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I pretty much never intervene in conflict but I think it’s necessary right now This portion of the site is dedicated to sharing experiences. Simple. No arguments, no treguni posts. Nothing. 

If I agree with what someone has said I will like. Please don't lecture me on what I should and shouldn't like. I'm not aware of liking any post with nindaya and recall only liking one post today by S

Was listening to Giani/Bhai Paramjit Singh Ji Khalsa (Anandpur Sahib Wale) live on SikhChannel last night and must say I was really impressed with this guy's katha. His topic was naam simran. I will r

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On 10/29/2020 at 8:11 PM, Sat1176 said:

This thread is more than just experiences. It is a more like a dairy that documents our journey to understand simran, the inner journey and what we are learning and experiencing along they way by a number of individuals. The posts contain subtle hints that may help someone in the future.

We might not have all the answers today but as I see in my own journey things I read 10+ years ago are presenting themselves again via different channels. There is some hidden truth out there which I don’t fully understand yet but I hope I am making slow progress in the right direction. 

 

The first step is to live in Nirboah and Nirvair. Recognize and naturally in sehaj accept that He’s everyone, everything, everywhere. There’s nothing He doesn’t power, He’s All pervading. So we Never Fear Anything or Anyone and become All Loving, for it’s All Him/ Truth.  

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On 11/5/2020 at 12:33 PM, Mooorakh said:

I am sorry but i feel nirbhau and Nirvair are those distinctive qualities of Akal Purakh which can only be attained once a person reaches a certain Avastha. First step is to just walk towards this direction. Pray to waheguru ji that i want to walk on the path of 'liv' .. request him to pick his child or make him walk on his path. That's all one can do.. Rest is all in his hands. If he makes you do his Bhakti, Jap naam, enter sunn and imparts to different Avastha etc.  Haina?? 

At a time we start realising our faults and bads.. get to know the rights n wrongs... Somehow gets connected to sangat n so on... 

The gyan, the teachings are all in Gurbani. They’re not there to be read like a recipe over. They’re there to be applied in action, in simran ie remembrance.
 

If Guru Nanak, as the Great Teacher, Taught that He is Nirboah and Nirvair, why would we not remember/ accept/ apply that Truth, in humility, instead of ignoring it in procrastination and ego. To give our heads, we must accept that we are Nothing, in humility. Truth is so simple, we ourselves complicate it. 
 

He’s right there, staring you in the face. You just have to believe it. Being of a high avastha or whatever is of no consequence. When your lover is sitting right in front of you, why ignore them? 
 

Bandgi, doing good deeds etc is great, but the first step is to accept the Truth Reality, that it’s all Him. 

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On 11/7/2020 at 2:53 AM, Sikhilove said:

The gyan, the teachings are all in Gurbani. They’re not there to be read like a recipe over. They’re there to be applied in action, in simran ie remembrance.
 

If Guru Nanak, as the Great Teacher, Taught that He is Nirboah and Nirvair, why would we not remember/ accept/ apply that Truth, in humility, instead of ignoring it in procrastination and ego. To give our heads, we must accept that we are Nothing, in humility. Truth is so simple, we ourselves complicate it. 
 

He’s right there, staring you in the face. You just have to believe it. Being of a high avastha or whatever is of no consequence. When your lover is sitting right in front of you, why ignore them? 
 

Bandgi, doing good deeds etc is great, but the first step is to accept the Truth Reality, that it’s all Him. 

Waheguru ji, 

You are absolutely correct, I am not contradicting any thing you wrote nor m trying to argue. All I am saying is what I understand as per my experience. Being Nirbhau isn't easy. We all know Guru Nanak sahib told us that my waheguru ji has these amazing attributes. He's Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal moorat, KartaPurakh, ajoooni .... I would love to go on and on On this...  we all want to be like our supreme Dad of course. 

But it isn't easy. I have seen many abhiyaasis getting scared in their Abhyaas. I have felt a terror myself. Being Nirbhau is just isn't something you can do to yourself it's his grace- avastha that he himself imparts when and only when one Trust him- surrender to him completely. - hun Tu jaan Waheguru meri Dori haath tumhare. Tu farr mainu..  mai kujh nahi bass tu hi tu hai jo hai.. 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day😊😊

 

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3 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

Waheguru ji, 

You are absolutely correct, I am not contradicting any thing you wrote nor m trying to argue. All I am saying is what I understand as per my experience. Being Nirbhau isn't easy. We all know Guru Nanak sahib told us that my waheguru ji has these amazing attributes. He's Nirbhau, Nirvair, Akaal moorat, KartaPurakh, ajoooni .... I would love to go on and on On this...  we all want to be like our supreme Dad of course. 

But it isn't easy. I have seen many abhiyaasis getting scared in their Abhyaas. I have felt a terror myself. Being Nirbhau is just isn't something you can do to yourself it's his grace- avastha that he himself imparts when and only when one Trust him- surrender to him completely. - hun Tu jaan Waheguru meri Dori haath tumhare. Tu farr mainu..  mai kujh nahi bass tu hi tu hai jo hai.. 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day<img src="><img src=">. 

 

I understand what you mean. What I’ve learned is that the gyan is simple. It begins with accepting he’s all, and the fearlessness comes. It took me years and I still fall often. But it’s comforting to know it’s all just Him. 

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3 hours ago, Ragmaala said:

Have you had the practical experience yourself that he's all ?

What do you mean by accepting he's all ? Do you mean believing he's all or do you mean reaching a state of mind or avastha after bandgi/simran where you experience Sab Gobind hai...Gobind bin nahi koe..

Just trying to understand your perspective.  If I give my own example. Let's say I am encountered by a wild tiger in a jungle. I have not reached the avastha where I have seen Gobind in all. But let's say if  I start believing/accepting that Gobind  is in Tiger. Will my fearlessness go away ?

or do you mean to say that keep practicing the jugti of trying to see God in all  and maybe one day it will manifest practically when you see that Hes all.  

In my limited understanding, I could be definitely wrong, but one has to attain this stage of seeing God in all and everywhere, basically having Darshan everywhere (like Bhagat Namdev ji who saw God in fire, dog etc) after Simran, Sewa and Bandgi.  Its not something one can imagine or believe or accept. Its something that practically manifests in one's life. Thats just my understanding. Because mostly all teachers/mahapurush start a person from Bhagti of Waheguru mantra/Sargun Upashna before a sadhaka is able to see Gobind in all.  As the sadhaka advances, he knows that All is Gobind and Gobind is all. 

Good post Bro.

He is everywhere and everything, this is fine and there is no doubt about it, but at our present level we have not that avastha to say it convincingly. We are talking more like conceptuals than what it really is about.

And the fact is, He has created dualities, pair of opposites,  diversity, multiplicity, gyan agyan, truth-untruth, birth - death and so on .

And He wants us to discern and come out from all this paraphernalia, with the practical aid of Gurbani, and realize Him, not otherwise.

As I said in my post above, we all  know butter comes out from milk, but unless we apply a jugtee and bring out the butter from that milk, it would not be wise to say as butter is inthe milk, I will apply it on the toast and have, then this will only show our pettiness, for the slice bread will be drenched with milk, not butter for sure.

Or  as you said, He is everywhere and as He is good, so if I meet a tiger in the jungle, nothing will happen to me...what rubbish....looooollllll, that foolish person will be for sure a happy meal for the tiger... 😆😆😆😆😆

Please let us take care of what we say or express, and not just pour out our wild neurotical fancies, for with that attitude people can be drawn farther away from the Truth of Gurbani, except for a few who couragesly and politely see contacdictions and ask for clarifications.

Though, if the person by itself is confused and yet believes to be right, hardly can it add any clarity or light to the matter in question.

For god´s sake, He has given us some sense, let us make use of it, a bit though  if not much.

 

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22 hours ago, Mooorakh said:

 

@harsharan000 one n first positive response from you. Made my day<img src="><img src=">. 

 

Nothing so great about it Pen Jee, it was that much valuable for me. I mean, the post was simple yet meaningful, with kindness, and humility.

Keep up good spirits

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21 minutes ago, Jageera said:

Yes fearlessness would go away as dead mauled bodies have no fear in them🤣

Yeah so true.

ha ha ha ha haaaah.

Well said Bro.

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On 11/9/2020 at 4:05 PM, Sikhilove said:

I understand what you mean. What I’ve learned is that the gyan is simple. It begins with accepting he’s all, and the fearlessness comes. It took me years and I still fall often. But it’s comforting to know it’s all just Him. 

This is just a blanket statement unless you know otherwise. Gyan is not that simple and it's not about just accepting that he's all.

There are many members in this thread that discuss specific and validated practices. Other members try their best to answer questions as explicitly as possible or guide towards a specific source where available.  No offense, but blanket statements or vague quotes are not what readers from all over the world look for in this particular thread.

Believe me, there are some members  that can see the brahm-jyot in and all around them if they put their dhyian there. But that's just a preliminary stage towards ever seeing the waheguru in all like Bhai Kanhaiya did whilst attending and comforting both muslims and sikhs on the same battlefield.     To say that great gurmukhs like him felt that stage by "just accepting he's all", is an insult to their avasthas.

There is so much kamayee needed before one can get to that stage and that gurmukh's surti would be in turiya avastha at ALL times whilst he's astool (physical) dehi is in maya.    

 

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7 hours ago, Lucky said:

This is just a blanket statement unless you know otherwise. Gyan is not that simple and it's not about just accepting that he's all.

There are many members in this thread that discuss specific and validated practices. Other members try their best to answer questions as explicitly as possible or guide towards a specific source where availab.  No offense, but blanket statements or vague quotes is not what readers all over the world look at this thread for.

Believe me, there are some members  that can see the brahm-jyot in all around them when they put their dhyian there. But that's just a preliminary stage towards ever seeing the waheguru in all as Bhai Kanhaiya whilst attending and comforting both muslims and sikhs on the same battlefield.     To say that great gurmukhs like him felt that stage by "just accepting he's all", is an insult to their avasthas.

There is so much kamayee needed before one can get to that stage and that gurmukhs surti would be in turiya avastha at ALL times whilst he's astool (physical) dehi is in maya.    

 

well said...its the kamayee that matters not acquired gyan through reading etc. 

 

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On 11/10/2020 at 10:28 PM, Lucky said:

This is just a blanket statement unless you know otherwise. Gyan is not that simple and it's not about just accepting that he's all.

There are many members in this thread that discuss specific and validated practices. Other members try their best to answer questions as explicitly as possible or guide towards a specific source where available.  No offense, but blanket statements or vague quotes are not what readers from all over the world look for in this particular thread.

Believe me, there are some members  that can see the brahm-jyot in and all around them if they put their dhyian there. But that's just a preliminary stage towards ever seeing the waheguru in all like Bhai Kanhaiya did whilst attending and comforting both muslims and sikhs on the same battlefield.     To say that great gurmukhs like him felt that stage by "just accepting he's all", is an insult to their avasthas.

There is so much kamayee needed before one can get to that stage and that gurmukh's surti would be in turiya avastha at ALL times whilst he's astool (physical) dehi is in maya.    

 

With regards to the tiger, either defend yourself (if possible as Guru Gobind Ji did), run or get eaten. Humans still need to accept hukam and karam. The Gurus accepted shaheedi, Some in awful ways, but we accept nevertheless. They realised it was just God, and accepted.

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On 9/18/2013 at 4:13 PM, Sat1176 said:

Speaking of attachment to maya I'll share a short incident that made me laugh and on the other hand really made me wonder what people really wish for in life.

 

My wife and I went out for the day to Canterbury where they have a famous cathedral. We both went in looking at the grandeur of the building. I have to admit churches have the most eeriest feelings and smell that bring a sense of death the moment you enter them. Especially the more older ones. Inside they had this table where people write their prayers on post it notes and leave them and at a given time the priest collects them all and puts them on some alter/pillar which must carry some religious significance for them. So I started to read some of these prayers and most were asking for something but along the lines off: Dear God, show me the right path for I am terribly lost. Please fix so and so problem. Please take me into your sanctuary etc.

 

My wife picks up a post it note and starts to write. At first I'm really annoyed she did it then even more annoyed when I read what her prayer actually was.

 

Dear God, Can I please win the 20 million lottery tomorrow. Signed XYZ

 

I rubbed my hand on my forehead and said, "You can't be serious, O tera bhalla hovey!!!!"

@Sat1176 do you live in Kent? I could not imagine people like you are here.  

 

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2 hours ago, Sat1176 said:

Lol, oh my that is an oooold post. No ji I live in Barking, East London.

What you mean people like me?

We live in medway.  I noticed just few local sangat people who visit gurudwara sahib for their love for gurbani or Waheguru, rest seems like just attending for their friends, regular attendance,  langar or managing chores in kitchen or office etc. May be i am looking down on others! Sometimes we don't know the other person's spiritual state unless we talk to them.  I am glad i am on this forum as feel like i have company now to appreciate The Great Waheguru. 

Like you means gurmukh naam abhyaasi.

I met a simple looking village girl during my secondary schooling in India, and that girl sowed the waheguru loving seed in my heart.  It is by the blessing of Waheguru when you meet bhagats. 

 

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1) During sleep as per Gurmukhs, Mann leaves the body? Is there any Gurbani line which indicates that?

2 )Lets suppose Mann leaves the body during sleep then why it does not remember full detail of dream when we wake up in the morning? Science says its our brain which takes dreams. Gurmukhs say its Mann.

3) Why Mann is not aware when it leaves the body? 

 

Bande Khoj Dil Har Roj so lets do some Khoj

 

 

 

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