Meditation - My Experiance, Am I Allowed To Share?

[Sat1176]

This thread is more than just experiences. It is a more like a dairy that documents our journey to understand simran, the inner journey and what we are learning and experiencing along they way by a number of individuals. The posts contain subtle hints that may help someone in the future.

We might not have all the answers today but as I see in my own journey things I read 10+ years ago are presenting themselves again via different channels. There is some hidden truth out there which I don’t fully understand yet but I hope I am making slow progress in the right direction. 

 

[Sikhilove]

On 10/29/2020 at 8:11 PM, Sat1176 said:

This thread is more than just experiences. It is a more like a dairy that documents our journey to understand simran, the inner journey and what we are learning and experiencing along they way by a number of individuals. The posts contain subtle hints that may help someone in the future.

We might not have all the answers today but as I see in my own journey things I read 10+ years ago are presenting themselves again via different channels. There is some hidden truth out there which I don’t fully understand yet but I hope I am making slow progress in the right direction. 

 

The first step is to live in Nirboah and Nirvair. Recognize and naturally in sehaj accept that He’s everyone, everything, everywhere. There’s nothing He doesn’t power, He’s All pervading. So we Never Fear Anything or Anyone and become All Loving, for it’s All Him/ Truth.  

[Mooorakh]

18 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

The first step is to live in Nirboah and Nirvair. Recognize and naturally in sehaj accept that He’s everyone, everything, everywhere. There’s nothing He doesn’t power, He’s All pervading. So we Never Fear Anything or Anyone and become All Loving, for it’s All Him/ Truth.  

I am sorry but i feel nirbhau and Nirvair are those distinctive qualities of Akal Purakh which can only be attained once a person reaches a certain Avastha. First step is to just walk towards this direction. Pray to waheguru ji that i want to walk on the path of 'liv' .. request him to pick his child or make him walk on his path. That's all one can do.. Rest is all in his hands. If he makes you do his Bhakti, Jap naam, enter sunn and imparts to different Avastha etc.  Haina?? 

At a time we start realising our faults and bads.. get to know the rights n wrongs... Somehow gets connected to sangat n so on... 

[harsharan000]

8 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

I am sorry but i feel nirbhau and Nirvair are those distinctive qualities of Akal Purakh which can only be attained once a person reaches a certain Avastha. First step is to just walk towards this direction. Pray to waheguru ji that i want to walk on the path of 'liv' .. request him to pick his child or make him walk on his path. That's all one can do.. Rest is all in his hands. If he makes you do his Bhakti, Jap naam, enter sunn and imparts to different Avastha etc.  Haina?? 

At a time we start realising our faults and bads.. get to know the rights n wrongs... Somehow gets connected to sangat n so on... 

Verily true, well said.

Not only nirbhau and nirvair qualities of Waheguru can not  be perceived until one reaches that higher avastha, but also any of the other qulaities such as omnipresence, omnipotence or omniscience among others.

For though He is everything and everywhere, yet is of no use to us, for we have not realized or mnaifested Him within us.

Just as we know butter is in the milk and comes by churning it, yet we can not say as the butter is in the milk so I will have it applied it on the toast.

Radio waves/frecuencies  are present everywhere, yet if we do not have a tv receiver or a radio receiver, we can not listen the news or see the tv.

In a similar way, the Lord Waheguru is present everywhere, yet in spite of this fact, the evil doers incurr in their bad karam without shame. Neither does He do anything to stop not only this aspect, but as well as other happenings, for that purpose He made the law of Karam.

It is only when with bhakti we establish Him within our minds by His grace, it is then when He is our rakhanhaar, our protector, our benefactor, for we have given ourself to Him unconditionally.

So let us not say as seen and said by someone, that because He is everything and everywhere, all is good.

Nope, that is not correct, it is cheating ourselves and others with fragile mind.

Glad for you pen jee, you brought this positive point forward.

SSA.

[Sikhilove]

On 11/5/2020 at 12:33 PM, Mooorakh said:

I am sorry but i feel nirbhau and Nirvair are those distinctive qualities of Akal Purakh which can only be attained once a person reaches a certain Avastha. First step is to just walk towards this direction. Pray to waheguru ji that i want to walk on the path of 'liv' .. request him to pick his child or make him walk on his path. That's all one can do.. Rest is all in his hands. If he makes you do his Bhakti, Jap naam, enter sunn and imparts to different Avastha etc.  Haina?? 

At a time we start realising our faults and bads.. get to know the rights n wrongs... Somehow gets connected to sangat n so on... 

The gyan, the teachings are all in Gurbani. They’re not there to be read like a recipe over. They’re there to be applied in action, in simran ie remembrance.
 

If Guru Nanak, as the Great Teacher, Taught that He is Nirboah and Nirvair, why would we not remember/ accept/ apply that Truth, in humility, instead of ignoring it in procrastination and ego. To give our heads, we must accept that we are Nothing, in humility. Truth is so simple, we ourselves complicate it. 
 

He’s right there, staring you in the face. You just have to believe it. Being of a high avastha or whatever is of no consequence. When your lover is sitting right in front of you, why ignore them? 
 

Bandgi, doing good deeds etc is great, but the first step is to accept the Truth Reality, that it’s all Him. 

[Guest Sangat]

1 hour ago, Sikhilove said:

They’re not there to be read like a recipe over.

You are the user Sat1 from SikhSangat

 

[Guest One2One]

1 hour ago, Guest Sangat said:

You are the user Sat1 from SikhSangat

 

Hmmmmm, quite true

[Sikhilove]

20 hours ago, Guest Sangat said:

You are the user Sat1 from SikhSangat

 

No, I’m Sikhilove from sikh philosophy, I don’t use sikh Sangat 

[Mooorakh]

On 11/7/2020 at 2:53 AM, Sikhilove said:

The gyan, the teachings are all in Gurbani. They’re not there to be read like a recipe over. They’re there to be applied in action, in simran ie remembrance.
 

If Guru Nanak, as the Great Teacher, Taught that He is Nirboah and Nirvair, why would we not remember/ accept/ apply that Truth, in humility, instead of ignoring it in procrastination and ego. To give our heads, we must accept that we are Nothing, in humility. Truth is so simple, we ourselves complicate it. 
 

He’s right there, staring you in the face. You just have to believe it. Being of a high avastha or whatever is of no consequence. When your lover is sitting right in front of you, why ignore them? 
 

Bandgi, doing good deeds etc is great, but the first step is to accept the Truth Reality, that it’s all Him. 

Waheguru ji, 

You are absolutely correct, I am not contradicting any thing you wrote nor m trying to argue. All I am saying is what I understand as per my experience. Being Nirbhau isn't easy. We all know Guru Nanak sahib told us that my waheguru ji has these amazing attributes. He's Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal moorat, KartaPurakh, ajoooni .... I would love to go on and on On this...  we all want to be like our supreme Dad of course. 

But it isn't easy. I have seen many abhiyaasis getting scared in their Abhyaas. I have felt a terror myself. Being Nirbhau is just isn't something you can do to yourself it's his grace- avastha that he himself imparts when and only when one Trust him- surrender to him completely. - hun Tu jaan Waheguru meri Dori haath tumhare. Tu farr mainu..  mai kujh nahi bass tu hi tu hai jo hai.. 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day. 

 

[Sikhilove]

3 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

Waheguru ji, 

You are absolutely correct, I am not contradicting any thing you wrote nor m trying to argue. All I am saying is what I understand as per my experience. Being Nirbhau isn't easy. We all know Guru Nanak sahib told us that my waheguru ji has these amazing attributes. He's Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal moorat, KartaPurakh, ajoooni .... I would love to go on and on On this...  we all want to be like our supreme Dad of course. 

But it isn't easy. I have seen many abhiyaasis getting scared in their Abhyaas. I have felt a terror myself. Being Nirbhau is just isn't something you can do to yourself it's his grace- avastha that he himself imparts when and only when one Trust him- surrender to him completely. - hun Tu jaan Waheguru meri Dori haath tumhare. Tu farr mainu..  mai kujh nahi bass tu hi tu hai jo hai.. 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day">">. 

 

I understand what you mean. What I’ve learned is that the gyan is simple. It begins with accepting he’s all, and the fearlessness comes. It took me years and I still fall often. But it’s comforting to know it’s all just Him. 

[Ragmaala]

15 hours ago, Sikhilove said:

It begins with accepting he’s all, and the fearlessness comes.

Have you had the practical experience yourself that he's all ?

What do you mean by accepting he's all ? Do you mean believing he's all or do you mean reaching a state of mind or avastha after bandgi/simran where you experience Sab Gobind hai...Gobind bin nahi koe..

Just trying to understand your perspective.  If I give my own example. Let's say I am encountered by a wild tiger in a jungle. I have not reached the avastha where I have seen Gobind in all. But let's say if  I start believing/accepting that Gobind  is in Tiger. Will my fearlessness go away ?

or do you mean to say that keep practicing the jugti of trying to see God in all  and maybe one day it will manifest practically when you see that Hes all.  

In my limited understanding, I could be definitely wrong, but one has to attain this stage of seeing God in all and everywhere, basically having Darshan everywhere (like Bhagat Namdev ji who saw God in fire, dog etc) after Simran, Sewa and Bandgi.  Its not something one can imagine or believe or accept. Its something that practically manifests in one's life. Thats just my understanding. Because mostly all teachers/mahapurush start a person from Bhagti of Waheguru mantra/Sargun Upashna before a sadhaka is able to see Gobind in all.  As the sadhaka advances, he knows that All is Gobind and Gobind is all. 

[harsharan000]

3 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

Have you had the practical experience yourself that he's all ?

What do you mean by accepting he's all ? Do you mean believing he's all or do you mean reaching a state of mind or avastha after bandgi/simran where you experience Sab Gobind hai...Gobind bin nahi koe..

Just trying to understand your perspective.  If I give my own example. Let's say I am encountered by a wild tiger in a jungle. I have not reached the avastha where I have seen Gobind in all. But let's say if  I start believing/accepting that Gobind  is in Tiger. Will my fearlessness go away ?

or do you mean to say that keep practicing the jugti of trying to see God in all  and maybe one day it will manifest practically when you see that Hes all.  

In my limited understanding, I could be definitely wrong, but one has to attain this stage of seeing God in all and everywhere, basically having Darshan everywhere (like Bhagat Namdev ji who saw God in fire, dog etc) after Simran, Sewa and Bandgi.  Its not something one can imagine or believe or accept. Its something that practically manifests in one's life. Thats just my understanding. Because mostly all teachers/mahapurush start a person from Bhagti of Waheguru mantra/Sargun Upashna before a sadhaka is able to see Gobind in all.  As the sadhaka advances, he knows that All is Gobind and Gobind is all. 

Good post Bro.

He is everywhere and everything, this is fine and there is no doubt about it, but at our present level we have not that avastha to say it convincingly. We are talking more like conceptuals than what it really is about.

And the fact is, He has created dualities, pair of opposites,  diversity, multiplicity, gyan agyan, truth-untruth, birth - death and so on .

And He wants us to discern and come out from all this paraphernalia, with the practical aid of Gurbani, and realize Him, not otherwise.

As I said in my post above, we all  know butter comes out from milk, but unless we apply a jugtee and bring out the butter from that milk, it would not be wise to say as butter is inthe milk, I will apply it on the toast and have, then this will only show our pettiness, for the slice bread will be drenched with milk, not butter for sure.

Or  as you said, He is everywhere and as He is good, so if I meet a tiger in the jungle, nothing will happen to me...what rubbish....looooollllll, that foolish person will be for sure a happy meal for the tiger... 

Please let us take care of what we say or express, and not just pour out our wild neurotical fancies, for with that attitude people can be drawn farther away from the Truth of Gurbani, except for a few who couragesly and politely see contacdictions and ask for clarifications.

Though, if the person by itself is confused and yet believes to be right, hardly can it add any clarity or light to the matter in question.

For god´s sake, He has given us some sense, let us make use of it, a bit though  if not much.

 

[Jageera]

I 2nd Ragmaala veers question.How to experience and accept He is all?There has to be steps towards that realization.What good is there in knowing it's all Him?Shouldn't we experience that it's all Him?

3 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

But let's say if  I start believing/accepting that Gobind  is in Tiger. Will my fearlessness go away ?

Yes fearlessness would go away as dead mauled bodies have no fear in them

[harsharan000]

22 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day">">. 

 

Nothing so great about it Pen Jee, it was that much valuable for me. I mean, the post was simple yet meaningful, with kindness, and humility.

Keep up good spirits

[harsharan000]

21 minutes ago, Jageera said:

Yes fearlessness would go away as dead mauled bodies have no fear in them

Yeah so true.

ha ha ha ha haaaah.

Well said Bro.

[Lucky]

On 11/9/2020 at 4:05 PM, Sikhilove said:

I understand what you mean. What I’ve learned is that the gyan is simple. It begins with accepting he’s all, and the fearlessness comes. It took me years and I still fall often. But it’s comforting to know it’s all just Him. 

This is just a blanket statement unless you know otherwise. Gyan is not that simple and it's not about just accepting that he's all.

There are many members in this thread that discuss specific and validated practices. Other members try their best to answer questions as explicitly as possible or guide towards a specific source where available.  No offense, but blanket statements or vague quotes are not what readers from all over the world look for in this particular thread.

Believe me, there are some members  that can see the brahm-jyot in and all around them if they put their dhyian there. But that's just a preliminary stage towards ever seeing the waheguru in all like Bhai Kanhaiya did whilst attending and comforting both muslims and sikhs on the same battlefield.     To say that great gurmukhs like him felt that stage by "just accepting he's all", is an insult to their avasthas.

There is so much kamayee needed before one can get to that stage and that gurmukh's surti would be in turiya avastha at ALL times whilst he's astool (physical) dehi is in maya.    

 

[hsingh6]

7 hours ago, Lucky said:

This is just a blanket statement unless you know otherwise. Gyan is not that simple and it's not about just accepting that he's all.

There are many members in this thread that discuss specific and validated practices. Other members try their best to answer questions as explicitly as possible or guide towards a specific source where availab.  No offense, but blanket statements or vague quotes is not what readers all over the world look at this thread for.

Believe me, there are some members  that can see the brahm-jyot in all around them when they put their dhyian there. But that's just a preliminary stage towards ever seeing the waheguru in all as Bhai Kanhaiya whilst attending and comforting both muslims and sikhs on the same battlefield.     To say that great gurmukhs like him felt that stage by "just accepting he's all", is an insult to their avasthas.

There is so much kamayee needed before one can get to that stage and that gurmukhs surti would be in turiya avastha at ALL times whilst he's astool (physical) dehi is in maya.    

 

well said...its the kamayee that matters not acquired gyan through reading etc. 

 

[Sikhilove]

On 11/10/2020 at 3:26 PM, Ragmaala said:

Have you had the practical experience yourself that he's all ?

What do you mean by accepting he's all ? Do you mean believing he's all or do you mean reaching a state of mind or avastha after bandgi/simran where you experience Sab Gobind hai...Gobind bin nahi koe..

Just trying to understand your perspective.  If I give my own example. Let's say I am encountered by a wild tiger in a jungle. I have not reached the avastha where I have seen Gobind in all. But let's say if  I start believing/accepting that Gobind  is in Tiger. Will my fearlessness go away ?

or do you mean to say that keep practicing the jugti of trying to see God in all  and maybe one day it will manifest practically when you see that Hes all.  

In my limited understanding, I could be definitely wrong, but one has to attain this stage of seeing God in all and everywhere, basically having Darshan everywhere (like Bhagat Namdev ji who saw God in fire, dog etc) after Simran, Sewa and Bandgi.  Its not something one can imagine or believe or accept. Its something that practically manifests in one's life. Thats just my understanding. Because mostly all teachers/mahapurush start a person from Bhagti of Waheguru mantra/Sargun Upashna before a sadhaka is able to see Gobind in all.  As the sadhaka advances, he knows that All is Gobind and Gobind is all. 

I don’t claim to be of any avastha or spiritual stage. This path of bhagti is never ending. But it’s a path of Bhagti. Of Love. Not avasthas, who’s higher up, what’s higher up. There is no higher or lower. It’s only until you literally put your head on the floor and accept your self as shit as the Gurus themselves accepted themselves as lowly worms, that you start truly loving. I’m by no means perfect at all. I accept myself as shit. I’m just a sinner, we all are without Him. For without Truth, we live in ego, 
 

I wondered around for years in fear etc. it actually took me ages to accept the Truth. I dont usually talk about this stuff because I don’t dwell on visions anymore and I don’t think anyone’s higher or lower for having them, that’s ego. I guess I started accepting everything’s Him when I started having visions, of the Gurus etc, lights, auras, all that stuff. I know a lot of people who have these so no big deal, and doesn’t make anyone great or worse as His creation is Equal, all an extension of Him. 
 

I used to see his shakti, blue lights, everywhere, on and as everything etc, hence realising, it’s all just One, I saw and felt His prescence as Everything, everywhere on everyone in waking life. I knew it was Him as a wife knows their spouse. I first started having those experiences properly when I started doing naam simran at 4am, my third eye seemed to open and then there was no going back. Then the next few years, I started going deep into samadhi, and having experiences. Going deep into the sunn, I realised, it’s All just Him. I felt like my heart was opening to the universe and that it’s all just an extension of Him.

I understood that He has no form or image, that the world is a dream and an illusion, and the reality is Nothing, but a frequency, that can’t be described. His presence. I’ve gone through phases where I’ve had dreams of the Gurus guiding me almost every single night some weeks and too many darshans to count. I know other Sikhs who have had these too, and although I accepted the blessings, I’ve realised not to dwell on them as they’re guiding lights that help lead the way and also Reassurance that we’re on the right path. 

I started understanding that the Dukh and the Sukh, the good and bad, angel, demons are all just Him. I started forgetting, but when I forgot, I’d bring myself to the present moment and remember that it’s All just Him. There is no image or form, the images are Him. I’d apply what I’d learned in my samadhi in real life. It’s just a frequency you vibrate at, like a knowledge you have that brings you to a level where you know it’s Him and can feel it. In reality, it’s just Love, my heart was open to Him. In the good and the bad. Any visions of demons Or ghosts I would have, I’d just start laughing and say God I know it’s just you, and go back to sleep or my business. 
 

I actually realised Love of Truth, As in my heart had expanded to basically its zenith, when I’d pushed all of the visions I used to have constantly in waking life aside, accepted my life and work, and my time on this earth as my Karam for now, and also experienced a lot of Dukhi in life and in my work. One day when things were bad, My heart opened so much, I felt like it had burst, and I realised that all the bad eggs I’d met, the con artists, nindaks etc, and the messed up things that had happened as well as the happiness and the good, had opened my heart to realise that it’s all just Him, love, and that’s when I realised that the path isn’t rocket science, and by no means about where you’re at, for the path is Endless and the Truth discoveries Never End. Its just True Love, In good and bad, accepting this universe as One, that we are One. You can’t properly explain love, you have to feel it, and walking on the straight and narrow path, following gurbani/ being good, taking care of your mind, body, spirit, supporting your own life, naam simran etc is the way to do it. Love has no logic and you have to experience it yourself. He is not some unattainable level you can’t reach. He’s everywhere, He flows through us, and His love for us is Unconditional. He’s everyone and thing we see and all that we don’t. It’s an advanced psychology. He’s not simply accessible to some on the path and others less. That’s what the Gurus tried to tell us. Look around you and remember or apply  it. Gurbani tells us it many times. Talk to Him, ask Him for Guidance yourself. 

 

 

[Sikhilove]

On 11/10/2020 at 10:28 PM, Lucky said:

This is just a blanket statement unless you know otherwise. Gyan is not that simple and it's not about just accepting that he's all.

There are many members in this thread that discuss specific and validated practices. Other members try their best to answer questions as explicitly as possible or guide towards a specific source where available.  No offense, but blanket statements or vague quotes are not what readers from all over the world look for in this particular thread.

Believe me, there are some members  that can see the brahm-jyot in and all around them if they put their dhyian there. But that's just a preliminary stage towards ever seeing the waheguru in all like Bhai Kanhaiya did whilst attending and comforting both muslims and sikhs on the same battlefield.     To say that great gurmukhs like him felt that stage by "just accepting he's all", is an insult to their avasthas.

There is so much kamayee needed before one can get to that stage and that gurmukh's surti would be in turiya avastha at ALL times whilst he's astool (physical) dehi is in maya.    

 

With regards to the tiger, either defend yourself (if possible as Guru Gobind Ji did), run or get eaten. Humans still need to accept hukam and karam. The Gurus accepted shaheedi, Some in awful ways, but we accept nevertheless. They realised it was just God, and accepted.

[Kaur10]

On 9/18/2013 at 4:13 PM, Sat1176 said:

Speaking of attachment to maya I'll share a short incident that made me laugh and on the other hand really made me wonder what people really wish for in life.

 

My wife and I went out for the day to Canterbury where they have a famous cathedral. We both went in looking at the grandeur of the building. I have to admit churches have the most eeriest feelings and smell that bring a sense of death the moment you enter them. Especially the more older ones. Inside they had this table where people write their prayers on post it notes and leave them and at a given time the priest collects them all and puts them on some alter/pillar which must carry some religious significance for them. So I started to read some of these prayers and most were asking for something but along the lines off: Dear God, show me the right path for I am terribly lost. Please fix so and so problem. Please take me into your sanctuary etc.

 

My wife picks up a post it note and starts to write. At first I'm really annoyed she did it then even more annoyed when I read what her prayer actually was.

 

Dear God, Can I please win the 20 million lottery tomorrow. Signed XYZ

 

I rubbed my hand on my forehead and said, "You can't be serious, O tera bhalla hovey!!!!"

@Sat1176 do you live in Kent? I could not imagine people like you are here.  

 

[Sat1176]

21 hours ago, Kaur1510 said:

@Sat1176 do you live in Kent? I could not imagine people like you are here.  

 

Lol, oh my that is an oooold post. No ji I live in Barking, East London.

What you mean people like me?

[Kaur10]

On 11/13/2020 at 8:12 AM, Sat1176 said:

Lol, oh my that is an oooold post. No ji I live in Barking, East London.

What you mean people like me?

I noticed just few local sangat people who visit gurudwara sahib for their love for gurbani or Waheguru, rest seems like just attending for their friends, regular attendance,  langar or managing chores in kitchen or office etc. May be i am looking down on others! Sometimes we don't know the other person's spiritual state unless we talk to them.  I am glad i am on this forum as feel like i have company now to appreciate The Great Waheguru. 

Like you means gurmukh naam abhyaasi.

I met a simple looking village girl during my secondary schooling in India, and that girl sowed the waheguru loving seed in my heart.  It is by the blessing of Waheguru when you meet bhagats. 

 

[Guest Guest]

1) During sleep as per Gurmukhs, Mann leaves the body? Is there any Gurbani line which indicates that?

2 )Lets suppose Mann leaves the body during sleep then why it does not remember full detail of dream when we wake up in the morning? Science says its our brain which takes dreams. Gurmukhs say its Mann.

3) Why Mann is not aware when it leaves the body? 

 

Bande Khoj Dil Har Roj so lets do some Khoj

 

 

 

[Sat1176]

7 hours ago, Guest Guest said:

1) During sleep as per Gurmukhs, Mann leaves the body? Is there any Gurbani line which indicates that?

I've heard the pangti being used in this context but can't find it.

Dhan chotay mun kaha summyee...

[sarabatam]

Just passing by, I notice things are working out for me..when I fall at the feet of Satguru Nanak Dev Ji Charan lotus radiant feet while listening to japji sahib.

I specially fall at the feet during Tu sada salamat Nirankar Mahavak which furthers helps me in the simran of Vahiguru Gurmantar.

So with prema bhagti begs for his blessing

1. ~Tu Sada Salamat Nirankar ~

2. ~Tu Sada Salamat Nirankar ~

3. ~Tu Sada Salamat Nirankar~

Spontaneously import at the last Mahavak during Tu Sada Salamat Nirankar into my surat which helping me clearing lot of spiritual blocks and trauma during simran of Vahiguru at the heart level at right side of chest.

There is the divan of sant mohinder singh ji jarg wale, if you need further reference, mahavak or updesh of atam gyan in form of Vahiguru absorption given directly to one's surat not to the mind. So importing could happen in due time and with discplined prema bhagti and abhyas.

 

Hope it helps.