namdev got BrahmGyan and then he utered: "Ram bole Ram bole Ram bolda, sabna gata de wich Ram bolda".
This story is NOT asking one to abandon the rules. In-fact, it is stating that he is beyond everything and anything. But in order to reach that level, one needs to follow certain rules and being respectful is part of it. One cannot hit the sky (Nirgun) as Target, he/she needs something to aim the target.
It is NEITHER a matter of if women can sit on Tabiya, NOR it is a matter of if women are pure/impure during menstruating. It is just a matter of showing respect to the Guru as long as you're under the Laws of universe. Once you cross certain level, then things start to change: You no longer want to sit on Tabiya for some time as you're always accompanied by God. Things are different at different level. Have you ever visited any real Sant which would give you different answer depending upon the asker. It's not about the Truth, its about how you understand it. Otherwise, Truth is only God (Ek Onkar) and the rest is the explanation of that Truth.

That's exactly how I feel Sat1176. Moreover, I don't see any authentic leaders who can preside over the new supposed to be country. If it ever happened, then it won't be free of corruption, power as it is now in Punjab. In-fact if it happens it might become extremist country. See today's so-called protectors who are beating weak?
e.g I'm not happy with this life on earth as there is pain everywhere and everything is damn Fake. I wish to create new world without any problems, but I came to conclusion that it is fantasy to think about the world without problems. We need to fight while living in this world. So, may be this Khalis (pure country) is also fantasy.

That's exactly how I feel Sat1176. Moreover, I don't see any authentic leaders who can preside over the new supposed to be country. If it ever happened, then it won't be free of corruption, power as it is now in Punjab. In-fact if it happens it might become extremist country. See today's so-called protectors who are beating weak?
e.g I'm not happy with this life on earth as there is pain everywhere and everything is damn Fake. I wish to create new world without any problems, but I came to conclusion that it is fantasy to think about the world without problems. We need to fight while living in this world. So, may be this Khalis (pure country) is also fantasy.

I would be interested to know how many people would be willing to relocate from the west back to a Sikh homeland if it were ever formed. It's easy to say we want this but how many of us would really want to live there?

Please everyone stop these things: Who can sit on Tabiya or not.......
First of all, this is my thinking:
- I'm against those people who dogmatically say that women CANNOT sit on tabiya while menstruating and they go extra mile to prove their point.
- At the same time, I'm also against those people who dogmatically say that women CAN sit on tabiya while menstruating. These so-called equality finders also go extra mile to prove their point.
So, bottom line is both parties are not coming from real Spiritual experiences, they are merely saying.
Secondly, I request you to please read this throughly BEFORE responding.
Now, let me ask both parties the following questions:
For those who say women could sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
For how many times the woman in question sat on Tabiya when she was NOT menstruating? Practially, I found very rare, but for sake of proving their point-of-view-of-equality they would want to sit on Tabiya. In other words, your intention to sit on Tabiya is NOT love but just your mind/ego (remember mind's responsibility is to create doubts either way). Practically, I've seen Spiritual women prefering not to sit on Tabiya while menstruating, noone asked them to do so, it's just their internal feeling out of respect. Let's say, you're on menstruating cycle (with the thing in place inside) and on a nice morning you're eating breakfast and while eating the blood starts coming out, then let me know what your feeling is? Won't you stop eating for a split second i.e a thought crossing your mind? So, how would you expect that you can sit on Tabiya and do path respectfully. Watch your mind set during that period, it should give you some clue. During this period the energy is expanding and outward directed. Isn't Spirituality about turning inward? Is sitting on Tabiya the only way to remember God; it sounds like so as some people insist so much to sit on Tabiya during that time? For those who say women could not sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
Why can't they sit? Isn't God Himself present in the menstruation blood? Isn't Spirituality very above all these physical characterics? Isn't this whole body is filth covered with earth (skin). This damn body is full to filth (blood, salvia, and mucus everywhere)? Do you know that for the generation of Mind powers (some say Spiritual powers), Menstruation is the best time? Have you ever read Occult or Tantar material where menstruating blood along with semen has lot of powers? BlackMagic (because of centripetal/expanding energy) uses menstruating blood. Now, here what's happening in this case, people trying to dump the deeper meaning tuk (nothing is clean in this world) without reaching that higher level to practice it. It is NOT black and white.
People mix 2 different things here. In Spiritual journey, there are certain things which meant different for different level of people. e.g Would you allow a child of 2 years to cross the road by himself? No. But when the same child is grown up, he is instructed to cross the road alone. Same way, there are many things in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which one does need to follow till one reaches certain level and then the Arth/Meaning of those tuks change Itself (one does not need to take another meaning, the thinking automatically changes as per the level). In other words, the person knows the deeper meaning of the previous tuks.
e.g Let me share a story of a Bhagat Namdev Ji with you. Bhagat Namdev Ji did darshan of Sirgun roop of Waheguru 72 times. Once a Bramgyani came to his village and there were number of other Sadhus there. One Sadhu requested the Brahmgyani to tell them that which bhagat is Kacha/Not-fully-prepared and which is Pakka/Fully-prepared for real knowledge.  That Brahmgyani started touching each sadhu's head and told that everyone is Pakka Except Bhagat Namdev Ji. Bhagat Namdev Ji was upset at this because he was thinking that he is getting Waheguru's darshan everytime he remembers, then why that Bramgyani called him Kacha/not-fully-prepared. Bhagat Namdev asked the same question to Sirgun roop of Waheguru. Sirgun roop of Waheguru asked Bhagat Namedev to go to one Sadhu at particular place. Bhagat Namdev went to that place and saw that there is Sadhu but he was standing on "Salgram". Bhagat Namdev was very updset at this: Whyy GOD sent him to a Sadhu who has placed his foot on the "Salgram" (a stone which is worshipped as the Vishnu).  THen that Saint told Bhagat Namdev to place his feet where there is NO GOD. Then, that Saint told bhagat Namdev: that's why you were told kacha. After this Namdev got BrahmGyan and then he utered: "Ram bole Ram bole Ram bolda, sabna gata de wich Ram bolda".
This story is NOT asking one to abandon the rules. In-fact, it is stating that he is beyond everything and anything. But in order to reach that level, one needs to follow certain rules and being respectful is part of it. One cannot hit the sky (Nirgun) as Target, he/she needs something to aim the target.
It is NEITHER a matter of if women can sit on Tabiya, NOR it is a matter of if women are pure/impure during menstruating. It is just a matter of showing respect to the Guru as long as you're under the Laws of universe. Once you cross certain level, then things start to change: You no longer want to sit on Tabiya for some time as you're always accompanied by God. Things are different at different level. Have you ever visited any real Sant which would give you different answer depending upon the asker. It's not about the Truth, its about how you understand it. Otherwise, Truth is only God (Ek Onkar) and the rest is the explanation of that Truth.

Please everyone stop these things: Who can sit on Tabiya or not.......
First of all, this is my thinking:
- I'm against those people who dogmatically say that women CANNOT sit on tabiya while menstruating and they go extra mile to prove their point.
- At the same time, I'm also against those people who dogmatically say that women CAN sit on tabiya while menstruating. These so-called equality finders also go extra mile to prove their point.
So, bottom line is both parties are not coming from real Spiritual experiences, they are merely saying.
Secondly, I request you to please read this throughly BEFORE responding.
Now, let me ask both parties the following questions:
For those who say women could sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
For how many times the woman in question sat on Tabiya when she was NOT menstruating? Practially, I found very rare, but for sake of proving their point-of-view-of-equality they would want to sit on Tabiya. In other words, your intention to sit on Tabiya is NOT love but just your mind/ego (remember mind's responsibility is to create doubts either way). Practically, I've seen Spiritual women prefering not to sit on Tabiya while menstruating, noone asked them to do so, it's just their internal feeling out of respect. Let's say, you're on menstruating cycle (with the thing in place inside) and on a nice morning you're eating breakfast and while eating the blood starts coming out, then let me know what your feeling is? Won't you stop eating for a split second i.e a thought crossing your mind? So, how would you expect that you can sit on Tabiya and do path respectfully. Watch your mind set during that period, it should give you some clue. During this period the energy is expanding and outward directed. Isn't Spirituality about turning inward? Is sitting on Tabiya the only way to remember God; it sounds like so as some people insist so much to sit on Tabiya during that time? For those who say women could not sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
Why can't they sit? Isn't God Himself present in the menstruation blood? Isn't Spirituality very above all these physical characterics? Isn't this whole body is filth covered with earth (skin). This damn body is full to filth (blood, salvia, and mucus everywhere)? Do you know that for the generation of Mind powers (some say Spiritual powers), Menstruation is the best time? Have you ever read Occult or Tantar material where menstruating blood along with semen has lot of powers? BlackMagic (because of centripetal/expanding energy) uses menstruating blood. Now, here what's happening in this case, people trying to dump the deeper meaning tuk (nothing is clean in this world) without reaching that higher level to practice it. It is NOT black and white.
People mix 2 different things here. In Spiritual journey, there are certain things which meant different for different level of people. e.g Would you allow a child of 2 years to cross the road by himself? No. But when the same child is grown up, he is instructed to cross the road alone. Same way, there are many things in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which one does need to follow till one reaches certain level and then the Arth/Meaning of those tuks change Itself (one does not need to take another meaning, the thinking automatically changes as per the level). In other words, the person knows the deeper meaning of the previous tuks.
e.g Let me share a story of a Bhagat Namdev Ji with you. Bhagat Namdev Ji did darshan of Sirgun roop of Waheguru 72 times. Once a Bramgyani came to his village and there were number of other Sadhus there. One Sadhu requested the Brahmgyani to tell them that which bhagat is Kacha/Not-fully-prepared and which is Pakka/Fully-prepared for real knowledge.  That Brahmgyani started touching each sadhu's head and told that everyone is Pakka Except Bhagat Namdev Ji. Bhagat Namdev Ji was upset at this because he was thinking that he is getting Waheguru's darshan everytime he remembers, then why that Bramgyani called him Kacha/not-fully-prepared. Bhagat Namdev asked the same question to Sirgun roop of Waheguru. Sirgun roop of Waheguru asked Bhagat Namedev to go to one Sadhu at particular place. Bhagat Namdev went to that place and saw that there is Sadhu but he was standing on "Salgram". Bhagat Namdev was very updset at this: Whyy GOD sent him to a Sadhu who has placed his foot on the "Salgram" (a stone which is worshipped as the Vishnu).  THen that Saint told Bhagat Namdev to place his feet where there is NO GOD. Then, that Saint told bhagat Namdev: that's why you were told kacha. After this Namdev got BrahmGyan and then he utered: "Ram bole Ram bole Ram bolda, sabna gata de wich Ram bolda".
This story is NOT asking one to abandon the rules. In-fact, it is stating that he is beyond everything and anything. But in order to reach that level, one needs to follow certain rules and being respectful is part of it. One cannot hit the sky (Nirgun) as Target, he/she needs something to aim the target.
It is NEITHER a matter of if women can sit on Tabiya, NOR it is a matter of if women are pure/impure during menstruating. It is just a matter of showing respect to the Guru as long as you're under the Laws of universe. Once you cross certain level, then things start to change: You no longer want to sit on Tabiya for some time as you're always accompanied by God. Things are different at different level. Have you ever visited any real Sant which would give you different answer depending upon the asker. It's not about the Truth, its about how you understand it. Otherwise, Truth is only God (Ek Onkar) and the rest is the explanation of that Truth.

Please everyone stop these things: Who can sit on Tabiya or not.......
First of all, this is my thinking:
- I'm against those people who dogmatically say that women CANNOT sit on tabiya while menstruating and they go extra mile to prove their point.
- At the same time, I'm also against those people who dogmatically say that women CAN sit on tabiya while menstruating. These so-called equality finders also go extra mile to prove their point.
So, bottom line is both parties are not coming from real Spiritual experiences, they are merely saying.
Secondly, I request you to please read this throughly BEFORE responding.
Now, let me ask both parties the following questions:
For those who say women could sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
For how many times the woman in question sat on Tabiya when she was NOT menstruating? Practially, I found very rare, but for sake of proving their point-of-view-of-equality they would want to sit on Tabiya. In other words, your intention to sit on Tabiya is NOT love but just your mind/ego (remember mind's responsibility is to create doubts either way). Practically, I've seen Spiritual women prefering not to sit on Tabiya while menstruating, noone asked them to do so, it's just their internal feeling out of respect. Let's say, you're on menstruating cycle (with the thing in place inside) and on a nice morning you're eating breakfast and while eating the blood starts coming out, then let me know what your feeling is? Won't you stop eating for a split second i.e a thought crossing your mind? So, how would you expect that you can sit on Tabiya and do path respectfully. Watch your mind set during that period, it should give you some clue. During this period the energy is expanding and outward directed. Isn't Spirituality about turning inward? Is sitting on Tabiya the only way to remember God; it sounds like so as some people insist so much to sit on Tabiya during that time? For those who say women could not sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
Why can't they sit? Isn't God Himself present in the menstruation blood? Isn't Spirituality very above all these physical characterics? Isn't this whole body is filth covered with earth (skin). This damn body is full to filth (blood, salvia, and mucus everywhere)? Do you know that for the generation of Mind powers (some say Spiritual powers), Menstruation is the best time? Have you ever read Occult or Tantar material where menstruating blood along with semen has lot of powers? BlackMagic (because of centripetal/expanding energy) uses menstruating blood. Now, here what's happening in this case, people trying to dump the deeper meaning tuk (nothing is clean in this world) without reaching that higher level to practice it. It is NOT black and white.
People mix 2 different things here. In Spiritual journey, there are certain things which meant different for different level of people. e.g Would you allow a child of 2 years to cross the road by himself? No. But when the same child is grown up, he is instructed to cross the road alone. Same way, there are many things in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which one does need to follow till one reaches certain level and then the Arth/Meaning of those tuks change Itself (one does not need to take another meaning, the thinking automatically changes as per the level). In other words, the person knows the deeper meaning of the previous tuks.
e.g Let me share a story of a Bhagat Namdev Ji with you. Bhagat Namdev Ji did darshan of Sirgun roop of Waheguru 72 times. Once a Bramgyani came to his village and there were number of other Sadhus there. One Sadhu requested the Brahmgyani to tell them that which bhagat is Kacha/Not-fully-prepared and which is Pakka/Fully-prepared for real knowledge.  That Brahmgyani started touching each sadhu's head and told that everyone is Pakka Except Bhagat Namdev Ji. Bhagat Namdev Ji was upset at this because he was thinking that he is getting Waheguru's darshan everytime he remembers, then why that Bramgyani called him Kacha/not-fully-prepared. Bhagat Namdev asked the same question to Sirgun roop of Waheguru. Sirgun roop of Waheguru asked Bhagat Namedev to go to one Sadhu at particular place. Bhagat Namdev went to that place and saw that there is Sadhu but he was standing on "Salgram". Bhagat Namdev was very updset at this: Whyy GOD sent him to a Sadhu who has placed his foot on the "Salgram" (a stone which is worshipped as the Vishnu).  THen that Saint told Bhagat Namdev to place his feet where there is NO GOD. Then, that Saint told bhagat Namdev: that's why you were told kacha. After this Namdev got BrahmGyan and then he utered: "Ram bole Ram bole Ram bolda, sabna gata de wich Ram bolda".
This story is NOT asking one to abandon the rules. In-fact, it is stating that he is beyond everything and anything. But in order to reach that level, one needs to follow certain rules and being respectful is part of it. One cannot hit the sky (Nirgun) as Target, he/she needs something to aim the target.
It is NEITHER a matter of if women can sit on Tabiya, NOR it is a matter of if women are pure/impure during menstruating. It is just a matter of showing respect to the Guru as long as you're under the Laws of universe. Once you cross certain level, then things start to change: You no longer want to sit on Tabiya for some time as you're always accompanied by God. Things are different at different level. Have you ever visited any real Sant which would give you different answer depending upon the asker. It's not about the Truth, its about how you understand it. Otherwise, Truth is only God (Ek Onkar) and the rest is the explanation of that Truth.

Please everyone stop these things: Who can sit on Tabiya or not.......
First of all, this is my thinking:
- I'm against those people who dogmatically say that women CANNOT sit on tabiya while menstruating and they go extra mile to prove their point.
- At the same time, I'm also against those people who dogmatically say that women CAN sit on tabiya while menstruating. These so-called equality finders also go extra mile to prove their point.
So, bottom line is both parties are not coming from real Spiritual experiences, they are merely saying.
Secondly, I request you to please read this throughly BEFORE responding.
Now, let me ask both parties the following questions:
For those who say women could sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
For how many times the woman in question sat on Tabiya when she was NOT menstruating? Practially, I found very rare, but for sake of proving their point-of-view-of-equality they would want to sit on Tabiya. In other words, your intention to sit on Tabiya is NOT love but just your mind/ego (remember mind's responsibility is to create doubts either way). Practically, I've seen Spiritual women prefering not to sit on Tabiya while menstruating, noone asked them to do so, it's just their internal feeling out of respect. Let's say, you're on menstruating cycle (with the thing in place inside) and on a nice morning you're eating breakfast and while eating the blood starts coming out, then let me know what your feeling is? Won't you stop eating for a split second i.e a thought crossing your mind? So, how would you expect that you can sit on Tabiya and do path respectfully. Watch your mind set during that period, it should give you some clue. During this period the energy is expanding and outward directed. Isn't Spirituality about turning inward? Is sitting on Tabiya the only way to remember God; it sounds like so as some people insist so much to sit on Tabiya during that time? For those who say women could not sit on Tabiya while menstruating:
Why can't they sit? Isn't God Himself present in the menstruation blood? Isn't Spirituality very above all these physical characterics? Isn't this whole body is filth covered with earth (skin). This damn body is full to filth (blood, salvia, and mucus everywhere)? Do you know that for the generation of Mind powers (some say Spiritual powers), Menstruation is the best time? Have you ever read Occult or Tantar material where menstruating blood along with semen has lot of powers? BlackMagic (because of centripetal/expanding energy) uses menstruating blood. Now, here what's happening in this case, people trying to dump the deeper meaning tuk (nothing is clean in this world) without reaching that higher level to practice it. It is NOT black and white.
People mix 2 different things here. In Spiritual journey, there are certain things which meant different for different level of people. e.g Would you allow a child of 2 years to cross the road by himself? No. But when the same child is grown up, he is instructed to cross the road alone. Same way, there are many things in Guru Granth Sahib Ji, which one does need to follow till one reaches certain level and then the Arth/Meaning of those tuks change Itself (one does not need to take another meaning, the thinking automatically changes as per the level). In other words, the person knows the deeper meaning of the previous tuks.
e.g Let me share a story of a Bhagat Namdev Ji with you. Bhagat Namdev Ji did darshan of Sirgun roop of Waheguru 72 times. Once a Bramgyani came to his village and there were number of other Sadhus there. One Sadhu requested the Brahmgyani to tell them that which bhagat is Kacha/Not-fully-prepared and which is Pakka/Fully-prepared for real knowledge.  That Brahmgyani started touching each sadhu's head and told that everyone is Pakka Except Bhagat Namdev Ji. Bhagat Namdev Ji was upset at this because he was thinking that he is getting Waheguru's darshan everytime he remembers, then why that Bramgyani called him Kacha/not-fully-prepared. Bhagat Namdev asked the same question to Sirgun roop of Waheguru. Sirgun roop of Waheguru asked Bhagat Namedev to go to one Sadhu at particular place. Bhagat Namdev went to that place and saw that there is Sadhu but he was standing on "Salgram". Bhagat Namdev was very updset at this: Whyy GOD sent him to a Sadhu who has placed his foot on the "Salgram" (a stone which is worshipped as the Vishnu).  THen that Saint told Bhagat Namdev to place his feet where there is NO GOD. Then, that Saint told bhagat Namdev: that's why you were told kacha. After this Namdev got BrahmGyan and then he utered: "Ram bole Ram bole Ram bolda, sabna gata de wich Ram bolda".
This story is NOT asking one to abandon the rules. In-fact, it is stating that he is beyond everything and anything. But in order to reach that level, one needs to follow certain rules and being respectful is part of it. One cannot hit the sky (Nirgun) as Target, he/she needs something to aim the target.
It is NEITHER a matter of if women can sit on Tabiya, NOR it is a matter of if women are pure/impure during menstruating. It is just a matter of showing respect to the Guru as long as you're under the Laws of universe. Once you cross certain level, then things start to change: You no longer want to sit on Tabiya for some time as you're always accompanied by God. Things are different at different level. Have you ever visited any real Sant which would give you different answer depending upon the asker. It's not about the Truth, its about how you understand it. Otherwise, Truth is only God (Ek Onkar) and the rest is the explanation of that Truth.

See first of all, it is only The God who can provide you with clearcut and correct answer. Rest of us can only answer as per our own real understanding (which may or may not be correct or in-between).
That been said, here is what I understood till this point in my journey (since all the previous births). In future this understanding could be more refined or replaced by another understanding depending upon the stage. But always bottom line is: We should try to go towards the source and anything that brings you closer to Source or makes you more determined to go to Source is always good.
Apart from your question "Why hasn't He made us like Himself so that we also neither think wrong nor do wrong?" there are other couple of questions like the following which made me think what and where are we in reality.
Why lot of people are suffering (especially children)?
Why there are so many problems in this world: mainly WAR, HUNGER, DISEASES?
Why the corrupt/manipulators are the top leaders or almost all countries?
And before people jump and say, oh these are the karmas; please understand that I do believe in karma and yes, it is because of karma. But from where karma comes? and what was the original bad karma that got worse? and so on..........just see the following images, my heart melts to see anyone suffering..........As Guru Nanak Dev Ji says...... "Tain Ki Dard Na Aaya......"
Hunger:

WAR:

So, my understanding is that: The working of this universe including all the necessary Laws (including karma) is being handled by some entity (call it Negative power (in sense of hindering Soul's Spiritual progress) , Kaal, Mind, Time, etc.). He is the owner of this universe. He is not kind. His sole intention is to keep its resources (Souls) trapped in his world. Most of the people, refer him as God by mistake. Some more knowlegable call the other side of the coin (Positive force) as God but real God is beyond them. Actually, Kaal (Negative power) as well as Positive power (Akal) were created by HIM (real Truth/God). Kaal was given the ownership and knowledge of this universe by the God.
Now, the question remains why the hell real God gave the ownership to the Kaal? and Why God didn't interfere in the world's problems directly?
- The way I understood is that: God is bound by his bhagats (you can find references in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji). Kaal is the bhagat of God and he had done very hard meditation on real God and then got all this. He (real God) does took pity (and at the same time honoring Kaal's promise) and send various Gurus and Saints to remind us our real home. But Gurus and Saints are also bound by the rules, so they can't just take everyone with them. They can only tell us the real stuff and then if anyone is willing to trust and work, then he can use his free-will and get out of this Kaal's world. Kaal is also bound by one rule that: He cannot stop anyone from going beyond but he can play tricks to lead us to false source.
So, here is the condensed version of my thinking:
1. This whole universe is run by Kaal (Negative power) and Maya (Illusion). But the real God's Essence is always present everywhere. Nothing can operate without that Essence.
2. Rules are this universe are setup in such a way that noone can go beyond the Mind. e.g If one wants to get God by his meditation alone then it is not possible; because when we die, many millions of living creatures (germs etc.) also die within our body and due to this we've to pay the karma etc.
* Understanding the first 2 points are very important because it means that whatsoever we can see, feel is fake and we should be determined to go beyond. Now, the next steps are: *
3. The God allows all this play because Kaal is HIS bhagat and he took promises from God. or May be God really wants us to experience this. Only God knows.
4. The only way out is via Guru's Kirpa. e.g Karmas cannot take us beyond; therefore the whole hope is Guru who will take the seeker slowly via Middle path.
5. Regularly real God sends the liberated ones (real Saints) to remind us our truth home.
6. We do NOT have to find the Guru. Guru will find us once the seeker is ready. i.e after exhausting all the possible ways and hard work.
7. So, what we can do NOW is: Naam, Daan, and Isnaan. Keep meditating with longing for HIM; give charity (not only money but help people in need).
One Saint has given the following flow-chart to achieve Salvation:
1. Do the company of Sant/Mahapurash/Saint.
2. If you cannot do that, then do Naam (Meditation); Dan/Charity of 10% of your income to needy; Isnan (Bath).
3. If you cannot do Naam, Dan, and Isnan, then do not overburden yourself with sins. In other words, avoid doing sins.
4. If you cannot refain from sins, then it is better to die because without doing steps 1, 2, 3 you are bound to fall to lower planes.
But these days, it is very hard to find a real Brahmgyani and therefore it seems like 2nd point is the best of both worlds and a time will come (may be in this birth or next) when one will meet the True Guru. Till then, just keep trying.
If you want to learn more, then the following are the best:
- http://www.santmat-thetruth.de/tl_files/allgemein-content/schriften/pdf/books/anurag-sagar-en.pdf
- The Matrix movie 1 and 2: this basically shows how could illusion could work. This particular movie has many many very deep concepts but one could understand only that resonates with one's current level.
das

See first of all, it is only The God who can provide you with clearcut and correct answer. Rest of us can only answer as per our own real understanding (which may or may not be correct or in-between).
That been said, here is what I understood till this point in my journey (since all the previous births). In future this understanding could be more refined or replaced by another understanding depending upon the stage. But always bottom line is: We should try to go towards the source and anything that brings you closer to Source or makes you more determined to go to Source is always good.
Apart from your question "Why hasn't He made us like Himself so that we also neither think wrong nor do wrong?" there are other couple of questions like the following which made me think what and where are we in reality.
Why lot of people are suffering (especially children)?
Why there are so many problems in this world: mainly WAR, HUNGER, DISEASES?
Why the corrupt/manipulators are the top leaders or almost all countries?
And before people jump and say, oh these are the karmas; please understand that I do believe in karma and yes, it is because of karma. But from where karma comes? and what was the original bad karma that got worse? and so on..........just see the following images, my heart melts to see anyone suffering..........As Guru Nanak Dev Ji says...... "Tain Ki Dard Na Aaya......"
Hunger:

WAR:

So, my understanding is that: The working of this universe including all the necessary Laws (including karma) is being handled by some entity (call it Negative power (in sense of hindering Soul's Spiritual progress) , Kaal, Mind, Time, etc.). He is the owner of this universe. He is not kind. His sole intention is to keep its resources (Souls) trapped in his world. Most of the people, refer him as God by mistake. Some more knowlegable call the other side of the coin (Positive force) as God but real God is beyond them. Actually, Kaal (Negative power) as well as Positive power (Akal) were created by HIM (real Truth/God). Kaal was given the ownership and knowledge of this universe by the God.
Now, the question remains why the hell real God gave the ownership to the Kaal? and Why God didn't interfere in the world's problems directly?
- The way I understood is that: God is bound by his bhagats (you can find references in Sri Guru Granth Sahib Ji). Kaal is the bhagat of God and he had done very hard meditation on real God and then got all this. He (real God) does took pity (and at the same time honoring Kaal's promise) and send various Gurus and Saints to remind us our real home. But Gurus and Saints are also bound by the rules, so they can't just take everyone with them. They can only tell us the real stuff and then if anyone is willing to trust and work, then he can use his free-will and get out of this Kaal's world. Kaal is also bound by one rule that: He cannot stop anyone from going beyond but he can play tricks to lead us to false source.
So, here is the condensed version of my thinking:
1. This whole universe is run by Kaal (Negative power) and Maya (Illusion). But the real God's Essence is always present everywhere. Nothing can operate without that Essence.
2. Rules are this universe are setup in such a way that noone can go beyond the Mind. e.g If one wants to get God by his meditation alone then it is not possible; because when we die, many millions of living creatures (germs etc.) also die within our body and due to this we've to pay the karma etc.
* Understanding the first 2 points are very important because it means that whatsoever we can see, feel is fake and we should be determined to go beyond. Now, the next steps are: *
3. The God allows all this play because Kaal is HIS bhagat and he took promises from God. or May be God really wants us to experience this. Only God knows.
4. The only way out is via Guru's Kirpa. e.g Karmas cannot take us beyond; therefore the whole hope is Guru who will take the seeker slowly via Middle path.
5. Regularly real God sends the liberated ones (real Saints) to remind us our truth home.
6. We do NOT have to find the Guru. Guru will find us once the seeker is ready. i.e after exhausting all the possible ways and hard work.
7. So, what we can do NOW is: Naam, Daan, and Isnaan. Keep meditating with longing for HIM; give charity (not only money but help people in need).
One Saint has given the following flow-chart to achieve Salvation:
1. Do the company of Sant/Mahapurash/Saint.
2. If you cannot do that, then do Naam (Meditation); Dan/Charity of 10% of your income to needy; Isnan (Bath).
3. If you cannot do Naam, Dan, and Isnan, then do not overburden yourself with sins. In other words, avoid doing sins.
4. If you cannot refain from sins, then it is better to die because without doing steps 1, 2, 3 you are bound to fall to lower planes.
But these days, it is very hard to find a real Brahmgyani and therefore it seems like 2nd point is the best of both worlds and a time will come (may be in this birth or next) when one will meet the True Guru. Till then, just keep trying.
If you want to learn more, then the following are the best:
- http://www.santmat-thetruth.de/tl_files/allgemein-content/schriften/pdf/books/anurag-sagar-en.pdf
- The Matrix movie 1 and 2: this basically shows how could illusion could work. This particular movie has many many very deep concepts but one could understand only that resonates with one's current level.
das

There is no point in reciting fast just for the sake of doing certain number of paths in shortest span of time. But some people try to do that to prove that someone is wrong who used to do certain paths in very short span of time.

The real punch here is: One can even do one Japji Sahib path in 1 second. If you want to try it, here is the technique. and Best of Luck. I guess by the time anyone attains (not learn) that technique, that person would loose the interest to do path in shortest span of time. He will just enjoy.

Raise your consciousness. e.g Light is treated as the fastest; but in reality Thought/Mind is the fastest. Now, remember that even Thoughts/Mind is travelling within some space. Bottom line is: Mind/Thought cannot travel faster than the Soul because Soul is everywhere. In other words, the distance travelled vs the time taken can only be measured IFF we've 2 seperate points of interest, but as Soul is everywhere then there is NO time NO distance. Soul is the medium in which Time and Space operates.

Therefore, the factor one reaches higher in the state (Physical, Astral, and Casual), one experience different time as compared to one on earth. But if one wants to travel beyond the time, then one needs to go beyond the Mind, beyond the Casual realm, i.e to the Source of Time itself. Once anyone reaches the Soul state, then there is no time whatsoever. and consequently one can do any number of paths in 1 second or 0 second. Time is just a factor of Mind.

That's where the concept of Parallel universes, Time Slip comes from.

Satkirin,

I think regardless of the gender, male or female, if a person has the necessary talent, intelligence, passion or zeal towardsa particular goal , it can be achieved. Yes, there maybe obstacles which will be different for a person. Every individual is unique and will carve a unique path for her/himself.

In my close family circles, all the girls are being encouraged to pursue higher education or their passion. I have not seen a family which tells the girl to not study and just stay at kitchen or home. I think gone are the days atleast in my views, when women were just staying at home. Infact, in canda, for indian families, both man and woman has to work to run the house. Sometimes , it is not even a choice, its a financial necessity.

My point is that no one tells a girl these days to stay at home if she wants to become a doctor or astronaut. In fact, it is the opposite, indian parents first wants their daughte to become a doctor, if not then settle for a dentist, then settle being an engineer or a teacher, or atleast complete higher education. Atleast that is my experience.